NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:30 pm

Do you realize that if Axle was scum with spiffeh i would be hammered by now?

P-Edit: but that name sounds ugly :< also DGB is a she.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:03 pm

It's not me orz
It's at the very least 1 of Shazam/Echo and im still leaning both.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:36 pm

In post 3714, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3712, Sakura Hana wrote:It's not me orz
It's at the very least 1 of Shazam/Echo and im still leaning both.

Which is scummiest and why? If you could only pick one...

Most likely Echo at this point, i find his play the previous day and today really odd, he CC'd the mason yesterday and today he's blindly accepting your VCA as the law of god.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:37 pm

In post 3713, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3712, Sakura Hana wrote:It's not me orz
It's at the very least 1 of Shazam/Echo and im still leaning both.

So they both parked on ika while the town was lynching Davsto?

Hmm, this is a good point, while i have seen full town on town wagons (hey once i was the victim of one too) i do agree it only happens really low ammount of the times (like 2% or so?)

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:39 pm

meh, i guess this is the best bet actually
VOTE: Echo

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:49 pm

What's new, you see everything i do as scummy.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:03 pm

What's exactly scummy about voting the one i scumread the most out of the 2 after DBG convinced me they can't be scum together =/ you're starting to worry me with your definitions of "scummy"

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:08 pm

Because of what DGB said, it means that the whole wagon on Davsto was full of town, with both scum parking on ika.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:14 pm

In post 3725, Spiffeh wrote:Why is that entirely out of the realm of possibility?

Well, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility, but the chance is like... very low, if anything about 2% if i say, do you think mislynch wagons have a decent chance of having zero scum in them?

In post 3725, Spiffeh wrote:Who is the other scum then?

I'm still thinking about that one orz

Point is, i think Echo's scummier than Shazam due to all the points brought by Axle, i didnt have an issue with my vote on Shazam because i thought they were scum together, but what DGB said puts an axe into that theory, and im not ready to lose the game because im voting the weakest scumread of the 2. Specially without Axle here to vote him because i doubt whoever is his partner would bus.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:15 pm

In post 3727, Sakura Hana wrote:Specially without Axle here to vote him because i doubt whoever is his partner would bus.

^
This is in the supposed scenario of a Shazam scum.

(Speaking of, im still open for No Lynch if you guys want to wait for Axle to get back)

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:17 pm

In post 3726, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 3621, Sakura Hana wrote:Axle - Defends me and sees exactly through my eyes, understands my position and continues to hard defend me.
Spiffeh - Indecisive, keeps saying im scum, but at the very least it isnt blindly following the argument, he doesn't want to make a mistake.
DGB - Keeps trying to sort everything out to solve the game.

I mean here it looks like you're more or less town reading everyone left itg.

And yes i am aware of that, but at that point i didnt realize what a scumteam of Shazam/Echo would imply, which means im going wrong somewhere.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:21 pm

In post 3730, Spiffeh wrote:I still don't understand why, from your PoV, scum wouldn't be able to identify that town are mislynching and just be off the wagon?

That's literally what tn did on Day 1 with the Mario wagon. There is precedence.

Ugh, hold on let me look at the deadline.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:25 pm

In post 1297, pieguyn wrote:
MarioManiac4
(10) -
Davsto
,
Slandaar
,
Shiro
,
Sakura Hana,

BananaCucho
, Shazam,
Salamence20
,
Ricastle
, Spiffeh,
pisskop

Huh interesting.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:28 pm

So 2 out of (Shazam, Echo, spiffeh) are scum.
If Shazam is scum with Echo, Mario wagon had a scum on it.
If Shazam is scum with spiffeh, both had scum on it
If Echo is scum with Spiffe, both had scum on it too.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:29 pm

That doesnt help me decide tho aaagh @_@ literally any of you 3 i vote has a 33% chance of losing the game orz

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:31 pm

In post 3730, Spiffeh wrote:That's literally what tn did on Day 1 with the Mario wagon. There is precedence.

Wait a second, what do you mean by this, i don't see tn there.........
Unless you mean his last second drop off the wagon?
Isn't that what Echo did with Davsto yesterday?

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:32 pm

In post 3735, Spiffeh wrote:Why exactly are Axle and DGB out of the running for scum in your eyes but I'm back in the pool?

I was trying to understand what you meant by the Mario wagon. I misunderstood what you were telling me.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:34 pm

Ugh idk, everything you guys say makes sense and it's making my head spin...... ugh i hate XyLo

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:37 pm

In post 3739, Spiffeh wrote:I h8 this

me too, specially because i know that my death = town loss.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:44 pm

Yeah with replies like this:

In post 3608, Echo Echo wrote:What would you like to hear about?

My VCA got busted, and you replaced Frogger, a townread of mine (independent of my VCA), and are a renowned VCA user. I'm sheeping you, because I am a firm believer of the merits of VCA.

I don't even u.u
His V/LA supposedly ends tomorrow (or today for me since it's already past midnight) so i hope we hear something.

Sakura Hana · Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:47 pm

UNVOTE:
Im worried about being wrong and im going to sleep soon.
Don't want any funny QHs while im not around.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:12 am

I'm here now

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:15 am

Echo: Have you read Axle's 3678 ?
This is the kind of thing why i think you're scum. He pointed out flaws in DGB's scumputer, and not with the scumputer itself (while that already has it's own flaws), but the fact that she's skewing results. Yet you're still following that blindly.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:21 am

Granted tho, im not sure if DGB's skewing results intentionally or not (Axle thinks it's intentional), and im not ready here to lose the game on blindly following him or anyone.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:27 am

In post 3790, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3786, Sakura Hana wrote:Granted tho, im not sure if DGB's skewing results intentionally or not (Axle thinks it's intentional), and im not ready here to lose the game on blindly following him or anyone.

I don't think >>>I<<< am blindly following my own results so...

I was talking about echo blindly following them not you, also im talking about blindly following Axle (i.e. Axle saying you're scum for skewing the results), unless you meant something else here, in which case, please clarify.
Also i saw your question spiffeh, gun to my head i still think Shazam, but i need to think about it i just came back from a job interview (and now i have a job, a part-time one, but it's better than nothing.)

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:32 am

In post 3795, Spiffeh wrote:Yay congrats Sakura!

Thanks ^_^

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:52 am

In post 3774, Spiffeh wrote:I think him just popping in to defend himself and not do any scum hunting is bad.

Isn't this what echo is doing too today btw? Well technically Echo's not even defending himself either all he's doing is defending his reasoning for voting me, which if he was really convinced of it, he would be more inclined to push me instead of "oh im just voting her because DGB said so with her VCA"

Ugh really, i still think both Echo and Shazam are scum, im just nervous because it's MyLo orz

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:51 am

In post 3801, Shazam wrote:I am confident that the team is Echo and Sakura

So Echo's busing his partner with very poor reasoning instead of attempting to get a mislynch on MyLo, did I get that right?

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:55 am

In post 3803, DrippingGoofball wrote:Shazam/Echo scumteam?

If this is the team (and is the one im currently believing it is) then we aren't getting Shazam lynched today unless his partner (Echo) buses due to Axle's vote being on Echo.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:58 am

In post 3805, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't mind lynching Echo - maybe Axle doesn't mind lynching Shazam - I suppose we can discuss when he comes back.

He comes back past deadline orz

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:58 am

Or rather on the day of the deadline, there's no guarantee he'll be here before the deadline.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:59 am

The other option is no lynching since it's MyLo, which i suggested way back at the start.

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:45 pm

Hey, that's a nice idea, that way Echo can't back out from Busing, GJ Spiffeh.
VOTE: Shazam

Sakura Hana · Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:34 pm

This is getting creepy, and im starting to get scared...

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:17 am

In post 3817, Echo Echo wrote:DGB, what is the accuracy rate of your Scumputer? What is your projected accuracy rating for this game?

In post 3818, Echo Echo wrote:I'm asking this because it's fucking wrong for me to be trusting you more than you trust yourself.

Why you only realize this only after i had asked you why you were blindly following and spiffeh said that whoever doesnt vote Shazam is his partner?

In post 3821, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3819, Shazam wrote:
In post 3802, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3801, Shazam wrote:I am confident that the team is Echo and Sakura

So Echo's busing his partner with very poor reasoning instead of attempting to get a mislynch on MyLo, did I get that right?

Sure, why not? It's worked out pretty well if you ask me. In light of that, I have figured out that the only way to lynch someone other than me (and thereby give town a chance of winning) is to vote Echo first. My only hope is if the two of you who seem to think it's Echo and me (or at least that it could be) will vote Echo first.

VOTE: Echo Echo

Fuck
you.

VOTE: Shazam

So finally gave up mislynching me? that was a really interesting OMGUS vote (or a bus)

In post 3835, Spiffeh wrote:Scum is bussing as we speak.

Just not certain which of you is the scum bussing,.

But whichever one retracts their vote will make it obvious so they're now forced into bussing.

I'm pretty sure is Echo/Shazam at this point, look at how they decided to crossbus right at the end, i lol'd specifically at Echo putting DGB's into doubt ONLY after you said that whoever didnt vote Shazam was his partner.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 am

In post 3838, Echo Echo wrote:Sakura, if Shazam isn't scum with you, you've won. Good job.

He's not, he's scum with you.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:20 am

In post 3840, Echo Echo wrote:You know that's wrong.

Why would I?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:21 am

Spiffeh wants your partner dead today. I don't mind since both of you are scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:23 am

What's the point of those posts... they are just midslinging -_-
Anyway i need to shower and stuff.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:23 am

I think you just wanted to provoke me into voting you.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:26 am

In post 3848, Echo Echo wrote:the rest of your play looks only mediocre at best, and plainly scum motivated.

Well others disagree.

What's with the provoking me to vote you, is your plan to taunt me so i vote you so spiffeh and DGB lynch me?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:43 am

Spiffeh: What do you think of Echo provoking me into voting him and him not caring about Shazam's alignment and just either "blindly sheeping DGB" or "blindly sheeping bearbert"?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:45 am

Although if Shazam's town, the only scumteams that make sense are Me/Echo and DGB/Spiffeh (i think?), and i know it's not the first, and on the 2nd i would've been hammered...

So Shazam's

Confirmed Scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:52 am

Unless I missed a pairing, Shazam's Confirmed scum.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:03 am

deadline is in 26 hours.... not 6 hours.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:22 am

In post 3873, DrippingGoofball wrote:tadatadatadata
ratatatatatata

VOTE: Shazam

YES

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:27 am

Haha, nah i'm just kidding, wanted to see spiffeh's and DGB's reaction just to be 100% sure this was a scum lynch.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:33 am

Well at least I AM reassured now, at least i know it wasn't Echo + either of you 2.
I figured if i missed a pairing that made Shazam town would be Echo + either of you.
Sorry if i scared you

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:36 am

In post 3887, Spiffeh wrote:*hyperventilates*

Why did i picture corpse party (the game) when i read this

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:46 am

In post 3891, Echo Echo wrote:Kill me please. I'm a one-shot doctor.

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed there?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:54 am

In post 3894, Echo Echo wrote:He should be online at around this moment.

*She

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:56 am

In post 3893, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3892, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3891, Echo Echo wrote:Kill me please. I'm a one-shot doctor.

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed there?

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed in 3876?

Well EXCUSE ME for wanting to make sure this was a scum lynch.

Like seriously is mudsling all you know?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:56 am

In post 3896, Echo Echo wrote:Whatever, scumface. If Shazam isn't your partner, take your win.

^
Spoken like a true scum

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:00 am

In post 3900, Echo Echo wrote:How do you know that Shazam's scum? Even I don't. A reasonable town wouldn't. You railing about him being "confirmed scum" is the exact reason why I think you're the true "confirmed scum" in the first place.

I already pointed out why, there's guaranteed 1 scum among you and Shazam.
If Shazam is town then that means you're guaranteed scum, but then your partner would have to be someone outside, the scumteam isnt DGB/Spiffeh because i would've been hammered, and neither of them is scum with you for their reaction to my reaction test "victory cry"

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:02 am

In post 3902, Sakura Hana wrote:reaction test "victory cry"

^
Make sure you finish reading before mudslinging, might trip on your own mud.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:02 am

In post 3903, Echo Echo wrote:First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know"

Yeah because town totally mudslings.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:03 am

In post 3908, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3907, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3902, Sakura Hana wrote:reaction test "victory cry"

^
Make sure you finish reading before mudslinging, might trip on your own mud.

Whatever. Only town mudslings anyway.

Yeah no.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:04 am

In post 3910, Echo Echo wrote:How does one even trip on mud anyway?

I don't know i thought it sounded funny, but you know what i meant anyway.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:04 am

In post 3912, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3903, Echo Echo wrote:First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know"

Yeah because town totally mudslings.

If you genuinely thought I was scum, "mudsling" isn't an appropriate word.

See, you're scum.

Isn't that the word for when people try to throw dirt on others to make them look scummy?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:07 am

In post 3916, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3915, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3912, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3909, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3903, Echo Echo wrote:First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know"

Yeah because town totally mudslings.

If you genuinely thought I was scum, "mudsling" isn't an appropriate word.

See, you're scum.

Isn't that the word for when people try to throw dirt on others to make them look scummy?

Except... you ARE scummy. I'm townier than you are. Technically, you're mudslinging me.

You've been trying to ensure the lynch of town (me) for BS reasons.
You tried to out the Mason by fake claiming Mason.
How is that town.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:08 am

In post 3921, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3919, DrippingGoofball wrote:I hope I don't live to have to pick between the two of you tomorrow.

Just run the scumputer again.

^
Suposed scumputer had Shazam as one of the least likely scum, who you're so certian it's flipping scum, yet you're trusting it because you know it puts me as most suspicious, gj there.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:08 am

In post 3925, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3922, Sakura Hana wrote:You've been trying to ensure the lynch of town (me) for BS reasons.

Oh really. But Spiffeh made the reasons. DGB made the reasons. Are you calling their reasons BS?

And now you're deflecting, are you srs.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:20 am

In post 3929, Echo Echo wrote:the top scorer and lowest scorer were the scummiest.

So Axle? v

In post 3404, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't see a missing kill. I have a hard time believing that you have a passive BP mixed in with two active abilities. Claim all your targets now. It's Day 7. You have 6 nights to account for.

From most suspicious to least

9 Sakura Hana

8
+ bus'ed by Firebringer
Spiffeh

5 Echo
5 Shazam
4 Shiro
4 Axle

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:22 am

In post 3928, Echo Echo wrote:It's so funny. I lynched tn by hopping on and drawing attention to him, and Spiffeh made the case. All you needed to do was to claim "tracker" on a player whom you voted along with during some day, and magically you look town. Tell me, which is easier? Fake claim a guilty on a partner, or voting them and hoping it magically goes in my favor?

Yeah, because scum me would totally draw a lynch away from town onto their partner with a fake claim

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:30 am

In post 3936, Echo Echo wrote:Fake claims are so easy to do. No effort required. Lazy.

Just like your mason fake claim right? which got ika dead

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:35 am

In post 3938, Echo Echo wrote:Yeah, I was on V/LA. That's my excuse.

Oh and apparently you can be on V/LA and i cant get demotivated because ppl dont want to lynch obvscum on Day 4? Apparently everything only applies to you?

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:36 am

In post 3941, Echo Echo wrote:That's the strange thing. You didn't out your "guilty result". How was he "obvscum" again?

I was trying to get him lynched WITHOUT outing the guilty result, i made a case on him having cognitive dissoance but people were just like "nuuu he's just VI"

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:37 am

In your case, your fake claim got ika killed.
My claim got scum dead, on a day that they were lynching town.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:42 am

In post 3945, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3943, Sakura Hana wrote:In your case, your fake claim got ika killed.
My claim got scum dead, on a day that they were lynching town.

HMMMM

I wonder which is more scum motivated. The long-term fake-claim, or the short-term one. This one truly is tricky.

obviously the one where ika died

@Everyone: Please read Axle's case on Echo scum, thanks, i need to start getting ready for work.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:44 am

In post 3946, Echo Echo wrote:Your case doesn't make too much sense, you see, after Frogger had already singled out the mason to be either me or ika... if you think I'm scum, why did I have to fake claim mason to figure out that he's scum?

Oh so now it's because frogger said one of you 2 was the last Mason, what if ika wasn't? What if you didn't believe it? there are a lot of variables there. You still haven't explained why would i offer up my partner in exchange of a mislynch with a fake guilty, and my role has been explained why it makes perfect sense in the setup.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:44 am

In post 3948, Echo Echo wrote:A true feat befitting for a man.

I'm a woman

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:45 am

Anyway i need to get ready for my first day of work.

Sakura Hana · Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:47 am

In post 3951, Echo Echo wrote:
In post 3949, Sakura Hana wrote:You still haven't explained why would i offer up my partner in exchange of a mislynch with a fake guilty, and my role has been explained why it makes perfect sense in the setup.

Because it'll give you a lot of towncred that you can coast on to win the game? I'm sure that's quite obvious. After it has been pointed out that your actions surrounding your guilty and "demotivated" don't quite make much sense.

Except it didnt because Spiffeh still wants to lynch me? Spiffeh still thinks im scum? DGB almost lynched me too? Much towncred, very wow

P-Edit: Dealing with Excel spreadsheets and analyzing data and stuff. Anyway cya ^_^

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:04 am

In post 3963, Spiffeh wrote:How do we know they're not all goons?

Because how else did fire didnt die from sala's shot.
Anyway
VOTE: Echo
Unless DGB is scum (doubt it because of her play D7) or Spiffeh (Dat super bus D7 so doubtful too), it's obvious to me who the last scum is.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:36 am

In post 3970, Spiffeh wrote:Sakura what do you think about the kill on Axle?

I don't really like to rely on night kill analysis because i've always thought of it was WIFOM. I mean it COULD be because Echo wanted Axle out of the way so he could lynch me more easily, it COULD be random, it COULD be because Axle was being treated as conftown by DGB, I DONT KNOW! so many reasons for him to die.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:37 am

In post 3971, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3967, Sakura Hana wrote:Because how else did fire didnt die from sala's shot.

What is that?

If scum was all goons then Fire would have died from Sala's shot unless interference from a town doctor (which they'd have claimed by now), so it's possible that the last scum is a doctor, which is what we've been speculating all game.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:39 am

In post 3977, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3974, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3971, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3967, Sakura Hana wrote:Because how else did fire didnt die from sala's shot.

What is that?

If scum was all goons then Fire would have died from Sala's shot unless interference from a town doctor (which they'd have claimed by now), so it's possible that the last scum is a doctor, which is what we've been speculating all game.

So scum would ONLY have a doctor???

Considering how all the town power minus the gunsmith is limited yes, and even then, a doctor would be like a godfather to a gunsmith, counter to 2 roles with 1.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:40 am

That said lemme check something.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:42 am

Hmm yeah, nevermind i thought i'd find something on the wiki, but yeah, seems like that'd be the most plausible scenario.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:57 am

In post 3985, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3867, Sakura Hana wrote:Although if Shazam's town, the only scumteams that make sense are Me/Echo and DGB/Spiffeh (i think?), and i know it's not the first, and on the 2nd i would've been hammered...

So Shazam's
Confirmed Scum.

With Shazam dead scum, what have we got on this front?

Who im voting obviously.
I already mentioned why i didnt think you or Spiffeh were scum yesterday. And i made certain of it with my reaction test at the end of yesterday.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:08 pm

In post 3987, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3986, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3985, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3867, Sakura Hana wrote:Although if Shazam's town, the only scumteams that make sense are Me/Echo and DGB/Spiffeh (i think?), and i know it's not the first, and on the 2nd i would've been hammered...

So Shazam's
Confirmed Scum.

With Shazam dead scum, what have we got on this front?

Who im voting obviously.
I already mentioned why i didnt think you or Spiffeh were scum yesterday. And i made certain of it with my reaction test at the end of yesterday.

Does it say anything about YOU?

Uh no?
Why would i be scumhunting myself who i know to be town? :<

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 3989, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3988, Sakura Hana wrote:Why would i be scumhunting myself who i know to be town? :<

LOL I mean what should it say about you from my POV?

That's kinda hard since i don't know what's going through your mind, Shazam was confirmed scum from my PoV at that point, since for me it's obvious at least 1 or both of of Shazam and Echo were scum, with Shazam flipping scum, that means that the last scum could be anywhere, and that's where your own reads come into play and what you think of each player, If i was in your position then since you think Echo's scum because of behaviour and i'm scum because of role, then i'd think the scummy behaviour would be the one that's most likely to flip scum. And you already said:

In post 3962, DrippingGoofball wrote:So. Spiffeh is conftown.

So there you have it.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:43 pm

I wish spiffeh would ask me questions too...

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:46 pm

Oh wait he did ask me a question that i already answered, derp.
Well i still wish i'd be asked more questions.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:27 pm

In post 3996, Echo Echo wrote:Okay, that was unexpected. I legitimately did not think that Shazam was scum. Lol.

Yet you voted him...
What.
That doesn't make sense

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:40 pm

I think he's just wanting to dissasociate himself from Shazam.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:08 pm

In post 4010, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Davsto (5) - ika, AxleGreaser, Spiffeh,
Sakura Hana
, Davsto
ika (2) -
Shazam
,
Echo Echo

Did all the scum stay off the Davsto wagon? Both wagons were on town...

Echo jumped off the wagon at the last minute tho.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:23 pm

In post 4015, DrippingGoofball wrote:Onto what?

Onto ika

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:24 pm

Echo was voting Davsto then near the end of the day he jumped off onto ika, this is when ika counterclaimed Mason.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:30 pm

I already said that i fucked up, i didn't think it through at the time, i'm not sure exactly why i did what i did, i just wanted firebringer lynched and no one was following suit orz

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:49 pm

Sigh... im really tired of arguing that point orz It's ok, it's my fault, my fault will cause a town loss then so be it, at least probably next time i make a fuck up you'll know that stuff is expected from me.

Sorry but... that point keeps being brought up over and over as a reason to why im scum, and apparently it overshadows everything else i did, im tired of it, and if that tiny (or well huge apparently) fuck up will cause you guys to lynch me instead of scum then i'll apologize to you guys post game, since apparently no one would care about an apology at this point.

Sakura Hana · Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:05 pm

Well technically i did use the "Get Rekt" phrase when i made a case on firebringer's cognitive dissoance.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:05 am

I'm starting to think Echo's just trying to piss me off so im easier to mislynch.
Spiffeh and DGB are still free to ask me questions, im ignoring Echo from here on out.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:53 am

@DGB: Then ask questions, because it's obvious that talking with Mr Confirmed Scum here isn't gonna help anyone.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:03 am

Self-hammering with scum in front of me would be idiotic and anti-town.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:05 am

In post 4053, DrippingGoofball wrote:It doesn't matter, LOL, imagined it was a third vote instead of only a second vote.

What does this matter? it's 3 to hammer, im at L-1

P-Edit: oh lol

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:05 am

Also Echo is already voting me DGB

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:16 am

In post 4066, DrippingGoofball wrote:Has she ever made a complete list of her JOAT powers?

Well i didnt but you knew all of them as of yesterday, the only reason i kept the rest hidden was to appear attractive as a kill to scum.

1-Shot Tracker, 1-Shot Roleblock, 1-Shot Bulletproof.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:21 am

2457 disagrees with Echo's theory of busing.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:21 am

In post 4074, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4071, Sakura Hana wrote:1-Shot Bulletproof.

As an active ability? Weird.

I already stated it was passive

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:22 am

Once again, you're suggesting that me (as supposed scum) would make the scumteam have 2 protective abilities from a 2-shot vig? that makes that role kinda useless no?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:24 am

Supposed scenario:

Sakura scum with a roleblock.
Why would scumteam kill IaI instead of conf town ricastle and roleblocking IaI

Doesn't make sense to me.
Echo's a scum doctor.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:25 am

In post 4079, Spiffeh wrote:So it's not like FB was a beacon of townitude before Sakura claimed her guilty. There was already a large amount of suspicion on him which I think makes it more plausible for him to have been bussed.

If this is true, why did i have such a hard time pushing for his lynch. You'd think ppl would lynch him without my guilty if this was the case

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:26 am

In post 4085, Echo Echo wrote:Did you just... did you just quote a Salamence post that literally damned you?!

No, it shows that i had no reason to bus fire? he was already being townread along with Shazam.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:27 am

In post 4083, DrippingGoofball wrote:What night was the kill blocked?

I targeted firebringer N3 with a tracker and got the result of visiting shiro.
Salamence had shot Firebringer N3 and he didn't die.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:28 am

In post 4092, DrippingGoofball wrote:Did you just include Shazam in that sentence? Isn't that an interesting point of view, LOL.

Exactly, if im scum with those 2, why would i even bother doing that.
Do note that also as soon as i outed my guilty people associated shazam to firebringer, that'd be suicide.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:29 am

In post 4091, Spiffeh wrote:Are vig's notified if they are roleblocked?

Depends on whether their shots are spent or not on roleblock, pie's last game (Saki) refunded everyone's limited shots when the global roleblock was used, dunno how he would treat that here.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:29 am

In post 4096, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4095, Sakura Hana wrote:shazam to firebringer

Why?

I don't remember lemme look back at those posts

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:30 am

2680 by your predecessor

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:32 am

Anyway imma ask pie if my roleblock hit a limited use ability if the ability would get refunded.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:32 am

In post 4100, Echo Echo wrote:Look at what I just found.

What's with that.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:33 am

Meh she's not replying on skype

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:34 am

In post 4103, Echo Echo wrote:Hey DGB, look, Sakura's throwing shade on your predecessor, now isn't that convenient?

Did you even check my posts the next day seriously...

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:34 am

Apparently fire didnt post a read on Echo?

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:39 am

In post 4108, Spiffeh wrote:Eh don't bother Sakura you could also be a scum BG too so confirming the roleblock thing wouldn't really change anything.

PEdit: DGB Shiro was town not scum lol

Well yes i know that i literally could be anything if i were scum, sigh... i hate this role so much, i do better as VT because i dont have to worry about night actions :< or IC so i never get lynched.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:40 am

In post 4111, DrippingGoofball wrote:His answer should be YES AND HANA IS SCUM. No? Am I missing something?

Well him being scum obviously knows im not faking it...

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:41 am

In post 4115, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4109, Sakura Hana wrote:Apparently fire didnt post a read on Echo?

or on tn241

tn was dead at the time tho, so not much reason to post a read there.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:42 am

What bothered me the most about his day play that day, and was the main reason i wanted him lynched, is that in his notes he said all my posts were bad, yet had a townread of me for the reason "liking my posts" which is a cognitive dissonance i brought up to lynch him.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:53 am

This game is tiring me orz
I just want to help move you guys in the correct direction

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:59 am

In post 4128, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 4109, Sakura Hana wrote:Apparently fire didnt post a read on Echo?

If they were scum together how exactly does he forget Echo but not his other buddy Shazam?

Idk, i've seen it happen before, can't remember the game right now tho.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:59 am

That's the kind of thing that a friend of mine (Gaiden) would pick up on, along with weird ordering of reads lists orz i wish he was here.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:02 am

Although when im scum i never plan/stage anything, im too derp for that.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:04 am

In post 4138, DrippingGoofball wrote:Very tempted to vote Sakura Hana.

Seriously...

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:08 am

Poor Echo, you broke his heart thinking he was going to win.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:18 am

Sigh... Why people don't believe meeee T_T

I guess i made the right choice in quitting mafia after all my games are over orz

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:20 am

Well if there are no further questions im just going to take a nap.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:23 am

In post 4149, Spiffeh wrote:Aw I wish you weren't quitting

I am, because this is BS, this literally happens every single game as town, scum leaves me alive until MyLo/LyLo then mislynches me. It's either that or they mislynch me sooner, which i appreciate, this one has felt horrible because then that means scum was buddying me up until the last day then suddenly *lots of evidence* and BANG.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:25 am

Sigh, im gonna take a nap, i need to clear my head, im too mad right now to even think clearly.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:40 am

Yeah, this was almost driving me crazy, sorry team.

For those wondering, what happened in D4 wasn't staged, i just panic'd and did that fake claim without thinking.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:43 am

honestly we were on the edge all the time, the only real counter we had was to the vig, since no matter what we couldn't let the gunsmith keep getting innos, on top of 3 masons that was a real low blow, and we only got lucky that one was shot by the vig, Shiro was conftown for being inno'd by the gunsmith and confirmed flower vendor hence why we shot her.

I feel like it would have gone better if we had had some sort of more team mindset, but Shazam decided to go solo and with tn barely doing anything and me accidentally guilty'ing firebringer out of panic, that... went horrible

Also THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS KILL REPLACEMENTS SHAZAM, SCREW YOU FOR WANTING TO KILL IKA :<

Ok i had to get that out of my chest.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:44 am

In post 4161, Spiffeh wrote:Although I am curious what caused Sakura to panic into claiming a guilty onto FB?

We were being PoE'd out and i was trying to get towncred from me making a case on Firebringer and having him flip scum, when everyone was pushing him as VI i just went and fake claimed a guilty instead, this is why the timing felt odd, and it was obvious the downfall of me orz

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:46 am

In Scum PT, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm starting to think that i hit the SUICIDE button instead of the PANIC button by accident.
I need to come up with something.
I just... don't know what.

^
Quote from the scum PT at the time of the fake guilty.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:47 am

I was like
"Oh crap what did i just do"
"Oh snap do something counterclaim me, push me or something DONT JUST STAND THERE IGNORING IT"
"Oh crap now they're linking Shamza to fire"
"OH CRAP WHAT DO I DO"

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:48 am

I was literally planning on no kill gambit to pretend i got shot.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:50 am

I managed to completely figure out that there wasn't a tracker/watcher on the game so i figured a track was an okayish fake claim, but either way, i usually dont bus, this one was an exception. I'm on the teamwork mindset... but it's kinda hard to do that when you have a solo player and 2 flakers.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:54 am

Well im flattered you guys think my scumgame's good, but i'm just tired of the fact that im always scumread on my towngames and townread on my scumgames... that sounds kinda backwards, I never understood why, people usually hate my playstyle, my quitting is entirely unrelated to this game btw, it's just one of the things to grasp on so i can make a genuine sounding post, if it actually was the reason then i wouldn't even be able to look at myself. This game was driving me crazy and that's one of the reasons i decided to concede, on top of the fact that i didn't see a win at all, you'll probably see when the Scum PT gets released.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:04 pm

ohai Axle

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:07 pm

Oh btw, NKing Echo last night did cross my mind

But it was mostly just to see reactions rather than playing towards my win con, so i put it off.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:14 pm

Anyway other things.

I apologize Shazam, I'm aware i could have changed the night kill, but my low confidence prevented me from revoking your action after you had changed it from me wanting to kill Frogger slot. I do not think you wanted to play a team mindset game when you just play for yourself in thread, I mentioned multiple times in the scum PT, that a scum team usually tries to help each other out, you distancing out of the gate removed any thoughts i even had that you'd want to play a team game, the only part was when i accidentally claimed guilty on FB, which actually brought me lots of towncred, but I already apologized for that in the PT, and i still disagree with your "I feel i played well and your action will cause me to lose" this is not a team mindset, this is a solo player mindset.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:24 pm

Ok i just re-read the start of the Scum PT and i misremembered a few things, still your playstyle gave me the impression that you didn't care about your teammates at all, that's why i mentioned you as a solo player. Sorry orz

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:39 pm

Oh btw... this is just for you pie

SAKURA THE MASTERMIND

(has failed)

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:58 pm

In post 4206, Echo Echo wrote:You know, if you killed Spiffeh instead of Axle, you would've won? Axle couldn't stop tunneling my ass and would easily sway DGB in your favor.

I killed Axle mostly because "Why would Sakura kill someone that's helping her" also apparently in the Dead PT they mentioned that any other kill would've been traced back to me so it was the best kill anyway.
When i'm scum i usually have this weird thing about killing people defending me instead of the ppl scumreading me.

Sakura Hana · Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:59 pm

Although im glad ppl thought i played well, i would make a snark comment about ppl getting paranoid of me AGAIN, if i wasn't quitting so ^_^;;