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Post Post #275  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:03 am

In post 273, Wisdom wrote:I don't think there is a "case" wiki page or a "votecount analysis" wiki page, is there? How to share your reads, to what amount, and if you want to do it at all or not is and should be a personal thing, not something that you should follow a wiki's instuctions in order to do.


I disagree. There is a lot of confusion in games when people are providing reads lists. I think there should be a few formal ways to do a reads list. For example: making a reads list that is in categories of town to scum. Even in this there is a few ways that you can do it. I just think there should be some kind of standards for what is an appropriate way to share reads. I know I have in games made reads list based off the order of the player roster and not into categories of most town to most scum. Its little things like that that I think people should have knowledge of. If there is no standard on how to do a reads list then it remains completely up in the air and people are going to make them in ways that don't make sense.
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Post Post #276  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:08 am

Make an article yourself on how you think a readslist should be, I can always sort it if needed. It's your own view and a formal-standard would require a lot of people to support it and even then people could deviate. A reads list is a way of doing something, people do it differently.
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Post Post #277  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:13 am

Lickety, the important thing in a readlist you make is let others know what you think of certain players. How you do that is your own personal choice. You can order them by copying the roster from the first post, or you can sort them from town to scum. You can just say "town" "null" "scum" or you can give a paragraph about each player with reasons as to why. You can include all the players or just two of them that you feel are lynch candidates for the day. It's a personal call you have to make, based on the game, your playstyle, how you are read at the time, how much effect you think you have on the game at the time. There can't be an absolute standard for such a thing.

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Post Post #278  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:15 am

In post 276, wgeurts wrote:Make an article yourself on how you think a readslist should be, I can always sort it if needed. It's your own view and a formal-standard would require a lot of people to support it and even then people could deviate. A reads list is a way of doing something, people do it differently.


I'd be willing to do that even though I am probably far from the best person to do the job just so we have something about it on the wiki. I will need a little help with knowing how to format the article, but I suppose I could copy from another article to get enough info so it doesn't look like complete crap.

PEdit: Yes I agree with that and I think it would be good to include that sort of thing in the article
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Post Post #279  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:29 pm

Wisdom, I know you're not in favor of a wiki being done on reads lists, but do you or wgeuts know of anyone who gives them frequently who is a vet here with a decent amount of experience? I don't want my first wiki I do be complete garbage so I would like to either hand it over to someone else or do a collaboration with someone.

[Edit] I really don't think I am the right person for the job. I do however think something is better that nothing for this topic.
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Post Post #280  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:28 pm

In post 269, wgeurts wrote:Anyway, it seems the general oppinion is against it. However we now have a rather large chunk we are able to fill, any ideas?

perhaps you ciould put a revert to the pointless change that broke cherry dogs page in there. would go nicely i think.
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Post Post #281  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:50 pm

kanye can you write me a wiki page? : )
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Post Post #282  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:18 pm

In post 275, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 273, Wisdom wrote:I don't think there is a "case" wiki page or a "votecount analysis" wiki page, is there? How to share your reads, to what amount, and if you want to do it at all or not is and should be a personal thing, not something that you should follow a wiki's instuctions in order to do.


I disagree. There is a lot of confusion in games when people are providing reads lists. I think there should be a few formal ways to do a reads list. For example: making a reads list that is in categories of town to scum. Even in this there is a few ways that you can do it. I just think there should be some kind of standards for what is an appropriate way to share reads. I know I have in games made reads list based off the order of the player roster and not into categories of most town to most scum. Its little things like that that I think people should have knowledge of. If there is no standard on how to do a reads list then it remains completely up in the air and people are going to make them in ways that don't make sense.

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Post Post #283  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:11 pm

I think reads lists should all be alphabetized and rainbowcized.
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Post Post #284  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:18 am

In post 281, Katsuki wrote:kanye can you write me a wiki page? : )

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Post Post #285  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:43 pm

In post 282, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 275, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 273, Wisdom wrote:I don't think there is a "case" wiki page or a "votecount analysis" wiki page, is there? How to share your reads, to what amount, and if you want to do it at all or not is and should be a personal thing, not something that you should follow a wiki's instuctions in order to do.


I disagree. There is a lot of confusion in games when people are providing reads lists. I think there should be a few formal ways to do a reads list. For example: making a reads list that is in categories of town to scum. Even in this there is a few ways that you can do it. I just think there should be some kind of standards for what is an appropriate way to share reads. I know I have in games made reads list based off the order of the player roster and not into categories of most town to most scum. Its little things like that that I think people should have knowledge of. If there is no standard on how to do a reads list then it remains completely up in the air and people are going to make them in ways that don't make sense.

holy shit no


Formal and correct were bad ways of saying it. I rethought it and I agree that there should not be a standard way to do reads list. I did provide some thoughts on how do one in a wiki. Is prolly crap and will prolly largely be rejected from the community, but what can I do? I already made it. Just read it and tell me how bad it is. You can find it Here. I can try and see if I can take it down if people don't like what I have written.
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Post Post #286  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:44 pm

Feel free to abuse me on this wiki in this thread. Its prolly terrible and should never have been done.
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Post Post #287  (ISO)  » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:21 pm

so wgeurts

when are you doing my wiki page?
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Post Post #288  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:48 am

Once I have finished updating the setup history.
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Post Post #289  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:36 pm

I think all reads lists should be posted in tiny invisible text, backwards in Swedish.

Can we make that the standard?
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Post Post #290  (ISO)  » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:38 pm

It's fairly popular, I wouldn't object to making the practice more mandatory.
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Post Post #291  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:58 pm

In post 277, Wisdom wrote:Lickety, the important thing in a readlist you make is let others know what you think of certain players. How you do that is your own personal choice. You can order them by copying the roster from the first post, or you can sort them from town to scum. You can just say "town" "null" "scum" or you can give a paragraph about each player with reasons as to why. You can include all the players or just two of them that you feel are lynch candidates for the day. It's a personal call you have to make, based on the game, your playstyle, how you are read at the time, how much effect you think you have on the game at the time. There can't be an absolute standard for such a thing.


This 100% this. Why on Earth does anyone need a wiki page saying how this should be done ffs?
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Post Post #292  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:02 pm

So the old and written with serious crumpets code for custom CSS is back until I make a better version somewhere in the future.
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Post Post #293  (ISO)  » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:13 pm

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Post Post #294  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:31 am

If you're going to have your silly "role of the week" and "scummer of the month" etc, you really should be updating that shit regularly.
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Post Post #295  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:44 am

Look,
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Post Post #296  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:27 am

In post 294, N wrote:If you're going to have your silly "role of the week" and "scummer of the month" etc, you really should be updating that shit regularly.

If you've noticed I've been as good as vla for the last month or so.
Though I agree I need to update it more frequently.
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Post Post #297  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:57 am

Anyway it's updated now, plus I've fixed something from the Navbox template I shamelessly stole from wikipedia.
Time to continue updating the SetupHistoryDatabase template to get that over with.
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Post Post #298  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:28 am

Would anyone have a problem with me removing the "Experimental Open Setups" categories? They seem pointless and have no real value.
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Post Post #299  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:14 pm

And can we just shrink all the "failed opens" categories into "Outdated Opens", they are currently unused and a mess. I lack the willpower and time to research the fate of every single setup in there and it's easier to just collectively dump them in one spot.
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