Blitz 1: C9++ (GAME OVER!)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm not the only one who pointed it out, so clearly I'm not the only one with that impression.

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I'm going to assume that everything else in the case is correct then since that was your only response lol...

weak.

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I love this double-teaming defense from scum. It's just beautiful.

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tunnel vision conf bias

Pretty sure you're going to flip scum, so is it confbias at that point, or just damn good scum hunting?

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Do you think I'm scum? Or are you just making noise because your buddy is getting attacked for being scummy?

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Chainsaw Defense
^ Since I'm pretty sure you have no idea you're actually doing it so blatantly.

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Do you think I'm scum?

I'm heading in that direction. You went from Ocean as a town read to voting ocean because a dead player - who you wagoned - said to.

I'm pretty sure that if I did the same thing you'd see it as scummy as all hell.

I never townread Ocean.....?

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Chainsaw Defense
^ Since I'm pretty sure you have no idea you're actually doing it so blatantly.

I'm pretty sure you should have actually read the link:

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell.

Awesome. So let's flip Ocean and see what happens.

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Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Interesting that your three town reads took one of your Maybe town reads from L-4 to L-1, but you're not reevaluating your reads on them.

What...? I should reevaluate my townreads when they don't agree with me?

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k. From my very first readslist on D1. Good job.

Note to the town - please review my reads and reasons. There's a reason scum want me gone.

Ocean, if you're town, why don't you explain why did you jump between me and Persivul when our conversation had nothing to do with you?

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I even explained that I looked at Ocean due to Titus' townflipd. Like.. you're literally going "YOU'RE SCUM FOR DOING THIS THING THAT'S A TOWN THING DIIIIIIE" lmfao

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So, to say that you re-evaluated your read on me because of her townflip is disingenous.

lol... but it's true.... so it's not disingenuous?

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as an after thought

No buddy. You asked for my reason because I put down a naked vote on Ocean at the start of the day, so I told you exactly why.

There really isn't a lot to misunderstand here, so...

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I'm gonna flip town. When that happens, I do expect the other town players to take a look at my reads and at least consider them. There's a fucking reason I'm an arrogant bitch. I have a track record to back it up.

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VOTE: ETL

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So many scum, so little time.

Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Meh...?
{Firebringer, Marge}

Maybe Scum
{Ranger}

Scum
{Persivul, Ocean}

Review this upon flip.

Somebody hammer please. I'm done fucking with scumfucks trying to gaslight me.

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Persivul might as well be confscum. Get rid of him first.

If two scum, Ocean is the partner and Ranger is town.

If three, and Ocean flips town, take a look at Ranger/Firebringer.
If three and Ocean flips scum, Ranger is the last.

Somebody please be smart and check one or all of these people.

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ETL WILL FLIP TOWN. LOOK AT THIS WHEN SHE DOES.

I'm gonna flip town. When that happens, I do expect the other town players to take a look at my reads and at least consider them. There's a fucking reason I'm an arrogant bitch. I have a track record to back it up.

So many scum, so little time.

Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Meh...?
{Firebringer, Marge}

Maybe Scum
{Ranger}

Scum
{Persivul, Ocean}

Review this upon flip.

Somebody hammer please. I'm done fucking with scumfucks trying to gaslight me.

Persivul might as well be confscum. Get rid of him first.

If two scum, Ocean is the partner and Ranger is town.

If three, and Ocean flips town, take a look at Ranger/Firebringer.
If three and Ocean flips scum, Ranger is the last.

Somebody please be smart and check one or all of these people.

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Not for long.

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Didn't you see Ocean hedging in preparation for moving his vote onto my wagon?

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If Persivul is town, I could see Ranger/Firebringer + maybe Ythan if 3. So flip/check Persivul first and then go from there.

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I could see Pers as 3p Sk or something too, but the mutual chainsaw defense with Ocean is weird as fuck. Looks like just two scum? I don't know the setup. 13p either 2/11 or 3/10.

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Depends. It definitely looked like it.

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Like, you didn't even bother talking to anyone else. Just Ranger.

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I love how you went from "this is TvT" (<<< scummy as fuck, by the way lol...) to "you're obvscum VOAT"

p-edit: but you're not a leading wagon?

and i dont really give a fuck. this playerlist was bust from the getgo. i just want out.

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You still haven't answered my question about why you jumped to Persivul's defense when no one was talking to you. If you're town, why would you interfere in the attempts by one player to sort out another?

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Like, that's a pretty big issue, Ocean. There was zero reason for you to be a part of that conversation.

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I actually don't know about Ranger. He's probably just VI.

Ocean/Persivul team. I'd put money on it.

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That makes sense in a way actually. Ocean picking on an easy target but when people don't take the bait, hops onto the next best townwagon. Firebringer is definitely more town than Ranger.

p-edit: Uh.. that's not the point. You said you did it to encourage people to consolidate. If that's the case, why only encourage one person?

I don't really care dude, to be perfectly honest.

Flubber, Ocean, go on, vote me to L-1. You know you wanna and then Ythan can powerhammer for the win.

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Flubber, Ocean, go on, vote me to L-1. You know you wanna and then Ythan can powerhammer for the win.

Bolding for DRAMATIC EFFECT YEAH!

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How about some color!

Flubber.

Ocean,

go on, vote me to L-1.

You know you wanna and then Ythan

can powerhammer for the win.

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Flubber.

Ocean,

go on, vote me to L-1.

You know you wanna and then

Ythan

can powerhammer for the win.

I can even make your names bigger

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It's not town to jump to the defense of another player for no reason.

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me who I know to be town

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lol Pers... I guess we're gonna run in circles. This is why I usually don't bother talking to scumfucks.

You said you did it to encourage people to consolidate.

You did not do that.

You spoke to a single person.

Encouraging people to consolidate would be... ecouraging

PEOPLE

, plural, to

CONSOLIDATE

- i.e. form together on a single wagon - on your preferred wagon.

But you. Did not. Do that.

You spoke to a single person.

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You didn't even mention your wagon.

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Most people call me ETL, Ocean.

I'm sure we will see in end-game who is arrogant and who is lying.

Feel free to bow down to my awesomeness at that time.

p-edit Hiya Ythan. You look town. So please give me a bit of credit in the end.

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L-2! L-2! ANYONE FOR L-1?

L-1?

CMON OCEAN, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE!

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Actually Ythan if you are town, I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed. But I like your style. I'm sure we can rock through any future games where we cross paths.


P-EDIT: FUCKING. LOL.

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oh please STFU already Persivul. I'm so bored with that conversation and arguing with you is unproductive.

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I'm sure you are disappointed.

Well I've just heard about you, so I was expecting a legend

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I haven't heard of you so I assumed you'd be some rando.

Dunno why you'd have heard of me at all. I play in a tight circle of friends and don't come out too often these days.

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Only signed up because blitz.

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also because Rob13. he is an amazing mod.

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you should join a hydra with me. we could call Two Aholes in a Pea Pod

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I'm gonna actually get some work done now.

I'm at L-2. There's zero reason to no lynch today.

Giterdun

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VOTE: Ocean

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I'd love to be flipped. But I'd rather make sure the wagon is pure for later analysis. My vote there doesn't allow that to happen.

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Oh yeah so fake. Mhm.

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I mean, in a way? I wanted to see who would jump on, but I didn't learn anything new tbh. I haven't lied about wanting to flip though. I just think if I do flip, it would be better to make people vote for me, instead, so people can see who decided to hop on.

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Sounds like you know he will and are banking on it to frame people.

Is that what's happening?

I'd look at Firebringer first.

However, you definitely need to be checked, flipped or cleared in some way before that ever happens.

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also because Rob13. he is an amazing mod.

Suck up.

... he's actually a close, long-time friend of mine dude...

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Screw it. I can't see a better option for today. Tired of EspeciallyTheLies's histrionics but think she's more likely than not town. Ythan flip will help everyone reassess instead of getting distracted with him, especially players like Marge. If he's scum, then fantastic. If not, powerlynch the hell out of Firebringer. I don't see a better option with six hours or so left.

VOTE: Ythan

wow.

not opportunistic

at all

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and setting up future mislynches at that.

jeez. fucking obvscum.

can someone PLEASE check ocean or persivul tonight? ffs... i simply cannot go through this game watching these scumfucks run the town around and no one but scum come in here to actually post anything.

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Well first it was ranger, then firebringer, who, by the way, has a perfectly viable wagon on him right now. but no.. you vote.. ythan... because... he has the most votes and he's probably town and that fits your agenda.

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this game makes me sick.

ythan are you planning to claim or what

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i'm done. i literally cant take any more of this.

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VOTE: ocean

that hammer was definitely not opportunistic at all. nope. /s

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You didn't even wait for a claim, or ask for one, or state intent to hammer. I mean, come on.

Can we please lynch scum now?

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Not going down this road with confscum. Thank you and have a nice day.

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LMFAO.

Yes please out your buddy.

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Based on the fact that we've only a single kill each night, that means there's no 3p.

So either 2 or 3 mafia.

So far we've had C V and TT. No IC.

If anyone has any real information at this point, i.e., results of some kind, now is the time to give them.

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Just checked Kraeg's posts from D2 and unfortunately it doesn't look like he used it N1.

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You were definitely NOT one of my "strongest town reads". I've explained it multiple times and you're the only one who seems to have a problem reading, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Secondly, your play has been so outstandingly obviously scummy, and this hail mary mason claim is fucking LAUGHABLE. I literally, actually LAUGHED OUT LOUD.

I am more than willing to sacrifice myself to prove it. You flip mason and I will not fight a lynch. But I would put money on that not happening, and WHEN you flip red, your partner will go with you.

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I'm done interacting with confscum. Talk to someone else and stop filling the thread with bullshit word vomit and noise.

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i quit.

have at it. we've already lost.

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i quit.

have at it. we've already lost.

That's a bit extreme reaction to only one player responding to this so far.

I see no harm in voting Kop.
He's not exactly town read there and again I have a theory so I'll just wait.

He's a townread for me, and has been obviously town since the end of D1.

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And D2 with that silent hammer. Don't forget that opportunistic piece of shit move.

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Without stating intent.

Without asking for a claim.

Without waiting for him to respond.

Your "explanation" is meaningless when you deliberately neglected to do any of the above.

And I'd hardly call "I want to lynch persivul but I'd also vote Titus" the same as "the biggest proponent of the lynch", which was actually you.

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Jesus fucking christ marge... read my goddamn ISO.

I've played with him before. He felt and looked town. There's really nothing more to it than that. I said that on D2.

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Everything he's posted has come across incredibly straight-forward, off the cuff, and honest.

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I keep telling myself I'm not going to get into it with people and I keep fucking doing it. I don't have to fucking prove anything to you about a goddamn townread. Either you figure it out or you don't. Either you trust me, or you don't. And if you don't, then it doesn't fucking matter what I think, does it?

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if there are 3 scum, today is mylo. so... kop.... there is no after.

concentrated effort by scum to push my lynch through. I'm done fighting.

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fact of the matter is that scum will win this game not by playing well but because town played like fucking retards.

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ocean and persivul. if a third I'd say ranger or maybe Marge.

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somebody please get this over with.

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it's against site rules for town to self hammer in mylo/lylo.

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how does no one see that 4 votes on a person in mylo in less than one page is fucking ludicrous?

pedit hm.

lynch ocean tomorrow. if he flips scum, get persivul. if game still not over at that point, lynch ranger or marge.

VOTE: etl

tomorrow is lylo. stop fucking around and listen to me for once.

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Congrats to the scum team yadda yadda yadda.

Most of the time, I have good things to say about how both teams played. Unfortunately, this game was an utter embarrassment for both sides.

The mafia won, not because they played well - in fact, they played horrifically - they won because the town

played even worse

. The entire scum team was clearly visible and obvious by mid-D2. I pointed out every, single thing that was wrong with what they were doing, and I was ignored.

Even after my death, I was ignored.

You could have lynched Ranger. But no...

I named each and every single one of the scum team from the jump. I made and posted clear cases to show why I thought so. I continually showed how what they were doing was scummy. There were so may

rookie mistakes

- dual chainsaw defending, opportunistic voting patterns, fake-claiming masons... and the town fucking fell for it.

There was ZERO critical thinking. I had hoped that my flip would help. I had hoped that people would wake up and go.. hey she was town, who was pushing her? FUCKING. NOPE.

I am fucking ASHAMED to have been part of this game, part of this town, to the point of blacklisting half of you.

Marge, that vote of yours D3, followed by a flash wagon, and then NOT UNVOTING WHEN IT HAPPENED, was

fucking abhorrent

and you should feel fucking terrible for doing it.

Kop, I just... I am literally without words as to how fucking... stupid... you have been. No lynch in LYLO? Hammer without even thinking about what's going on? PROTECTING THE FUCKING ONE PERSON I TOLD YOU WAS SCUM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT? On FF you might be able to get away with #YOLO actions and votes. Not here. On ms.net we like to think about things and what they mean before doing something.

Unless of course you're part of this town. This incredibly dense, thoughtless town.

Titus, no one fucking voted you out of fear. No one EVER votes you out of fear. You know who typically dies a lot on D1? VIs. VIs get lynched on D1. Strong players get nightkilled N1. Getting lynched D1 isn't a badge of honor, it's a fucking embarrassment. You really need to check yourself. You did not get Ranger or Persivul, and you handed the PRs to the scumteam on a silver fucking platter. And even in death, after the mod EXPLAINED TO YOU EXACTLY WHY THAT'S A BAD THING, you stood by your faulty logic insisting that you are right. You are totally incapable of introspection, and it's one of the major reasons I despise playing games with you. You are never able to admit that you might be wrong.

That's it. That's all I have to say. I don't have any desire to carry on a discussion with fucking any of you.

What a fucking shitshow of a game. You should all be deeply humiliated.

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Rob, there is literally no point in trying to help someone who is unwilling to learn.

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Ocean, there's a very big piece of understanding you seem to be missing, which is the fact that I removed Titus specifically to get her voice out of the thread because I have a lot of experience playing with her and I know it doesn't work. I do not regret that decision in any way whatsoever, and I have good reasons for what I did. If you're really interested in the logic, I'll explain but honestly I don't think you'd get it and your mind is already made up that "shit on ETL" is the popular and cool thing to do, so whatever.

Second, I'm not mad at Marge for my lynch. I'm disappointed in her because the correct way to play a pressure vote that late in the game is to unvote once you get the response you're looking for, especially when 2 more votes suddenly materialize. It's a huge signal that the person they are voting is town. She didn't do that, despite being around and responding in-thread.

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Also, I think it's really something else to try to blame me for the rest of the town refusing to even look at the evidence I presented. It is seriously not my fault the town was too fucking high to bother. It's one thing to be bad at convincing people, but it's another when the people you are talking to don't want to even look in the first place. Half the town was asleep and the other half had their heads up their asses.

To try to put the entire blame on me - someone who tried my best to get the information into the thread, to the point that the only way to validate what I was saying without the cloud of a scumread was to flip myself - is a fucking cop out.

No the scum team did NOT play well. Each of you were incredibly obvious. I don't care what any of you think was valid play or "what town would do" You're straight up wrong. End of story.

Lastly, Persivul - don't play with me again.

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I haven't tried to "shit on" anyone. I'm telling you like I see it. You're saying you policy-lynched Titus?

Abso-fucking-lutely. And furthermore, I wasn't even pushing it. The Titus lynch was a second option. My preferred lynch was Persivul, as I'd mentioned several times, and you fucking know that. Don't even try to say I was the strongest voice for it, because I wasn't. You were.

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It's on you to avoid him if you have a problem.

I made a request. If he's already signed up, I won't sign up. I'm asking him to give me the same respect.

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No. You were around. You saw the votes happen.

EspeciallyTheLies was one of the biggest proponents of the Titus lynch. You can flip that around for any townie and go "why would anyone townread Titus."

If EspeciallyTheLies and Firebringer are town, they are biasing all of my reads and it is impossible to see this game in a way that'll get me good reads so I don't know. I need to think about this more.

I didn't "silent hammer." I posted an explanation.

Titus claimed vig. That could have been proven.
What bothered me is the majority of her push was based on a theory more then anything else.

And D2 with that silent hammer. Don't forget that opportunistic piece of shit move.

Why is Kop a town read?

Vote: etl

Jesus fucking christ marge... read my goddamn ISO.

I've played with him before. He felt and looked town. There's really nothing more to it than that. I said that on D2.

Everything he's posted has come across incredibly straight-forward, off the cuff, and honest.

All she's done is lurk and hop onto wagons.

I don't want to lynch Ocean. Kop still needs to go. I wish I had the time to be a leader, but alas....

I like my vote. Pushing a vote on a claimed Mason.
Not waiting for it to be verified.
You want to call that town I'll look at you like:

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't give a shit what anyone thinks of my play. Your reads were fucking terrible. If it takes someone 4 game days to get their shit together, something is wrong.

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And what's funny is you're literally the only person I respect for wising up. Everyone else had their head in the clouds. I just wish it had happened sooner.

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lol.... he says to someone who's being nominated for most enjoyable player...

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the point is that he wouldn't have even been nominated or received so many nths if he wasn't actually enjoyable to play with.