Mini 1714: Justified Season 2 Mafia (Endgame)

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i am a bomb. discuss.

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lld, i really don't care if you approve of what how i choose to play. don't be a jackass about it though.

vote: scorpious

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chamber, it's fairly standard. first time a killing role, or roles, targets me, we both/all die. boom.

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possibly. but now scum have to deal with whether or not they want to believe me. i also didn't feel like dredging though anything resembling rvs this game so i decided to fast forward. as lld so eloquently put it, it might not have been the optimal play, but whatever.

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meaningless empty content generated around my role is no more meaningless empty content generated around an rvs. it does create a talking point, though. and im of the belief that scum want to avoid awkward, contentious material early on. take scorpious for example.

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VOTE: LLD for the reasons above, I guess?
You are not RVSing me? Then what are you even talking about? What makes my post a "scum post"? What questions am I avoiding? You are full of shit. You are making content-less arguments that look like scum hunting but aren't.

Call it OMGUS all you want but you are going too far to be in a rational town mindset. What did scorp do that Untrod didn't do?

You are too certain too early on.

I call that scum play. I think there is more evidence for that than there is for scorp or anyone else.

Beyond that, I have shit to do at 4:30 in the afternoon. I am not going to be able to answer right away. You have bad reasons for FoSing people.

first thing that popped into my head after reading this.

unvote;
vote: i_am_not_varsoon

i like this better than scorpious right now, but i would still like for him [scorpious] to respond.

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every time i read 36 there is no way i can say that that post is genuine.

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chamber, which of his posts do you think are being blown out of proportion? and what led you to ut?

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okay. so where are you at now with formulating reads?

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shinobi, what do you think of #36?

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im just asking for your opinion on the post given the context of everything.

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that clearly is not the post i was meaning to post to. wtf?

#36, try this?

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the increduality is just too much over the top. beyond that, im having a hard time believing that he is a brand new player. combination of username and avatar lead me to this conclusion. i don't think that is too far of an assumption. so the whole "i don't know what's going on" shtick just doesn't ring genuine to me.

other than that i think the main issue i have is when he asks "what did scorp do that ut didn't do?" it just seems like a throwaway question with no real intent other than to possibly deflect/mislead/confuse.

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i mean working under this assumption could lead me to false positives or whatever words we want to use here.

where's your head at as far as scum, shinobi?

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chamber, by ut being coasting scum do you possibly mean that you think ut is just following lld's lead?

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that was l-1, if i can add correctly.

unvote;

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i think dwlee is town also.

me.

im bad at this.

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i think dwlee is town also.

This post bugs me. Scum can give town reads flawlessly, scum can't give scum reads. Therefore I think it's more valuable to give scum reads, imo.

i'll explain if you really want me to, but this is not true at all.

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same person. i alt slipped, dwlee.

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just because some people still seem to be confused this is an alt. Konowa is my main. i alt slipped. nothing more nothing less.

scorpious, i already answered that question as to why. posts 22 and 29. why is me trying to "survive a few days" more likely than what i said? do you think im lying about my role?

the lack of vote is also worth noting.

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and now the first question. why is me "trying to survive a few days", not trying to win the game, as scum more likely than what i stated as my motivation. if i wanted to survive for a few days why not wait until d2/3/4 or whatever and claim then. if you think im scum, what do you think of lld then who says she thinks im town? does that make her scum? like you're looking at things at a very superficial level and i can't tell if your town in over their head or scum just playing up the newb card.

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like, what do any of your theory questions gain you in terms of alignment. what does asking pops if that specific post was snark gain you in terms of you forming a read on pops. half of your questions are like this.

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exactly my point. you're forming "reads" but not really questioning the why of what anyone is doing.

have you ever seen anyone roleclaim in their first post?

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vote: popsofctown

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Vinkah, why the naked vote?
Cat hasn't given any readoning for a pops lynch but you quite blindly follow it.

i actually hadn't given any though into sorting pops before catboi came along. that plus 209 was godawful.

catboi, if pops is scum, scorpious likely isn't scum with him though. y/n?

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dwlee, short answer is that pops is marginalizing/trivializing (take your pick) chamber's ingame content based solely on a theory post without actually addressing any of chamber's ingame content.

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i'll get to other stuff later.

after chinese. and vodka.

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dwlee, short answer is that pops is marginalizing/trivializing (take your pick) chamber's ingame content based solely on a theory post without actually addressing any of chamber's ingame content.

i can probably further this to make it clearer.

chamber, as far as i remember, has always been very minimalistic in playstyle. so, for me, pops saying that chamber's ingame content is lacking in comparison to a mafia theory post has -zero- town motivation.

there's also the whole "chamber taking a middle of the read in regards to !Varsoon, but i don't see why he's taking a middle of the road to me" crap. something something not mutually exclusive something something.

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that last post was hard.

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phantom wagon just feels like one of those usual D1 pile on wagons for shit reasons.

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I can't remember any game I've played with chamber so I'm not reading him in context of any sort of meta.

meta has nothing to do with what i said. remove meta from the equation, you're still basing the reason for why chamber is an increasingly good lynch based off of a theory post. let's let that all settle for a moment. let the heartburn resonate in your chest.

I'm not a fan of 14 days of bickering back and forth where the only ones that know anything are scum. A flip gives us something to use. Imo the best use of an inactive player..

everyone has used more or less the same reasoning for voting phantom. what will that tell you if he flips either alignment? even if phantom flips scum there is absolutely nothing you can garner from d1 play regarding phantom and to act otherwise is dumb.

pedit: by some small miracle, im not fucking gambiting with my claim. guarantee there is a vig in this setup. lynch someone else, fucking put a bullet in phantom's head.

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or an sk, but i'll figure that shit out later.

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shoot me and find out.

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also to be fair to myself i was going off my role which says that if multiple people target me in one night they all die. but whatever.

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no i know exactly what you are talking about.

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i also don't believe cdb would allow some modslip to that extent, nor the reviewers to allow a modslip like that.

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but again, if you don't believe me, shoot me. guarantee there is a non-mafia kill in this game.

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Did vinkah just scumslip? My win condition makes it clear that there is no SK in this setup.

also to be fair to myself i was going off my role which says that if multiple people target me in one night they all die. but whatever.

I don't think you realize the role you're fakeclaiming isn't always town aligned.

By telling us you looked at your role pm with some amount of scrutiny it suggests even more you don't have the modslip that strongly suggests there's no SK in the setup.

vote: Vinkah

Kind of a lame way to win, though.

these two reactions are kind of meh considering the sample role town pm is in the opening post.

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If you were a town PGO, why the hell would you be trying to kill the vig by asking to get vigged rather than lynched??

dont be obtuse.

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I'm not a PGO. I don't die if non killing roles target me. I never once claimed PGO. I explicitly claimed my role and what my role did.

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chamber, what would be the most recent reason he [pops] suspected you as scum then, as you referred to in #222?

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okay chamber. so which post of yours that pops suspected you for did you think to yourself was a scummy post but fuck it im town?

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okay, im lost.

going to go drink now.

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put a bullet between his eyes.

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this wagon is as dumb as pops is being obtuse.

L-1 on low fucking hanging fruit.

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i thought the chamber/pops interaction was weirder to be honest. i don't know if it's scum/scum though.

i really don't have a strong read outside of pops.
shinobi? maybe ut?

what of pops early posts did you like? i don't remember any of them off hand to be anything other than comments based on the context of the conversation at the given time that didn't really do anything?

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in a vacuum, no. in the context of everything else, it makes sense.

kind of like you snipping that one line out of the entire post.

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i can't even at this point. in regards to CDB and pops.

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thought i posted this earlier.

going to be v/la till the weekend. testing for regional barcompetition tomorrow. actual flair part of competition is thursday. then partying with people from south carolina to philly friday down in DC.

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i think i remember saying i was going to be v/la unable to post till at least today, but whatever.

pops is still scum. his continued play of taking things out of context and fitting his own narrative is not town at all.
his vote for chamber is gross too considering #447.

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i think i've played with xtoxm a few times and have never been able to successfully read that style of play.
i don't know if i would be opposed to it, but i kind of want to see what his reads are before i get my ass off this fence.

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do you disagree with a pops lynch, shinobi?

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Dwlee,Vinkah,and you..

have you ever expanded on this or why you aren't pressuring any of us?

i suck at this alt shit. sorry.

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prodded. ill get to this today.