Open 43 - C9+2 GAME OVER before 499

ryan · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:49 am

/confirm

ryan · Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:16 pm

Is Edion0 being replaced?

ryan · Post Post #22 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:47 am

Vote: Fernando

ryan · Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:25 am

MOD: Could you also list those not voting in your vote counts?

ryan · Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:43 pm

thinktank wrote:Woops, i confused chocolate attack with death sauce. Please ignore the last part of my post. But id still like to know why you didnt respond to a lynch vote?

Because it was a random vote (as was mine) if Fernando can't let another game go and concentrate on a new one than I will ask to have myself replaced. I placed a random vote in the random stage of the game just like everyone else. Deathsauce voted me (I think) for a game I'm either modding that he's in or a game that I was scum in and he was nightkilled by my team (or am I wrong Deathsauce?)

ryan · Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:21 pm

I didn't say I liked your style because frankly I don't. I still consider you to be one of the main reasons we almost blew that last game but it's over and done with and my vote was as random as they come.

ryan · Post Post #37 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:57 pm

Actually things are QUIET right now.

ryan · Post Post #39 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:13 pm

Am I guessing you have just moved outta the random voting stage?

ryan · Post Post #41 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:21 pm

Well alright than, let's pressure some non participators

Unvote/Vote: Tylerj

ryan · Post Post #43 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:00 pm

If you read my vote again it says "let's pressure some non participators" it's called a pressure vote and obviously worked because you suddenly come outta "non participateville" and start posting.

ryan · Post Post #48 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:56 am

ChocolateAttack: There were two votes apiece on Tyler and MoS, I don't understand why you felt the need to take your vote off with two posts from Tyler and send it over to MoS, please explain.

ryan · Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:53 am

TylerJ: Let me clarify a couple of your suspicions

1: Fernando and I just came out of a fairly intense game where we were both town yet had completely different playstyles. If you like I can find the thread and let you read it if you like.

2: Deathsauce saying what he did is his deal. He explained himself later on (in case you missed it) I do wish he would have clarified it in the post that he voted me but since that is the random stage, I dont see how that can be seen as anything more than a random vote.

ryan · Post Post #67 (isolation #12) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:49 am

I dont know how two votes can be considered opportunistic.

ryan · Post Post #81 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:15 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
TylerJ wrote:Fernando doesn't seem suspicious but those who jumped on him do.

It seems that Mafia is rather experienced because they have yet to make a noticeable mistakes. I looked through all of the posts, but nothing has popped up yet.
This post is bullshit. I'm the only experienced player here, and I couldn't be mafia with myself.

Just because you are experienced doesn't have anything to do with anything. I don't believe you've said enough to make a mistake so Tyler's comment is moot.

ryan · Post Post #97 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:49 am

Unvote/Vote: Mastermind of Sin

Your statement that scum never make mistakes in the first three pages is just stupid. I've seen lynches happen after two pages and scum get outed by saying stupid things. I'm interested in where this wagon leads.

ryan · Post Post #100 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:04 am

viewtopic.php?t=6077&postdays=0&postord ... &start=100

viewtopic.php?t=4526&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=75

There's two games where the scum were outed VERY early in the game. I'm not saying this happens all the time but for you to openly suggest scum DON'T do it is not correct.

ryan · Post Post #102 (isolation #16) » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:59 am

I stated, "games" and those were games, calm down a little bit there chief. Are you this much of an ass in all your games or just this one? I'm more than happy seeing you lynched on Day 1 and it would take quite a bit now for me to change my vote. Die scum.

ryan · Post Post #104 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:03 am

Well since we're past your "magical three page limit" I'm sure you'll say something stupid and implicate yourself.

ryan · Post Post #106 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:52 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Oh, but all the scum are obviously too experienced to mess up, right? Win-win argument for you, eh?

Why are you still arguing? Boy a vote by me basically set you off on a tirade, talk about a nice way to start the day. Finding scum and watching him sweat on ONE vote, that's pretty funny MoS, thanks.

ryan · Post Post #151 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:55 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.

Distance much?

ryan · Post Post #156 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:17 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
ryan wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Goddamn. If I was mafia with Setael and ChocolateAttack, we'd be the best damn mafia ever. I don't think the three of us have been on the same side of an argument all game.
Distance much?
Obviously. Good job checking your facts before making random accusations.

Unvote, Vote: Ryan

Someone's not paying attention and just
wants to find a reason to attack people
.

Pretty much just like your reason for voting me than eh? You just said that you Setael and Chocolate Attack haven't been on the same side of an argument all game, basically saying trying to say that you don't agree on anything? It's a fair question. You are obviously trying to say that you three couldn't be on the same side because you don't agree.

ryan · Post Post #158 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:06 am

I'm flailing to get discussion going again and obviously it worked.

ryan · Post Post #160 (isolation #22) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:28 am

^^^^ I'm not sure how you have been eager to do much of anything, this is your first post in what two weeks?

ryan · Post Post #162 (isolation #23) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:20 am

I suppose TylerJ, but we do have more than our fair share of lurking going on

ryan · Post Post #164 (isolation #24) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:44 pm

Pressure Vote

Unvote/Vote: Setael

You still haven't answered my question two pages ago and you've been quiet (to say the least)

ryan · Post Post #166 (isolation #25) » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:48 pm

CA: What about our lurkers, any thoughts on them?

ryan · Post Post #170 (isolation #26) » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:51 am

Setael wrote:
ryan wrote:You still haven't answered my question two pages ago and you've been quiet (to say the least)
Was this directed at me? It appears as though it was since it came with your vote on me, but I'm confused because I don't remember you asking me a question and I looked back a few pages and don't see any, and I've hardly been quiet. Can you give me a post # where I can find that question?

Jordan's reaction to my case was decent and he has been acting pretty Town lately so for now
Unvote
.

I have a feeling all the scum are just lurking. I'd like to hear more from Fernando and Mr. Pigg.

I can't find it either.

I know I posted on Friday night and asked you about your late unvote and also who your top suspects were at the time, but it doesn't seem to be here, maybe I screwed up when I posted, I'm not sure. Anyway, consider these my questions.

ryan · Post Post #172 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:14 am

I admitted to putting something to get discussion moving and just because you didn't agree with it doesn't mean it's a bad idea. This game is dragging ass right now. I'm not backing off my suspicions on you as I do still feel you are scummy, but I'm more interested in somebody who I feel is lurking, hence my pressure vote on Setael. I still feel you are trying to distance yourself from your possible scum partners, THAT is why I responded "distance much?" Is this such a difficult argument? You made a big deal of not agreeing with two players in the game, I called you on it and you reacted quite quickly. Shouldn't be much discussion needed on that point, you did exactly what I predicted you would do. (Dropped an OMGUS vote on me and than whined about my accusation)

ryan · Post Post #174 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:14 am

Oh please MoS, you had no plan with your comment except to distance from a couple of your scum buddies. If you did it in jest where was the proof with a smiley face, a just kidding comment or something to show the game you were joking? It wasn't there and now you're trying to spin things in your favor.

ryan · Post Post #178 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:27 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
ryan wrote:Oh please MoS, you had no plan with your comment except to distance from a couple of your scum buddies. If you did it in jest where was the proof with a smiley face, a just kidding comment or something to show the game you were joking? It wasn't there and now you're trying to spin things in your favor.
I'm still giving you a chance to recover, but you're digging a deeper hole.

Does anyone object to me explosing ryan at this point?
We're going in circles.

Expose me and lose a townie than MoS, your choice.

thinktank: What part of the argument are you even agreeing with? Sayin he makes a good argument is jumping along and NOT using your own thoughts/opinions, try again.

Deathsauce: I'm not calling it the scumtell of the century, I'm applying pressure and contributing in finding a suspect.

ryan · Post Post #179 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:38 pm

Why don't you explain to the rest of the game MoS, why whenever suspicion is thrown your way you FREAK OUT and start a hissy fit on "I know exactly who the scum are" you haven't presented one case against me the entire game and I make a comment on distancing and you freak and drop a vote. You've done this since you've replaced in. Now is that how you play (freaking out like ABR) or do you just have no better way to present how you are innocent?

ryan · Post Post #182 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:52 am

Well chalk it up to a mistake reading how many mafia members there are than. But I can assure you, I am not scum. Hunt on my friend.

ryan · Post Post #186 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:17 am

TylerJ wrote: Ryan why are you already role claiming? That's the most scumtell move I've seen all game. Im starting to reconsider...

Where was my roleclaim? Also roleclaiming is NOT a scummy move TylerJ. Are you saying if a power role was about to be lynched they shouldn't claim and be lynched?

ryan · Post Post #189 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:21 am

Again TylerJ I will ask, WHERE was my roleclaim? (as I asked you above)

ryan · Post Post #191 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:57 am

Fair enough.

ryan · Post Post #202 (isolation #35) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:12 am

So you are voting somebody who's claimed town? How is that not scummy Deathsauce?

ryan · Post Post #204 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:18 am

You thought you saw it and than you backtracked and apologized. I am not trying for a guilt trip anywhere, I'm stating a fact. Deathsauce is saying that I claimed townie and though he's STILL advocating my lynch with his vote. Explain that to me

ryan · Post Post #206 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:48 am

I'm not laying guilt TylerJ, I'm stating the truth. You seem to be rolefishing a little bit on trying to figure out my role currently.

BTW: Townies don't kill, they lynch, mafia nightkill for your info.

ryan · Post Post #208 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:59 am

TylerJ: This game is all about tells and wording and however you look at it that is how we determine who's guilty and who's not. Wording is key in this game my friend.

ryan · Post Post #211 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:15 am

TylerJ wrote:semantics again.

Good lord TylerJ, is that your only comeback in this game? I mean seriously my man, that is getting downright annoying.

ryan · Post Post #217 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:15 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:ryan, don't spout bullshit, please. You know as well as anyone else that no scum is going to claim "scum". Just because you claimed townie doesn't make you a townie. We're not going to just sit around and wait for someone to claim scum before we vote. That would be retarded, and you know it.

Than state a valid case that I have an option of defending. So far there has been no solid evidence that I'm scum in this game, just wild accusations. I never said scum were going to claim but if you want a legit claim than yes I am a townie and voting me isn't going to get the town any closer to winning this game.

ryan · Post Post #220 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:36 am

That's a bullshit response, losing a townie does NOT improve the towns chances and you freaking know that. Losing a townie HINDERS the town and since you seem so hellbent to do that

Unvote/Vote: MoS

You can call that whatever you want but him setting traps for townies to fall into? Yeah that's real townlike. And than saying a townie dying helps the town? Enough anti town behavior has come out his mouth for an entire book on how to NOT act like a townie.

ryan · Post Post #221 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:37 am

ADDED: Plus townies WANT longer days, scum want short ones with 0 information, MoS clearly wants a quick Day 1

ryan · Post Post #223 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:32 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:This is not a quick D1. WTF are you smoking?

It's 9 freakin pages MoS!!!! That is fast. I can't remember a game that didn't at least get through double digit pages before the first lynch. Your in some big hurry to get a lynch done, it's scummy and I'm calling you on it.

ryan · Post Post #225 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:45 am

TylerJ: I guess I disagree, in games I've played I don't normally see a lynch (especially of a claimed townie) before we get into double digit pages. I also haven't seen enough discussion from everyone to easily pinpoint me as a scum.

ryan · Post Post #227 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:15 am

Yeah but inadvertantly I did claim earlier (it was a weak claim) and I cant sit and lie and say "No I didn't" so whatever you want to call it, it's out there. I realize I wasn't under pressure at the time and call it a slip of words or whatever, I still did say it and I'm owning it.

ryan · Post Post #229 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:57 am

I haven't done anything noteworthy to get hammered, anyone that would without presenting a solid case is scummy, period.

ryan · Post Post #233 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:09 pm

TylerJ wrote:
ryan wrote:Yeah but inadvertantly I did claim earlier (it was a weak claim) and I cant sit and lie and say "No I didn't" so whatever you want to call it, it's out there. I realize I wasn't under pressure at the time and call it a slip of words or whatever, I still did say it and I'm owning it.

Man! Everytime I've seen a post like that, people have turned out to be mafia. Slip of words... yeah, right... you intentionally did it.

I'm holding my vote back because of Death's request. But I cannot wait till the replacements come.

You are so dead!

Nice threat, and when I turn up town I hope this post cooks your ass.

ryan · Post Post #236 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:54 am

vampyrusddg: Explain to me how setting a trap (MoS) is pro town?

ryan · Post Post #238 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:13 am

You misread what I said, I stated it was "Anti Town" Setting traps that can easily catch townies is NOT a pro town move.

ryan · Post Post #242 (isolation #50) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:06 am

And when you don't give somebody a chance to defend anything, you look like scum pushing a wagon

ryan · Post Post #248 (isolation #51) » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:00 pm

And once again, a vote on me with no evidence/case. Nicely done Tyler.

ryan · Post Post #250 (isolation #52) » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:08 am

Seriously if everyone went by gut feelings in this the game it'd be a crap shoot. There is no evidence that I'm scum and yet you and MoS are grasping at straws in voting me and attempting to lead bandwagons on me

ryan · Post Post #254 (isolation #53) » Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:36 pm

What's the latest on FeRnAnDo?

ryan · Post Post #267 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:35 am

So arguing is scummy? Interesting take Vamp, wrong, but interesting.

ryan · Post Post #269 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:43 am

Hey I can't take credit for having a few people in this game who are just being assholes when it comes to reasoning for votes. Also if you notice I bring up failures to have cases on me with people who vote. I haven't stopped one town conversation in this entire game, the only thing that has stopped things are players who are lurking, players who don't present a case on why they vote, and useless responses like the one I felt compelled to respond to your "Ryan isn't scum hunting he's hurting the town by talking" if you want want less of me, I'm fine with posting once a week in this thread on what I've seen, say the word.

ryan · Post Post #271 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:52 am

I act scummy? Well that's a new one, I'll file that away in my "What a stupid freaking line and thanks for sharing" list of things. Seriously, I've attacked who I've felt needed attacking and now I'm scummy for doing it? Good lord is this gonna be a fun game to try and attack scum when I'm already looked upon as scummy, this will be REAL fun now.

ryan · Post Post #277 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:21 am

DeathSauce wrote:I'm happy with my vote.

MOD:Please note that I have unvoted and subsequently voted ryan

Do you have this same playstyle in all games Deathsauce? Where you disappear for awhile come back with a useless post and than go back to lurking?

ryan · Post Post #279 (isolation #58) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:36 am

I'm not flailing one bit, I'm asking a question as I find your post to be rather scummy. I've been in games where scum pop in a comment just like yours after having not said much of anything for awhile and you've showed that in this game, it's the #1 way to lurk, by posting but not contributing.

ryan · Post Post #281 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:11 am

MoS: The thing I'm seeing from TylerJ is attacking anyone for anything (including using arguments that aren't his own) His attempt at blowing my "claim" was rolefishing if I've ever seen it and I don't see him finding scum as much as I see him being scum. A vote by me on him would seem OMGUS but I am considering it as looking back through I'm not seeing townie tendencies like I first thought. I don't like Deathsauce's participation in the game. thinktank has asked for vote counts quite a few times in the past 5 pages and although asking for vote counts isn't scummy, just posting that to look active is. I'll have some more in a few.

ryan · Post Post #283 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:17 am

Setael wrote:
ryan wrote:A vote by me on him would seem OMGUS
Self-aware, are we?

Yes I am aware that it could look bad, hence why I'm putting together actual "cases with content" on a few I've listed.

ryan · Post Post #285 (isolation #61) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:40 am

You rolefished TylerJ, simple as that. You saw something that you wanted to jump on and blow up and I wasn't under ANY pressure to claim, but lying about it would look scummy, so I came clean, what is wrong with that?

ryan · Post Post #289 (isolation #62) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:13 am

TylerJ: I can only guess eh?

Post 184

TylerJ wrote: Ryan why are you already role claiming? That's the most scumtell move I've seen all game. Im starting to reconsider...

Post 190

TylerJ wrote:Never mind. My mind is playing memory trips on me. I could have sworn you role claimed like three times. Trippy...

I can't find the posts, so evidently you didn't. forgive me.

Post 203

TylerJ wrote:I thought I had seen it. You are trying for a guilt trip. Last time I saw someone do that, they were the Godfather.

Post 205

TylerJ wrote:What you just said about deathsauce is not scummy. I was just stating what I saw.
Anyone can claim townie, so to do so would be useless wasting your breath, unless you are trying to get people to reconsider who you are, hence you would be attempting to lay guilt.

Any body else see this as scummy or is it just me. If nobody else sees it as scummy then perhaps it isn't. But last time I saw this, mafia was killed.

Post 245

TylerJ wrote:I'm a bit overly aggressive. I'm willing to be corrected. Above I wrote the following, "If people want to kill me about being so adamant, that is fine"
Because I am almost 100% sure that you are scum.

However, if no one else thinks that is scummy, then I will wait and see and continue hunting.
If I am the only one that thinks that you are scummy, my vote would do nothing but waste time. a stranded vote often leads to a no lynch.

As far as MoS'es statement, he is right I am overly aggressive, only because I believe I have found scum. If-I do realize this is WIFOM, but I am being honest-I was scum I would hesitate to be so aggressive, not saying I wouldn't, but I would really, really hesitate.

Here is the post that jumped at me when I looked back at you trying to figure out my role (which I’ve showed above you did) You say you are “pretty sure I’m 100% scum” Want some more wiggle room? Pretty sure BUT 100%? How does that work out? AND than you say that if nobody agrees you’ll keep hunting? Or should I rephrase that for you? If nobody bandwagons you’ll try another one? Yeah that makes more sense. Again looking back through you’ve never stated a case on me with your own thoughts, opinions yet I’m 100% scum in your eyes? OH wait……..”almost sure” were the words followed by 100% correct? You did try and get me to roleclaim. You did jump on me using a townie line and than ripped me for claiming it (after I admitted that looking back it could be read that way and coming clean was “something scum could do too” There’s a case, feel free to spin it (as I know you will)

ryan · Post Post #292 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:38 am

TylerJ wrote:
ryan wrote:
Here is the post that jumped at me when I looked back at you trying to figure out my role (which I’ve showed above you did) You say you are “pretty sure I’m 100% scum” Want some more wiggle room? Pretty sure BUT 100%? How does that work out? AND than you say that if nobody agrees you’ll keep hunting? Or should I rephrase that for you? If nobody bandwagons you’ll try another one? Yeah that makes more sense. Again looking back through you’ve never stated a case on me with your own thoughts, opinions yet I’m 100% scum in your eyes? OH wait……..”almost sure” were the words followed by 100% correct? You did try and get me to roleclaim. You did jump on me using a townie line and than ripped me for claiming it (after I admitted that looking back it could be read that way and coming clean was “something scum could do too” There’s a case, feel free to spin it (as I know you will)
I will spin things. After all, that is what you have been doing. Here is an example, "Or should I rephrase that for you? If nobody bandwagons you’ll try another one? Yeah that makes more sense."

I wasn't trying to find out your role, I was sure that I had it already hence me not 'fishing' for your role! I was pretty sure, but some times things get foggier or clearer. Is that scummy?

Yes, for the third time I HAVE STATED MY OEN CASE AGAINST YOU, AND TRULY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS MINE OR NOT. Evidence is evidence, how many times do I have to repeat myself.

Sure you have a case, but every lawyer can make something false seem true. I could do it too! But the question is who is lying, me or you. You never thought I was suspicious until I started on you, remember? If niether is lying, then we both are stupid idiots who are strongly decieved.

ARgghh... your so frustrating. Hopefully we don't go so far that we will remain bitter enemies on this site.

Of course you knew my role already, you're scum, you knew I was on the town's side. And talk about not doing well under pressure, didn't you state that on me earlier? Tables have been turned a little haven't they? I'm more confident in my vote now, thank you for reaffirming my thought process.

Unvote/Vote: TylerJ

ryan · Post Post #301 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:00 am

thinktank wrote:seems like a lot of long posts today...Setael makes a good counter argument against voting her, which is narrowing the barrel down significantly.
In my mind i was thinking, Ryan Setael or Tyler. Setael seems to have made good counter arguments against pretty much everything that was said. Ryan seems less and less likely as the game seems to progress and I don't buy the Ryan's claim about Role hunting.

Please fill me in on my lapse of logic because im fairly new to this but doesnt every one rolehunt in this game, isnt that the point? to find out which player's roles are scum? so how can u hold that against someone?

Back to my original statement, out of the three Tyler is in the lead because he was quick to hammer. However having said that, thats not nearly enough to lynch someone. More importantly, someone please tell me what the fault with my logic about rolehunting is?

Trying to find scum is what you are trying to do, not out power roles and allow scum to pick those power roles off. Scum don't care about townies that have no abilities, they are looking to take out the roles that could out them, so when somebody is trying to find specific roles and expose them, I find that scummy.

ryan · Post Post #304 (isolation #65) » Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:38 am

Setael wrote:thinktank, could you please list who you are suspicious of, and give reasons? I read over all your posts and it seems you have been wishy washy on pretty much everyone.

QFT

That was one of the reasons I brought up the "what's the vote count" statement that he seems to make most of the game and in his posts. No content, no suspicions, no real contribution. I too would like to see something from you thinktank.

ryan · Post Post #311 (isolation #66) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:53 am

DeathSauce wrote:I find it very interesting that MoS has begun defending ryan.

He votes for ryan in the random stage, which is essentially meaningless, but it is true that scum often vote their buddies in random.

Then they get into an argument over scum being outed within 3 pages and then that just disappears.

A few posts later he votes Ryan again and spends the next six posts attacking ryan, makes an aside about participation, then goes right after ryan again.

But now that the votes have begin to build, he does a quick 180 and finds others that have voted ryan to be suspicious?

MoS, you have spent approximately 5/6 of your posts in this game attacking ryan, then turn around and attack another player that AGREES WITH YOU!

Very, very bizarre.

If I had to put money on a scumpair right now I would say ryan/MoS.

You'd be losing money than because I am not scum Deathsauce.

I'd like to see some facts on your accusation that I'm scum, so far you've basically just said your "gut" tells you I'm scum and if you had to "bet" that I was scum. You're leaving yourself alot of wiggle room when it comes to who's scum and who's not and since you've basically went after one person for awhile now (me) you have no room for error when I come up town. How about stating a case, naming some suspects, reasoning and some actual content instead of accusations with no substance.

ryan · Post Post #313 (isolation #67) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:18 am

Nope, I'm making it clear that a lynch on me is a mislynch if you are a pro town player.

ryan · Post Post #315 (isolation #68) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:54 am

I'm also somebody who keeps discussion going. Not alot of people in this game have played with me before, so that reasoning isn't a good one

ryan · Post Post #317 (isolation #69) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:28 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:damn, deathsauce is dense. or reaching scum.

I'm gonna go with BOTH

ryan · Post Post #321 (isolation #70) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:41 am

DeathSauce wrote:I think you will find this game is more fun when you argue using logic instead of insults.

All you two have managed to do with those last two posts is further cement a link between you.

And trying to further a wagon on me simply with the "ryan plays scummy" is good logic right?

ryan · Post Post #323 (isolation #71) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:38 am

What questions have been asked of me that I failed to answer? Ask the questions and you'll get an answer.

ryan · Post Post #324 (isolation #72) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:43 am

DeathSauce wrote:One of the reasons that I have stated at least twice is your propensity to keep saying "I'm not scum"

And you keep asking for "actual content" but when I provide the reasoning behind my vote you don't respond.
me wrote:But WHY are you a claimed townie? That is the burning question. Your own statements say that you support claiming by power roles when they are in danger of being lynched. But you are apparently not a power role, and you were in no imminent danger of being lynched.

The fact that you keep bringing it up makes me think you are trying to convince us by repetition.
You never repied to that that I can see.

And then you bring it up again in your last post:
ryan wrote: You'd be losing money than because I am not scum
Why do you keep saying that? It is meaningless. Obviously scum are not going to come out and say "By golly Deathsauce nailed it, MoS and me are the scumpair"

Therefore the fact that you take every chance to say "I'm not scum" leads me to the same conclusion I drew earlier, you are trying to convince us through repetition.

I responded to everything you say I haven't. I stated that I did slip up when I said I was a townie in my post and I admitted to it. Please read back around that exchange as all my stuff is in there. Just because I don't specifically say "Deathsauce, here are your answers" doesn't mean I never responded to your questions.

ryan · Post Post #327 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:21 pm

I did slip up, it wasn't like you have caught me in a lie. I made reference to me being a townie and instead of lying and saying I didn't, I owned it. How are you not reading that? I'm coming out and saying "Yes I typed that, yes I said that, I admitted to me being a townie" How is that bad?

ryan · Post Post #339 (isolation #74) » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:17 am

After reading back through this either TylerJ is an obvious scum or a VI, I'm not sure which yet but I'm leading toward a combination of both.

ryan · Post Post #344 (isolation #75) » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:10 am

I'd like to hear from Setael and Jdodge about the current state of the game.

ryan · Post Post #346 (isolation #76) » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:30 am

ChocolateAttack: Do you believe that TylerJ is innocent and hasn't tried to trap me using illogical arguments and saying that me saying I was town is a scum ploy?

ryan · Post Post #349 (isolation #77) » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:46 am

ryan wrote:ChocolateAttack: Do you believe that TylerJ is innocent and hasn't tried to trap me using illogical arguments and saying that me saying I was town is a scum ploy?

ryan · Post Post #357 (isolation #78) » Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:07 am

I want him to take a stand TylerJ, I feel he's been wishy washy the entire game when it's come to scum hunting and although before I didn't find it suspicious, the more I look back and re-read things, the more CA is climbing my scum ladder. That is why I asked a direct question to him about this current situation, I want some answers and not excuses from him.

ryan · Post Post #359 (isolation #79) » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:03 am

TylerJ wrote:He is wishy-washy. But don't force him to take a stance, escpecially considering that I am the target.

He needs to take a stand TylerJ, even if he disagrees with me that you are scum, I'd rather have somebody take a stand than sit back and take both sides on every issue.

ryan · Post Post #364 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:52 am

I asked a question of CA on you because he hadn't given much of a stance on anyone in this game and I proved what I had already thought, he wouldn't give us much of a thought on you (which he didn't) if he would have said "TylerJ is town and here is why" and gave some reasons that made somewhat sense, I would have moved on to pressuring a few of our other lurkers to contribute. I wanted to know how he did when a direct question was asked of him........in my opinion, he failed.

ryan · Post Post #365 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:00 pm

Mod: I think some prods need to go out and a vote count would be appreciated

Last posts by these players

thinktank Oct 5th
JDodge Oct 5th
Setael Oct 4th
Vampy Oct 3rd

ryan · Post Post #374 (isolation #82) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:56 pm

Ok if TylerJ is a newbie WHO are the scum?

ryan · Post Post #377 (isolation #83) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:50 pm

No I really want to know who you believe to be scum. I'd like to see some sort of stance by you on who's scum (in your opinion)

ryan · Post Post #379 (isolation #84) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:07 am

FoS: thinktank.

I'm not 100% sure where this TylerJ hammer came down (we're all still alive buddy) Are you predicting future events for your scumbuddy possibly? Is TylerJ going to be the one that hammers one of us townies?

ryan · Post Post #381 (isolation #85) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:48 am

Putting pressure makes a heck of alot more sense than saying you hammered me. Hammering=a deciding vote that lynches somebody.

ryan · Post Post #410 (isolation #86) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:00 am

Setael: While I am not discounting your thinktank findings I want to pose this question, I see your main case on thinktank as being "contentless" on his posts and I'm wondering is it possible that he hasn't posted alot of content is due to his relative newbie status (he signed up in August and has very few posts so far) What about vampy and Jdodge's posts?

ryan · Post Post #414 (isolation #87) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:14 am

MoS: The only problem I see (potentially) is JDodge doesn't do anything when pressured. I mean it's not like we can get a few people on a wagon and get him to talk, he just doesnt, his playstyle has been proven (is pathetic to say the least) to be not good. Vampy, CA or thinktank would be better candidates. (Although TylerJ still seems to be the best lynch today in my opinion)

ryan · Post Post #419 (isolation #88) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:32 am

Just remembered but as suspicion grew on you, SUDDENLY you appear and throw an insult my way? Nicely done JDodge, and since you SUDDENLY REMEMBERED you replaced in to this game maybe you can SUDDENLY remember why you lurk on purpose in all your games?

ryan · Post Post #421 (isolation #89) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:36 am

Please show how I'm being a hypocrite? You came on and blasted me for pointing out a truth. You're lurking here, you've lurked in other games where I've been involved and you've freely admitted that's your playstyle and we should deal with it. So post some content, cut out the insults and play the game

ryan · Post Post #423 (isolation #90) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:52 am

Unvote:

I am going to look back tonight at this game and I'll have a vote this morning. A few tendencies of people have come out that I want to look at.

ryan · Post Post #424 (isolation #91) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:53 am

Edit: This morning=tomorrow morning

ryan · Post Post #426 (isolation #92) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:03 am

How did I avoid earning respect? You haven't participated, you've done it in other games I'm in with you. (Do you want me to bring up the one I'm currently modding that you aren't participating in?) I called you out on valid comments without calling you an ass or whatever else crap you tossed my way.

ryan · Post Post #428 (isolation #93) » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:13 am

TylerJ wrote:can't use other games. But Jdodge, please be respectful.

Actually it's not tough to figure out about his games (without me having to post a link, which I won't)

ryan · Post Post #436 (isolation #94) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:13 am

Vote: JDodge

ryan · Post Post #439 (isolation #95) » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:33 am

thinktank: Who would you like to see lynched today?

ryan · Post Post #441 (isolation #96) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:10 am

TylerJ: Trying to, seems we have more than a few lurkers/non participators

ryan · Post Post #443 (isolation #97) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:36 am

Setael wrote:thinktank's attempt to post content in post 483 is duly noted.

i'll give you guys that it's possible his play is due to newbishness rather than scumminess. More likely, he's newbie scum and one of those who said my case was bad and distracted from it are his scum buddy. I'll leave my vote on think for now.

Any thoughts on JDdodge?

ryan · Post Post #446 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:40 am

TylerJ wrote:I'm not suspicious of him either. He is lurking, and lurkers aren't mostly scum, so we are left with hoping he suddenly becomes active.

Lurkers aren't mostly scum? Do you have a statistic on this statement?

ryan · Post Post #462 (isolation #99) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:36 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:We aren't waiting for the 11th Hour. Let's get rid of him.

Either lynch or replace but JDodge needs to go either way.

ryan · Post Post #465 (isolation #100) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:40 am

I feel you haven't done one thing to scum hunt. You come on and post LITTLE if anything. You actively lurk (as proven whenever you are talked about you suddenly appear) You constantly come on and say that for reasons that only you know you haven't helped but later you'll be a good scum hunter. You sound just like another person I've played in a game with (Sarcastro) who pulled the same crap. Nobody wants to wait around for your brilliant scum hunting. You sign up for games but you don't participate and frankly it pisses me off. You haven't helped us find scum and that's anti town in my book. Anti town=scum. Nuff said.

ryan · Post Post #468 (isolation #101) » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:56 am

I don't know about Sarcastro's allignment in the game I'm currently playing in (as it's still ongoing) I do not know your allignment in this game either, but you haven't been scum hunting, you dodge questions (fitting with your name) and you basically thumb your nose at the rest of us. Did I miss anything?

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:09 am

WHAT didn't I answer?

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:46 am

JDodge wrote:
JDodge wrote:so you admit that i do this? as both scum and as town?
I'd say don't play dumb with me if I thought you were playing.

I'm admitting your lurking is bullshit. Your theory is bullshit. I don't know if you do it as town or as scum because I don't know your allignment in this game and I don't know your allignment in other games. I just know that you SUCK at playing this game but you're great at pissing people off.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:50 am

Yes, I think you do sign up for games and lurk for a reason (that only you see fit) whatever theory you have is BULLSHIT, it's not helping us find scum one damn bit and you know it.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:55 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:Yes, I think you do sign up for games and lurk for a reason (that only you see fit) whatever theory you have is BULLSHIT, it's not helping us find scum one damn bit and you know it.
OK then, so, following that, are you stating that I would lurk as scum and as town?

At this point, I don't know what the hell you are doing

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:57 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:
JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:Yes, I think you do sign up for games and lurk for a reason (that only you see fit) whatever theory you have is BULLSHIT, it's not helping us find scum one damn bit and you know it.
OK then, so, following that, are you stating that I would lurk as scum and as town?
At this point, I don't know what the hell you are doing
It's a yes or no question. Simple concept really.

Answer it.

Yes, you could do it as scum or town. I believe you are doing it as scum, HENCE my vote.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:04 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:Yes, you could do it as scum or town. I believe you are doing it as scum, HENCE my vote.
So you see, ladies(?) and gentlemen, ryan admits that my lurking is a nulltell, yet he insists on going after me for it. Why is that? Perhaps he can enlighten us? If the response is what I think it will be, I can draw an even better conclusion from this.

You have blatantly said you won't help till later, I've stated it's anti town to claim that and in my book anti town=scum. CAN I be anymore clear?

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:09 am

It's not that you MIGHT be a liability, it is you ARE a liability. You haven't done one thing to find scum, how could anyone find that to be townie like?

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:21 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:It's not that you MIGHT be a liability, it is you ARE a liability. You haven't done one thing to find scum, how could anyone find that to be townie like?
Answer the question. Do you say that I could likely be town that's a "liability"?

Townies that don't do squat to help are useless in endgame in helping us find the other scum and win the game. Your playstyle has been useless in this game.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:43 am

I just answered it, I said that your playstyle is helpless. You are a liability.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:46 am

I've stated that your non helping of the town to find scum is anti town and in my book anti town=SCUM.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:50 am

I think you've admitted enough that you aren't going to be helpful in these early important stages of the game. I don't feel comfortable having a player who easily could be a townie or scum play like this. You aren't being helpful one bit, you've watsed 3 pages with dribble when we actually could be asking meaningful questions of scum. I believe you are scum, I think you're hiding behind all this theory stuff, and I have no reason not to vote you.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:55 am

I think your playstyle is scummy.

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:02 pm

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:I've stated that your non helping of the town to find scum is anti town and in my book anti town=SCUM.
Do you agree that is essentially a playstyle argument?

Damn it dude, this was your freakin question, I JUST answered it!

ryan · Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:07 pm

Your playstyle has alot to do with telling me about your allignment. Your style is scummy, hence my reasoning for thinking you are scum. Take away your playstyle and I dont have anything to go on

ryan · Post Post #526 (isolation #116) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:55 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:Your playstyle has alot to do with telling me about your allignment. Your style is scummy, hence my reasoning for thinking you are scum. Take away your playstyle and I dont have anything to go on
Now, one (hopefully the last) question, would you say that I play the same as scum and as town (or if you cannot judge likely play the same as each)

Your style is the same, ANTI TOWN. You are not helpful as town and you give off SCUMMY vibes either way. I'm tired of this back and forth crap. Either come up with something valid (doubtful) about this god awful theory or hang from the rope.

Setael: You vote Deathsauce and offer no opinion on these last few pages of exchange with JDodge? Why?

ryan · Post Post #528 (isolation #117) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:08 am

I figured you'd vote and STILL not explain your stupid theory, thanks for proving my vote to be concrete till we see your scum ass lynched.

ryan · Post Post #531 (isolation #118) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:24 am

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:I figured you'd vote and STILL not explain your stupid theory, thanks for proving my vote to be concrete till we see your scum ass lynched.
you do realize the whole lurking thing can't be explained until i know if it works or not, right

But look what it's done JDodge, it's made you look like a great lynch and even IF you are town it's been a bad play to do it.

ryan · Post Post #533 (isolation #119) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:47 am

Setael: Willingness to lynch townies? How do you know who the townies are UNLESS you are scum?

ryan · Post Post #536 (isolation #120) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:26 am

JDodge is looking very town? Are you serious? Show me some town like occurences Setael because lurking and calling a THEORY pro town is completely bogus.

ryan · Post Post #541 (isolation #121) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 am

MoS: How is intentionally lurking and than saying you're testing a theory a pro town approach?

ryan · Post Post #543 (isolation #122) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:12 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:I've done similar strategies as town before. *shrug*

So intentionally lurking is a benefit to the town, how?

ryan · Post Post #546 (isolation #123) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:21 am

Setael wrote:Well, for one thing it got you to basically admit you want to lynch a Townie just for lurking. It also made you look really scummy. So if you are scum, it flushed out a scum. If you are Town, it just muddied the water.

That is untrue and for you to twist words around to build a case for somebody else is not necessary. I find his playstyle 100% anti town and it's NOT a good way to help us find scum.

ryan · Post Post #552 (isolation #124) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:25 pm

vampy: I believe I applied pressure on a lurker who crumbled when he was given it. He's admitted that he's lurking on purpose and to me lurking on purpose to hurt the town is anti town. I would not be surprised to see JDodge being the quiet scum while one of our our others who's been talkative is the one leading, is that something you don't buy?

ryan · Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:57 pm

vampyrusddg wrote:
ryan wrote:vampy: I believe I applied pressure on a lurker who crumbled when he was given it. He's admitted that he's lurking on purpose and to me lurking on purpose to hurt the town is anti town. I would not be surprised to see JDodge being the quiet scum while one of our our others who's been talkative is the one leading, is that something you don't buy?
I'm not saying that Jdodge doesn't look bad, I especialy don't like this heavy WIFOM:
Jdodge wrote:you do realize the whole lurking thing can't be explained until i know if it works or not, right
basicaly saying we've got to trust him with this tactic. I think what he's trying to say is he's lurking on purpose to make himself look scummy and therefore not a good NK target for the scum, because we're so suspicious of him and he's therefore handy to have about as a potential scapegoat for them.

That of course does not work as we could end up lynching him in a LYLO situation later, it's a ill conceived town tactic and leads to this kind of WIFOM where it looks like town thinking (although poorly thought out) and would be good cover for scum using it and pleading townie or a power role later on. If that is what your trying Jdodge, give it up now.

But you only partly answered my question Ryan, your case against TylerJ looked much better than this, and if you'd brought all the evidence together you could have got more than just MoS to apply pressure, it makes it hard reading and difficult to keep up with when all your points are in seperate posts scattered across several pages. Why abandon that course? you seemed a lot surer about TylerJ than about Jdodge.

I'm not sure about TylerJ anymore to be honest, he's also got a vote on JDodge which makes me wonder if scum is being opportunistic in voting, but why wouldn't have a scum hammered JDodge already? I just don't see working off a "theory" as very pro town and I find it to be very anti town.

ryan · Post Post #560 (isolation #126) » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:45 pm

Have you ever actually presented a case on me or just random jibberish?

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:25 pm

Yes, JDodge has been VERY helpful in our pursuit of finding scum...................

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:31 pm

What allegations dipshit? Post a question and I'll answer.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:32 pm

JDodge wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Fuck it.

nvm. I'm in a bad mood, but I'm trying hard to convince myself that hammering would be bad for the town, and that JDodge is going to actually contribute something to the discussion besides grilling ryan with leading questions and using fallacies to make him look scummy.

I'm trying reeeeeaaaaallll hard here.
See how ryan hasn't offered a defense, instead avoiding the allegations

Notice how ryan can be connected to DeathSauce and Tyler rather clearly

BTW idiot, there are only

TWO mafia in this game

, but thanks for reading the first page and thanks for proving again you are trying to hide behind others with your scuminess. Somebody HAMMER this scum now!

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:33 pm

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:What allegations dipshit? Post a question and I'll answer.
OH NO YOU'RE BEING MEAN TO ME

My case on you, you seem to have conveniently missed it

I've answered everything you've ever asked me, your case is dead, just like you as soon as MoS hammers your scum ass.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:34 pm

Somebody please hammer JDodgescum so I don't have to read the jibberish and other crap he continues to spew.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:36 pm

Vampy or thinktank could save us as well if they choose.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:37 pm

Nope, it's actually me pleading for you to die and go away. Big difference jackass.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:41 pm

JDodge wrote:
vampyrusddg wrote:Well at the moment it looks like neither me nor Setael would hammer Jdodge, which leaves Thinktank and MoS, would either of you be willing to hammer? If you are then it's time for Jdodge to claim, if not lets move the discussion on, we're starting to get stale.
I'm not claiming. I don't even see the case behind me being at -1.

Well apparently nobody sees your case on me either scum boy, so either claim or be hammered anti town little man.

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:47 pm

Than see ya on the rope JDodgescum

ryan · Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:56 pm

I haven't done anything scum related, you've lurked, you haven't assisted in finding scum, you only post when you're called out and you're at -1, I'm feeling just fine with your vote on me, it's a nice try by scum (you) but nobody else is feeling your evidence (or lack of evidence I should say) Your "theory" isn't working JDodge admit it.

ryan · Post Post #586 (isolation #137) » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:27 pm

JDodge wrote:
ryan wrote:Your "theory" isn't working JDodge admit it.

Once again GREAT content from you JDodge, thanks for showing again the past few pages why YOU are our best lynch today.

ryan · Post Post #587 (isolation #138) » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:30 pm

Setael or MoS: Would either of you state why your case on Deathsauce is better than the one on JDodge?

ryan · Post Post #595 (isolation #139) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:10 am

Setael: IF JDodge ends up town, I'd be willing to entertain a Deathsauce/Vampy scumpair, but the question is do you have any evidence of the two?

ryan · Post Post #597 (isolation #140) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:17 am

Setael wrote:Bothy vampy and ryan's last posts reek of scumminess, since they both sound like they know JDodge is about to come up Town.

@MoS: Though I don't think you're scum, I'm pretty sure JDodge was Town, and I'm pissed you hammered.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm very sure that JDodge is scum but on the chances that he ISN'T scum, I don't disagree that a Deathsauce/Vampy scumpair COULD be possible. You are really reaching on this scumminess from that post and nice way to cast suspicion away from yourself and onto somebody else.

ryan · Post Post #599 (isolation #141) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:24 am

Guess we'll soon find out theory boy won't we?

ryan · Post Post #602 (isolation #142) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:57 am

I have no clue on what JDodge's allignment is, my opinion is that he's SCUM, hence why I voted for him, for you to think anything more than that is reaching and trying to stir up trouble for Day 2.

ryan · Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:36 am

Interesting..........no night deaths. Possible roleblocker?

ryan · Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:40 am

Scratch that, says nothing in the setup of a possible roleblocker. So the doc must have correctly protected the possible lynchee (is that a word?)

ryan · Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:00 pm

vampyrusddg wrote:no roleblocker, read the set up, must have been a lucky doc protection, Which gives us some information.

As for Jdodge, he looked slightly scummy to me, not enough for a lynch in my opinion which is why I said I wouldn't hammer, but with him saying he wouldn't RC even if someone said they were willing to hammer I don't blame MoS for the hammer. It sounded too much like scum breadcrumbing a power role.

And I JUST said in 610 to scratch that.

ryan · Post Post #624 (isolation #146) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:43 am

Setael wrote:DeathSauce and vampy are the scums. Don't believe me? Reread.

vote: DeathSauce

Anything particularly scummy you can point out?

ryan · Post Post #627 (isolation #147) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:48 am

Actually Deathsauce, you haven't voted ANYONE here in Day 2.

ryan · Post Post #633 (isolation #148) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:14 am

Setael: I'd see a Deathsauce/Vampy scumpair before I'd see a Deathsauce/MoS pair at this point.

ryan · Post Post #635 (isolation #149) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:18 am

Setael wrote:In that case, how do you explain MoS completely dismissing the Deathsauce case? I don't see how a townie would possibly react the way MoS did.

Impatience is all I can think of. JDodge's lynch didn't give me as much information as I had hoped (I'll admit)

ryan · Post Post #639 (isolation #150) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:47 am

CA: So you believe Setael and DS are distancing right now? I'm sorry but I don't see that

ryan · Post Post #641 (isolation #151) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:01 am

JDodge was EXTREMELY scummy with his play and lack of explaining himself to the game. How he wasn't scum is beyond me.

ryan · Post Post #643 (isolation #152) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:01 am

Setael wrote:I never thought he was scum. You were blinded by his playstyle.

And his playstyle was anti town and in my book anti town=scum. Of course you can NOW say you didn't think he was scum when he has been shown as scum, convenient post there.

ryan · Post Post #646 (isolation #153) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:23 am

DeathSauce wrote:
thinktank wrote:Ryan does not seem like a good vote for today. He was pushing the JDodge wagon WAY too hard if he were scum, unless he was incompetent, which he is not, or incredibly sneaky which seems unreasonable.

Deathsauce you said that Ryan was your main target for this day? I don't agree with that for the reason stated above. Who do you think is the scum pair and why?
Hahahaha, have you ever played in a game with ryan? He definitely has the ability to be "incredibly sneaky".

Anyway, there are too many candidates for scum in this game for me to try and narrow down a scumpair at this time. I have a few players that I believe to be town but many more that are still on the fence.

LOL, come on Deathsauce, I'm as townie as they come, my style is aggressive and if you want to call that scummy you can feel free but I get the job done and a win for the town just like this game

ryan · Post Post #648 (isolation #154) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:34 am

ChocolateAttack wrote:
ryan wrote:CA: So you believe Setael and DS are distancing right now? I'm sorry but I don't see that
No! i don't believe that the case, it just their play style and the way they play right now lead me into a little thinking.

Thinking what?

ryan · Post Post #651 (isolation #155) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:45 am

You said I was sneaky, you should have said townie instead.

ryan · Post Post #654 (isolation #156) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:32 am

TylerJ: The fact that there are two scum in this setup (as we went over earlier) doesn't make me suspicious that he has 3 on his list as nobody ever says "Yup, these two are the scumpair" What I'd really like to hear is SOMETHING from vampy. Vampy, who in your opinion are the scum and why?

ryan · Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:10 am

thinktank: He refused to scumhunt. He brought up a useless "theory" and wouldn't explain that either. He didn't contribute. He wouldn't claim when at -1. What part of that doesn't look scummy?

ryan · Post Post #660 (isolation #158) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:18 am

Where are we at vote wise Mr. Mod?

ryan · Post Post #673 (isolation #159) » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:05 am

DS: Reading back I see what you are saying, the question I have is do you have any Day 1 proof?

ryan · Post Post #675 (isolation #160) » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:31 am

Setael: I will agree to an extent on the antagonized part BUT his playstyle was scummy as hell and if you disagree on that you are being foolish. Not contributing, refusing to help find scum. How are those two traits NOT scummy?

ryan · Post Post #682 (isolation #161) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:20 am

Is it possible Seatel and DeathSauce are tying to distance themselves from eachother with this vote for vote exchange?

ryan · Post Post #684 (isolation #162) » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:23 am

Setael wrote:No. It's not. Deathsauce is scum and his vote on me is OMGUS.

Couldn't he say the same of you?

ryan · Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:07 am

I'd be more willing to guess Setael is scum than Deathsauce at the moment

ryan · Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:32 am

Mastermind of Sin wrote:
thinktank wrote:It is highly unlikely that both setael and DS are scum for the similar reasons to why ryan is probably not scum. They're pushing too hard against each other to try and distance themselves.

MoS, Ryan,: what are your opinions on the two of them?
Why are you asking me?

Who cares, answer the question.

ryan · Post Post #694 (isolation #165) » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:19 am

Setael wrote:I repeat: ryan, can you explain how you think my case on Deathsauce is OMGUS?

Poor choice of wording by me, your vote was with a case, although a tad bit shaky in my opinion, DS dropping the vote was the OMGUS. Relax, I saw your question, was just trying to figure out the pattern between you two

ryan · Post Post #698 (isolation #166) » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:28 am

Setael: If Deathsauce comes up town where will you go suspicion wise?

ryan · Post Post #700 (isolation #167) » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 am

Deathsauce: If Setael comes up town where do you go case wise?

ryan · Post Post #709 (isolation #168) » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:00 am

You two have been pitting against eachother quite a bit, so asking you both the same question in my opinion is fair and justified. I'm making sure you both don't currently have tunnel vision on eachother as scum (which it looks that way to me) you both look like you are 100% set on the other and it's either a GREAT gambit of distancing or two townies fighting eachother while the scum sit and smile.

ryan · Post Post #711 (isolation #169) » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:03 am

Setael: I'm not discounting what you're saying about him being scum and you being town, but I'm also looking at a possibility of two townies fighting it out with eachother because I've seen it happen before. If was pressed to vote somebody right now between you two I'd probably place it on Deathsauce at the moment.

ryan · Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:54 am

Need a prod

thinktank
ChocolateAttack
vampyrusddg

ESPECIALLY vampy, he had suspicion on him and so far in Day 2 hasn't contributed anything in the way of scum hunting. Time to come out and participate

Vote: vampyrusddg

ryan · Post Post #721 (isolation #171) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:46 am

Unvote/Vote: Deathsauce

ryan · Post Post #722 (isolation #172) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:50 am

By the way IF we have a doc in this game and Deathsauce comes up scum, it would be extremely stupid NOT to protect thinktank. So make sure you protect him

ryan · Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:28 pm

DeathSauce wrote:Nice, calling the doc protect is always good strategy.

Oh come on DS, take your medicine that you got caught, don't be bitter and tell us who your partner is.

ryan · Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:38 pm

I've got my money on Vampy as a possible partner of DS

ryan · Post Post #735 (isolation #175) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:38 am

DeathSauce wrote:MoS still has his vote on you Setael, he is not so stupid as to blindly follow scum claiming to be cop. The number of people willing to accept a lie in this game based on hunting lies would be funny if it wasn't my head on the block.

Anyway, if I do get lynched you will have your answer tonight and can lynch thinktank tomorrow.

You're drowning DS, how about giving up your scum partner?

ryan · Post Post #744 (isolation #176) » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:12 am

TylerJ wrote:I wont put a vote on him just yet because I have a question to ask. how many more vote before lylo? That would be the only reason why scum would claim cop to send us into lylo. However, I believe Thinktank's claim because he was not under pressure and if I were cop I would do the same.

I can almost garuntee that setael isn't scum now, she had no reason to throw a scum buddy under the train.

As far as who DS's scumbuddy is, I would say it is ryan because of po9sts 723 and 724. Ryan doesn't want DS to start going against his scumbuddy in attempt to through him under the train and to distance himself.

Sorry for the inactivity, yesterday was busy. Also, MoS, how am I a possibility?

One of two things crossed my mind after reading this from TylerJ

1) You are Deathsauce's scum buddy and trying to throw suspicion on me to start a wagon and have me voted off

2) You are really NOT paying attention to this game one bit

We have a cop saying that DS is scum and you don't even want to consider DS as scum? Seriously TylerJ, if thinktank lies to us than he gets lynched the next day, is that difficult?

ryan · Post Post #754 (isolation #177) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:16 am

Alright Mod that's a lynch, let's move onto to night

ryan · Post Post #757 (isolation #178) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:42 am

TylerJ: Well it's real easy, IF thinktank is lying, than the real cop should investigate him tonight and we'll know for sure. PLUS if DS does end up scum (which sounds like he already will) why would thinktank throw his partner under the bus so terribly? That makes NO sense why scum would do that.

ryan · Post Post #759 (isolation #179) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:59 am

DS: I've been in enough games with you that I just don't buy your gambit on outing your partner, you are too smart of a player to do something so crappy.

ryan · Post Post #761 (isolation #180) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:29 am

TylerJ: PATIENCE my friend, PATIENCE. Let us first find out IF DS is scum than we'll go from there. Don't put the cart before the horse.

ryan · Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:38 am

Bring on the NIGHT

ryan · Post Post #786 (isolation #182) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:09 am

thinktank: I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to throw this out there, how can we know for absolute certain that you are a cop?

ryan · Post Post #788 (isolation #183) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:21 am

Is there any chance that the last scum comes up innocent upon investigation?

ryan · Post Post #790 (isolation #184) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:56 am

Vote: TylerJ

Suspicions from earlier are becomming more and more.

ryan · Post Post #792 (isolation #185) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:29 am

I provided cases earlier on TylerJ and abandoned them due to other evidence on other players, I haven't changed my mind on him being scum. I don't like how cryptic thinktank is being on his results at the moment and so I'm going ahead with my vote and discussion can continue from there. Its not too difficult to give us the names of the innocent and go from there (which I'm still waiting on)

ryan · Post Post #794 (isolation #186) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:38 am

Becaues if he has the results on innocents I see no reason for them not to be given out so we could look back and start comparing possible candidates. There are 6 people still alive, I'm not scum, thinktank apparently isn't and he's saying he knows the identity of two townies. So why not put those names out there and let's start figuring out between two people who the scum is and who the townie is. Seems rather easy and being held up in a game we have in our back pocket is irritating me.

ryan · Post Post #796 (isolation #187) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:37 am

EXACTLY my point, results should be shared at this point and if TylerJ is town than I'll admit my mistake and unvote and move on

ryan · Post Post #797 (isolation #188) » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:46 am

andycyca would be suspect #2

ryan · Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:15 am

I'm not defying a No Lynch, I'm asking for evidence that has been collected by a "Townie" to be given to the rest of the town. We have a large group that could be scum where if thinktank gave results our search could be narrowed quite a bit.

ryan · Post Post #805 (isolation #190) » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:00 pm

ibaesha needs a prod

ryan · Post Post #808 (isolation #191) » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:50 pm

TylerJ wrote:I haven't investigated CA or his replacement for a while, I don't have a lot of info.

Investigated?

ryan · Post Post #812 (isolation #192) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:28 am

So thinktank have you found a scum or two townies?

ryan · Post Post #814 (isolation #193) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:34 am

Setael wrote:already said he didn't hit scum. he's got 2 townies. pay attention.

Excuse me? Did I miss where this went from a game to serious business? Guess I better re-read and see if I can find that.

ryan · Post Post #817 (isolation #194) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:02 am

Unvote/Vote: No Lynch

This game should be a W for us and unless thinktank has totally screwed the rest of the town there is NO reason we shouldn't win

ryan · Post Post #819 (isolation #195) » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:58 am

Well I guess we'll find out now what the mafia elects to do

ryan · Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:48 am

Jesus Christ Setael. I asked a question of him that YOU answered. Back up a little bit and read the question that WASN'T directed at your dumb ass.

ryan · Post Post #826 (isolation #197) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:02 am

Setael: First off, do NOT blame me for JDodge's lynch, it takes more than my vote to lynch somebody, remember that. 2nd, your blamegame right now is just pathetic, why don't you look at everyone who voted JDodge and than tell me who's guilty of mislynching him. Also to the cop, you are wasting an investigation if you investigate me, as I am town 100%

ryan · Post Post #828 (isolation #198) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:14 am

Setael wrote:You're funny, ryan. I can't believe you're not taking credit for that mislynch. Maybe you should reread the exchange between you and JDodge before telling me you're not to blame.

And for you to say that my one vote swayed the town is laughable

ryan · Post Post #830 (isolation #199) » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:25 am

Setael: You are blaming his lynch on me which isn't accurate. I pressured somebody who was playing scummy and anyone who looks back through the thread can vouch for it. You can play your blame game all you want Setael it's not doing a damn thing but making you look like YOU are the one who is trying to frame me for it, stop being a village idiot.