NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[BananaCucho]

Hello everyone!

VOTE: I am innocent

Because I don't believe it for a second!

[BananaCucho]

aero doesnt appreciate the poignancy of my careful, poetic words

[BananaCucho]

At least you're not a bulba-freak. They will be auto lynched!

[BananaCucho]

i've never watched pokemon. I had to look up bulba, charmander and squirting your pants.

Can we play mafia now?

Sure

UNVOTE: I am innocent
VOTE: Fro99er

[BananaCucho]

Trying to make a joke vote serious? Stick to the pond, froggy

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: Banana

Hi I've never met you before what's your name?

[BananaCucho]

Trying to make a joke vote serious? Stick to the pond, froggy

Why do you keep joke voting?

Its like a few hours into the game. Bite me.

VOTE: BananaCucho
Feels the need to respond to every vote, like he's a little insecure about the fact that he's getting votes?

K.

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: BananaCucho
Feels the need to respond to every vote, like he's a little insecure about the fact that he's getting votes?

BTW this is technically false since I didn't respond to the broken charmander vote

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: BananaCucho
Feels the need to respond to every vote, like he's a little insecure about the fact that he's getting votes?

every vote against him*

Please don't start this game with yet another case of early game WIFOM when he's probably just trolling for reactions. You're already jumping at shadows and the game only just started, this isn't healthy mentally speaking for you to be so on edge.

In any case, it's pretty presumptuous for you to assume any motives from Banana's play with barely anything to go on.

I'm perfectly capable of defending myself. I don't need a lawyer.

[BananaCucho]

Alright, I feel good at least one scum is in

Banana,

Spiffeh, tn, or Axle (likely not axle, even though

all three of the others are not a fan of his entry yet arguing with each other

.....)

Bold faced lies are how you play eh? I said

nothing

about Axle. Try harder to misrepresent me please.

[BananaCucho]

Fro99er v Banana seems really weird to me idk why

What I want to know is why Frogger reacted so much to a joke vote on page 1. He scolded us for talking about pokemon on page 1 and overreacted to a joke vote on him.

[BananaCucho]

Bold votes probably wasn't a great term but the point still stands!

VOTE: BananaCucho
Feels the need to respond to every vote, like he's a little insecure about the fact that he's getting votes?

BTW this is technically false since I didn't respond to the broken charmander vote

I have read the thread twice and can't for the life of me figure out what you're referring to here.

29 is a vote for charmander (me)

[BananaCucho]

why did you change your vote to him?

i've never watched pokemon. I had to look up bulba, charmander and squirting your pants.

Can we play mafia now?

Frogged told us to cut the chatter and play mafia. I said "sure" and changed my vote to him.

[BananaCucho]

was it a better vote?

why u do it?

Do I really need to explain it more? He scolds us and says "let's play mafia already" and I say "yeah, okay" and "start playing" by voting him

Feels pretty self explanatory I don't get what you don't understand.

[BananaCucho]

Oh my god so many posts

UNVOTE: Froggy

I'm too tired for this right now but I don't support the current frogger wagon

[BananaCucho]

I'm having a really hard time following this game with all the meta talk.

I don't understand a thing that frogger's saying in all this sala/frog/pisskop debacle.

This so much.

Oh my god so many posts

UNVOTE: Froggy

I'm too tired for this right now but I don't support the current frogger wagon

be interested to hear why.

I don't feel like a lot of what he has to say is very useful itself, but he is serving a town role of confronting and poking others and getting them to post and getting conversation going which is useful for us so he's in a town role in my mind atm.

I've got a pretty solid town read on one person, so I am going to join the wagon they are on at least for the moment.

VOTE: I am innocent

[BananaCucho]

^^This meta post has been brought to you by the letter G, and the number 3!

-_-

[BananaCucho]

I honestly didn't even read the post, I was complaining about all the meta posting

But I'm being an unnecessary distraction right now so I'll stop that, sorry.

[BananaCucho]

Bold votes probably wasn't a great term but the point still stands!

Does putting an exclamation point at the end suppose to make u more believable or something?

What's the point of this post exactly? Reaching much?

[BananaCucho]

votecount 1.13

I Am Innocent (7) - Ricastle, pisskop, Salamence20, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh, Shiro, BananaCucho

Davsto (2) - Slandaar, AxleGreaser
Echo Echo (2) - Davsto, Flubbernugget
tn5421 (1) - Fro99er
Spiffeh (1) - Aeronaut
AxleGreaser (1) - Echo Echo
Ricastle (1) - I Am Innocent
Fro99er (1) - Shazam
Salamence20 (1) - MarioManiac4

Not voting (2) - VeeGee, tn5421

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is September 4, 18:10 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-04 18:10:00).

Wow 7 votes 24 hrs into the game with no counterwagon....wonder what that means lol

How about you tell us what you think this means instead of vaguely hinting at something.

[BananaCucho]

However please explain why or how you know nothing significant has happened yet or what that means.

It means that I am still null reading everyone thus for me nothing significant has happened.

This is BS

Mafia wouldn't be so blatantly hypocritical.

Wow 7 votes 24 hrs into the game with no counterwagon....wonder what that means lol

Also this. I Am Innocent seems innocent to me. The wagon sucks because it has no good reasoning behind it, and pressuring someone so content-less is pointless.

Would you like to start a counter wagon on Salamance? I could entertain that.

[BananaCucho]

UNVOTE: I am Innocent

[BananaCucho]

@mod

Salamence20 (1) - MarioManiac4, tn5421

Typo, right?

Would you like to start a counter wagon on Salamance? I could entertain that.

Really? I did start a counter wagon on Fro99er. Don't pretend like Salamence and IaI are exclusive alternatives. I have no read on Salamence.

I fail to see why you would think that's what I was implying. There's obviously other options than just those two, I was just putting forth of them.

[BananaCucho]

@I am Innocent

I don't disagree with that and I'm getting a town vibe from you, hence my unvote.

[BananaCucho]

I would think that was what you were implying because that would be the only thing relevant to my statement about IaI. If you were being relevant, you were pointing out that my being against the IaI wagon should have something to do with me voting Salamence (which I disagreed with). If it was irrelevant, fine, but you should be able to see why I thought what I did.

Alright.

@I am Innocent

I don't disagree with that and I'm getting a town vibe from you, hence my unvote.

Welcome to my town pool, (my views on IAI changed since 542) could i nterest you in voting the Shiny Davsto Wagon
Low mileage almost brand new.

Yes, I am interested.

VOTE: Davsto

[BananaCucho]

I actually like everything about BananaCucho after I voted for him (he has a post similar to Axle's and I like his Frogger progression)

Which post was that?

Oh I see this now. Context: similar to Axle's in that they criticize people for defending them.
post 45

So post 45 you think Banana is town, but that isn't what your saying in 105.

I don't get why everyone is getting so hot and bothered over my Banana vote lol

Makes me think there's something THERE!!!

unvote ricastle
vote spiffeh

Hmmmmm.

[BananaCucho]

Spiffeh (2) - Aeronaut, I am Innocent

Actually I want to entertain this first sorry

UNVOTE: Davsto
VOTE: Spiffy

[BananaCucho]

Hint hint: it is the one who has given out almost no reads vs the one who has given out all reads...

If this is what you think, put your vote where your mouth is. I don't necessarily agree with this, though. I've definitely seen scum give out all their "reads" and town active lurk.

But do the reads make sense and align more or less with your reads from a town mindset is the question

[BananaCucho]

@Banana side note: Why do you keep calling me Spiffy? I don't mind it I'm just curious.

Its a nickname I assigned you in my head. I use them for fun occasionally.

[BananaCucho]

I'm bad
VOTE: Mario

Even though he didn't state it, this is an unvote of I am Innocent.

UNVOTE: Spiffy
VOTE: Dave

[BananaCucho]

I feel good about my town read and Axle ATM. Axle, your 747 makes sense and feels like a genuine observation instead of one that was made up. I don't think that was I am Innocents intention however, as his post about Spiffy seemed like a genuine inquiry and could have just been a misunderstanding.

Your Dave train is gaining speed however and will continue to gain speed. All aboard!

[BananaCucho]

I feel good about my town read and Axle ATM. Axle, your 747 makes sense and feels like a genuine observation instead of one that was made up. I don't think that was I am Innocents intention however, as his post about Spiffy seemed like a genuine inquiry and could have just been a misunderstanding.

Your Dave train is gaining speed however and will continue to gain speed. All aboard!

Town read on I am Innocent

AND

Axle

[BananaCucho]

I feel good about my town read and Axle ATM. Axle, your 747 makes sense and feels like a genuine observation instead of one that was made up. I don't think that was I am Innocents intention however, as his post about Spiffy seemed like a genuine inquiry and could have just been a misunderstanding.

Your Dave train is gaining speed however and will continue to gain speed. All aboard!

Even spiffeh agreed with me which makes the whole axle case either a clown move or scum move. Still trying to figure that out.

It seems genuine. TvT fight. Clown move.

I wonder why he waited for me and Echo to jump on the Dave wagon to jump off of it though.

[BananaCucho]

Unvote
Vote: Dave

Plot twist!

You wete the one I followed onto the I am Innocent wagon so I like this wagon even more now.

[BananaCucho]

Also Axle's vote switch after the Dave wagon took speed gave me some uneasy feelings.

Yes I am wondering why he did that its weird

[BananaCucho]

@Axle,

I didn't have a read on spiffy. I was interested in I am Innocents observation on him and joined him in voting Spiffy

You asked me to join Dave's wagon before. I had for a second before following the spiffy idea.

Now I'm back because I wasn't reading Spiffy as scum and he unvoted the biggest wagon (a town read of mine) and you said his wagon was still shiny so I don't see why that would bother you. You jumped off when me and one other person voted Dave I believe.

[BananaCucho]

Also Axle's vote switch after the Dave wagon took speed gave me some uneasy feelings.

Well i had some.

When the ground moved. For no apparent reason.

Where did the spiffeh reads go? and why?

Just me and Echo, and then you unvoted.

[BananaCucho]

votecount 1.18

Davsto (5) - Slandaar, BananaCucho, Echo Echo, Sakura Hana, Salamence20

For those of you keeping score at home, this was me, Echo, Slandaar and Axle when Axle jumped ship

[BananaCucho]

Oops :-/

[BananaCucho]

I gave my reason. I work during the day and this game moves too fast to keep up with at work and don't feel like going back and analyzing every single post this game as its moving so fast. So I am currently sheeped my town reads. First Sakura, then you, then I am Innocent, then you again.

I didn't vote Dave for no apparent reason. I even gave you my reason and you quoted it so I know you know there's a reason even if you don't agree with it.

[BananaCucho]

I also didn't vote Spiffy because he was voting I am Innocent, I voted him because I felt I am Innocent caught him in a contradiction that I had missed.

[BananaCucho]

Regardless the movement of both wagons is gonna be interesting after flips for some VCA later down the road IMO. So I like that a situation like this happened.

Agreed.

[BananaCucho]

Also Axle, did it bother you this much when I am Innocents wagon grew so quickly for no apparent reason in the first place?

(BTW this is a genuine question, not an accusation because I don't remember and that's a lot ofnposts to go through and I'm curious of the answer)

[BananaCucho]

A three vote wagon losing two votes is hardly an evaporation

A two vote wagon getting two votes sure you could say that was a bone but I think you're exaggerating a bit

What you're saying doesn't lessen what it looks like but I'll give you the benefit of tbe doubt because this argument is quickly becoming pointless.

[BananaCucho]

Catching up

Even though he didn't state it, this is an unvote of I am Innocent.

UNVOTE: Spiffy
VOTE: Dave

So just because I unvoted for someone that makes you change your mind?

I wasn't scum reading you in the first place. I had no reason to stay on your wagon. Read my latest posts please.

[BananaCucho]

Ooooooooo I'm such a popular topic of conversation I love it

[BananaCucho]

Axle, I really want to believe you are town and just reaching but boy you are making it difficult. You are wasting your time on this if you are town.

Look at the timing that you are freaking out about. Echo's first post today is at 5:38 MST (my local time). His vote is at 5:53, 15 minutes after he responds to a prod

Prod received! I was busy all day yesterday.

Also, I need to make my vote matter.

Joining a wagon.

VOTE: Dave

My first post and vote was at 5:46, after I did a quick read through after getting off of work at 5.

I'm bad
VOTE: Mario

Even though he didn't state it, this is an unvote of I am Innocent.

UNVOTE: Spiffy
VOTE: Dave

You are stating "woah all these votes at once!" to

two votes

to someone

responding to a prod

and to someone who

hadn't posted since around 9 pm the previous night

.

You. Are. Reaching.

[BananaCucho]

Good work Slippy

Dave lynch it is

[BananaCucho]

inb4 fraggernaut yells at me for more preflip stuff

I like preflip analysis I don't understand the stigma I saw in my first game on the site of pre flip analysis

[BananaCucho]

I think I'm really tired if that's the case but I'm pretty sure that bothered you before but I could be wrong. You probably dropped that and I didn't realize it

I'll revisit tomorrow

[BananaCucho]

Dave's reaction to pointing out Axle as not being confirmed town regarding his flip actually is giving me pause. Last night Froggy and Sakuras thought process made sense to me and I'm town reading both of them so I was cool about it, but Dave's right I mean if he flips town Axle is seen as town for jumping off a town wagon - I feel this doesn't confirm Axle as town but actually draws more suspicion in my mind because he as scum would know whether Dave is town or not.

When banana jumped ,the only two vote on your wagon were Slaandar and then me. Your wagon had been static for very long time.

Was it? Huh, I could have sworn there were more people.

Ignore my scumread on Banana, apparently I didn't pay enough attention. Sorry about that.

This is also giving me pause. You recognized that you misread into something and redacted your earlier thought, unlike Axle who overexaggerated his viewpoint when questioned about it (regarding the same sequence of events) and stuck with it. You haven't had many other townie posts but this one gets town points for sure.

It might be slowish at work so I'll entertain other possible wagons as well but for the time being

UNVOTE: Dave

[BananaCucho]

Thats a lot of justification for a vote swap

Who me?

[BananaCucho]

Thats a lot of justification for a vote swap

Like seriously if this is directed at me I don't know what to say. I'm trying to show everyone a

clear

reason for my unvote this time (since last time I wasn't as clear I had to explain it later anyway) so that we can avoid any unnecessary distractions in the actual scum hunting that we should be doing. The more time we waste looking into nothing the more time we lose finding scum.

[BananaCucho]

I am okay with that Sakura.

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: Mario

[BananaCucho]

Oh hey I finally picked up the crumb. That's cool

[BananaCucho]

That's like 8 or 9 votes right?

[BananaCucho]

Dave was on the wagon and defected and went back on the same post. I counted him twice at first so I think it was eight, now seven with Spiffys unvote

[BananaCucho]

UNVOTE: Mario
Did anyone else think that wagon grew a little fast :/

No. Dave was showing a townie side people defected from his wagon onto Mario. I see no problem with the speed especially given the short(er than normal) deadline that is approaching.

[BananaCucho]

Seriously though was anyone else turned off by the progression of that wagon though?
I always get cold feet which is why I am asking.

Nawp. Felt natural. If he flips town we'll revisit but I'm okay with this lynch happening whenever.

[BananaCucho]

Yeah there's no rush either. Pikachu will return.

[BananaCucho]

Why did we leave dave again? is it because scum prodded it?

Because Dave's reaction to his wagon and imminent lynch felt town. That's why I left it.

[BananaCucho]

All of this chatter about Salamance is pointless atm until we see whether his claim and threats are legit.

[BananaCucho]

And if i am fakeclaiming ARSONIST, would it really make you think Im scum?

Has he played with you before

Yes but we cant talk about it

I don't meta read people for one game anyway.

[BananaCucho]

I don't pretend to know what's going on in your head. I'll be interested to see if they die and if they don't we'll talk about your fakeclaim day 2.

[BananaCucho]

All of this chatter about Salamance is pointless atm until we see whether his claim and threats are legit.

Once day 2 starts we'll know. Until then it's pointless speculation.

[BananaCucho]

Are you planning on trying to wagon me tomorrow if they somehow dont die?

Are you trying to get a feel for whether you can get away with not pulling the trigger even though you've threatened to? Or seeing what positioning you can take if your claim is fake?

Your move. Pull the trigger or don't, I'm not telling you my opinion of your claim until day 2.

[BananaCucho]

Are you planning on trying to wagon me tomorrow if they somehow dont die?

Are you trying to get a feel for whether you can get away with not pulling the trigger even though you've threatened to? Or seeing what positioning you can take if your claim is fake?

Your move. Pull the trigger or don't, I'm not telling you my opinion of your claim until day 2.

Im not scared because after tonight Im going to be hopefully town as fuck

Ok.

[BananaCucho]

Self confirming using self meta is stupid though. You shouldn't have to explain that you're town by pushing your own meta. Your actions should show that you're town.

[BananaCucho]

And to everyone besides you, it does!

I never gave a read on you yet so I don't know why you would say this.

[BananaCucho]

Echo

[BananaCucho]

Read davsti's ISO and not convinced he's scum
Although the vote on banana and ne in one post felt weird

VOTE: davsto

I get a townvibe from pretty much everyone except this guy and the post where he voted me anf banana felt fake

Quite a change, don't you think? From a "not convinced he's scum" to what is essentially an OMGUS vote?

Good catch Dave! Feeling even more confident in switching wagons.

[BananaCucho]

^^Meaning in my switch off of Dave onto Mario, that is.

[BananaCucho]

I mean you know you are going to flip town(eventually)

?

If Mario flips town I want to revisit this. This is twice now I've felt uneasy with Axle, the first time being when he jumped off the Dave wagon as it started to take off.

[BananaCucho]

Maybe you're right.

[BananaCucho]

lol if Mario was L-1 right now ika would hammer

[BananaCucho]

I don't pretend to know what's going on in your head. I'll be interested to see if they die and

if

they don't we'll talk about your fakeclaim day 2.

You think its a fakeclaim and there's a chance someone will die? Please explain

If they don't die its a fake claim. I didn't explicitly state whether I think the claim is real or fake atm.

[BananaCucho]

Salamance is here and Mario claimed VT

Hammer time!

[BananaCucho]

vote: mario

That's a hammer

Sala go

[BananaCucho]

Wait nvm

[BananaCucho]

Wait yes, yes it is

Hurry up

[BananaCucho]

FIREGA: TN

Are you vivi or something XD

I love you for this reference

[BananaCucho]

FIREGA: TN

Are you vivi or something XD

Lulu

Boooooo

[BananaCucho]

Summon: Bahamut

[BananaCucho]

Bah!!!!!!

Good luck town!