Survivor: Expect the Unexpected - {BEGUN}


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Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:26 am

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The game has concluded! With a vote of 6-3, R.C. has defeated Kat in the final 2 and has been crowned the winner!

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Cao Boi (DeathNote)
- 22nd place

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Arlie (animorpherv1)
- 21st place

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Jonny Fairplay (Cheery Dog)
- 20th place

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Jenn (Cybele)
- 19th place

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Rachel (Princess Toady)
- 18th place

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Hayden (T-Bone)
- 17th place

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Jay (Axxle)
- 16th place

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Spencer (Narninian)
- 15th place

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Derrick (Aeronaut)
- 14th place

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Zingbot (Klick)
- 13th place

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Nicole (Mist7676)
- 12th place

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Keith (D3f3nd3r)
- 11th place

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Sindy (CuddlyCaucasian)
- 10th place

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Jordan (TheBreeze)
- 9th place

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J'Tia (ForWhomTheJellyRolls)
- 8th place

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Elissa (Drench)
- 7th place

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Joe (Aronis)
- 6th place

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Jenna (elusive)
- 5th place

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Zach (Blackberry)
- 4th place

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Jessie (Save The Dragons)
- 3rd place

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Kat (Brian Skies)
- Runner-Up

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R.C. (BipolarChemist)
- Winner
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Post Post #4 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:32 am

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Spoiler: Voting Chart
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Post Post #9 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:46 pm

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There was a trivia-esque challenge for the Veto challenge at the Final 15. Spencer won the challenge, but a couple players were suspicious of some of the answers. Monty and I (especially Monty) investigated a lot and found out that it was basically impossible for both of them to get the answers they gave by sheer guessing, and not by using outside sources. We asked Spencer and Derrick if they used outside sources, in case it was a mistake in reading the rules. Spencer denied it at first, or at least withheld information to some extent, while Derrick didn't respond to Monty's post, although we saw him online reading his confessional at least once during that time period.

It was definitely a tough call. I think it's likely that in both of their cases, it was just an honest mistake, and that if they confessed to it, we wouldn't have modkilled them; we would have just reversed the challenge results and let the game continue. (They both were honest with us after their elimination.) Derrick's case was an especially difficult call, but we didn't think it would be fair to punish Spencer but not Derrick, and the current eviction did have to be cancelled. Zingbot would have been evicted, although he was only on the block because Spencer illegitimately won the Veto challenge.

Coming from someone who's had his own rules violations in the past, I don't hold anything against either of them. I feel like we made the call that we had to made, but I'd still have no issues with casting them in another game.

Spencer can be considered to be 15th place because he would have most likely been evicted that round if not for his Veto win, while Derrick was safe.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:52 pm

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CuddlyCaucasian wrote:The only real thing that bothers me about it is that everyone was referring to RC's best move as her getting Zingbot voted out, even though that didn't actually happen and shouldn't have even happened because of the cheating (whether it was intentional or not). I just wish the decision to modkill those two would have been made sooner, because instead, a very important vote happened that we basically knew the results of, but the vote never should have happened in the first place.


Yeah, that was unfortunate, although at the time there wasn't a way around it. We wanted Spencer and Derrick to confess without knowing about any risk of modkill, and we wanted to give Derrick at least 24 hours to reply to us. Also, it wasn't readily apparent to me that outside sources were used. I was pretty naive about the whole deal; Monty did an exceptional amount of sleuthing work and was able to trace basically every answer that was Googleable to a Google result. We also took the time to contact a couple independent sources before we made a huge decision. Ideally, the whole situation would have been resolved immediately, and Jessie's replacement nominee of Zingbot would have never been revealed. It was unfortunate that the situation affected the game at all. Even though Zingbot left the next round, anyway, having that vote at F15 really drew the line in the sand and stuck the Casaya members on the wrong side of it.

That was really when the game started going downhill for me. After modding Season Finale, I never wanted another game that would be seen as "predictable," although fortunately, I feel like this game was at least slightly more interesting. The game actually began in a huge way, especially on Casaya and Timbira - look at who the first two boots are! I think some of that was the format, which worked wonderfully in the pre-merge, while a lot of it was just due to a strong and active group of players. There really were no obvious choices to eliminate, which forced everyone to start playing.

After the fake merge, though, for some reason or another, there was really nobody that was willing or trying to work with Nicole, Keith, Sindy, or Elissa. I can't explain how that happened, although being divided into tribes right after an important vote probably didn't help matters. Eventually, the trio of RC, Kat, and Jessie were just dominating. I give credit to Joe and J'Tia for noticing the power structure and trying to go against their majority, although it unfortunately wasn't quite enough. That said, I can't blame anything on any of the players; I can only ask that everyone tries to play in their own best interest, and for the most part, I believe everybody did that. I believe RC, Kat, and Jessie played very well, and any one of them could have taken the title in the end. (I was rooting for Kat, although I believe that whoever ends up winning automatically earns their victory.)

So thanks, everyone! You were an extremely delightful group of players, with what felt like a record low amount of complaints against us, despite us not being perfect, and the game not being perfect. I certainly had fun modding this the whole way through. :) Monty was an amazing co-mod; he wrote every single challenge post except maybe one or two. He helped immensely with everything, and we never had an argument about anything, which I can't say regarding my previous modding adventures. I certainly couldn't have done this without him!
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Post Post #13 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:00 pm

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Narninian, you were one of my favorites to watch. I also found it very difficult to keep up with non-game related talk. But it seemed like you improved a lot from your game as Heisenburg, although you being HoH right away may have forced people to actually work with you instead of writing you off.

Perhaps games with more complex mechanics are actually more newbie-friendly. A fairly standard game like NAH has 5/6 newbies leave right at the beginning, but here, the real strategy started sooner, and so we have a bunch of good social players getting knocked off right from the start.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:46 pm

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I will agree that post-merge, the game wasn't Survivor at all. The game overall was a lot more "Big Brother" than Survivor, so I suppose we may have put Survivor in the title for a little bit of marketing potential.

I do disagree that the mechanic would naturally lead to a disappointing post-merge, though. While it is true that Jessie, RC, and Kat were able to just toss the HoH back and forth, they were able to do that because they held a majority with the other players the entire time. They kept the majority, so they stayed in power. That's true of absolutely any game. One of the power players was always in danger, so all it took was for enough of the other players to step up and make a move.

In terms of twists to "shake up" the game, I think the format with the Power of Veto still had a bunch of potential. Joe was saving Elissa at F7, and Zach was using the Double PoV that round. Both Zach AND Jenna were saving Joe at F6. Things could have happened, but what happened is that the "wrong" people kept winning the Veto challenges.

At a certain point, I don't know what to do. I don't want to have twists that screw with the dignity of the game. I want players to be eliminated because of other players, not because of any twists. I want everyone to be able to have a general feel of what the game is, and what they can expect, despite this game being titled "Expect the Unexpected." We could have had a round where the HoH nominates 3 people and 2 of them are eliminated... but, why? Having a twist for the sake of a twist doesn't really help anything, does it? I feel like a good twist should inspire and encourage the players to make moves, but I don't believe it's the mods' job to trick the players into making something happen.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:51 pm

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I will admit that the 15-player merge was a mistake, though. It's a shame; before now, I rather liked that twist, and it was used in Sky Pillar, Mass Effect, and the original Arkham without any huge issues that I saw.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:00 pm

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I feel like the Survivor format and the Big Brother format each have their own weaknesses, which were represented by the original tribe names - Pagong and Exterminators. On Survivor, a majority alliance very often just sticks together and wipes out the opposing alliance/tribe. On Big Brother, I feel like the format is too unpredictable to encourage bold gameplay. Big players are voted out when the other side wins HoH, and the players that succeed are often the UTR types that are looked over for most of the game.

This game was ideallized in my head as some sort of balance. The majority CAN keep control, but it's harder to do so. It's harder to keep a majority when the HoH and one of the nominees can't vote, and a Power of Veto challenge has more potential for screwing up plans than a regular immunity challenge.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:17 pm

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I guess the question is... if the post-merge was just regular Survivor, would the same thing have happened? I think it probably would have been pretty much the same, although I guess that's why there's idols and other items.

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