Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

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Confirm

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VOTE: tails

The mortal battle!

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This will be interesting......

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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I think you ruined a surprise

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Could we treat nana like a real person? Could be a co mod or a friend role playing

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Davsto are you scum

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dayvig davsto

Good bye

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Arrow of Light: Davsto

oops

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Mod can we know how many players in the game and how many to lynch?

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Mod can we know how many players in the game and how many to lynch?

Newb question. Don't like it. You've played a newbie. Don't like at all.

You dumb shit

We have a gate crasher in the game

Of course we need to check

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VOTE: quickety

Cool scum

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Wow, this game has bad form. No one talking about my "every VT should cliam" claim? For shame!

On this topic, does anyone have a triforce? This a highly important question.

i don't have one, but I can give one to someone.

I feel like you're trolling, but could elaborate on this?

Hmm according to my knowledge of link games

Zelda link and Ganon have a triforce

What are you

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Ganon is scum while Zelda and link should be town


Although mod said flavor doesn't matter but who actually believes that

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Who is sheik

I am dumb

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*le gasp*

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Didn't play OOT I only know hearsay

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VOTE: metal sonic

I am a grave sinner

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I like your avatar

Was tails in SSBM? I thought only sonic

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sorry. with 14 players, it's 8 to lynch.

Can you put this in every c. Pls

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VOTE: lickety

But seriously he is scum

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Is that manzelda???

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Mario as scum confirmed! Sonic Team forever!

Sonic team on the mark!

VOTE: mario

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BTOOOOM Mario

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Those were fake. Btoom was real. But he's ascetic. How convenient.

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Those were fake. Btoom was real. But he's ascetic. How convenient.

Fake? Are you for serious right now? That thing you did to him seems a little to specific to be for reactions and stuff. Please explain why you did it then? Didn't seem to really get any reaction other than the one I just gave.

I should've shot you instead you scummy butt

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I'd like to have a serious conversation about this whole % thing if you guys wouldn't mind? I'd done being silly and am playing for real now so can we talk about this % thing?

If I had a guess I'd say that our abilities rack up the % and after so much if someone does a -> A they go flying off the screen or something?

Dav mentioning kill already is really bizarre to me.

Oh yeah. It sounds like the % is like 2 shots here though, over simplified

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Unvote

Looks like I was wrong.

Vote Lickity

This is still scum.

Sonic team trust!

VOTE: lickety

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% is %

Lynch are OHKO

So is my bomb

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get someone to translate

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I want a single read by the time the (real) day is over. I'ts 5pm now.

I already said All Alone is a townread. Liking Mario as town too. If you want weak scumleans, I'm thinking at least one of Davsto, Metal Sonic, or Tails is scum, but I'm not gonna advocate to lynch any of them yet. I prefer watching and evaluating early wagons rather than being on them.

IMO it's a lot easier for scum to dress up a bunch of bs on someone and "sort" them as town or scum. I get that fence-sitting and not expressing oneself makes you less transparent, but I refuse to give strong reads when I don't fully believe in them. People will keep scumreading me for it in the early game, I'll use that assess whether their intentions are honest or not, and I'll prove them wrong as the game goes on.

Where did you get the "one of X,Y,Z is scum"? Did you notice something associated between us or did you just pick the top 3 posters or cool people and randomly decided that there must be scum within any random group of 3 people?

Cause statistically, that's correct, but who knows

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So why are you called us "one of X Y Z is scum" instead of "I am scumreading these 3 people"?


Logic doesn't flow to me

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Does it mean that if one of us flips scum the other two or conftown??

Cause it looks like you're trying to stir trouble


And that's scummy

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ASP in my experience is a chronic lurker. As ever i'm not going to particularly want him kept around if he continues to do nothing, but at the same time him doing nothing isn't scum indicative, unfortunately.

Nana is a still a mod alt and I support poking at it.

Nana

, do you use your vote?

Lurking is a disease

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Does it mean that if one of us flips scum the other two or conftown??

Cause it looks like you're trying to stir trouble


And that's scummy

This is a huge reach. They are all completely independent of eachother. The only real associative I have right now is that my Tails read is a bit dependent on LQ's alignment, if I were to somehow know that LQ were scum then I'd say Tails is almost conftown instead.

I'm answering questions asked of me, how does that read to you like I'm stirring trouble? You asked me to explain why I had those three names, I explained, and now you spin that as me stirring up trouble? The reason I said "at least one of" is because I'm not so bold as to assume I nailed the scumteam 10 pages into the game.

That's the fault of your own wording. "At least one of" suggested that you feel that all 3 scumreads were dependent .

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So why are you called us "one of X Y Z is scum" instead of "I am scumreading these 3 people"?


Logic doesn't flow to me

This is such a meh post from you. Get out of here with that crap.

Fuck off

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"At least one of my siblings is male" = if you showed me your two sisters then your last sibling is male

Not the same for your scumreads though

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So if me and tails flipped town then you gonna flip davsto

If davsto flipped town "lol oops haha!!"

Your theory can't even be proven until people are dead

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Ok

Glad we clarified

I'm townreading tails though so I disagree and maybe it was why I took issue if you were gonna flip all 3

I mean like only davsto is acceptable

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Because he's lyching scum

Like you

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Because he's lyching scum

Like you

That is a bunch of speculation wrapped in speculation. Care to elaborate and maybe give a reason or 2?

Don't care enough for you

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Why don't you check my wiki you lazy fuck

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pun fully intended

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Report it, it won't matter

I know what gets me banned and what doesn't

get rekt you gratituious faking scum

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it's only the f word

unless he's 12, then ok fine




O wait kids under 12 shouldn't be on site

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not the most immature either, fortunately

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he'll get exclusive rights to write my biography too

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No,

I voted lickety before tails ^^

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Sounds possible

She could also be auto dealing damage


Seems like a bot


I really like this mechanic idea though, want to see how vonflare utilizes this

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Maybe you mean "alone"

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3rd reason sounds like you think he's opportunistic, but that's basically your first reason. Point out to me multiple instances of him being opportunistic than maybe that'll support what you're saying.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he started setting up suspicion on everyone. It gave him multiple outs. And I'm not going to quote 2 entire pages. If you want it, you can easily pull up his ISO and see him suspect nearly every player in this game in a short amount of time. That's extreme for even the most paranoid town player.

Who did this? Powerlynch him immediately

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3rd reason sounds like you think he's opportunistic, but that's basically your first reason. Point out to me multiple instances of him being opportunistic than maybe that'll support what you're saying.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he started setting up suspicion on everyone. It gave him multiple outs. And I'm not going to quote 2 entire pages. If you want it, you can easily pull up his ISO and see him suspect nearly every player in this game in a short amount of time. That's extreme for even the most paranoid town player.

Who did this? Powerlynch him immediately

I'm trying. Nobody wants to lynch the scummiest player in the game.

Lickety did that???


Omg lynch him now like NOW ASAP

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Also not sure what to think of Xtoxm.

Xtoxm is likely scum

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I'm torn on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing to leave Nana alive. I'd hate to leave her alone only to find out that by doing so we've auto lost.

Likely a neutral party or something, probably interacts with roles or deals damage to random people

I wouldn't be too concerned until more is revealed to us

Scum can consider shooting her and see what happens

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What makes you say that?

He tried to fish for triforces earlier, and as noted only 3 flavored have triforces (even I know this), one is super bad villain

When I probed him, he couldn't answer, meaning he is bad

Guilty lion noted he was a ganon and even I know he is main evil

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My role corresponds fairly to my flavor so yeah we'll have to expunge xtomx at some point in time


Play wise he is also following his scum meta. I have a lot of games with xtoxm already (<3) and yeah I can differentiate. Heavily leaning scum or 3rd party since he doesn't look like working with lickety and co

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Maybe lion is a role that needs lickety alive

Maybe like lovers or unrequited lovers?


He doesn't look like scum on the surface

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Agreed fully

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Ur scum

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@tails

Do you have hitstun? I feel that we should coordinate people to roleblock because it's only a half roleblock

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wrong.

im never wrong about u bby

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Your posts were quite interesting though; i'm townreading you now. What's your policy on survivors?

you talking to me?

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kill all non-town is my policy

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Okay, my thing with Lickety is do you really feel like scum is gonna be saying trolly stuff like 81, 106, 190, 239, etc? I get that 'so reckless that scum wouldn't do it' isn't a compelling argument for towniness, but I don't think there's much there that's significantly scum-indicative either. I thought 219 by Tails was a particularly weak case because point 1 seems to imply he's scum for limiting his scumreads and then point 3 implies he is scum for casting suspicion on a wide number of people.

Plus it's not like the things LQ is actually doing have anti-town motivation to them, and there's several posts in his ISO where he makes insightful pushes or asks useful directed questions.

Regardless, he's chosen to introduce the WIFOM of "is this guy actually town or not?" at a few points in his play, which is why I wouldn't shed a tear if he got vigged. Eventually town will have to deal with him, but I don't think he's gonna make a useful D1 lynch and I think pushing him is basically the easiest thing one can do at the moment.

I like these recent posts from Metal Sonic.

VOTE: Davsto

Lickety's questions are really useless and don't advance the game at all

His posts seem like he is coasting and fluffing and trying to look active but actually already knows his teammates and so doesn't need to scumhunting


How can you see that as town

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Lmao looks like we disagree fundamentally about lickety advancing the game eh

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also asking players for reads is by definition advancing the game. Every time a player has to post reads (or explicitly choose not to give them), that's a benchmark that everyone can hold them accountable to later.

That's basic. Any player can do that. It's 0 effort needed by the asker. More credit should be given to the answerer.

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How can you see that as town

I don't see it as town, I just don't see it as particularly scum either. If we all played like you and Tails right now, we'd run up a wagon on 'obvscum' LQ, then if/when he flipped town (which is likely given sheer probability), we'd be left with virtually no significant information.

Sheerly by probability? Lol ok


Information can be gotten by night actions

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That's basic. Any player can do that. It's 0 effort needed by the asker. More credit should be given to the answerer.

I'm not giving LQ any credit, I'm just not taking away points from him either.

Yeah when he has 10 points and everyone else has 50 points and above, I'm sure as hell lynching him

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399 reads to me like = "A) he's not scumhunting, therefore B) he's scum". I agree on A but I don't think B follows from A. It's not convincing to me, especially this early in the game, sorry.

I'm not gonna be his lawyer so I'm dropping it after this, he can defend himself from here on out. But seriously, look at his completed games. The dude gets ML'd on D1 all the time. I wouldn't be so sure that you've 'caught scum' when many before you have thought the exact same only to find instead that they 'caught' a highly mislynchable player.

okay... why dont you check for his towntells and scumtells too?

is his skill level as scum significantly better that lynching D1 would be a mistake?

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if he's lynchable at D1 as town but also as scum then your point is very moot

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oh sure drawing discussion out is good

just wanted to make things crystal clear -- that there is no reason NOT to lynch lickety, cuz he is super scummy



let's talk about your davsto vote+read then.

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Okay, my thing with Lickety is do you really feel like scum is gonna be saying trolly stuff like 81, 106, 190, 239, etc? I get that 'so reckless that scum wouldn't do it' isn't a compelling argument for towniness, but I don't think there's much there that's significantly scum-indicative either. I thought 219 by Tails was a particularly weak case because point 1 seems to imply he's scum for limiting his scumreads and then point 3 implies he is scum for casting suspicion on a wide number of people.

Plus it's not like the things LQ is actually doing have anti-town motivation to them, and there's several posts in his ISO where he makes insightful pushes or asks useful directed questions.

Regardless, he's chosen to introduce the WIFOM of "is this guy actually town or not?" at a few points in his play, which is why I wouldn't shed a tear if he got vigged. Eventually town will have to deal with him, but I don't think he's gonna make a useful D1 lynch and I think pushing him is basically the easiest thing one can do at the moment.

I like these recent posts from Metal Sonic.

VOTE: Davsto

reasoning for why lickety is notscum, but no reasoning for davsto vote.

want to patch that up?

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I've never played a game with Lickety before, and, since meta is terrible, looking up his meta would be an enormous waste of time. I can tell you this: he's scummy in this game right now, and that's all that matters.

a++++++++++++++++++++++++++


smiffle is boosted to high town

congratulations

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I'm having trouble interpreting All Alone's post, instead of someone translating it to me, it would be cool if he could show up and make an actual post instead of the same repeated thing tacked onto a bunch of quotes.

translation: davsto is scummy as fuck and you should vote him


i do not necessarily share the same opinion but meh

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because all lickety talks about is strategy and theory

which is what tails was complaining about

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i have dave meta, i can differentiate between him town and scum. right now the read isnt conclusive so i wont put vote yet

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dav ur weird

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i hate lynching the most active player on d1 as a general rule,

this is incidentally true

but i find lickety really scummy in the first place so i think he is just scumming up the thread

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:/

not planning to hard defend lq here in case im wrong. but i doubt he's scum, i hate lynching the most active player on d1 as a general rule, dont plan on being involved. so yeah do this if you want, but, on your own.

does no one else find wanders recent posts scummy?

i hate lynching the most active player on d1 as a general rule,

this is incidentally true

but i find lickety really scummy in the first place so i think he is just scumming up the thread

COUGHWETHEPURPLEIICOUGH

ur weird

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Nana is being prodded.

lol wut

Hmmmmm

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Could be a mod alt but a co-mod or a friend.

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no comments, is boring

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How can a mod alt be evil?

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How can a mod alt be evil?

How do you know it's a mod alt, to start off?

Because he was added unnaturally with an obvious flavor theme name?

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How can a mod alt be evil?

How do you know it's a mod alt, to start off?

Because he was added unnaturally with an obvious flavor theme name?

Which could be for a player, a friend?
Stuff not the mod?
But let's start with this. She's the unnaturally added player who hasn't been talking. Nana is not a town-poster, contributing to the town wincon. Nana does not have the same win-condition as all town.
We need to get rid of Nana today. Her flip could fill in some gaps in the setup of the many not filled by my Role PM, and that applies for all of us, I'd think.

We don't have to get rid of her "today" we have real scum to lynch

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How can a mod alt be evil?

How do you know it's a mod alt, to start off?

Because he was added unnaturally with an obvious flavor theme name?

Which could be for a player, a friend?
Stuff not the mod?
But let's start with this. She's the unnaturally added player who hasn't been talking. Nana is not a town-poster, contributing to the town wincon. Nana does not have the same win-condition as all town.
We need to get rid of Nana today. Her flip could fill in some gaps in the setup of the many not filled by my Role PM, and that applies for all of us, I'd think.

We don't have to get rid of her "today" we have real scum to lynch

Since your read on me is so wrong, I will not be sheeping you or following your reads.

I didn't ask you

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i had a dream last night that tails was an evil genie in a mirror who could grant wishes, but after 3 wishes he stole your soul

that was spooky

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yeah it was a part-time thing. he was playing mafia and posting during normal hours

also i think the lull in voting lickety is because deadline is still a while away and they want to "prolong discussion"

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would be fine to lynch xtomx too

what's wrong with varsoon?

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Firebringer what's up?

i didnt know you were in this game

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Also, Firebringer has the cutest avi on the site. Carry on.

maybe

if we ever feel bad about lickety (i dont yet) then we can lynch xtomx then

he's scum

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im still drawing a blank, i'm not even trying so <3

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let's not talk about that


do you feel that lickety is town? from where? i see that i might be wrong considering his AtE spam, but i would rather vote xtoxm

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than mario

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VOTE: xtoxm

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If you have bad gut feels from xtoxm: vote him wit me. Let's get a wagon and a claim

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please vote with me

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Why are you scared of nana but not random lurkers?

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This Mario tunneling looks sooooo forced

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VOTE: Smiffle

^ Thats where we all should be voting.

I don't like this because smiffle looks town to me

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oh so xtoxm is ganondorf, he's scum

as guilty lion suggested


i am zelda, and i have ~abilities~

i have info that link and ganon are both scum and need to die

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guys, xtoxm scumclaimed, lynch him asap

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when i said scum i meant non-town


because apparently MM4 fliped "neutral"

dumb specifics

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i want all non-town gone to win

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VOTE: xtoxm

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also i am town

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If you have bad gut feels from xtoxm: vote him wit me. Let's get a wagon and a claim

sure idc

ganondorf

triforce daycop

checked sonic and hes a triforce

this may mean hes scum, though my role pm says nothing about triforce relating to alignment, and im a triforce myself

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On one hand this whole "I know two non-towns for certain" thing from Metal seems all-too convenient.

On the other hand I can see Xtoxm as scum.

I'm conflicted.

if you are link you should stop this waffling

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i dont have a triforce daycop but i was given knowledge of two players being non town at start

you were all too convenient fishing

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all of you put vote on xtoxm ASAP.


non-town is non town.

always lynch all non town. this is my policy.

because non-town is a little line away from scum

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my presence in this game confirmed as town and potentially getting docced/bodyguarded (because role madness, right?) would be a great asset.


it would be better than a mislynch anyway. i want to see votes piling up on xtoxm. later we can hunt scum or get rid of link (davsto?) but for now lets lynch the claimed scum

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lickety did a good deed for the town and falcon punched MM4 the serial killer

i reward good deeds by being nice to him and not going to lynch him



lynch guaranteed nontown > potential day 1 mislynch

lets go

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i am 100% sure you are not being 100% honest with your role so please go ahead and eat a turbolynch

thanks for claiming

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Actually if Xt plays for town I wouldn't mind having a co-dependent relationship with such a role if they are survivor. Xt is a super vet so having him sniff out Scum could be a good thing.

PEdit. Do you guys really not see this? I mean like there is 2 or more survivor roles, what make one better to keep the other.

I'd rather keep the Vet around personally.

i'll be the replacement vet, dont worry.

we can sniff out the other survivor later, or we can lynch scum later.

today, there is the highest chance for mislynch. let's play it safe

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i am 100% sure you are not being 100% honest with your role so please go ahead and eat a turbolynch

thanks for claiming

Whats to make me think that you are not the other part of the survivor roles?

what are you talking about?

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lickety, i am sorry for scumhunting you just now and pressuring you. i want to thank you for punch mario maniac. please accept my offer and lynch non-town with me

its in my role pm to probably prevent them from claiming immediately anyway

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OK

davsto, tails, and nana, need your votes

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waste of abilities. we need to use them to stop scum.

tell me, how many games have you seen, that town mislynched day 1?

this is a buffer card for us to use abilities to cop/investigate/trap scum tonight and can come back with more information tomorrow

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This AtE really makes me want to lynch you.

seriously?

he just told you to lynch him

the lynch is endorsed by a publically claiming informed townie

why are you hesitating?

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ftr wanderer's post added some scumpoints for being unnatural

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All but like 3-4.

yeah

so as you can see, town tend to go around in circles and mislynch day 1 quite often


lynching non-town today is a correct choice, yet doesn't mean we lose a townie, and allows us to come back tomorrow with probably tasty results


lynching claimed scum is always the right move

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ftr wanderer's post added some scumpoints for being unnatural

What, you mean like all their other post as well?

yeah,

you see

we can "think" wanderer is scum

but he might be town

the % is not 100%.

xtoxm being scum is 100%. maybe lesser impact, but i think even if he is "neutral", he would have some buff anti-town abilities.


i would rather use abilities and block/trap/attack wanderer during the night JUST IN CASE he isnt scum you see

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All but like 3-4.

yeah

so as you can see, town tend to go around in circles and mislynch day 1 quite often


lynching non-town today is a correct choice, yet doesn't mean we lose a townie, and allows us to come back tomorrow with probably tasty results


lynching claimed scum is always the right move

stop calling me scum fuckboi

sorry dude

unlike pieguy, who see SK and mafia differently,

i belong to the camp where all SK 3p neutral = scum


i can stop being a dick, however.

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i'm going to leave now because i think it would be considerate for me to stop antagonizing xtoxm. also need to wait for other people to come online

sorry bro, but mod put a counterrole in the game and i drew it