Mini 1732 - Super Smash Bros. Project M(afia) - D7!

[Xtoxm]

couldn't answer lol. what are you on about.

[Metal Sonic]

Ur scum

[Xtoxm]

wrong.

[Metal Sonic]

@tails

Do you have hitstun? I feel that we should coordinate people to roleblock because it's only a half roleblock

[Metal Sonic]

wrong.

im never wrong about u bby

[Xtoxm]

Your posts were quite interesting though; i'm townreading you now. What's your policy on survivors?

[Tails]

Sonic, I wouldn't worry about me if I were you. I have this handled.

[GuiltyLion]

Lion's also one of the people pushing both "everyone on the Lickity wagon is scummy" and "Alive shouldn't be townread".

Nope, I've consistently said All Alone is a townread. Do not spread misinformation about me

[Tails]

I thought you had said that. I guess I was wrong. Makes me feel a bit better about you, though.

[Metal Sonic]

Your posts were quite interesting though; i'm townreading you now. What's your policy on survivors?

you talking to me?

[Xtoxm]

mhm

[Metal Sonic]

kill all non-town is my policy

[GuiltyLion]

Okay, my thing with Lickety is do you really feel like scum is gonna be saying trolly stuff like 81, 106, 190, 239, etc? I get that 'so reckless that scum wouldn't do it' isn't a compelling argument for towniness, but I don't think there's much there that's significantly scum-indicative either. I thought 219 by Tails was a particularly weak case because point 1 seems to imply he's scum for limiting his scumreads and then point 3 implies he is scum for casting suspicion on a wide number of people.

Plus it's not like the things LQ is actually doing have anti-town motivation to them, and there's several posts in his ISO where he makes insightful pushes or asks useful directed questions.

Regardless, he's chosen to introduce the WIFOM of "is this guy actually town or not?" at a few points in his play, which is why I wouldn't shed a tear if he got vigged. Eventually town will have to deal with him, but I don't think he's gonna make a useful D1 lynch and I think pushing him is basically the easiest thing one can do at the moment.

I like these recent posts from Metal Sonic.

VOTE: Davsto

[Tails]

The strongest point is that he's focusing on setup stuff instead of scumhunting. When you eliminate all the setup and role related stuff from his iso, what are you left with?

[Xtoxm]

That's basically how I feel about LQ too.

But why Dav? I think his easy response to my triforce request was very town in nature. If he was scum, there was no way he could have known that was safe to claim.

[GuiltyLion]

When you eliminate all the setup and role related stuff from his iso, what are you left with?

137 provides his scumreads, 145 justified townread on MM, 204 and 206 push on Davsto, 229 looks like a town post that serves as both a defense of self and a small push on W-nl, 241 and 271 asking different players for reads, 343 asking another player for more reads.

None of it is like 'oh shit this guy is definitely town' but he's advancing the game. His vote on Mario as it stands is horrible though, given that he said earlier that Mario is a townread.

But why Dav? I think his easy response to my triforce request was very town in nature. If he was scum, there was no way he could have known that was safe to claim.

Eh, I missed that triforce bit from Davsto the first time around. I remember his vote being poor but I just reread his ISO and overall it's not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. But he still hasn't done much scumhunting and I want to see what happens to the gamestate when I put my vote here.

And I agree his response to your triforce request is easy, but I don't think it's serious. If he were scum and he started getting in trouble for it, I think he could easily spin it like he was just joking around.

[Metal Sonic]

Okay, my thing with Lickety is do you really feel like scum is gonna be saying trolly stuff like 81, 106, 190, 239, etc? I get that 'so reckless that scum wouldn't do it' isn't a compelling argument for towniness, but I don't think there's much there that's significantly scum-indicative either. I thought 219 by Tails was a particularly weak case because point 1 seems to imply he's scum for limiting his scumreads and then point 3 implies he is scum for casting suspicion on a wide number of people.

Plus it's not like the things LQ is actually doing have anti-town motivation to them, and there's several posts in his ISO where he makes insightful pushes or asks useful directed questions.

Regardless, he's chosen to introduce the WIFOM of "is this guy actually town or not?" at a few points in his play, which is why I wouldn't shed a tear if he got vigged. Eventually town will have to deal with him, but I don't think he's gonna make a useful D1 lynch and I think pushing him is basically the easiest thing one can do at the moment.

I like these recent posts from Metal Sonic.

VOTE: Davsto

Lickety's questions are really useless and don't advance the game at all

His posts seem like he is coasting and fluffing and trying to look active but actually already knows his teammates and so doesn't need to scumhunting


How can you see that as town

[Metal Sonic]

Lmao looks like we disagree fundamentally about lickety advancing the game eh

[GuiltyLion]

How can you see that as town

I don't see it as town, I just don't see it as particularly scum either. If we all played like you and Tails right now, we'd run up a wagon on 'obvscum' LQ, then if/when he flipped town (which is likely given sheer probability), we'd be left with virtually no significant information.

[GuiltyLion]

also asking players for reads is by definition advancing the game. Every time a player has to post reads (or explicitly choose not to give them), that's a benchmark that everyone can hold them accountable to later.

[Metal Sonic]

also asking players for reads is by definition advancing the game. Every time a player has to post reads (or explicitly choose not to give them), that's a benchmark that everyone can hold them accountable to later.

That's basic. Any player can do that. It's 0 effort needed by the asker. More credit should be given to the answerer.

[GuiltyLion]

That's basic. Any player can do that. It's 0 effort needed by the asker. More credit should be given to the answerer.

I'm not giving LQ any credit, I'm just not taking away points from him either.

[Metal Sonic]

How can you see that as town

I don't see it as town, I just don't see it as particularly scum either. If we all played like you and Tails right now, we'd run up a wagon on 'obvscum' LQ, then if/when he flipped town (which is likely given sheer probability), we'd be left with virtually no significant information.

Sheerly by probability? Lol ok


Information can be gotten by night actions

[Metal Sonic]

That's basic. Any player can do that. It's 0 effort needed by the asker. More credit should be given to the answerer.

I'm not giving LQ any credit, I'm just not taking away points from him either.

Yeah when he has 10 points and everyone else has 50 points and above, I'm sure as hell lynching him

[Tails]

137 provides his scumreads

That's his wagon. That's about as manufactured of scumreads as you can get and is not scumhunting.

145 justified townread on MM

Mario just defended him, and he goes back on this as soon as it's convenient.

204 and 206 push on Davsto

This is role spec, not scumhunting.

229 looks like a town post that serves as both a defense of self and a small push on W-nl

This is none of the above and is very wimpy reasoning from scum caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

241 and 271 asking different players for reads, 343 asking another player for more reads.

Asking for reads is not scumhunting. It's busywork.