Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

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/confirm

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Vote Lickity

Srs vote.

Hey Alone!

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Davsto is town.

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Looks like Sonic's town too.

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@Smiffle: Because you're bad.

@Sonic: *shrug*

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Actually your vote is quite good. Saw vc.

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I'm thinking Smiffle is town.

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It's on scum.

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Mario is scum.

That is all.

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Unvote
Vote Mario

I actually feel better about my chances there.

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Trying to decide on partner or white knight.

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Mario as scum confirmed! Sonic Team forever!

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Mario/Lickety team confirmed.

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People I like as Town here:

Dave
Ms OR GL
MM

Spot what's wrong with this post.

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Unvote

Looks like I was wrong.

Vote Lickity

This is still scum.

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Why Lickety is scum and you should vote him:
1.) He's hedging his bets. (MS or GL? Seriously? You couldn't just say you had 4 scumreads? You had to limit the amount you had? Seems fake.)
2.) He's fishing and only focused on roles and mechanics. No scumhunting from him whatsoever. This is metagaming at its finest. It's filler.
3.) He's spreading suspicion everywhere and keeping his options open. Look at the last 2 pages and see how many people he's called suspect.

Now lynch the obv. scum.

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Oh look. I made the scum angry. I did notice how you tried to turn this back on me while dodging everything I just said.

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Besides, I wouldn't call what you've posted content.

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1.) Ms and GL both looked scummy to me on a first go through of the thread. I was thinking at the time that there's no way these two are scum together. I've changed my reads since then, sue me.

Why couldn't they be scum together?

2.) OK I don't see at all how I am not Scum hunting here. How many things have I done to try and poke at things? At this stage of the game do you really think that anyone has a lot to go on? I opened fishing for reactions and I got some which informs me on peoples alignment. I've reread the thread like 3-4 times now and each time I am picking up new things to think about. I made a rush at the start and I did it to reread those reactions that were happening when Scum are in their most unnatural state.

You're setup specing. There's a difference.

You on the other had have only made face value stance on things and sheeped hard.

Am I? Just because I'm not up front with my judgements doesn't mean I'm not making them. And MS has been sheeping me, tyvm.

3.) OR, you know, everyone is Scum at this point and I'm trying to see who is Town first. AFAIK I still have my vote on the same person who I originally had my first Scum read on.

Why is you vote parking supposed to prove towniness?

Tails, I know I look Scummy because I have weird behavior, but I have done way more than a pretty good portion of the players in this game so far. Your case is weak.

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@Lickity: Why are you refusing to answer my questions?

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I don't like the sudden movement of some players to throw doubt on the Alive townread or to scumread ALL the players on Lickity. Alive is the towniest person in the game besides me. As for the Lickity wagon scumreads, that's the only thing that makes me think Lickity might be town.

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3rd reason sounds like you think he's opportunistic, but that's basically your first reason. Point out to me multiple instances of him being opportunistic than maybe that'll support what you're saying.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he started setting up suspicion on everyone. It gave him multiple outs. And I'm not going to quote 2 entire pages. If you want it, you can easily pull up his ISO and see him suspect nearly every player in this game in a short amount of time. That's extreme for even the most paranoid town player.

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@Sonic: Yeah, that's what I mean.

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I think this ISO is pretty bad. Apart from calling smiffle's first vote awful, he hasn't done anything to scumhunt at all despite having a decent number of posts. He seems more preoccupied with setup/role speculation then actually catching scum.

How is this worse than what Lickity has done?

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(psst tails, so far the only town read I've seen in your iso is me, and that's not very reassuring)

Reread. I'm townreading you, Sonic, Alive, and Dav.

psst tails, you've barely acknowledged your partner in crime, Ms, even though they've sheeped every single vote you've made in the entire game

Sonic is being Sonic. I actually think this makes him likely town.

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3rd reason sounds like you think he's opportunistic, but that's basically your first reason. Point out to me multiple instances of him being opportunistic than maybe that'll support what you're saying.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he started setting up suspicion on everyone. It gave him multiple outs. And I'm not going to quote 2 entire pages. If you want it, you can easily pull up his ISO and see him suspect nearly every player in this game in a short amount of time. That's extreme for even the most paranoid town player.

Who did this? Powerlynch him immediately

I'm trying. Nobody wants to lynch the scummiest player in the game.

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I don't like Lion continuing to push the Lickity-jester angle. I didn't like it when Lickity even suggested that, and I find that jester theories/defenses tend to come from scum. Lion's also one of the people pushing both "everyone on the Lickity wagon is scummy" and "Alive shouldn't be townread".

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I'm torn on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing to leave Nana alive. I'd hate to leave her alone only to find out that by doing so we've auto lost.

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Also not sure what to think of Xtoxm.

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What makes you say that?

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I have stronger reads on Lickity, so I want to pursue there. I can figure out Xtoxm later.

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Sonic, I wouldn't worry about me if I were you. I have this handled.

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I thought you had said that. I guess I was wrong. Makes me feel a bit better about you, though.

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The strongest point is that he's focusing on setup stuff instead of scumhunting. When you eliminate all the setup and role related stuff from his iso, what are you left with?

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137 provides his scumreads

That's his wagon. That's about as manufactured of scumreads as you can get and is not scumhunting.

145 justified townread on MM

Mario just defended him, and he goes back on this as soon as it's convenient.

204 and 206 push on Davsto

This is role spec, not scumhunting.

229 looks like a town post that serves as both a defense of self and a small push on W-nl

This is none of the above and is very wimpy reasoning from scum caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

241 and 271 asking different players for reads, 343 asking another player for more reads.

Asking for reads is not scumhunting. It's busywork.

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Prodge. Will be back tomorrowish. Maybe. Expect much spamming then.

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African or European?

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399 reads to me like = "A) he's not scumhunting, therefore B) he's scum". I agree on A but I don't think B follows from A. It's not convincing to me, especially this early in the game, sorry.

It's nice that you'll ignore the very basics of finding scum.

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Tails has huge congimation bias against me for not likeing my opening I think. I would normally give then a town read for this but the fact that they want to lynch me asap is really bad to do as town.

That has nothing to do with why I'm voting you. I listed out my case against you. Did you forget that already?

I think Ms is just voting me because they hold a grudge against me which is not really alignment indicative, but shows they are bordering on not playing to their win con.

This should be setting peoples' scumdar off. The focus here is more on discrediting the wagon over confronting it.

As far as my vote on MM is concerned, I voted them because I didn't like them buddying me and that is really the only reason.

But you were okay with it when he first did it?

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i had a dream last night that tails was an evil genie in a mirror who could grant wishes, but after 3 wishes he stole your soul

that was spooky

Only on my days off.

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@Lickity: Why are you refusing to answer my questions?

Really? What questions am I avoiding answering?

1.) Ms and GL both looked scummy to me on a first go through of the thread. I was thinking at the time that there's no way these two are scum together. I've changed my reads since then, sue me.

Why couldn't they be scum together?

3.) OR, you know, everyone is Scum at this point and I'm trying to see who is Town first. AFAIK I still have my vote on the same person who I originally had my first Scum read on.

Why is you vote parking supposed to prove towniness?

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I don't like Dav's response to Alone's #453.

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not planning to hard defend lq here in case im wrong. but i doubt he's scum, i hate lynching the most active player on d1 as a general rule, dont plan on being involved. so yeah do this if you want, but, on your own.

*cough*Varsoon*cough* Also, don't like this statement in general. Gives me bad vibes.

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I will say that because of the claim that they can prolly live today, but don't like the visiting a dead player bit. What exactly is the purpose of visiting a dead player must have a reason and if it looks to be a pretty underwhelming find then I think its pretty safe in saying this slot is scum.

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Also, Firebringer has the cutest avi on the site. Carry on.

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i missed the claim. hes very likely town due to that.

I know, and its a PL if the claim is bogus right?

Mixed feelings on this one.

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???

Do you have an actual question here?

can you like stop talking about vig kills

why are you still voting genda? do you disbelieve the miller claim?

The claim is really really weird and this is definitely a really bastard game if they are miller and they get guilty on Watcher and Tracker. I can't for the life of me figure out how that works in this game.

Gravedigger.

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Can...
someone...
anyone...
lay out any reason at all why Nana could be town?
What do we do with people who aren't town?

Why are you so afraid of Nana?

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Nana does not have the same win-condition as all town.

How do you know that?

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Does anyone other then Dav have any sort of read on Firebringer?

I'm waiting until he finishes posting catchup stuff.

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I like Fire for Town in this post.

So I read up a little.
On page 6:

This is what I think so.

Metal Sonic tries all his quirky gambits early game. I don't think anyone takes him seriously, but I def think he is town.

Davsto reacts cautiously to all of the 'gambits' and is mostly playful, I would say Null on him.

Tails just gives horrible X is town and Y is scum. He looks like all his reads are from other people too. I give those reads also, but come on >.>

Mario is town because everyone was trying to paint a target on his back.

Smiffle seems scummy cause he was trying to be opportunistic it seems.

Thats what I got so far, taking a break. Be back later for 8-20 I guess.

Why?

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would be fine to lynch xtomx too

I'm actually curious as to why he's getting so many town reads.

what's wrong with varsoon?

Example of how the most active poster can be obvious town.

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i missed the claim. hes very likely town due to that.

I know, and its a PL if the claim is bogus right?

Mixed feelings on this one.

What kind of feelings are mixed?

I hate that it seems to be setting up a Genda lynch on the basis of a miller claim. That's an easy lynch for scum to push through. But on second glance, I think there's something here that may make Lickety town.

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I think he is just saying that like "Nana is scum, has anti town win condition"

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Something happened to make Mario freak out about that slot.

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Unvote
Vote Mario

@Lickety: Do you still have a Wanderer townread?

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@Alive: I want to field test Genda tonight. You in?

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On an unrelated note, I should probably stop posting so much before Sonic figures out who I am.

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I'm confirming nothing.

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Not interested in Xtoxm or Lickety. Wanderer is still up in the air. Will have more when I actually go through stuff.

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Unvote
Vote Mario

@Lickety: Do you still have a Wanderer townread?

I have him as total Null right now.

Why were you townreading him so hard after his first post?

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3.) OR, you know, everyone is Scum at this point and I'm trying to see who is Town first. AFAIK I still have my vote on the same person who I originally had my first Scum read on.

Why is you vote parking supposed to prove towniness?

Ha! I could ask you the same thing!

I'm not using it to defend myself. Answer the question.

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Tails do you have a read on Wanderer?

Leaning scum.

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What are people scumreading Wanderer on?
I have very Null on Wanderer, just wondering whats so scummy that their is wagon forming for.

PoE for me. Lickity essentially being close to conf. town and the Xtoxm reveal just blew this game wide open.

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Can we just freaking lynch now?

Hi scum.

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There is no pro-town motivation in being against a survivor lynch. Advocating lynching somebody else is explicitly anti-town, and I'm suspicious of everyone choosing not to be on the Xtoxm wagon.

Scum will be on the Xtoxm wagon. Just saying.

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Can you name a pro-town reason for not lynching a claimed survivor D1 that doesn't rely on trusting the Surv's intentions?

It's not a lynch on scum.

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Firebringer's reaction moves him squarely into town. Have scum narrowed down to {Wanderer, Asp, Genda}. Might be wrong and missing one, but feeling confident there. By the way, not trusting Genda's claim to be remotely town anymore.

Vote Wanderer

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@Nana: If I ask you a series of questions, will you give me honest direct answers?

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@Lickity: Wouldn't that have been more of a null-read, then? You defended him pretty hard.

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Will you vote Wanderer with me?

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He postured on Xtoxm pretty hard, voted him after putting on a show, then tried to end the day quickly after making a big deal on not wanting to rush the Xtoxm lynch with his vote. Wanderer is scum.

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8.5

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Look:
Xtoxm is survivor. Not scum.
Nana is a mechanic.
I'm conf. town.
You, Alive, Ika, Smiffle, and Firebringer are super duper town.
Lion and Davsto are town, too, but less so.
That leaves Wanderer, Asp, and Genda. Genda will be confirmed one way or the other. That just leaves Wanderer and Asp, and Wanderer has scummy content.

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If you want to push this, you will lose.

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Tails, why are all of your scumreads people who have lurked or been generally quiet in comparison to the rest of the thread?

Did you even read my post? I was quite clear on where my head's at.

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He's claimed survivor. Quite simply, we'll have to lynch him sometime.

No we don't.

If we lynch Xtoxm, say, tomorrow, we have less info for today's lynch, reducing the chances of it hitting scum.

I see you're going with the appeal to fear.

If we lynch Xtoxm today, we'll have more info for our first time we attempt to lynch scum.

No. We'll just have more dead townies and WIFOM.

[Tails]

Right now we have no confirmed Scum...

And that's going to change on future days?

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Let me spell this out for you, because no one seems to get it. We have 13 player slots. 2 of them are of no consequence. 1 of those 2 wins as long as they're alive. If you're town and counting on a Lylo situation, you're playing wrong. If the goal is to lynch scum, lynching the survivor is only slightly more optimal than a no lynch and should be avoided unless there is no other option. Most people tend to root for town. The best option is to allow the survivor a chance to share the win and leave them to the vig to decide if further action is necessary. I'm willing to gamble on lynching scum before a kingmaker situation comes into play. Out of the 11 left, I can tell you that 5 have made their town alignment extremely apparent. That leaves 6, of which I have a strong townread on 1 of them, weaker townreads on 2, a scumread on 1, and nothing much on the last 2. Of the last 2, I plan on sorting the miller claim fully within the next couple of days. If you just want to go strictly on the odds, and not on just my reads, we have 6 slots to find scum in. This isn't that hard.

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Unless you have a better case on {Asp, Lion, Davesto}. And I really doubt I'm going to be going for either of the last 2.

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I can tell you that Ika and MS have both been within their town meta.

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@Ika: Or we could ignore it and let a possible vig take care of it. Besides, what scumhunting have you done outside of the survivor policy lynch?

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Nana, why aren't you talking to me?

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@Nana: If I ask you a series of questions, will you give me honest direct answers?

Crap

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I was really hoping to make it more than one game before being outed. Trying to decide if I should keep up this alt's gimmick.

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To be fair, I only made this alt to see what would happen if nobody knew I was the one behind the slot. I suspected a bit of bias in P4, and I wanted to know if I was suspected on just my actions or my reputation.

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Trying a solution to prevent future slips. A little too late now, though.

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I assume I'm correct that you're a mechanic with no alignment?

[Tails]

But I'm correct that you're a mechanic? I'm assuming something to do with a hammer. I'm just not seeing the liklihood of the mod including an extra slot designed for a specific faction. I've just been paranoid that your mechanic could be detrimental to town, but I'm seeing that less given your reaction to Mario. I just want to know if you are forced to automatically hammer when someone gets to L-1. If that's the case, then we should treat L-2 as the new L-1. If it's not, I don't think I really care atm.

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@Ika: Or we could ignore it and let a possible vig take care of it. Besides, what scumhunting have you done outside of the survivor policy lynch?

Are you claiming vig? cus if not i think you should look at the idea of a vig not being here

Regardless, I disagree with the pl Survivor mindset. Look back at Capcom. I was adamant there, too. It's a lazy lynch option, especially on a slot that is not opposed to town.

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So you think she is a compulive hammer voter right now?

I mean if that was the case why didnt she claim first post?

Because I think she's trying not to get involved. Mechanic vs. actual player. We're not supposed to know automatically. We're supposed to figure it out.

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@Nana: I just want to know if your mechanic has to do with a compulsion to hammer anything at L-1.

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Ika. No talking about ongoing games. Tell me, is there some other reason you want him lynched?

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I also don't think I'm the only alt in the game.