Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[zakk]

Haha singersigner. I regret nothing!

I'm town this game though

VOTE: AxleGreaser. Obv scum. Serious vote.

[zakk]

Why don't *you* tell *me* more about how my conclusion is wrong?

Or is it right?

[zakk]

Okay, I'm satisfied.

VOTE: Malakittens because Obv Scum.

[zakk]

It's okay you don't have to think I'm town

As long is I think you're town, we're good, haha

PSA: also I know some people quite enjoy RVS.
So when people turn up feel free to just ignore us and get on with erudite RVS votes as per normal.
Well still be here when your done, but do remember its a 10 day cycle so dont dawdle.

And thus post is really town sounding, as was 14 for that matter

[zakk]

VOTE: singer

Do tell

[zakk]

VOTE: singer

Do tell

[zakk]

Nothing to tell? Do tell

[zakk]

Okay smart aleck. Explain the singer vote

[zakk]

Why singer over mala?

[zakk]

Axle is pretty town, just saying

Mala is prob scum

[zakk]

I disagree with zakk regarding axle. I dont think malas posted enough to be sure, but I cant argue against his scumread on her.

Veegee might be town.

Way to waffle on your scumbuddy bro

Nice job. I'll be watching ur scummy self

[zakk]

Hi BBT <3

[zakk]

Hey zakk what are these 'wonderful' reasons why you are scum reading me??

Because you drew scum.

Your move.

[zakk]

I am loving this game already. Efficient moderator page tops, A tier flavor and manageable(?) activity level? I like.

<3

Okay, seriously Sonic start scum hunting or die.

(although, i'm weakly townreading you)

Using colloquialisms like "okay seriously" to absolutely zero effect other than padding ... Check.
Qualifying the statement with a tempering remark immediately after being abrasive... Check.
Putting the onus on someone else to do work, lest they look scummy or even die... Check.

Mala is scum.

Holy cheese balls

Mala is scum.

VOTE: Mala

[zakk]

*insert waffle on mala here because I chose to waffle instead of whiteknight the fuck out of her which I would not get any flak for at all because I'm me*

I'm not sure how I feel about that sonic quote. On the one hand, he's constantly one of the people making the game unmanagable, so the hypocrisy bugs me, but he isn't trying to make it unmanagable here but on the same note, scum-sonic would know by now if he did that shit singer and I would run him into the ground.

"I would actually do this as scum, therefore you're wrong"

> scum logic

[zakk]

*insert waffle on mala here because I chose to waffle instead of whiteknight the fuck out of her which I would not get any flak for at all because I'm me*

I'm not sure how I feel about

that sonic quote. On the one hand, he's constantly one of the people making the game unmanagable, so the hypocrisy bugs me, but he isn't trying to make it unmanagable here but on the same note, scum-sonic would know by now if he did that shit singer and I would run him into the ground.

>scum weasel words

trying to make someone else look scummy

[zakk]

<

Warning does contain a vote unvote FOS, and may contain Nuts

>

Spoiler: alternate Axleised VoteCount

VOTECOUNT 1.01

• (2+1)

  Malakittens

  — zakk, notscience, Axle(FOS)
  
  
  (0)

  ika

  —
  
  
  (1)

  Metal Sonic

  — Malakittens
  
  
  (0)

  shaddowez

  —
  
  
  (0)

  AxleGreaser

  —
  
  
  (0)

  BlueBloodedToffee

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Shiro

  —
  
  
  (1)

  Ciara24

  — Shiro
  
  
  (1)

  notscience

  — Nosferatu
  
  
  (1)

  zakk

  — Ciara24
  
  
  (1)

  Nosferatu

  — singersigner
  
  
  (1)

  VeeGee

  — Metal Sonic
  
  
  (1)

  singersigner

  — VeeGee
  
  
  
  (2)

  (NOT VOTING)

  —
  shaddowez, BlueBloodedToffee
  
  (1)

  (FOSING)

  —
  Axle
  
  (1)

  (NOT HAMMERING)

  —
  Ika
  
  With
  13

  alive
  , it takes
  7

  votes
  to lynch.
  

##unFOS MalaKittens

<< that was going to be down graded to IGMEOY, but nah.

Your move.

Ok.
VOTE: Zakk
UNVOTE: Zakk

##FOS Zakk

I can write a wall but I will leave that for now. << explicit claim.

Spoiler: VCA Data

Axles VCA Data
Key R=>Random / number => post / S = Serious /

unvoted

/ N = Naked (or effectively so)

Zakk:

SingerSinger(R/6)

(70), Ciara(R/28)
MalaKittens: Axle(FOS/7), Zakk(SN/13), NotScience(SR/48),

MetalSonic(R/56)

(R57)
AxleGreaser:

Zakk(S/8)

13)
NotScience: Nosferatu(R?/30),

VeeGee(N/31)

45,

MetalSonic(R/35)

(R56)
Singer:

NotScience(R/16)

(S48)

MalaKittens(N?/32

(SR59)) VeeGee(R/45)
Ciara24: Shiro(R/34)
VeeGee: MetalSonic(R/57)
MetalSonic: MalaKittens(SNR59) << yeah its kinda, to me, all three at once.
Nosferatu: SingerSinger(SN/70)

Upta POST 70 << should match the Frog VC, or I made an oopsie

Zakk:

SingerSinger(R/6)

(70), Ciara(R/28), Axle(S83)
MalaKittens:

Axle(FOS/7)

(83), Zakk(SN/13), NotScience(SR/48),

MetalSonic(R/56)

(R57)
AxleGreaser:

Zakk(S/8)

13)
NotScience: Nosferatu(R?/30),

VeeGee(N/31)

45,

MetalSonic(R/35)

(R56)
Singer:

NotScience(R/16)

(S48)

MalaKittens(N?/32

(SR59)) VeeGee(R/45)
Ciara24: Shiro(R/34)
VeeGee: MetalSonic(R/57)
MetalSonic: MalaKittens(SNR59) << yeah its kinda, to me, all three at once.
Nosferatu: SingerSinger(SN/70)

Upta Pussies Bow 83
(warming I <3 GEB... but maybe pussies bow wont work)

Fly my pretties

iioa yawn

make something happen with this info Axle otherwise it's wasted effort that means nothing to anyone else

i.e. scummy

[zakk]

Page 4 and it

looks like we're still in RVS

....In that case

VOTE: Ciara

X

Semi-serious vote, actually. Does her RVS votes, but then has a fluff post in 38 and doesn't engage with any of the other players that have been posting.

So it's a random vote, but it's a semi-serious vote?

Do tell.

[zakk]

Hey guys, will be catching up later today.

Customary 'Mala is scum' read.

Hi Zakk!

Don't make it customary, make it real.

And yes, let's rule this game.

[zakk]

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

What kind of terrible feeling is he giving you ? Cause it appears we are getting totally different feeling about him.

Hey Mala you never really answered my question.

scum tend to not answer questions

so

[zakk]

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

Mala, surprise surprise, we disagree. Talk to me about this.

If you disagree with Mala, and think he is town, then you agree with me.

Why do you not like that I discovered this, and changed my mind?

[zakk]

He feels pretty legitimate to me.

Dislike this post. Very 'go with the flow' and 'look at me providing some reads'.

I disagree with zakk regarding axle.

Veegee might be town.

Thoughts on Axle?

What makes you think VeeGee is town?

Like these two comments a lot though.

[zakk]

I should add that I have started missing Axle's posts and would probably PL him. His posting is hard to read and I don't like the fact he doesn't place his vote and instead replaces it with a FOS.

Same, but I'm also thinking of Yukari from last game we had together (who was town).

[zakk]

You scum read her before that though.

What were your reasons then?

Before that? This

ZzzZzzzzZZZZZzzz

VOTE: Singer.

"i dont care

look at me not caring everyone"

no thanks

i don't want to be obv town so soon~

"im so good

look how town i am everyone"

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

"let me pick on the obvious shiny mislynch bait

obvious shiny mislynch bait is obvious

but

here i go

nobody will noticeeee"

[zakk]

malakittens is scum rabble rabble rabble

[zakk]

If you disagree with Mala, and think he is town, then you agree with me.

Why do you not like that I discovered this, and changed my mind?

It's the way you did it - it didn't feel genuine on page 1. Like, you had no reason to move votes as far as I am concerned as Axle had done nothing alignment indicative by the time you switched to Mala.

I read people very well on D1 *shrug*

[zakk]

singer you've seen me as scum.

now bask in awe at the wonder that is me as town.

you're welcome. <3

[zakk]

Ciara when you get back, we have 3 hours to break this game.

Given only what we know.




are you ready

[zakk]

Zakk, this is an invitation to calm down the posting.

That's the carrot.

You don't want the stick.

You're hilarious. No, I don't particularly think I want the stick, but I also don't think you're holding the stick

This is YOUR invitation to stop pretending you wield more influence than you do, which from what I can see is relatively average.

In the meantime, the entire spectrum of pissing contests I've seen on the internet have all failed to impress me, so you can also feel free to drop the bravado and stop trying to control how other people play.

Unless of course, you're scared of me. In which case, by all means, please continue trying to control how I play.

[zakk]

Well I have no time or desire to argue, notsci, but I'm content posting less for a while if that makes the game more fun for everyone.

Lol at you voting me, Mala. You can't possibly think I'm scum, and playing like this. Your vote is OMGUS, clear as day.

Looking forward to everyone else's comments.

[zakk]

Page 4 and it

looks like we're still in RVS

....In that case

VOTE: Ciara

X

Semi-serious vote, actually. Does her RVS votes, but then has a fluff post in 38 and doesn't engage with any of the other players that have been posting.

So it's a random vote, but it's a semi-serious vote?

Do tell.

There wasn't much going on, so I commented it looked like it was still RVS. Made my vote, which wasn't actually a random vote, and since I had made the comment about RVS made sure to clarify. Part of the point was to also generate some discussion, which other than your post it didn't, so that failed.

So tell me, if Mala, Axle, and Notty are all scum, who's town?

Well, that makes Axle and you, for two.

Workin' on the rest.

[zakk]

I have suspicion that scum stood back near the start of the game.

Why.
Either Zak is town or scum. (cant be 3rd party due to OP

10

/

3

)
If hes scum then that looks like a train wreck, and so scum buddies may feel the need to stand back to see how bad its going to be before they commit one way or another.
If hes town, then from my POV, I know i am town, so i know scum is in that case scum seeing a TvT train wreck, so while not as strong they will also stand back and let it burn.

Scum were, probably, hiding in the bleechers.

This is why I think Axle is town. Scum don't really talk about things like this.

Ciara is so meh with whats hes posted, but was not in the bleechers.
Nosferatu posted that weird thing i think singer is voting him over (+ unspecified) but wasn't in the bleechers.
Veege yuck, but kinda not in the bleechers.
Mala, thats harder
Then comes Shiro and Metal
and while Singer is dragging up the rear, Singer brought content.

So yeah with some trick logic up front we can even do VCA without a flip.
and as i said the purpose/intent of the VCA post was to undo what I had done by FOSing.

Not sure how much I agree with the rest of this, but the first part is definitely town.

[zakk]

notty get the fucking rvs vote off or push me, either or, whichever your little heart desires.

Nah.

Mala do you think this response is pro-town? (Hint: it's not)

Do you think this response, given your knowledge of him as a player, makes notscience more likely to be town or scum?

Thanks.

[zakk]

In post 146, AxleGreaser wrote:
I have suspicion that scum stood back near the start of the game.

Why.
Either Zak is town or scum. (cant be 3rd party due to OP 10/3)
If hes scum then that looks like a train wreck, and so scum buddies may feel the need to stand back to see how bad its going to be before they commit one way or another.
If hes town, then from my POV, I know i am town, so i know scum is in that case scum seeing a TvT train wreck, so while not as strong they will also stand back and let it burn.

Scum were, probably, hiding in the bleechers.


This is why I think Axle is town. Scum don't really talk about things like this.

this means jack. It was an open numbered setup from the beginning.

That has nothing to do with his train of thought being town here.

Let me quote the relevant bit more specifically:

If hes scum then that looks like a train wreck, and so scum buddies may feel the need to stand back to see how bad its going to be before they commit one way or another.

[zakk]

VOTE: singer

how dare you vote queen singer

VOTE: notty chainsaw attack!

ZzzZzzzzZZZZZzzz

VOTE: Singer.

how dare you vote queen singer!

VOTE: mala chainsaw attack!

VOTE: Singer


I hate tomatos

how dare you vote queen singer!

VOTE: veegee chainsaw attack!

Why was none of this present in Genesis Mafia?

Singer was also in that game.

Also, why are you being relatively useless?

You weren't being useless in that game.

I'd like to win.
And I'm town this time, so, I need to actually do stuff.
I'd prefer if you would actually do stuff too.
This game has short deadlines. There's only 6 days left.

Thanks,
zakk

[zakk]

@Fro9mod: Requesting a replacement for Ciara24, and if necessary a deadline extension of five days after the replacement is found, so the replacement can catch up and be active/involved with the game.

(Ciara has posted fluff 4 times, then promised content without delivering, then declared a V/LA from tomorrow until a week from tomorrow, even though the deadline is before that)

Sorry, I don't like when anyone coasts through Day 1 that easily.

[zakk]

Anyone wanna vote VeeGee?

I'm getting a not-particularly-good-at-internet-or-mafia vibe, and this doesn't necessarily mean town, but it does mean I'm not interested in voting for VeeGee today.

[zakk]

okay guys. i re-read the thread and went through everything meticulously.

Shiro is town.
AxleGreaser is town.
notscience is scum.
Metal Sonic is scum.
BlueBloodedToffee is town.
singersigner is town.

Lynch accordingly.

[zakk]

Vote: notscience

[zakk]

I'm not sure on you, yet. You've gone back to a "I'm not sure enough to blatantly push your lynch" type of read.

Why do you care though? Vote notscience and sheep me to victory.

[zakk]

Nosferatu is also someone I'd be very happy to lynch after notscience is dead.

singersigner, let's talk.

[zakk]

Ehhhh. I disagree. but w/e it's neither here nor there at the moment.

And I hadn't seen your post #173 yet, Mala. Good conclusion re:me, but re:notscience-scum, I don't think you can read notscience-scum nearly as well as notscience-scum can read you.

And I know you don't really know who I am yet (don't worry, you will, lol) but if you're town, gimme a chance, k? haha

[zakk]

Okay, Malakittens, what do you think of:

- notscience's #20 being immediately unhelpful right off the bat? (that's anti-town, by the way)

- notscience's #23 saying he doesn't want to go into stupid discussions that do nothing but clutter the thread, when in actuality this same post does nothing but clutter the thread? (that's anti-town, by the way)

- notscience's #23 saying "if you want to ask me a question about the game thus far, you can do so" but when I asked him a question before, he gave me a non-response? That's completely hypocritical, no matter which way you try to spin it.

- notscience's #25 saying "I'm telling you how it's going to be", which not only reeks of small-penis syndrome but also sets up a precedent for trying to control how others interact (which is scummy, by the way).

- notscience's #27 giving self-meta "I vote mala a fair amount, and she's probably going to RVS me, so.", at the same time as contributing nothing of worthwhile value to the thread.

- notscience's #48 saying "singer is likely town" (with no reasoning), and voting you, as if merely the presence of his vote on singer was able to help him ascertain her alignment, even though he had ZERO interactions with her during that entire time. This reeks of setting himself up to park his vote places until he decides they're town (with no reasoning), instead of voting for people he thinks is scum (which is scummy, by the way).

- notscience's #73 disagreeing that Axle is town, yet doesn't vote him. His vote is parked on mala, and it's remained there for the last three days, even when in post #82 he says he's "choosing to waffle instead of white-knight" you. Why would he be voting someone he'd otherwise be white-knighting? Especially when in #73 he says he "cant argue against scumread on Mala". This makes absolutely no sense.

- notscience's #82 being very self-aware, in the vein of "I am publicly claiming that I'm intentionally doing these anti-town things, because I'm me, and you're all just going to have to deal with it" (that's anti-town at best, by the way. again, it sets up the precedent to allow him to do scummy things while saying "but I always do scummy things, you can't vote me just for *that* little thing. which is scummy, by the way)

- notscience's #82 saying "I'm not sure how I feel about that sonic quote" and then proceeds to throw shade on sonic, without actually calling him scummy, just hypocritical (hint: that's what scum do), and then being hypocritical himself (by saying that sonic is making the game unmanageable, when he's doing the same), and also just scumplaining about irrelevant things like "making the game unmanageable" when really we should be scumhunting, not complaining that the game isn't exactly as we wish it were. news flash, we'll never get what we want, we just have to work with it. but scum likes to complain about irrelevant things, so that they don't have to address real (i.e. alignment-related) issues. and that's what notscience is doing here (which is scummy, by the way)... lol, I hope you're seeing a pattern here...

- notscience's #110 feels like he's trying to force someone to take a stance on him. a pro-town thing is to force others to take stances on OTHERS... this polarizes opinions instead of muddying them. this is good. however, scum wants people to take stances on oneSELF (i.e. like you, Mala, did to ME, in both posts #78 and #183, where you want to know why I think you're scum, and then ask my opinion of you). This is a pretty basic scum-tell, and cognizance of such goes hand-in-hand with reading the game through the lens of scum-mindset vs. town-mindset. it's pretty easy to spot, if you know what you're looking for. which I do.

- notscience's #115 being more concerned about regulating others' behavior than finding scum.

- notscience's #115 using "it's just gut" as a reason for thinking someone's town.

- notscience's #115 using filler like "it's nothing that will stop the presses, but for the time being" which is something scum do when trying to pad out their posts to make them longer (EVEN though he's been quite vocal at this point about wanting to cut down on "unmanageable"-ness in the game thread)

- notscience's #119 being more concerned with making a connection with singer, than with being transparent and useful about his intentions. It's also pretty cryptic, which is the "hey let's share a secret" factor. Bonus: This interaction also only makes sense if notscience KNOWS singer is town, 100%, than with any other case of alignments (both town, or SS-scum/NS-town). Please tell me you're noticing these things, before you call notscience town.

- notscience's #129 and #132 being nothing but trying to control someone else's interactions with the game through threats. It's fairly obvious by now that notscience either has an EXTREME napoleon complex (my definition being the same as wikipedia: "characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, and carries the implication that such behaviour is compensatory"), or, far more simply, is scum and is trying to throw his weight around to make sure things happen like he wants, while at the same time, patting townies who are his site-friends on the back and trying to use them to accomplish his ends.

- notscience's #135 and #142 asking Axle questions about being ESL and about VCA. In other words, things that are pretty irrelevant to the game and give notscience something to talk about which is, again, alignment-unindicative.

- notscience's #148 distancing from "things I do as scum" (another relatively basic scum tell, which anyone here should spot easily enough).

- notscience's #158 being another example of the napoleon complex present, whether it's real or simply a tool used to accomplish more nefarious ends. I mean... "MS do I need to warn you too?" lolwut, he's not the moderator, you get zero credit for wearing the biggest pair of pants. you get credit for having something worth wearing big pants FOR, which clearly he does not. therefore any such threats are useless.

- notscience's #160 devolving the game to the point of baiting, joking around instead of scumhunting. (in other words, filling up the thread with yet more posts which have nothing to do with the alignments of the players therein. obligatory: by the way,... etc.)


Mala, you think you know notscience so well? Good.

I'm highly interested to know your opinions of these things. Thanks.

[zakk]

Ciara24 is being replaced, I cannot accept a week long V/LA when this game was openly advertised as 10 day deadline

ika will have until 2:00pm USA East Coast time on August 19th (tomorrow, 5 full days after the game started...=1/2 of a day phase) to post, or he will be replaced

As a note for the rest of the game, any V/LA that lasts longer than 120 hours (=5 real life days, =exactly half of a day phase), will now be replaced. I will add this to the rules in post #1, and keep this in mind for any future games I mod with shorter than 2 week deadlines.

if necessary a deadline extension of five days after the replacement is found

Deadline extension is not necessary. There is still plenty of time left in the day phase, and I have a replacement list going that I can pull from pretty quickly.

all glory to the hypnofrog

[zakk]

Singer, feel free to pipe up WRT that post too (#193).

[zakk]

I am willing to digress on notscience for today.

Okay singer, so if I'm town, you're town, notscience is town, Shiro is town, and Axle is town, who's that leave?

BlueBloodedToffee (Dizzle)
Scorpious (Ciara24)
Malakittens
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
VeeGee

I already know what you think of Nosferatu/replacement(?) so let's focus on the six in the middle.

notscience, feel free to chip in as well.

[zakk]

QUICK LYNCH HIM BEFORE FROG GETS A REPLACEMENT.

I'm down.

Vote: Nosferatu

[zakk]

VOTE: Shiro

Let's do this.

Lol no, Shiro is town.

[zakk]

Hey zakk don't dodge my question. How do you think Notty can read me better than ican read him? You have no experience with me. From your post you are claiming to be an alt or someone who's read a ton of games. Do you know what Notty is to me outside of mafia?

This is a serious post id like answered including my other. Then maybe I'll answer that ISO PBPA

I'm claiming that scum "reads" town better than town reads scum.

That should go without saying, and doesn't rely at all on how much experience I have with you.

No I don't know what Notty is to you. I'm assuming some romantic interest? Personally, I think I'd be more able to fool my significant other than most others (and vice versa). Love is blind, as they say. YMMV obv


VeeGee have you read #193?


Changed my mind about Nosferatu.

Unvote

[zakk]

VOTE: Shiro

Let's do this.

Lol no, Shiro is town.

Zakk why do you seem so certain about me ? It kind of gives me an odd feeling

Post 34 where you're looking for a reason not to vote someone who's acting in a way you could easily jump on a wagon and be absolved of all responsibility because "hey it looked good at the time"

And post 37 because of the follow up with AxleGreaser telling him that he had the right game, but he had the wrong feeling. Don't ask me why about that one, it's just gut.

So, you're town, right?

Please be town.

[zakk]

That replace out is null.

The replace out is null but the play before it wasn't.

Personally I would be glad for a replacement in that slot, and I don't think it's necessarily scum, just pretty easy-scum.

I tend to want to go for hard-scum. Idk, kind of difficult to explain. But I would feel okay leaving Nosferatu alive today.

[zakk]

And why is it when people mention school it's always AP or honors classes. Nobody ever says. I got a lot of Votech work to do to complete my G.E.D?

Because everyone who makes a good excuse is trying to impress people with How Very Much More Important their other stuff is than the game.

"Hi guys, I'm feeling lazy, I'm gonna go"

probably wouldn't go over as well as

"BRB just realized my house is on fire"

[zakk]

BBT-looks like clueless town

have you played with (read) BBT before?
I am pretty sure i haven't, but i read several games.
For BBT to limbo under Clueless town bar, you have to have set the clue bar pretty high and lots of people (majority?) are going to be clueless.

Totally agreed. BBT is far from clueless.

Maxwell Puckett replaces Nosferatu

Welcome, Maxwell Puckett

@Axle:

I'm sorry for being unhelpful before. I'll try to change that.

Zakk your stuff will have to wait because I'm in a ~mood~ thanks to someone on site and two recent, finished games.

If they're finished, link them and tell me why they put you in a ~mood~

Also, when you do get around to answering, gimme a play-by-play of your exact reads on VeeGee and Metal Sonic and shaddowez.

Thankssss

[zakk]

@Fro99er: As long as we're going for replacements left and right, can we replace ika too?

That slot is a black hole.

[zakk]

Spoiler: Oh, my bad

[zakk]

Singer do you think all of notscience's behavior can be seen as town and I'm just seeing it wrong?

Or do you think he's horribly scummy other than the fact that you have meta on him being like this as town?

And if that's so, what happened to the whole "trying to increase meta for the better" thing? A great many of the things he's done are objectively scummy.

Personally I'd love to see him eat rope.

[zakk]

zakk, can you point to what is objectively scummy about notscience's posts?

Have you read my posts? Orrrr

[zakk]

ika you better be town and you better be good at mafia

no pressure

[zakk]

You missed ika.

I think Metal Sonic's town.

Haven't heard enough from the rest.

Why is metal sonic town?

I guess we shouldn't do a lynch before sufficient information from the day, though. I'm still unsure on half the game. I just get really excited when I'm onto something!

Same.

And why do you think not science is town, besides "meta"

[zakk]

For pete's sake guys, I'm town and AxleGreaser is probably town too. AG I can't really explain why I think you're town other than your posting style seems very earnest and I think it'd be hard to fake that coming from scum. I also don't have any experience

Maxwell you're replacing Nosferatu so you've got a lot to answer for (and there are a decent number of people willing to lynch your slot) so you better be on your toes.

So I am at:

Town

:

zakk/satsujin

Superprobtown

:

AxleGreaser

Probtown

:

Shiro
singersigner

Idk. tbqh I need to reread

:

shaddowez

I don't think is town but enough others do that it's not getting lynched today

:

notscience

Lame-ducking compared to the level of play I expect from them

:

BlueBloodedToffee/Dizzle
Metal Sonic
Malakittens
Scorpious/Ciara24

Really weird / seems like they're trying to "right the ship" after Nosferatu rocked the boat

:

MaxwellPuckett/Nosferatu

Seem a little too friendly and a little too useless

:

VeeGee

Who?

ika


And then here's who I want to lynch, in order, in a vacuum where nobody else's opinions count for anything, ranging from a scale of "I would dayvig this very second" to "never in a million years unless the world ran out of ice cream, and, well, people too" due to varying reasons from "you're scum" and "you're useless"and "i can't read you" all the way to "i can't see you as scum" and "you're pretty obvtown" and "hey i like you":

(tl;dr: top is for death, bottom is never lynch)

notscience
Metal Sonic
MaxwellPuckett/Nosferatu
Malakittens
ika
VeeGee
Scorpious/Ciara24
BlueBloodedToffee/Dizzle
shaddowez
singersigner
Shiro
AxleGreaser
zakk/satsujin


This shall be my list we'll burn through.

If I die night 1, let's see this thing emblazoned on the hearts of everyone true to mafiascum and to townies everywhere.

zakk, out.

[zakk]

VOTE: Malakittens

[zakk]

Zakk, Do you have intentions of joining the max wagon? He

is

higher on your to-lynch list than Mala..

in fact,Mala is #4.. I doubt there are 4 scum.. Why vote her over your top 3?

Reactions obv

[zakk]

Caught up - willing to lynch VeeGee, Zakk and Scorpious.

Bro why do you even think I'm scum. That's annoying. Just trust me for once, I'm town I promise lol

I haven't seen you as scum yet tho so please point me to a game or two of yours as scum

[zakk]

Reactions obv

Can you think of single action that cannot be excused by such a universal excuse.

Spoiler: obvious exceptions

derp hammering at LYLO is not for getting alignment indicative reactions. et al

and what did you conclude?

not offhand. but it doesn't change the fact that it's the truth

also, it doesn't change the fact that my vote's still there.

[zakk]

Zakk, meta-dive me yourself. It's pointless, but I enjoy people doing it anyway.

yeah i'm not gonna do this

just do cool things that make me trust you, k?

meanwhile, i'm town. so are shiro, axle, and singer

also, notscience and mala are scum. discuss

[zakk]

Zakk you really need the cut the crap and explain your scum read on me because you keep waffling on me and I have posted quite a bit that should give you a better grasp at a read on me.

I don't find you particularly town. I could make a case on you, but you'd hand-wave it away just like you did with the case on notscience.

One particular reason you're being scummy is exemplified in this very post, however. You're demanding to know my read on you, with reasons.

My read on you is a fluid thing. You can't demand I "have a better grasp" on you. That's trying to force me to have a read on you. That makes no sense. You can't force that.
And the big problem with that is that TOWNIES care about what they think of other people. They don't necessarily care about what others think of them. That's scum's biggest worry though.

Ergo I think you're scum and that you need to eat rope, preferably sooner rather than later.

But I'm not worried about it.
If you're still alive and not catching scum after 3 or 4 days, which I have no doubt will be the case, people are going to start to notice.

If we have a vig I sure hope they kill you.

Toodles.

[zakk]

I am loving this game already. Efficient moderator page tops, A tier flavor and manageable(?) activity level? I like.

<3

Okay, seriously Sonic start scum hunting or die.

(although, i'm weakly townreading you)

Using colloquialisms like "okay seriously" to absolutely zero effect other than padding ... Check.
Qualifying the statement with a tempering remark immediately after being abrasive... Check.
Putting the onus on someone else to do work, lest they look scummy or even die... Check.

Mala is scum.

Holy cheese balls

Mala is scum.

VOTE: Mala

Also this

But I forgot, you don't read my posts, so how could you POSSIBLY know my reasons for thinking anything?

In other words, you're just looking for a case to pick apart, when really, you should be scumhunting (which you're not)

(also, you accidentally dropped your role card right after D1 began, and I caught a glimpse. sorry)

[zakk]

Zakk I have also noticed a pattern of you asking players for scum games, but you haven't asked me, not once. So have you meta-dived me or are you looking for some kind of rise out of me everytime you call me scum?

I ask for people's scum games when I have reason to believe I might be misreading them.

I have no such reason for you.

[zakk]

I'd lynch MS Mala.

me too

my lynch pool consists of:

notscience
Malakittens
nosferatu/maxwell
metal sonic
veegee (also in the "hey, what's your read on me?" group)

in order of preference:

notscience (actively scummy)
malakittens (actively scummy)
nosferatu (maxwell is better but the slot is still on the short list)
veegee (useless + scummy)
metal sonic (only last because i know he can be decent, even though he's not doing it here, otherwise he'd be close to first)

[zakk]

I'd lynch MS Mala.

but your leading the wagon on VeeGee, and sytill havent explained why he scum and not just useless.

last game i was in with BBT, we left a useless alive for a very long time before finally lynching him. he was scum

i can understand why he wants to lynch useless. my notes, in fact, say that i should lynch you sooner rather than later, but later that was superseded by a strong town read

so, count your blessings because you're pretty useless yourself, and lynching useless people is a GOOD thing

useless people include:

metal sonic
veegee
ika (significantly less useless since returning, though his suspicion on me is still stupid)
axle

of the four of them, i have a town read on only one.

ika, you're getting there. keep posting.

[zakk]

okay i'm done for now, this game is annoying

[zakk]

oh and one more thing:

I'd lynch MS Mala.

but your leading the wagon on VeeGee, and sytill havent explained why he scum and not just useless.

BBT associate useless with scum and if they are town he just goes *well they were useless*

how is this bad in any way?

[zakk]

oh wait idk i must be mixing you up with another random non-contributor

[zakk]

People should check VeeGee's ]68 and my thoughts on it in 103 if they think there is no reason to think VeeGee is scum.

This can be added to the list of things that VeeGee is NOT doing that a townie should be doing and we have ourselves a scum lynch.

Proceed to vote accordingly please.

You have my sword, bow, and axe.

But whatcha think about Mala/notsci?

Are they really this scummy as town? Because whoa.

[zakk]

Okay mala can sit in the town pile too

[zakk]

For now at least

[zakk]

So if me, axle, shiro, singer, notscience, and mala are all town

That narrows down the game quite a bit

[zakk]

VOTE: Maxwell

I'm ready when y'all are

L-1 btw. Declare intent before hammering

[zakk]

Also, you should claim now Maxwell


Btw mala I play extremely hypocritically as either alignment so me thinking notscience is scum for things that I'm doing is just par for the course. If you're feeling agreeable I'm sure you'll understand

Anyone have any other questions for me, make it short and sweet so I can see and answer them easily

[zakk]

Max what do you think of my vote on you?

[zakk]

Also it's really really boring/annoying to read a lot of posts about myself

Idk if I can describe how annoying it is knowing that:
- I'm clearly town to everyone that matters
- To the people that nobody is listening to, I'm scum
- They seem to be under the illusion that I can be lynched
- They seem to have unlimited time to argue every point
- They are flooding the thread with a bunch of hogwash
- The game is suffering for it, and nobody is actually scumhunting scum, like me
- Scum are coasting (GUARANTEED)

[zakk]

We are just on different wavelengths man

[zakk]

I need to reread and respond to a lot of stuff

But for now, yeah. I don't want to lynch Maxwell. Reactions were good there too

Vote: veegee

P-edit: ohai

[zakk]

I am kinda baffled from what zakk just said.

Zakk weren't you the one that was saying how we shouldn't drive people to claim for the sake of reactions in Zed's Tavern or was it someone else? (not gonna lie I am not going to be bothered searching)

I don't like wagons-to-claim

I also don't like lynching townies

Two wrongs don't make a right

[zakk]

I think I'm going to

VOTE: Mala

Do tell

[zakk]

I think I'm going to

VOTE: Mala

Do tell

[zakk]

Sorry for double post. Mobile, etc

Singer is also feeling less town

But I like ns' vote on mala a lot

[zakk]

That sure sounds a lot more tense than you did in 1674.

Because I'm just not in the ducking mood. I mean there's at least two other people whom are better lynches than me. I was lyched last game we played by letting people run me up and QH'ig. I was pretty pissed off at that so if we think i am allowing to be lynched D1 over two people who are doing next to jack you have something else coming.

"I'm not in the mood to be lynched" ...?

[zakk]

Yeah okay go screw yourself right now Notty.

Those who are doing next to nothing are hell of a lot of a better lynch. Sonic, even veegee, shaddowez. Are three to name. Sonic is such a better lynch than me. Im at least scum hunting, giving reads out. He's not.

"I'm not scum" is a better response than "these other people are a better lynch than me"

Unvote; Vote: Malakittens

[zakk]

VOTE: Max

Let's get this day over so I can kill notty during the night.

[sarcasm tags^]

[not sarcasm tags^]

every posts mala makes, makes me feel better about thsi lynch

[zakk]

Also, I'd like to note that I preemptively called her flip out on me.

so i must have missed it, but what is the nature of your relationship?

[zakk]

ika - On the fence about
Metal Sonic - scum
shaddowez - maaaaybe scum
AxleGreaser - I think town
BlueBloodedToffee Dizzle - pretty sure he's town
Shiro - maybe town?
Scorpious Ciara24 - could be scum (scum reading me after a few people have expressed interest to lynch me feels scummy af)
notscience - town
zakk satsujin - IDK I'm on and off about this slot.
MaxwellPuckett Nosferatu - Maybe scum? I'm trusting singer on this tbh
VeeGee - IDK
singersigner - I think town?

This is one of the most non-commital read lists I have ever seen.

Also,saying that I only expressed interest in you after others is false. I expressed interest in you in my first post in this game.

So according to your list,the only thing you are "sure" of is that notscience is town?

Scorpious is scum based just off this post

We know who to lynch if mala flips town

If mala flips scum well, still wanna lynch this

[zakk]

cool story bro.

i'm pretty proud of it, i spent a while writing it

[zakk]

VOTE: Shiro

Explain?

VOTE: Ika

~

Also singer is pretty much conf-town so~

Omg if it's Mala and Shiro

This post would be SO great

[zakk]

This post is not an unvote.

I'm laughing pretty hard at this post

[zakk]

I'm holding off on making any super strong opinions until I know what happened with the lack of kill last night (so as not to look foolish) lol

Protection on singer would be pretty feasible, so I'm not gonna wait very long because there's no way they'll claim.

Not sure what to think of mala. Yesterday's posts were terrible; today's slightly less.

Everybody's "but I really know how X plays and today they are [alignment]!!! therefore i refuse to explain everything" cop outs are annoying as all get out, but I guess that's just something I'm going to have to deal with, this game.

Singer's instincts again prove to be spot on

[zakk]

I always like to know as much about what happened as possible, because the scum likely already do

So, if you're not scum, why was your play so difficult, ridiculous, and terrible on Day 1?

[zakk]

Pray tell, what's your definition of difficult, ridiculous and terrible?

Pocket dictionary just says

"Malakittens on Day 1 in Frog Mafia"

[zakk]

Mala, if you're town, skim Genesis mafia

If you're scum, just keep doing what you're doing, because you're making my job easy

[zakk]

notscience goes way down in suspicion with the Maxwell flip, btw

[zakk]

Also, veegee is probtown

[zakk]

Also, BBT and/or Metal Sonic is scum with Maxwell Puckett

singer, ISO this guy and learn stuff. The confbias potential after knowing his alignment is great

i.e. how not to play scum

[zakk]

So,

Town:
Me

Probtown:
Axle
Singer
Notscience
VeeGee

I thought was town, now not sure:
Shiro

No man's land:
Ika
BBT
Scorpius
Shaddowez

anti town:
Metal sonic

Scummy:
Malakittens


Time to reread and grab my pitchfork and torch

[zakk]

eh nvm, I got it.

You get to see my scum play and also my non-Sala-ness



If you're town, please just chill out and play. I'm willing to give you a chance to prove yourself

If you're scum well. You don't stand a chance

What do you think of my list above? Minus you, obv

[zakk]

Okay. I like that.

Shall we focus on shiro and ika and BBT for now?
No man's land + scummy are where I like to scumhunt

I can be cool I just like to rattle the cages of my scum reads until they stop being scummy

Ready? Now's your chance

[zakk]

Vote: ika

[zakk]

vote: ika

Those are really weak reasons to have for any of your reads.

I think Mala's reads are on point. Still unsure about BBT and Shadowez but think we have time to lynch the four of them and gg no re?

fine with me we are at POE.

VOTE: ika

we can move on

If you're town you're dumb for this

[zakk]

I'm good with my vote

[zakk]

I have no idea about singer, but Sonic doing something like what you just described, Axle, I could see. I want to talk to Sonic properly and make a read on him based on that, though.

As for the rest of stuff about Zakk, I get where you're coming from, and why you're scumreading him. I think I'll be paying a lot of attention to zakk, but right now I think he's a positive influence on the game, even if other players perhaps don't see it that way. By the way, could you repeat what you want zakk to explain, things that he 'handwaved' earlier? I'd like to see him respond to you on that.

I think it should be pretty obvious that I want VeeGee lynched, though. If not him, then Malakittens.

So... like I understand what you're saying, but why would a scum zakk knowingly do anti-town behaviour? If he understood his behaviour being anti-town at the time, as you claim... why do it? Is it not more likely that at the time, he didn't realize his behaviour was anti-team play (I believe that's what you're saying), and only realized later?

Speaking from personal experience, one's feelings at the time of a post are usually a lot different then their feelings when reading it later.

So. is there a plausible explanation as to why a scum zakk who, knowing what anti-town play looks like, would choose to play in that way?

PEDIT: I've never played with either zakk or VeeGee.

But you're saying that VeeGee is normally like this, right? If that's the case, I'll read up on him and re-assess, but within the boundaries of this game only I don't see why lynching VeeGee is a bad idea. Since VeeGee is apparently always somewhat scummy.. what would you look for in determining his alignment? How would you avoid dismissing VeeGee as scum based on his meta of being scummy regardless of alignment?

And as for zakk's meta, I think I've explained about that before the PEDIT.

hey if anyone still suspects me, read these posts

It's scum trying to ingratiate itself to town, not scum defending a scumbuddy

Just saying this cause it was kinda working

In hindsight it looks totally manufactured though

[zakk]

ika: How is zakk a VI? Also, if the game is like 15 pages in, read it. Or, you can jump on the only wagon and ignore what happened while you were away. Your meta isn't difficult, ika, and I'll be happy to vote you if you decide to take an inactive role in this game.

Axle: Alright, I guess I understand your theory. I don't really agree, but I get where you're coming from? Or at least I see how you've explained his behaviour from a scum perspective.

Malakittens: A breakdown of your reads would be cool.

Zakk: My slot has a lot to answer for? Please, ask away if you have problems. I honestly don't know what the heck you expect me to say about Nosferatu, though. Lurksack? Had too many games going? Low-hanging fruit lynch?

This post suggests coaching to both ika and malakittens

[zakk]

Oh, right, and singer, do we actually agree about Mala? I think zakk's play has been a lot better than theirs. If VeeGee is always like this, and I'll check them out tomorrow, I'd rather move my vote over to Mala.

However this looks like scum looking for permission from town to vote town

[zakk]

PEDIT: While writing this, I saw that Shiro actually, *gasp* posted something about me that isn't this post. I'll check it out.

Those of you voting shiro, does this look like something one would post about one's scum buddy?

[zakk]

Bah, I'll be V/LA for the weekend. Back a day before deadline, though. This was unplanned and annoying.

I'm unhappy with zakk not answering me. And I guess Shiro gets a pass for now for backing off, but I still don't like the original push or the logic behind it. I feel like you're hyperfocusing on that point to avoid having to backtrack but... day 2 I can get into Shiro. I'd love everyone's opinions on Shiro, actually. I feel like no one wants to talk to them, or about them, and it annoys me.

Not sure how happy I am to go back to VeeGee, I'd rather go after someone I'm sure is scum which is.. I guess no one, right this second. I want to be around and make decisions after zakk gets back to me but I can't do that right now. I won't have any access during this weekend up until Sunday night.

I don't want something bad to happen while I'm gone so I'm going to leave my vote where it is. Not comfortable voting zakk until I've talked with him and not really comfortable going back to VeeGee considering that's where Shiro just went... yeah yeah, pre-flip associatives, cry me a river, I'll make a decision when I get back.

PEDIT: BBT, is Scorpious less scummy to you than VeeGee? Why?

Doesn't really have scum reads

But talks about me, axle, and shiro a lot

That means he felt comfortable with talking about us

Which means by association with me and axle, shiro is also probably not scum

(For those wondering)

I am against a shiro lynch.

[zakk]

I am cool with being focused on.

Questions are welcome

I like this post btw

[zakk]

@Shiro,Can you provide us reads based on this game and this game alone? Without using any meta?

What is your opinion of Zakk in THIS GAME?

Would have lynched him yesterday is my opinion on zakk this game alone or at the very least pushed him to l-1.

Reads with no meta

Town
Singer
Axl
Mala

Null town
You
Bbt

null
Notscience
MS

Nullscum
Ika
VeeGee
Shadow dude

Probably scum
Zakk


But based on what I know you can push zakk to nulltown and ika a little lower plus axl at the top of townreads

Wait wtf?? Since when am I a scum read?

Let's talk about this

[zakk]

That means

Ta but i usually work out what the thread means for myself.
If mafia and association tells were as simple as you claim, and scum don't talk to one another ever, even when they have an encrypter.
Then the game would be boring.

Max had town read on you that, Shiro 'thought' came out of nowhere. Shiro and Max then go on to discuss why one of them thought you were 'scum', while only both only ever talked about how town they thought you were and why.
A sweet heart deal.

Now if you are town... why are you not worried by how hard they were buddying you?

that's actually a good point

i just re-read shiro's posts though to try to convince myself that he was scum

and i only came up with him as more town, based on negative associative tells from maxwell/nos

sorry, lol

[zakk]

Is BBT gonna get prodded?

do you have anything to say about the posts people made in the game?

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

[zakk]

I'm not suspicious, I'm AWESOME.

[zakk]

I'm in almost complete agreement with you.

Shocking that once you stop being like you were being, you can actually make sense. Hehe

I'm playing with you. But yeah I agree with you

BBT/shadow/ika/sonic

I'm not town reading Scorpius though, that's my only gripe at this point

[zakk]

Shiro is

definitely town

.

I know I'm town and

I am off and on about Shiro

and Sonic is the one I like scum out of Shiro/sonic.

@Mala

Hi,
Which are you and why?

This is almost irrefutable evidence that Malakittens is town, btw

[zakk]

I'm in almost complete agreement with you.

Shocking that once you stop being like you were being, you can actually make sense. Hehe

I'm playing with you. But yeah I agree with you

BBT/shadow/ika/sonic

I'm not town reading Scorpius though, that's my only gripe at this point

Oh also VeeGee, he's not a town read either.

So that's 6 in which the scum reside.

But that's a lot better than 11! lol

Next few days will slim that 6 down to about 3, I'm sure.

[zakk]

Shiro is

definitely town

.

I know I'm town and

I am off and on about Shiro

and Sonic is the one I like scum out of Shiro/sonic.

@Mala

Hi,
Which are you and why?

This is almost irrefutable evidence that Malakittens is town, btw

So as contradicting yourself is quite easy to do... if you want to. And we know that you read that as irrefutable evidence of town(from some people). You are now easy meat to endgame as the puppet.
Well either that or you just make stuff up as convenient, and dont actually believe anything of what you say.

Omg can you just stop posting please lol

[zakk]

Metal sonic if you could stop being a real turd that'd be nice

If not, replace out, because idk about you but I'm trying to win this game and you're making it a lot harder than it needs to be

BBT you need to step it up as well

As far as I'm concerned I could lead lynches on you both, and you both could flip town, and I'd just be annoyed even more

So get it in gear or replace out

[zakk]

Okay Scorpius on page 34 feels like scum

[zakk]

Also-

Whoever made the coaching claim, when we have a flipped encryptor, is laughable.

That was me

I don't think it's laughable

[zakk]

Her approach to the game seems to be "lash out at whoever is scumreading me" like she was worried about being on her back foot from the start. When Zakk engaged her she made an excuse that she lashed out because he was putting her down or something like that and then she's doing the exact same to me who didn't do anything remotely like that once.

It overall feels like she came into this game worrying more about people thinking she's town (see her jumping on everyone for scumreading her). At the end of day 1 when I suggested she get wagoned she blew up because "there are lurkers who are a better lynch than me" rather than try to work with me and say 'hey this is what you are seeing but no its actually this" she just flat out was like "THIS IS AN INSULT THAT YOU WOULD LYNCH ME OVER A LURKER" and that just feels fake. It feels like she's faking emotional outbursts for no apparent reason, and regarding Ika's reason for townreading her, she was hardly scumreading him. And I understand your point that her post to max seems unlikely scum/scum but if she'd done that to other players to and not them that would be a pretty big smoking gun.

Yes mala is still really scummy but that doesn't mean that getting her to focus on "scumhunting" instead of overall defensive behavior won't have net pro town benefit

So

[zakk]

Oh and me saying "I'll won't be lynched etc" is something I say regardless of alignment. It's just something that's just me.

So you're UN crumbing PR then. K

[zakk]

Thank you Mala, you have given me something to chew on..

@Singer,that's fair. I've just seen it trend to other way..

Agreed

It's either scum or useless town who say it

Either way, they're better lynches, on average

[zakk]

VOTE: Ika

I'll settle on this, but Sonic is next.

>.>

And you just called out someone else lining up lynches a few posts before this

Tsk tsk malaaaaa

[zakk]

Why are you reading these people the way you are reading them?

meta and guts

I'm gonna run a "metal vs guts" mafia some day

[zakk]

Right, but both cases hinge on meta which is too subjective.

PEdit - Mala, NS can usually read you pretty accurately, no? Why do you think he has got it wrong?

Yes, mine is based on meta, however it also is based on her gameplay this game, totally out of the realm of meta.

Look at it from a purely play based perspective-

She has played blatantly defensive

She lashes out and demands to know why people are scumreading her but when they present reasons she blatantly ignores them

She repeatedly tries to discredit people pushing her

Are these town or scum indicative?

It's WIFOM

She's getting lynched before d4 though if we haven't lynched another scum yet, or she hasn't been cleared in some manner

[zakk]

I never onced wavered on the town read on you. I had doubts because of the two days you weren't posting here, but posting on MS.

You're trying to jam another wagon with 2-3 left on the DAy. Not to mention there are a few other people that deserve fire before me hint: the one I'm voting.

Im overly defensive because you know me so I don't exactly know why you are scum reading me. You did this in FG's game too and you got the same reaction out of me, but you are forgetting that game apparently.

Maybe discrediting was the wrong term, which I rescind.

Throwing shade maybe?

Like it's just constantly been "You are wrong" "Knock it off" "You forget this game where I acted this way!" and then 581 seems like it's setting up a discredit or scumread with absolutely 0 follow up

100% agreed

[zakk]

Interesting. Caught up. I like mala as scum more than my recent posting may indicate, but I also don't want to lynch her today cause I could see her as town too

Scorpius is looking ripe for rope tho

And ika is just. Idk, kinda feels like a VI

Scorpius

[zakk]

VOTE: Ika

I'll settle on this, but Sonic is next.

And you just called out someone else

lining up lynches

a few posts before this

Tsk tsk malaaaaa

No I freaken didn't.

Spoiler: Um... yes you freaken did.

What about Notty

lining up my lynch

regardless of how Max was flipping?

[zakk]

True but scum can be lazy just like town is often lazy

That's my point anyway. Maybe it's a weak one but it's a valid one.

Anyway, semantics.

[zakk]

And look, Mala, I'm all for people who know each other playing the same game together and being friendly...

But when people are being rude and obnoxious due to being significant others with someone else in the game, and being frustrated to the point of cussing out people they don't even know, that's just crossing the line.

If you can't find it within yourself to play the game in a cordial fashion, I don't care about your alignment, you should replace out.

So either you shape up, or I'll not rest until you're gone from the game, either by unceremoniously getting dead, via lynch (in which case, if you're town, you've wasted a whole day and two lives for your team, congrats), or by replacement (in which case, you've wasted a whole lot of our time already, and you've troubled the mod to find another player, and you've troubled that player to come in and salvage your situation regardless of alignment, and you've wasted a whole lot of our effort trying to read the slot based on the replace-in's content, while trying to block out your clear compromisation of ethics by remaining in a game where you are detrimental regardless of faction).

If you're town, I'm ashamed of you as a player/person, and I don't particularly want to play with you again.

If you're scum, I question your ethics in playing to win, and I don't particularly want to play with you again.

[zakk]

Axle's Scum

for the last time, Axle is not scum, geez

[zakk]

oh and Mala your situation will sort itself out. Just please see that you don't be a poo head from now on. Thx

[zakk]

Oh and me saying "I'll won't be lynched etc" is something I say regardless of alignment. It's just something that's just me.

So you're UN crumbing PR then. K

when did i even crumb a PR in the first place

and if I was crumbing a PR what's the town adv in saying this outloud...?

I feel like I answered this post

Maybe this was the post my phone died on.

[zakk]

Yeah, a search reveals it was the one my phone died on.

I thought you were crumbing when you said you weren't going to be lynched.

Now that that's just a "I do this every game" thing (which is hiding behind meta, which is scummy, btw) you're significantly less "don't lynch her she might be a PR" to me

Also it wasn't an overt PR crumb, just a hint (or so I thought).
Since you've now refuted the "hint" by saying you do it every game, there is no detriment to town to point it out.

[zakk]

don't lynch her = don't run her up
she might be a PR = she might be a PR forced to claim
a search reveals = i didn't find anything
i thought you were crumbing = i thought you were hinting

sorry, that post came out pretty rushed.

[zakk]

Since you've now refuted the "hint" by saying you do it every game, there is no detriment to town to point it out.

Isn't this basically agreeing to Mala's point that it's antitown to have pointed it out?

No.

It's really quite simple.

If it was a crumb, it's anti-town to point it out.

If it's something I thought might have been a crumb, but it turns out wasn't a crumb after all because by her own admission she does it in every game, then it's not anti-town at all. In fact it's pro-town because it reveals my train of thought in easing pressure on Mala for a specific reason, and then returning it once said reason was rendered null and void, and this might actually help other players read me with a higher level of accuracy (boy, what a complicated concept).

Also, shaddowez, the fact that you're trying to make me look bad, is noted.

OH, ALSO!!

Stand by for another post on your scumminess, shaddowez.

It will happen in... FIVE. SECONDS.

[zakk]

oooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooo

Alright, damn it. This isn't going anywhere, but I'm going to lose my shit if VeeGee ends up flipping scum eventually. At this point I feel like I'm on him more as a PL than anything else, so I'm going to
UNVOTE:

This part in particular of this post in particular is scuuuuuummalicious. Why?

"Here let me use a lot of word things so I can backtrack on a tunnel vote that isn't going anywhere so I can drop a vote on the second most popular wagon which will also not go through but it's also a safe choice and doesn't look like I'm purposely being useless"

Also, let's save this bit for later!
(don't worry, I'll copy-paste it for

MAXIMUM EFFECT

lol)

That being said, I'd also be willing to vote for zakk.

Please stand by while I disassemble your "case" and put it back together in the single way that it makes the least possible sense.

In other words, putting things back in context.

I don't like 114, as that feels like a "Scum don't do X, I'm doing X, therefore I'm not scum" argument.

Except I

didn't

say that,

and

you are apparently

completely

missing the fact Axle's spent a good portion of the game hounding me, for a good thirty plus pages now, trying to rally the troops to support my lynch based

solely

on the fact that I'm hypocritical about not answering questions.

Such as:

He throws out a lot of reads early on, with no valid explanations for any of them

(even when asked about them repeatedly)

.

Bolded is mine.

zakk opens a lot of discussion with the town, but rarely provides much insight of his own.

Do me a favor and point out some reasons why opening a lot of discussion is scummy, or even anti-town.

Actually, do me a favor and point out where I opened discussion and didn't provide any insight of my own.

Bonus points

: Point out how my presence in the game has actually had a negative effect for town in any way (other than ruffling useless players' feathers, while in the course of pushing wagons, creating discussion, solidifying people's reads, locking down PoE, opening up different points of view, and in general being a devilishly handsome fellow).

932 looks like AtE.

No this is what you call an Appeal to Decency.

Which, incidentally, is not a logical fallacy, but is a method of manipulation in which one "encourages" another to adopt a more proper form of action, lest they receive numerous and devastating backlashy remarks from one and all about how they are a terrible person, should improve their gameplay and/or demeanor, and in any and all other worse "shame" them into acting as you want them to act.

This is also called Peer Pressure In A Mafia Game.

Slapping it with the label "looks like AtE", and attempting to pass it off as scummy, is, in and of itself, scummy.

---

Alright, you were waiting for it, guys, and now here it is!

I read people very well on D1 *shrug*

If that's the case, why did you move your vote off of Maxwell onto VeeGee very close to lynch time?

GEE I'M GLAD YOU ASKED!

MAXIMUM EFFECT

Alright, damn it. This isn't going anywhere, but I'm going to lose my shit if VeeGee ends up flipping scum eventually. so I'm going to
UNVOTE:

YOU GUYS

ZAKK IS SCUMMY

FOR SUSPECTING

THE VERY PERSON

WHO I'M COMPLAINING THAT THE WAGON ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE ON

...

YES

THAT VERY PERSON

ZAKK IS SCUMMY FOR VOTING HIM

[zakk]

VOTE: shaddowez btw

Everybody who wants to win should follow me to victory

[zakk]

I'll be really, really surprised if either Shiro or AxleGreaser is scum.

[zakk]

Oh and me saying "I'll won't be lynched etc" is something I say regardless of alignment. It's just something that's just me.

So you're UN crumbing PR then. K

when did i even crumb a PR in the first place

and if I was crumbing a PR what's the town adv in saying this outloud...?

Twas the "I'm not gonna get lynched" bit

Made it sound like you had a good thing to claim

It's mostly why I backed off

I'm significantly "back on" now tho; you have exactly one game day to shape up and stop being ranty and distracting before I systematically begin to pick apart your every word and every punctuation mark and character assassinate the crap out of you


Edit: omg my phone saved this post before it died. LOL

Another edit: maybe it's a good thing it died tho. Lolol this is kinda intense. I think I was hyped up on coffee HAHA

[zakk]

No credible threat? Axl like Mala had notscience scumreading her hard. Max would vote her zakk scumread her and so did Scorpious who town read max

That is four reasonable vote add potentially some of the lurkers and here is your threat

Zakk had You,Scorpious and potentially the lurkers. Plus he is an easy lynchbait even as a compromise.

There was aplenty of credible threats

I won't object I am normally not a selfish player but I do try hard to convince others that I am right and in all honesty max was driven in l-1 twice there was enough foundation to act without thinking that I am putting my ego in place

Tbh this conversation has nothing else to give. I did my best to prove to you what I believed when I did what I did and you refuse to find it possible.

I object to the statement that I am easy lynchbait

Objection your honor





Objection

[zakk]

I will lynch:

shaddowez
Malakittens
Metal sonic

In that order

[zakk]

There needs to be moar activity. And less axle, and more BBT/ika/shaddowez/metal sonic actually providing opinions

[zakk]

And less axle,

All aboard the discredit train.

I started the day naked voting and dodging the obv question, so as to give space...
exact;ly how much less aXle do you want... actually dont bother, I think i know.

suspending my disbelief for sec.
So if you were somehow town....
What you need to is to start playing the game and providing reasons, and active involvement. This post is value less 993 , and this 992 943 932 923
cut the empty posturing that swings around like barn door.

don't sell yourself short

actually you've been rather instrumental in causing me not to write shiro off as town quite so easily, particularly in your last few posts

but you're a little too intense and i think the people posting the most (me, you, and whoever you're arguing with at the moment) are kinda strangling the thread and letting lurkers lurk

also i'm not trying to discredit you at all. i take all of your opinions with a grain of salt because i know you're wrong about me, but i've seen a lot of good things in your post too. and since i think you're town, i'm listening

anyway, that's my $0.02

[zakk]

zakk

- Your train of thought in 956 makes absolutely no sense. There was no mention of it being a crumb or not until you brought it up. Regardless of whether it was a crumb or not, bringing attention to it looks like you're PR hunting.

As for 957.
I'm going to refer to each of the post quotes as points so as to not clutter up the post:

Point 1

- The VeeGee lynch doesn't appear to be going anywhere, and while I still think he's scum (no backtracking, or doubletalk, or anything else to mince my words), I don't want my vote just sitting somewhere it's not going to help town. He's not my only scum read, so I unvoted (and moved my vote to another target, in the same post). Why are you so convinced the Shiro wagon won't go through? You and your other scumbuddies won't vote for them?

Points 2, 3, and 4

- You claim you're going to put my case "back in context", and then instead of actually addressing any of the things I say about you, just go "Well, Axle's not doing this"

Point 5

- Opening discussion is not in and of itself scummy. However, it allows for you to appear active when you're not actually doing anything but asking questions, and gives you the ability to fall back on "safe" answers when you don't actually follow through with them. For example: 26, you ask NS why singer over Mala, no follow up. 112 you ask me about my intro vote, then don't engage with me about that part at all, just answer a question I asked you in 144. In 166 you address Mala about NS, she replies in 173, no more from you. I can provide more if you'd like.

lest they receive numerous and devastating backlashy remarks from one and all about how they are a terrible person,

Point 6

- So you're attempting to protect Mala from being berated by...berating her? Makes sense to me.

Point 7

- I like how you say early on in the post you're going to put things in context, and then take things out of context to talk about them. I didn't find you suspecting VeeGee as scummy. What I found scummy was your claim of "reading people well on D1", followed by moving your vote off of Maxwell (who ended up flipping scum) onto a wagon that wasn't going anywhere when a lynch was near imminent.

Nice OMGUS vote there, btw.

Cool, soooo, I don't really care about any of this and I didn't read it buuuut

how did that post you just replied to, change your read on me, if at all?

[zakk]

I'm over Zakk's attitude.

Zakk either vote me or leave me be.

Singer why are you voting Shiro?

So I can't suspect you unless I'm already voting you?

Lol you're really bad at this mafia thing

You don't use your votes to lynch scum asap on d1 and d2, you use them to gain information

Lynching scum two days running early on is disastrous for town because the last scum has no one left to make associative tells with, and they also know who to kill and how to avoid lynches from the rest of the patsies

It's much better if you lynch town on Day 1 and/or 2 because then you get WAY more info for nailing scum as a team

Winning mafia as town isn't about getting two booya lynches and then getting picked off one by one until you lose endgame because the single scum has had all game to study town without interference of, reliance on, or unwitting attachment to scum buddies

It's about getting ALL the scum, and getting ALL the information you can, within reason

And since you're sooooo town, you shouldn't be encouraging me to allegedly waste a vote on you, at all, regardless of whether it's part of some ill conceived ultimatum designed to get people to suspect you less and/or get off your case

Anyway, no. You're still on the radar, and I'm going to continue to make pot shots

[zakk]

It's about getting ALL the scum, and getting ALL the information you can, within reason

and thus you find Shiro's hammer really very bad?

No it's not bad to get one scum lynch in early on, just not two

Today it'd be good to lynch for information tho

[zakk]

Anyway, no. You're still on the radar, and I'm going to continue to make pot shots

Yeah this whole post of yours bugs me.

You can win the game by lynching scum D1/2 and then another day after that.

Also I don't like the "I'm going to make pot shots thing". Rubs me the wrong way esp everytime you make a potshot you do it in order to berate/discredit/insult me and I don't like that either. I'm not a terrible player at all, in fact, I have games where I'm spot on. So you may wanna watch before calling me terrible again.

I'm trying to get you to stop posturing tbh.

Idc if my post bugs you

Do you think I'm scum?

[zakk]

It's much better if you lynch town on Day 1 and/or 2 because then you get WAY more info for nailing scum as a team

please explain this a little more. The idiot in me is confused. Are you saying you would rather lynch town on D1 and maybe 2 for endgame purposes? Why would you EVER want to lynch town if you are in fact; town.

It's pretty well explained in the post try reading it again

[zakk]

I object to the statement that I am easy lynchbait

Objection your honor





Objection

Object all you want zakk won't change the truth


There are people that are town and appear so
There are people that are town and appear null
There are people that are town and appear scummy
And then there is you.

I'm town and appear all three?

Or, I'm town and appear a comical fourth option?

Or, I'm not town?

What is it, woman, what?

Did I leave the toilet seat up???

[zakk]

BBT- are you going to tell

us

why you voted me?

All you did was ask me another question after I asked mine and answered yours.

I'll be down to vote Scorpius I suppose

For the bolded

[zakk]

Zakk, you interested in lynching Scorpious?

He's in my No Man's Land so sure, pressure is fun

My ika wagon seems to have lost steam cause he's active lurking so

Yeah I'm interested

Vote: Scorpius

[zakk]

Oh yet zakk cna shitpost, Kai.

But I'm not.

The difference is, I'm making things happen and pushing on other people with a purpose.

You're just complaining about other people and trying to deflect suspicion from yourself

And my posts are accomplishing something

And yours are accomplishing significantly less

[zakk]

Zak and his cum buddies

*blushes*

axl pls

no ty

[zakk]

Does anyone have anything to say about shaddowez being so hypocritical?

Does anyone have anything to say about the ika wagon fizzling out?

I'm on V/LA btw

[zakk]

I am quickly losing interest in this game

[zakk]

Without real content

Yeah go take a hike buddy

[zakk]

Okay I'm back. Game's gone literally nowhere

Vote: shiro

[zakk]

Because I'm not around to inject activity that's why

So let's talk shiro

Why do you think your wagon is being supported?

Who do you think is another viable lynch regardless of alignment?

Who is your top scum read and why?

[zakk]

If that's a hammer, 'night y'all

If not, we should lynch Mala

[zakk]

Or Scorpius

[zakk]

If shiro flips scum and mala I'd actually town after all, I'm gonna laugh at that being a hail Mary by scum, and town falling for it

[zakk]

I would also lol because this is the most apathetic town ever to actually lynch scum 2 days in a row

[zakk]

*is, not I'd, in 1231
*would be the most/will be the most/etc., not is, in 1232

/in b4 someone implies I know shiros alignment

[zakk]

Ahhhhhhh I see what's going on.

I visited nobody last night.

I'm a backup role cop. Metal Sonic, I'm assuming you're the non-backup, i.e. full rolecop, seeing as you think you have a guilty on me, which makes sense to think.

But I'm town. And I'm the backup

Sorry if it's hard to trust me after Genesis lol

[zakk]

I wondered what kind of setup would necessitate a backup role cop, and now I know: a power-heavy one.

We've certainly seen evidence of that.

[zakk]

I can't stop laughing. This game got SO easy just now.

Optimal play right now is to lynch BBT after he tells us all his suspicions, just in case for some reason he was the victim not the killer. But I think it's pretty obvious he's the last scum if Mala is a JK and jailed him, because who would actually shoot BBT last night?

Safe to say we don't have a serial killer.

[zakk]

Ah actually I forgot about Scorpius – he's about the only other person it could be, besides BBT, if Mala is not lying, which I don't believe she is.

I'm gonna read more, then vote one of them.

[zakk]

I don't think we need a mass claim btw. I only claimed to clear up the metal sonic confusion, which I think is okay to do at this point, with 2 scum dead.

Btw, lolololol we lynched scum 2 days running.
This town.
WE did that.

I find that irresistibly cute. I think we are awesome in a really dysfunctional sort of way. :3

[zakk]

I'm just as shocked as you that someone tried to kill me.

#brbdying

VOTE: BBT

[zakk]

If you're not scum I'm down for Scorpius but I rly doubt you're not scum so

[zakk]

Alright so that flip was kinda/not-so-kinda unexpected. So we wait for Mala now to see who she jailed.

Scorpious voting for me immediately is really scummy, especially given the circumstances of BBT's death yesterday.

Circumstance 1:

Can we not fucking lynch me?

Seriously, back the fuck off.

Cool.

Lynch Scorpious after my flip.

What took you so long to vote Scorpious?

Circumstance 2:

Ah actually I forgot about Scorpius – he's about the only other person it could be, besides BBT, if Mala is not lying, which I don't believe she is.

I'm gonna read more, then vote one of them.

If you're not scum I'm down for Scorpius but I rly doubt you're not scum so

shadowez's vote on me is considerably less scummy, given past events + Shiro's flip. I'll have to re-read him/Shiro.


AxleGreaser's willingness to vote me is no surprise at all.


However, I'm town.




Possibilities of what happened last night as far as I can see them:

1. Mala jailed scum, or whoever scum tried to kill. BBT would have been a very interesting choice for scum to kill yesterday, and it strains reason that anyone besides Scorpious would have tried to make that kill.

2. Scum decided to no-kill, and see if they could swing a lynch on whoever Mala jailed again. This could be Scorpious, for reasons of the BBT kill, or it could be someone else, having hatched the plan after Mala apparently jailed correctly both Night 1 AND Night 2.

3. Mala is scum. And doing everything in #2. Perhaps even set up for the JK claim early on. I think this is somewhat farfetched, but her claim was entirely unnecessary from a townie's standpoint. I could be reluctantly persuaded to this viewpoint, but ONLY after seeing Scorpious flip town.

4. Scum don't have a nightkill (not normal, therefore not a possibility).


Either way, Scorpious looks bad, and him voting me out the gate instead of waiting for Mala results looks even worse.

Also, I'm town. And I'm really a backup rolecop.

[zakk]

VOTE: Scorpio

exactly what i hoped to see

If a Mala wagon forms, That would be my alternate. It's either these two for me

exactly what i expected to hear

[zakk]

VOTE: Scorpious obv

[zakk]

VOTE: Scorpio

exactly what i hoped to see

If a Mala wagon forms, That would be my alternate. It's either these two for me

exactly what i expected to hear

these were both p-edits to my post 1323

this was so perfect. bahahahaha

[zakk]

Mala, who did you jail last night?

[zakk]

A question of balance.
As is in the thread I have been good to lynch Zakk based on my reads for rather a long time now.

We have various claims.
Is there an argument against Zakk being scum based on

Town Rolecop, Town JK, 8xVT

VS

Encrypter Backup RoleCop Goon

Spoiler: my thoughts

My judgement of balance for this site is known by me to be poor and biased one way.
In that setup:
The town role cop has a 2/3 chance to get a non vanilla result if they check a scum. The RoleCop vs Goon is akin to cop vs GF.
The encrypt-er result is a red check, the "backup rolecop" check is more orange as the claim I am a town back rolecop is plausible.

Alternatively if The setup is

Town Rolecop, Town JK, Backup RoleCop 7xVT

VS

Encrypter ???? Goon

Then town is quite heavy on Role copness. The last ???? cant be goon as that would be weird even though against that much Rolecop power goons are effective power roles as they are GFs in that they return vanilla. It would however seem mean spirited to give two player detection roles that have two effective GFs against them.

So at this stage, if Zakk is a town backup RoleCop
all green checks seem to look like reasonably strong signs of being town.

I don't see such an argument, it looks quite reasonable setup to me. Hence the check on Zakk and the claim is null.
Which leaves me at wanting to lynch my best scum read who is not Mala or Sonic.

1. having multiple (i.e. 1 regular, 1 backup) role cops would be okay in a power heavy game (which it seems this is)
2. having a scum role cop would also be okay in a power heavy game (which it seems this is)


as for an argument as to why I'm town, i would have had to know exactly what Metal Sonic was, and exactly what he would have claimed on me, before he claimed it, to formulate my response so EXACTLY to know exactly what he was thinking. i would have known that, exactly, as either a town backup rolecop, or a scum rolecop (scum wouldn't have a backup rolecop, just a full one). therefore, i'd know more about people's roles than I do, as a full scum rolecop, than as a town backup rolecop (who hasn't targeted anyone yet, because town hasn't had our rolecop flip yet).

additionally, metal sonic never actually claimed rolecop before i claimed. and he STILL hasn't claimed (which is pro-town). so EITHER i made a big gamble and assumed he was a rolecop (because i wouldn't know what he was, if anything, or why he was thinking I was scum) OR everything is as I say it is; I'm a town backup rolecop, with an "oooohhh i see what's going down, and why you think what you think SO STRONGLY" reaction. because i know he isn't a cop with a guilty, i know he didn't track me anywhere (because i didn't go anywhere), etc. i know the only way he thinks I'm scum with that conviction is if he role-copped me and found out i'm a rolecop.

you seem like a reasonable and logical fellow... if a bit hard-headed. i'd like to appeal to that logic and reason now, if i may.

so, tl;dr

(even though I know you're gonna read this, due to how you are, others might not):
1. it makes no sense for me to know why MS suspected me (i.e. not a cop, not a tracker, etc) unless i guessed (due to my own role) what he was, and deduced based on that. a scum rolecop doesn't mean there's a town rolecop. a town BACKUP rolecop basically guarantees there's a town FULL rolecop (unless this is not a normal game, which it is).

2. it'd be a big stretch for me to guess what the case with MS suspecting me was, with such accuracy, without a claim from MS, and for him to back off immediately (which makes complete sense for him to do, given that he knows it's highly unlikely i'm scum too)


all settled then? good

now let's lynch scorpious.

[zakk]

Guys, don't lynch Scorp. It makes much more sense to lynch zakk (or Mala as a second, though I don't even really want to say I'd settle on her lynch today - hers is more PoE).

This is a ridiculously town post.

I don't want to lynch shadowez. I REALLY don't see scum making this post.

"Guys, don't do X" sounded so very natural.

Okay cool.

[zakk]

Guys, don't lynch Scorp. It makes much more sense to lynch zakk (or Mala as a second, though I don't even really want to say I'd settle on her lynch today - hers is more PoE).

Also, the side note that scum probably wouldn't be appealing to emotion in this case, they'd just be happy they weren't jailed.

[zakk]

as for an argument as to why I'm town, i would have had to know exactly what Metal Sonic was, and exactly what he would have claimed on me, before he claimed it, to formulate my response so EXACTLY to know exactly what he was thinking. i would have known that, exactly, as either a town backup rolecop, or a scum rolecop (scum wouldn't have a backup rolecop, just a full one). therefore, i'd know more about people's roles than I do, as a full scum rolecop, than as a town backup rolecop (who hasn't targeted anyone yet, because town hasn't had our rolecop flip yet).

Tit for Tat is setup where when you kill the full Role cop on the other faction your faction gets the power.
This would be a tat for tit related setup.

yeah that's really cool and all, and i'mma let you finish

but neither me nor MS was jailed last night, sooooo *pokes hole in the balloon of you still thinking I'm scum*

[zakk]

Axle, went digging in the wiki and found this page (because I don't recall playing a Tit for Tat before):

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tit_for_Tat

And then since none of the listed games are "Normal" games (just Open or Micro), I wasn't sure if Tit for Tat was Normal.

So I went digging again and found this:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Normal

Games may use any amount of approved roles (so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved

modifiers

.

Modifiers

which are explicitly

Normal

for any alignment include:
Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

New/

variant

roles may be included in limited number

(no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large)

, and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting,

Enabling

and Communication.

I would assume that the killing of one role enabling another on another faction is a non-normal variant and would therefore necessitate that only one of them appear in a normal setup.

However it also explicitly lists backups as normal, though the word backup by nature means supporting, and it wouldn't necessarily be supporting, to enable one from the other faction, etc.

So really, I don't think I came to a solid conclusion on this nitpicking session, and even though I set out to prove you wrong, I couldn't really, but I learned some

Anyway, I learned enough to prove you wrong in another way:

This isn't Tit for Tat.

In Tit for Tat it's Jailkeeper with scum backup, and scum rolecop with town backup. So as backup rolecop, I'd be the town one. Also, there's been no vig kills. There haven't been any kills period. So there's

that

right out the window.

But in any case, I have far more than enough reason to believe that Metal Sonic was a rolecop. If I was scum, I'd probably look to be killing him as basically confirmed town right now, by nature of my interactions with him,

not to mention

his interactions with me.

It seems beyond obvious that both he and I are town.

But then, sometimes you can't see what's right in front of your face. Anyway, I believe I've presented sufficient evidence for my town-ness such that only someone pre-inclined to believe I was scum for more reason than I can possibly refute, would think I'm scum at this point.

Either that, or they're scum themselves. Like Scorpious probably is.

At this point, if we lynch Scorpious and he's town, then either a) scum is either guessing Mala's targets PERFECTLY, or b) scum is no-killing, or c) Mala is scum.

[zakk]

UNVOTE:

PoE has me down to three candidates for the last scum, none of which are actually zakk.

lmfao my love for your slot increases.

i hated your slot at first because it was pretty hard to read.

but nobody makes posts like you've been making today, as scum.

also, you're getting excited about winning, which means you're posting in a different way. which makes it even more easy to read you as town.

you're in my good books. you should play in my next game I mod.

[zakk]

I'm trying to work through the sequence of events in my head:

D1 - We lynch Maxwell, the encryptor.
N1 - Mala JK's singer, getting lucky with no NK.
D2 - We lynch Shiro, mafia goon. Mala announces she's JK.
N2 - Mala JK's BBT, again no NK.
D3 - We lynch BBT, VT.
N3 - Mala JK's Scorp, no NK.

Knowing that BBT was town, the fact that Mala is still alive doesn't actually make sense. Why wouldn't scum have killed her N2 instead of targeting BBT, who people were scum reading?

I think if it's not Scorpious it's Mala.

And I'm beginning to get a town read on Scorpious for unknown reasons. I need to read more but

Mala's looking like scum to be quite frank.

Which would kiiiiiinda confirm my earlier suspicions, and give me blanket "I told you so" rights.

[zakk]

Scum just having a backup rolecop is way too weak.

In
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tit_for_Tat

In tit for Tat

Town has Vig and a JK. The Jk if they get the save buys back the mislynch the Vig costs town.
Scum has the rolecop.

In my scenario for here scum BRCop. Scum are more powerful in that backup role cop is a plausible claim, whereas in tit for tat its a straight up scum claim.
So here, vs tit for tat, the role cop is weaker. We don't have a vig. The JK defensively saving isnt real useful (unless they hit lots of them)

Town is weaker, so is scum.

If the game is town PR heavy whats the scum PR? That balances (JK, RCop, BRCOP, / Encrypot/ goon / ???)
nerf town. another goon? so that the rolecop are actually bait and switch, where their checks are effectively mainly meaningless.
Scum RB. ?? not sure the play since the second scum lynch matches there still being a scum RB.
???

oh, and here it is. you posted it.

lol, and i went looking, hoping to be all awesome and stuff. HA. fat chance

[zakk]

Screw it. Unless Scorp's godfather, he's town.

VOTE: Mala

wait. what.

talk to me here

i was just about to vote scorp because that is undeniably the proper play for today unless you have more information

[zakk]

i'll be on for another ten minutes or so. brb brushing teeth

[zakk]

okay mala

do you think it's even REMOTELY possible that you guessed right all three times and jailed the scum victim
do you think it's even REMOTELY possible that scum is no-killing to make you look bad (hint: you look bad)

do you think it's even REMOTELY possible that your crappy play this game during the day
in any POSSIBLE way translates to "uncannily godlike in predicting scum targets" during the night

because it looks pretty cut and dried to me. you look like scum.

[zakk]

axle, whatever, i'm done with you. you're wrong, and as long as you're happy to sit in your pile of wrongness, i'm happy to let you.

shaddowez, where are you. i'm about to go to bed and i wanted to have a good talk with you before then.

[zakk]

i mean mala why are you getting so defensive when somebody questions your honor

yet you're not rabidly pushing the last scum target yelling HA HA GOT YOUU to scorpious?

you're skatin' along on thin ice and you know it, that's why. it makes no sense otherwise

[zakk]

if you're scum i totes called it

if you're town you totes deserve my ire this game

if you really did jail scum targets 3 nights in a row, i apologize, and high five you

[zakk]

yeah okay yawn. you're boring. and predictable.

how about be useful and explain stuff to me instead of just acting like Brick from Anchorman, all I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT and in general having knowledge that everyone should be really excited to know, and yet you're still defending yourself, yelling, and being generally negative?

you're scummy. i don't feel bad saying that. you're really, really scummy. if you're town, and if we win because of you, it doesn't change the fact that you're totally, completely, scummy.

anyway, i'm going to bed. give me something to read in the morning, people

[zakk]

VOTE: Zakk

Ok so I read your case in 1380...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[zakk]

VOTE: Zakk

You don't have to be complicit in arranging your own death in order to die.

Ours is not to live, ours is to criticize the idiots who killed us wrongly.

[zakk]

Also, mala why are you voting me instead of Scorpius if you jailed him last night and nobody died?

Your play this game is laughable, as either town OR scum