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In post 35, LicketyQuickety wrote:Wow, this game has bad form. No one talking about my "every VT should cliam" claim? For shame!
Presuming you're truthing, chances are you're the only VT, and the Role Madness game's arbitrary VT.- Davsto
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In post 43, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 39, Davsto wrote:chances are you're the only VT,
Don't like this - only like 4 or 5 out of 14 players have posted. How can you assume there's only one VT?
Role Madness. It's decent to assume. Also other VTs please don't claim thanks it lets scum know not to target you
ow my other spleenMetal Sonic wrote:Arrow of Light: Davsto
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Presumably he was asking it because of Nana. This is a bad post.LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 51, Metal Sonic wrote:Mod can we know how many players in the game and how many to lynch?
Newb question. Don't like it. You've played a newbie. Don't like at all.
In post 46, Xtoxm wrote:In post 35, LicketyQuickety wrote:Wow, this game has bad form. No one talking about my "every VT should cliam" claim? For shame!
On this topic, does anyone have a triforce? This a highly important question.
*waves*
This is a terrible votesmiffle wrote:In post 35, LicketyQuickety wrote:Wow, this game has bad form. No one talking about my "every VT should cliam" claim? For shame!
Vote: Licketywhy should everyone do that? is there strategic value or something?
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Here you go MS
I also think MS is crumbing Sonic with his username
'cause you saw an opportunity to vote and you grabbed it. It doesn't look like you genuinely found it scummy. You didn't prod or poke or ask questions about it before voting, you just voted.smiffle wrote:if Dav is town, then why is my vote shit? riddle me this
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In post 97, Metal Sonic wrote:Is that manzelda???
Okay I read this as Mandela for a second and now I'm just thinking "Nelson Manzelda" and giggling like an idiot
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You might want to check if a shot is used up each time you are targeted or each night you are targeted.
I have slept and still am tired because I was a stupid who woke up at stupid time- Davsto
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In post 160, Metal Sonic wrote:Those were fake. Btoom was real. But he's ascetic. How convenient.
How does Ascetic stop it from working? It's still a kill, right? Or is that not how Ascetic works with the percentage mechanics?- Davsto
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In post 166, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'd like to have a serious conversation about this whole % thing if you guys wouldn't mind? I'd done being silly and am playing for real now so can we talk about this % thing?
If I had a guess I'd say that our abilities rack up the % and after so much if someone does a -> A they go flying off the screen or something?
Dav mentioning kill already is really bizarre to me.
I thought that MS' "BTOOM" thing was a dayvig of sorts. Was wondering how Ascetic relates to the % mechanic, since according to OP there are no standard kills.
Does Ascetic mean "nothing affects it apart from moves increasing %" or does it mean "everything" since there are no standard kills?- Davsto
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In post 172, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 170, Davsto wrote:In post 166, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'd like to have a serious conversation about this whole % thing if you guys wouldn't mind? I'd done being silly and am playing for real now so can we talk about this % thing?
If I had a guess I'd say that our abilities rack up the % and after so much if someone does a -> A they go flying off the screen or something?
Dav mentioning kill already is really bizarre to me.
I thought that MS' "BTOOM" thing was a dayvig of sorts. Was wondering how Ascetic relates to the % mechanic, since according to OP there are no standard kills.
Does Ascetic mean "nothing affects it apart from moves increasing %" or does it mean "everything" since there are no standard kills?
Obviously you have a killing role, that much is clear. I thought when he said "everything" that he was saying anyone who targets him he learns about that person or something. Mario can you clear this up please?
Oiy, what can of worms did I open this game O.o
Um, no? I'm not a killing role. I just thought from the whole opening post regarding % that it was the main killing method in this rather than kills, and I was interested in how ascetic affected that. Testing the validity of Mario's claim, to an extent.- Davsto
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Give me a good reason why Ascetic should be indicative of alignment.
As long as I believe the claim - and the specificness of the whole "3-shot" and "each person targeting" thing is making me believe it - I at least know he's not lying.
But, 9/10 times, role abilities are non-indicative of alignment. Particularly in role madness games. Mods love to put super scummy roles as town to break massclaims.
I'm decently well versed in mafia. I'm not omniscient. Ascetic can appear as both town or scum. Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.- Davsto
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I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.
Also, I don't see what is significant about him claiming Ascetic early. It's quite a common thing, I know I did in the first game I was ascetic. It stops Docs wasting protects. I'm not gonna put MM in conftown or anything for that claim but definitely leaning town.- Davsto
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In post 226, Wanderer-nl wrote:In post 206, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 205, Davsto wrote:Give me a good reason why Ascetic should be indicative of alignment.
As long as I believe the claim - and the specificness of the whole "3-shot" and "each person targeting" thing is making me believe it - I at least know he's not lying.
But, 9/10 times, role abilities are non-indicative of alignment. Particularly in role madness games. Mods love to put super scummy roles as town to break massclaims.
I'm decently well versed in mafia. I'm not omniscient. Ascetic can appear as both town or scum. Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.
I would have not had to make all those posts asking you to give your thoughts on ascetic if you would have just said this in the first place. Did you think this was common knowledge or something so not even worth discussing or what? I do however, find it weird that you're willing to believe that MM is in fact ascetic just taking him at his word. You seem to understand some in depth things about the ascetic role, however, you once again fail at explaining thing to the degree that they should be thought about. It should be well apparent that in this game the implication of someone being ascetic, let alone claiming itwithing the first 24 hoursshould be at least cause to think somewhat indepthly about the subject given that you are as you say well versed in mafia. But lets say you are 100% correct in this. Surely this would say a great deal about MM for claiming ascetic within thefirst what 12 hours of the thread opening?I am tempted to believe that you are just not trying too hard to solve this game at this point in time. IIRC, MM did not in fact give much of a reason to believe that his claim was true. Why did you believe him out of curiosity?
So this what I bolded kinda really gives me the idea that you're trying to make Davsto look as bad as you possibly can.
You're only just getting this picture?- Davsto
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In post 263, smiffle wrote:In post 215, Davsto wrote:I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.
Hey, considering that All Alone pointed out the terrible reason you voted me to begin with, why are you still on my wagon?
I tend to trust myself more than I trust others whose alignments I am unaware of. Not because I think I'm "better", but because I know my reads come from a town perspective. I have no idea on All Alone's motives.- Davsto
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In post 286, GuiltyLion wrote:I agree with All Alone's point against Davsto, but I've seen him get mislynched for similar reasons before in other games. Taking a bit of a 'wait and see' on him, but he's in my suspect pool.
What games?
Just to clarify, I've played with lurking ASP too. Didn't get lynched for ages but generally dragged down the town. If I remember correctly, he was VLA for a while and then left VLA and his amount of posting stayed about the same.In post 307, GuiltyLion wrote:I have a completed game with ASP where he lurked and was mislynched for it on D1, Micro 533.
In post 286, GuiltyLion wrote:I agree with All Alone's point against Davsto, but I've seen him get mislynched for similar reasons before in other games. Taking a bit of a 'wait and see' on him, but he's in my suspect pool.
What games?
Just to clarify, I've played with lurking ASP too. Didn't get lynched for ages but generally dragged down the town.In post 307, GuiltyLion wrote:I have a completed game with ASP where he lurked and was mislynched for it on D1, Micro 533.
I can be bad at scumhunting a large amount early on so I setup spec so I can actually provide help.In post 342, Gendaberry wrote:VOTE: Davsto
I think this ISO is pretty bad. Apart from calling smiffle's first vote awful, he hasn't done anything to scumhunt at all despite having a decent number of posts.He seems more preoccupied with setup/role speculation then actually catching scum.
Okay, this is a bizarre thing to change a read on (although I was fairly unsure on smiffle at first), but I feel that if he were scum and thought it was this, he probably wouldn't mention it, to try and let townies get hammered. Potentially even get a quickhammer in and walk off without even being at fault. I'm thinking maybe he's just slightly off town more than scum? I don't know, I'll see.In post 351, smiffle wrote:(psst, ms, you're right, and I'm a dumb-ass)
But seriously, what is up with Nana? Will she only respond if we vote her?
The vote count blatantly states she has a vote, so it has to be triggered by something...
Actually, potentially up to 5 Triforce flavours, looking at Project M. Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf.In post 370, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 368, Tails wrote:What makes you say that?
He tried to fish for triforces earlier, and as notedonly 3 flavoredhave triforces (even I know this), one is super bad villain
When I probed him, he couldn't answer, meaning he is bad
Guilty lion noted he was a ganon and even I know he is main evil
*series of text completely unrelated to me*In post 387, GuiltyLion wrote:Okay, my thing with Lickety is do you really feel like scum is gonna be saying trolly stuff like 81, 106, 190, 239, etc? I get that 'so reckless that scum wouldn't do it' isn't a compelling argument for towniness, but I don't think there's much there that's significantly scum-indicative either. I thought 219 by Tails was a particularly weak case because point 1 seems to imply he's scum for limiting his scumreads and then point 3 implies he is scum for casting suspicion on a wide number of people.
Plus it's not like the things LQ is actually doing have anti-town motivation to them, and there's several posts in his ISO where he makes insightful pushes or asks useful directed questions.
Regardless, he's chosen to introduce the WIFOM of "is this guy actually town or not?" at a few points in his play, which is why I wouldn't shed a tear if he got vigged. Eventually town will have to deal with him, but I don't think he's gonna make a useful D1 lynch and I think pushing him is basically the easiest thing one can do at the moment.
I like these recent posts from Metal Sonic.
VOTE: Davsto
*vote on me*
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[/quote]Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.In post 408, GuiltyLion wrote:Reasoning for my davsto vote is simply that he's voting for a townread and that another townread is voting him.
UNVOTE: smiffle, I'm feeling less sure on him. Not sure about another candidate though.
VOTE: Guilty because his defense on LQ looks white knight-y, his vote on me is chainsaw-y and weak.- Davsto
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One game I got quicklynched in about fifteen minutes from one super-scummy vote. I get worried.In post 411, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 409, Davsto wrote:*series of text completely unrelated to me*
*vote on me*
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Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.
I'm becoming rather fond of naked votes, they make people react in informative ways. Do you think people will seriously lynch you just because of my vote?
Former is ongoing so shh, and the latter I was scum. I'm kinda tetchy when people get a meta read on me that isn't right.In post 409, Davsto wrote:
because his defense on LQ looks white knight-y, his vote on me is chainsaw-y and weak.
You're better than this, this isn't giving me a reason to suddenly think you're town. You said earlier you don't really have a strong candidate... did you consider that I am in the same boat?
I see that you requested to know which games that I remember seeing you mislynched, I'm at work so I can't exactly meta dive but I promise I'll pull up the games I was thinking of later tonight or tomorrow. I remember a newbie game with pirate mollie and vedith? and a micro, possibly that one where everyone gets multiple votes.- Davsto
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In post 453, All Alone wrote:In post 215, Davsto wrote:honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting
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In post 205, Davsto wrote:Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.
In post 215, Davsto wrote:I'm not gonna put MM in conftown or anything for that claim but definitely leaning town.
confirm vote
In post 269, Davsto wrote:In post 263, smiffle wrote:In post 215, Davsto wrote:I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.
Hey, considering that All Alone pointed out the terrible reason you voted me to begin with, why are you still on my wagon?
I tend to trust myself more than I trust others whose alignments I am unaware of. Not because I think I'm "better", but because I know my reads come from a town perspective. I have no idea on All Alone's motives.
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One game I got quicklynched in about fifteen minutes from one super-scummy vote. I get worried.In post 411, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 409, Davsto wrote:*series of text completely unrelated to me*
*vote on me*
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Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.
I'm becoming rather fond of naked votes, they make people react in informative ways. Do you think people will seriously lynch you just because of my vote?
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But seriously, posts like that are bad. They don't even have to state reasons, they judt quote things and let the reader fill in the blank. Rather than risking inconsistency, they just quotes a bunch of things and let people interpret it their own way.
All Alone, explain every damn one of those "reasons" to me with some detail.- Davsto
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In post 557, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 483, Gendaberry wrote:In post 359, Tails wrote:In post 342, Gendaberry wrote:
I think this ISO is pretty bad. Apart from calling smiffle's first vote awful, he hasn't done anything to scumhunt at all despite having a decent number of posts. He seems more preoccupied with setup/role speculation then actually catching scum.
How is this worse than what Lickity has done?
It isn't, you're right
VOTE: Lickity
@Lickity - Now that you're townreading pretty much the only player you've pressured this game, do you plan on actually looking for scum or is that not something we should look forward to? You've interacted with almost everyone by now, do something with it.
I don't like the accusatory tone of this question like you already have a lock on me that I am Scum. I don't see how what I did changing a read is any means for scum motivation. I don't like that you are telling me I have to hurry up and produce stuff. I've contributed plenty and it takes a while for stuff to ferment to the point where stuff can actually be solved. I'm not good as solving stuff logically, but I do try to set up psychological tell that I am working on trying to interpret and that takes time. I'm currently newb status at doing this I'll admit, but my reasoning is sometimes pretty good, but it takes time and a lot of the time it helps to have a real vet to get stuff out of what I do, since I don't actually understand some of the stuff I do. I also don't like the complete agreeableness when, lets face it, Tails ISO doesn't look too good FMPOV. Tails ISO consist of saying "You Scum. I'm not going to explain anything, but I still think there is no reason for me to be wrong."
In post 528, Gendaberry wrote:In post 484, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'll deal with this later. I have another game that is about to start and I have to read like 26 pages (25ppp).
So are you planning on addressing this or are you just going to ignore it? Scumreading me won't make the fact that you've done very little recently any less true.
Again with the smug question like that's any indication of my alignment. It almost sounds like you are doing a "Ha! I caught you Scum and there's nothing you can do about it!" when there's really not much there.
Regarding the last paragraph: is he honestly calling Genda thinking he's scum a scumtell?- Davsto
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Thanks!
I genuinely forgot his name, and didn't have the effort to look it up.In post 573, All Alone wrote:In post 215, Davsto wrote:honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting
I don't think a townie would go out of their way to make it vague who they're voting like this. Townies almost always want more attention on the players they're voting. But if you're scum and you're just trying to vote park, a cutesy nickname doesn't get in your way at all. And both your smiffle and GuiltyLion votes read like vote parks, so.
I didn't townread him because of the Ascetic, it was more on the way he claimed it. Scum would keep it a secret to waste the actions of power roles. Speculating purely on the role, that was what I disagreed with. Speculating because of him claiming the role, is fine.In post 205, Davsto wrote:Speculating which alignment Mario is purely because he's Ascetic is stupid. End of.
In post 215, Davsto wrote:I'm not gonna put MM in conftown or anything for that claim but definitely leaning town.
I really don't see a good reason why you would adamantly insist that it's stupid to speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim, and then ten posts later speculate about Mario's alignment based on his ascetic claim. Seeing how Mario called you town in the time between those posts, it reads like you just decided to call him town just to stay buddies with him.
He was asking me to remove the vote because you said so. I said why doing that because you said so was bad. If he'd asked why I was keeping my vote on him point-wise, I'd have answered that. He talked about you, so I talked about you.In post 269, Davsto wrote:In post 263, smiffle wrote:In post 215, Davsto wrote:I wanna say that LQ is scum but honestly I still prefer whatsisname I'm voting (sue me) and I still think there's a chance that LQ is just dim, to put it politely. He seems genuine in believing I should be able to summon more about that ascetic.
Hey, considering that All Alone pointed out the terrible reason you voted me to begin with, why are you still on my wagon?
I tend to trust myself more than I trust others whose alignments I am unaware of. Not because I think I'm "better", but because I know my reads come from a town perspective. I have no idea on All Alone's motives.
This is a complete non-answer. You managed to answer the question "why are you still voting smiffle" without even mentioning smiffle. Not even off-handedly. If you legitimately felt you had a good reason to vote smiffle, I'm pretty sure you would have brought it up here.
I never brought my alignment into this. My one-game-experience thing has nothing to do with my alignment, it was purely to do with me being quicklynched. Stop projecting.In post 412, Davsto wrote:
One game I got quicklynched in about fifteen minutes from one super-scummy vote. I get worried.In post 411, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 409, Davsto wrote:*series of text completely unrelated to me*
*vote on me*
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Oh lovely, the best kind of read. Like seriously, this is just yeh.
I'm becoming rather fond of naked votes, they make people react in informative ways. Do you think people will seriously lynch you just because of my vote?
One-game self-meta is how scum try to prove they're town, because once you have enough games, you can use it to prove just about anything is your towngame. This is a pretty transparent example of that: being that the most popular wagon has always been Lickety, I seriously doubt you would be worried about getting quicklynched here. As a result, this doesn't read like you're genuinely explaining your behavior, it reads like you're just scrounging the bottom of the meta barrel to make a towncase for yourself.- Davsto
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In post 581, GuiltyLion wrote:Davsto can you stop defending yourself and start telling us about your reads on other players? Everything you've posted since 269 is solely intended to tell us you aren't scum (other than 565, which is just throwing shade on LQ). Am I still your top scumread? Are you still scumreading smiffle? What do you think of LQ? What do you think of literally any other player?
At least act like you're reading my posts before making comments like that.Spoiler: look at all the commenting on stuff I'm not doing!- Davsto
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Tunneling, or confirmation bias. Basically, a term meaning that All Alone seems more concerned in reading everything I do in a way that supports his hypothesis than actually analysing it.In post 590, smiffle wrote:Dav, what is that even a picture of? An underground tunnel?
Oh jeez, someone asking me to read Firebringer? When will people learn that I can't read the sneaky bastard. I'll have a go.To stop you from defending everything anyone asks you, what's your read on Firebringer's entry to the thread?- Davsto
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In post 698, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 695, Firebringer wrote:What the 'right' amount of theory crafting?
One step of setup assumption: OK
3 Three or more setup assumptions: Red flag galore.
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In post 702, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 701, Davsto wrote:In post 698, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 695, Firebringer wrote:What the 'right' amount of theory crafting?
One step of setup assumption: OK
3 Three or more setup assumptions: Red flag galore.
Setup speculation/assumption is very common for me.
Then you need to stop doing it cuz I will be scum reading you for it until proven otherwise.
I'm not going to stop doing things that I find helpful just because you tell me not to, broski.- Davsto
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In post 740, LicketyQuickety wrote:If Mario flips scum we have 3 confirmed Town. Nana, Dav and Myself.
How would I be confirmed town if Mario flipped scum?- Davsto
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In post 409, Davsto wrote:Actually, potentially up to 5 Triforce flavours, looking at Project M. Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf.- Davsto
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In post 795, Xtoxm wrote:i am a neutral survivor. ive approached the game in a town way and have every intention of continuing to do so.
lynch me if you want
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my ability is real and still means something, presumably.
bastard game yeah but. making someone a survivor and then telling someone else they are not town. what is the point. at least give me a safeclaim if ur gonna do that shit
survivor is not town, to be fair.
I'm not Link.Metal Sonic wrote:In post 793, Davsto wrote:On one hand this whole "I know two non-towns for certain" thing from Metal seems all-too convenient.
On the other hand I can see Xtoxm as scum.
I'm conflicted.
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Okay, so with Xtoxm.
He's claimed survivor. Quite simply, we'll have to lynch him sometime.
It doesn't matter when we lynch Xtoxm, we'll always have the same info, and that is he is survivor.
If we lynch Xtoxm, say, tomorrow, we have less info for today's lynch, reducing the chances of it hitting scum.
If we lynch Xtoxm today, we'll have more info for our first time we attempt to lynch scum.
Got it?- Davsto
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In post 961, Tails wrote:
No we don't.
In post 958, Davsto wrote:
If we lynch Xtoxm, say, tomorrow, we have less info for today's lynch, reducing the chances of it hitting scum.
I see you're going with the appeal to fear.
In post 958, Davsto wrote:
If we lynch Xtoxm today, we'll have more info for our first time we attempt to lynch scum.
No. We'll just have more dead townies and WIFOM.
Look, if you're really sure on another lynch target, go ahead.
But letting Xtoxm live to lylo is a terrible idea. He's a survivor; he couldn't give a shit about who wins, he'll just vote with whoever votes first.
Or maybe he's potentially even scum (sk?) hoping to skate by on a survivor claim and hope the WIFOM of it all leaves him alive. I mean, scum won't kill him.
The fact is, leaving alive someone who we know 100% isn't town is not a good idea. Ever.- Davsto
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In post 1033, Xtoxm wrote:I am a triforce daycop so I can help find Link.
Okay now you're talking.
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