NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Echo Echo]

I'm not sure what favors you want me to do. Should I claim as the fourth Mason?

[Echo Echo]

How is everyone all of a sudden against a Shazam lynch today this is very frustrating.

Weren't you talking all about the evidence for Sakura scum? Where did that go?

[Echo Echo]

Yeah I'm not lynching Echo today.

Seriously, don't post shit like 3755 after stuff like this. It's difficult to read your inconsistent stances. DGB talks about scum keeping their options open. I don't agree with that at all, but what you just tried to pull fit the bill.

[Echo Echo]

You accuse me of trying to keep my options open, but I've already talked extensively of why I'm sheeping DGB as well as tunnelling Sakura since she concluded her scumputer results. I'm not sure what your accusation is based on.

[Echo Echo]

"Sounded a lot townier today"

Yeah, under pressure, that's her job.

[Echo Echo]

Oh yeah. Bearbert's deathwish was to get Shazam lynched? I'll take a look at that to confirm a bit.

[Echo Echo]

As I've explained, my early game was stronger but recently I had time constraints. Incidentally, this game has 5 day deadlines, so I can't help but to be detached from the thread. I'm not giving it my 100%, and I apologize for that.

[Echo Echo]

DGB, what is the accuracy rate of your Scumputer? What is your projected accuracy rating for this game?

[Echo Echo]

I'm asking this because it's fucking wrong for me to be trusting you more than you trust yourself.

[Echo Echo]

I am confident that the team is Echo and Sakura

So Echo's busing his partner with very poor reasoning instead of attempting to get a mislynch on MyLo, did I get that right?

Sure, why not? It's worked out pretty well if you ask me. In light of that, I have figured out that the only way to lynch someone other than me (and thereby give town a chance of winning) is to vote Echo first. My only hope is if the two of you who seem to think it's Echo and me (or at least that it could be) will vote Echo first.

VOTE: Echo Echo

Fuck

you.

VOTE: Shazam

[Echo Echo]

You'd better fix that vote. If that was an accidental hammer, you would've fucked us.

[Echo Echo]

Unless you're scum, then fuck you too

[Echo Echo]

You piece of shit. Voting town to save yourself from being lynched is

not

the answer. This makes me think you're scum.

[Echo Echo]

If the scum team is Sakura + Spiffeh we have already lost.

Hell, if the scum team does not include Axle in any way, we've already lost, because scum won't bus, and he won't move his ass from me.

[Echo Echo]

You piece of shit.

That's not necessary.

Hell, if the scum team does not include Axle in any way, we've already lost, because scum won't bus, and he won't move his ass from me.

He'll be nightkilled.

Will he? Or you be nightkilled? His tunnelling is a boon to scum. Who doesn't like town voting wrong.

[Echo Echo]

Sakura, if Shazam isn't scum with you, you've won. Good job.

[Echo Echo]

You know that's wrong.

[Echo Echo]

Go right ahead and place a vote on me.

[Echo Echo]

Whatever, you're not going to change my mind with your posturing. Maybe DGB's, maybe Spiffeh's, but not mine.

[Echo Echo]

Once I realized that my main reason for townreading you was for claiming the track on Fire and the JOAT claim, the rest of your play looks only mediocre at best, and plainly scum motivated.

[Echo Echo]

You piece of shit. Voting town to save yourself from being lynched is

not

the answer. This makes me think you're scum.

This is actually incorrect to a point. I obviously don't know if you're town for 100% sure, but even if I thought you were town, voting you would in fact be the answer. I know that I am town, and it appears to be you or me, as I've already explained. So taking a possible loss over a sure loss? Yeah, that's the answer actually. Of course, I expect it not to be a loss if you get lynched.

Scum is bussing as we speak.

Just not certain which of you is the scum bussing,.

But whichever one retracts their vote will make it obvious so they're now forced into bussing.

How would you know this? If the scum is Axle and Sakura, for instance, they would not be bussing. Note that Axle hasn't been around to vote me. I really don't think that's the scum team, but you should be treating it as a possibility.

Well then wrong answer, genius.

[Echo Echo]

You say that Sakura is scum, but you later vote the person that voted her before you did. If your aim wasn't to vote town, I don't know what that is.

[Echo Echo]

the rest of your play looks only mediocre at best, and plainly scum motivated.

Well others disagree.

What's with the provoking me to vote you, is your plan to taunt me so i vote you so spiffeh and DGB lynch me?

Yes, I hope they lynch you.

[Echo Echo]

If Shazam isn't scum, then there is no tomorrow. I hope we haven't fucked up.

[Echo Echo]

Is Sakura voting Shazam? I see that we're missing a vote.

[Echo Echo]

Bye people. Lynch Shazam!

Just to double check, this did happen.

So. OK.

[Echo Echo]

I don't give a rat's fuck who is partners with whom. If we can't get the lynch right today, we lose the game.

[Echo Echo]

DGB is who we're waiting on.

She said she wanted to think about it which is fine but I don't see much else to think about.

We have confirmed that she can only possibly be scum with Shazam at this point.

Ok, fine. After your billionth post like this, I'll just ask the question: could I be town from your POV?

You know what, if you flip town, I'll just blame Bearbert to make myself feel better

[Echo Echo]

No. Really. If axle is town, we've lost. We need all town to vote right.

[Echo Echo]

Echo I just explained why the remaining scum is bussing.

.

There's only three people voting Shazam. Myself, yourself, and Sakura. You're talking to me as if I'm town. That means you agree that Sakura's the scum who's bussing?

[Echo Echo]

tadatadatadata
ratatatatatata


VOTE: Shazam

YES

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Echo Echo]

Kill me please. I'm a one-shot doctor.

[Echo Echo]

Kill me please. I'm a one-shot doctor.

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed there?

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed in 3876?

[Echo Echo]

OK let me send a PM to pieguy to let him know about the flip. He should be online at around this moment.

[Echo Echo]

Whatever, scumface. If Shazam isn't your partner, take your win.

[Echo Echo]

Kill me please. I'm a one-shot doctor.

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed there?

^
Do you realize that you just scum claimed in 3876?

Well EXCUSE ME for wanting to make sure this was a scum lynch.

Like seriously is mudsling all you know?

I don't know, when you said "YES" after DGB hammered, it sounded like it was a victory cry.

How do

you

know that Shazam's scum? Even I don't. A reasonable town wouldn't. You railing about him being "confirmed scum" is the exact reason why I think you're the true "confirmed scum" in the first place.


And... of course, DGB's VCA. But still.

[Echo Echo]

If you guys are scum together I demand to be financially compensated for the emotional distress you are putting me through.

I wish.

[Echo Echo]

Whatever, scumface. If Shazam isn't your partner, take your win.

^
Spoken like a true scum

Don't be silly. First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know", then next you snark with the above post. Your words don't match your actions. You're scum. In fact, I'm quite worried about the possibility that you aren't bussing Shazam.

[Echo Echo]

If Shazam is town

So... why did you shout "YES"?

[Echo Echo]

If you guys are scum together I demand to be financially compensated for the emotional distress you are putting me through.

LOL yes

Truly, the both of you would require financial compensation if it was Axle/Sakura.

I would too.

[Echo Echo]

reaction test "victory cry"

^
Make sure you finish reading before mudslinging, might trip on your own mud.

Whatever. Only town mudslings anyway.

[Echo Echo]

How does one even trip on mud anyway?

[Echo Echo]

First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know"

Yeah because town totally mudslings.

If you genuinely thought I was scum, "mudsling" isn't an appropriate word.

See, you're scum.

[Echo Echo]

reaction test "victory cry"

^
Make sure you finish reading before mudslinging, might trip on your own mud.

Whatever. Only town mudslings anyway.

Yeah no.

Yeah yes.

[Echo Echo]

First, you talk to me like I'm town "this is all mudsling you know"

Yeah because town totally mudslings.

If you genuinely thought I was scum, "mudsling" isn't an appropriate word.

See, you're scum.

Isn't that the word for when people try to throw dirt on others to make them look scummy?

Except... you ARE scummy. I'm townier than you are. Technically, you're mudslinging me.

[Echo Echo]

Dear pieguyn,

Please come soon to deliver me from my misery.

Thanks,

Echo

[Echo Echo]

I've already sent pieguy a PM. It hasn't been picked up. God damn it.

[Echo Echo]

I hope I don't live to have to pick between the two of you tomorrow.

Just run the scumputer again.

[Echo Echo]

Unless it doesn't work, then it's entirely your fault.

[Echo Echo]

You tried to out the Mason by fake claiming Mason.

I didn't try to out the Mason. He claimed by himself. I had nothing to do with that.

[Echo Echo]

You've been trying to ensure the lynch of town (me) for BS reasons.

Oh really. But Spiffeh made the reasons. DGB made the reasons. Are you calling their reasons BS?

[Echo Echo]

It's so funny. I lynched tn by hopping on and drawing attention to him, and Spiffeh made the case. All you needed to do was to claim "tracker" on a player whom you voted along with during some day, and magically you look town. Tell me, which is easier? Fake claim a guilty on a partner, or voting them and hoping it magically goes in my favor?

[Echo Echo]

I hope I don't live to have to pick between the two of you tomorrow.

Just run the scumputer again.

^
Suposed scumputer had Shazam as one of the least likely scum, who you're so certian it's flipping scum, yet you're trusting it because you know it puts me as most suspicious, gj there.

Well that's fine, because last I remember, when DGB ran her scumputer properly, the top scorer and lowest scorer were the scummiest.

[Echo Echo]

You've been trying to ensure the lynch of town (me) for BS reasons.

Oh really. But Spiffeh made the reasons. DGB made the reasons. Are you calling their reasons BS?

And now you're deflecting, are you srs.

I'm serious. Look at all my complete sentences. Full stops and all. Don't I come across as serious? Very serious. Much wow.

[Echo Echo]

And on whose word do we even believe your claim? It's unprovable at all. Your strange "one shot bulletproof" has yet to be proven, in fact none of your abilities make sense.

[Echo Echo]

There's no reason to blow your "one shot roleblock" unless its a true dire situation like now, unless your "one-shot bulletproof" was an active ability, which you implied it isn't.

[Echo Echo]

You know what, fuck this. If Shazam isn't scum, I'm wasting my breath. Sakura may be scum, but if Shazam isn't her partner, which I doubt right now, then Good Game.

Truly a Good Game, I overlooked a couple of things in this game. Sorry all.

[Echo Echo]

Fake claims are so easy to do. No effort required. Lazy.

[Echo Echo]

Yeah, I was on V/LA. That's my excuse.

[Echo Echo]

What's yours?

[Echo Echo]

That's the strange thing. You didn't out your "guilty result". How was he "obvscum" again?

[Echo Echo]

And so you were "demotivated" even though you have information that other players don't have, even though it was perfectly selfish of you to not share that information?
Hmm.
It's okay, I tried to get myself killed WITHOUT ika counterclaiming me. I guess I have to understand that ika didn't have that information as well.

[Echo Echo]

In your case, your fake claim got ika killed.
My claim got scum dead, on a day that they were lynching town.

HMMMM

I wonder which is more scum motivated. The long-term fake-claim, or the short-term one. This one truly is tricky.

[Echo Echo]

Your case doesn't make too much sense, you see, after Frogger had already singled out the mason to be either me or ika... if you think I'm scum, why did I have to fake claim mason to figure out that he's scum?

[Echo Echo]

You're going to treat everyone else to a dose of that torture? Did you really read those? That's... I applaud you. A true feat befitting for a man.

[Echo Echo]

You still haven't explained why would i offer up my partner in exchange of a mislynch with a fake guilty, and my role has been explained why it makes perfect sense in the setup.

Because it'll give you a lot of towncred that you can coast on to win the game? I'm sure that's quite obvious. After it has been pointed out that your actions surrounding your guilty and "demotivated" don't quite make much sense.

[Echo Echo]

A true feat befitting for a man.

I'm a woman

A woman better than a man. The definition of woman empowerment: reading Axle's blatantly wrong cases.

[Echo Echo]

Anyway i need to get ready for my first day of work.

Cool. Have fun at work. Congratulations. I am genuinely excited for you. What is it?

[Echo Echo]

what if ika wasn't? What if you didn't believe it?

Then I have to ask you if all these "what ifs" were worth the risk of increasing my lynch chance if I were scum.

But let's not care about that. Focus on work. Pie might come a bit late, since my PM was not picked up.

Enjoy your day!

[Echo Echo]

Except it didnt because Spiffeh still wants to lynch me? Spiffeh still thinks im scum? DGB almost lynched me too? Much towncred, very wow

Well that's cause you didn't do a clean job.

[Echo Echo]

Okay, that was unexpected. I legitimately did not think that Shazam was scum. Lol.

VOTE: Sakura

Obvious scum based on knowing that Shazam would flip scum.

[Echo Echo]

Claiming bulletproof as an excuse to never die. It's a scum claim.

[Echo Echo]

Despite being bulletproof, anxious enough to waste other abilities instead of a more town-motivated and optimal situation.

[Echo Echo]

Because how else did fire didnt die from sala's shot.

What is that?

If scum was all goons then Fire would have died from Sala's shot unless interference from a town doctor (which they'd have claimed by now), so it's possible that the last scum is a doctor, which is what we've been speculating all game.

So scum would ONLY have a doctor???

Roleblocker befits Occam's Razor more.

[Echo Echo]

How is it scummy?

[Echo Echo]

I think that I should be essentially clear for wasting 2x2 = 4 hours of my time for making VCA that turned out wrong, right? What scum does that?

[Echo Echo]

I think you're scum, and obviously so.

[Echo Echo]

I was legitimately town leaning Shazam. What pushed me to vote him was the effects of Spiffeh, Bearbert's dead words, and his really terrible vote on me.

[Echo Echo]

Then claim the guilty. You claimed that you were bulletproof, there was no reason

not to

. Even if you were afraid of a roleblocker, you were a claimed one-shot tracker, and them roleblocking you wouldn't matter much at all.

It seems like a pre-ordained bus plan that Firebringer agreed to in the scumteam, but the acting at the point which Spiffeh had pointed out wasn't quite natural.

[Echo Echo]

> I have a confirmed 100% scum guilty on a player. I'm trying to get him lynched without outing my guilty. Oh, and I'm a bulletproof.

>Nobody wants to sheep my poorly made push.

Do I:

A) Yell louder and force everyone to sheep me
B) Claim the guilty and force everyone to sheep me
C) Give up and sheep someone else, forgetting not to sheep my guilty at the same time.

[Echo Echo]

And you both think DGB scum is off the table?

Her performance yesterday; off the table.

Incidentally I'm having a bit of paranoia on you, but there's no point in that. Occam's razor states that Sakura is the final member of the scumteam.

[Echo Echo]

Bullshit AtE. Logic trumps AtE. Sorry.

[Echo Echo]

Sigh... im really tired of arguing that point orz It's ok, it's my fault, my fault will cause a

town

scum loss then so be it, at least probably next time i make a fuck up you'll know that stuff is expected from me.

Fixed that for you.

[Echo Echo]

Sorry but... that point keeps being brought up over and over as a reason to why im scum, and apparently it overshadows everything else i did, im tired of it, and if that tiny (or well huge apparently) fuck up will cause you guys to lynch me instead of scum then i'll apologize to you guys post game, since apparently no one would care about an apology at this point.

It's actually funny, because "everything else you did" was only to lynch firebringer and claim JOAT. That's *all* you did. Once we have deconstructed that as a highly possible bus... there's nothing you did. As DGB had pointed out, you were very eager to hop onto the largest mislynch wagons. Statistically speaking, you're scum. Role wise, you're scum. Play wise, I'm townier than you -- you're scum.

Get rekt.

[Echo Echo]

Okay that was kinda rude. I deign to never use the phrase "get rekt" again, ever. Really bad.

Seriously though, you're scum.

[Echo Echo]

You can at least be nice

The counter to AtE is more AtE. I fight fire with fire.

Sorry for being mean!

You're still scum.

[Echo Echo]

It's okay to do it to your scum partner to further a win condition.

It wasn't very nice of me to do that when you're about to lose.

[Echo Echo]

Shouldn't you already have been doing that to "confirmed scum"?

[Echo Echo]

Still waiting on Spiffeh and DGB.

[Echo Echo]

I think you made that up.

[Echo Echo]

A tell of such a description would be intriguing, though. Is it specific to player personality archetypes, or just a generic one-size-fits-all shotgun?

[Echo Echo]

I haven't seen enough. You can vote either way, I won't be hammering. I am waiting for a behavioral tell. We need to keep talking.

Do you wait for that behavioral tell to naturally arise? Or must you perform some form of reaction test to elicit a certain reaction?

What is the accuracy rate of said behavioral tell and how long have you been practicing it?

Did you come up with the name yourself?

[Echo Echo]

Was Sakura going to self-hammer so that you couldn't perform your "tell" experiment?

For science! As they say!

[Echo Echo]

I agree, you would be banned for that, even as scum.

[Echo Echo]

Then you would be gravely wrong.

[Echo Echo]

That is why you married a PhD mathematician.

[Echo Echo]

could Firebringer have been viewed as a LIABILITY that would be more useful to the team DEAD?

Yes. With my knowledge of Firebringer and the current gamestate, he would readily agree to be bussed.

This statement is not biased against Sakura in any way, it's a factual statement.

[Echo Echo]

Firebringer is a more carefree player, and a progressive thinker. He is not one that would oppose bussing, more of play-by-ear and would readily do it when necessary.

During that stage of the game, the obviously-town Vig Salamence delivered a shot onto Firebringer, who didn't die. This is clear indication that Firebringer was marked for death. My current theory was that Salamence was roleblocked that night.

Firebringer claimed 1 shot BP (Fake), which would have counterclaimed Sakura's "BP+JOAT" anyway, but at that time, pisskop, a known troll, claimed commuter (fake), which drew my attention to both of them.

[Echo Echo]

I am going to iso the dead scum for clues. I haven't done that. I should.

Would you rather have Spiffeh help you with that?

[Echo Echo]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Echo Echo]

-----------------------------

Interesting points to note:

Sakura Hana is on every main wagon except for today, which actually makes me weary of her at the moment. Pisskop is also on every wagon except IaI D2, which looks really bad given that Sakura and TN were on that wagon. I sense some separation here, and I could see another scum in Sakura/Axle/Dav, as that looks like a really bad wagon at the time. Meanwhile, Im townreading EchoEcho for sure, because he lynched TN and it doesn't look like a bus. Going back to D2, you have a Vote from Sakura, Axle explaining his, and Dav just agreeing to vote Dav. Axle stays off TN's lynch while Sakura and Dav hop on. I think this means Axle is most likely scum with one of Sakura/Dav possibly. Adding to the fact that Flubber was lynched by Sakura and Dav, I doubt they are scum together.

Reads:

Confirmed Town:
Salamence20 - Vigilante Protector of all things flowery
Ricastle - Mason traveler from distant lands

Town:
Echo Echo, The Princess's Knight
Frogger, The Princess's Pet Frog
Ika, The Princess's Advisor

Townish:
Firebringer, Outspoken peasant
Spiffeh, The Princess's Aide
Shazam: The Lightning Captain

The Scumlist:
Sakura Hana: The Ill Fated Princess
Davsto: Illegal Village Gambler
AxleGreaser: The Princess's Gardener
Pisskop: Puppy with a past

Confirm Vote: Axle

Did you just... did you just quote a Salamence post that literally damned you?!

[Echo Echo]

Holy crap, I thought DGB was the one that quoted that, but you know the post was clearly scumreading you right?

[Echo Echo]

If this is true, why did i have such a hard time pushing for his lynch. You'd think ppl would lynch him without my guilty if this was the case

You tried to copy me but sadly I have more style and more townskill than you ;p

[Echo Echo]

Usually not.

[Echo Echo]

This progression doesn't feel natural:

Ooh!

VOTE: Fire

VOTE: Fire

Stop bussing me teammate!

VOTE: Fire

Stop bussing me teammate!

Ok!

VOTE: Bearbert

Is this the part where i say that fire targeted shiro last night?

Fire should fullclaim rn

Specially after i had just called them possible buddies.

Look at what I just found.

[Echo Echo]

Cool. I'm going down next. Hana's confbiasing now

Do you think i shouldn't have a reason to think you're buddies after you tried to pin me as scum with someone when i was offering you scum on a silver platter?

Hey DGB, look, Sakura's throwing shade on your predecessor, now isn't that convenient?

[Echo Echo]

Lalala, just waiting for DGB to hammer your scummy face~

[Echo Echo]

Cool, I'm missing, but look at where he kept his "town" reads.

That doesn't help much, its evidence against both of us.

[Echo Echo]

No clue, this would make an assumption on the competence of Firebringer's play, as well as his state of mind and motivations during that period of time.

[Echo Echo]

tn241 was dead at that point of time.

[Echo Echo]

Could've been staged.

[Echo Echo]

No clue, this would make an assumption on the competence of Firebringer's play, as well as his state of mind and motivations during that period of time.

That is what this game is all about.

I know if I were scum and someone had some incriminating results my first instinct is to call them liars and scum and go 1 vs 1. Then get lynched the next day LOL.

Yeah, that's because you're competent.

[Echo Echo]

He.. didn't.

[Echo Echo]

Spiffeh can vouch for how feeble the entire attempt was.

[Echo Echo]

You're welcome to re-read Day 4 again, but I would kindly recommend that you not waste your time.

[Echo Echo]

I'll have to leave by the hour, so I cannot respond to further questioning by xx:00

[Echo Echo]

Thanks for your time guys. I'm outta here.

[Echo Echo]

If there are no further burning questions to me, I'll be seeing you all in a bit... hopefully not in a sudden death of sorts.

[Echo Echo]

That's the kind of thing that a friend of mine (Gaiden) would pick up on, along with weird ordering of reads lists orz i wish he was here.

And that's the kind of easy bullshit that'd you'd try to stage in addition to that hasty bus plan.

[Echo Echo]

That's next level psychology right there.

[Echo Echo]

Even if you vote her, pie would be late. I'm leaving.

[Echo Echo]

Party pooper.

[Echo Echo]

Indeed. My heart's broken. Spiffeh's must be too, I hope.

[Echo Echo]

We'll just watch you resist the temptation to slam dunk Sakura within 24 hours as Spiffeh and yourself discover more and more evidence against her.

OK, now I'm really leaving.

[Echo Echo]

You know, if you killed Spiffeh instead of Axle, you would've won? Axle couldn't stop tunneling my ass and would easily sway DGB in your favor.

[Echo Echo]

Great game everyone, especially you Sakura. It was a close one.

[Echo Echo]

I'm about to read the dead PT.

ika, how did you know Shazam was scum? Just wondering.

[Echo Echo]

I would say of the four scum, Shazam was the best able to fool me the most. Good job Shazam!

[Echo Echo]

Sorry about the CC, ika.

At least it turned out well in the end :p

[Echo Echo]

The vote was part of the plan to make it more convincing, heh :p


Also, yet another victory for the Scumputer!

[Echo Echo]

All right, sorry about that. I'll keep that in mind for next time.

[Echo Echo]

I just read the scum PT.

Very ironic about how I told Sakura to get rekt at the ending.


Good game to the scum. Shazam legitimately fooled me, while Sakura would be a great position to win if she didn't kill Axle.

Thank you all, and thank you pie for modding.