Making fake claims

[BROseidon]

If you're town you never never never fakeclaim.
Never.

I thought this thread was about scum fake-claiming.

False. There are times when it's appropriate as town to make fake claims. Those times are highly contextual, though, and I'd venture that 90% of players aren't strong enough technical players to differentiate the times when it's a good idea from when it's absolutely terrible.

[BROseidon]

Lying means adding more confusion to the game and therefore harming the investigation / analysis. Unless you have a

really good

reason to lie, then generally the costs outweigh the benefits.

You're an innocent child. You claim miller in your first post day 1 so that a cop doesn't waste an investigation on you.

You're a JOAT with a vig shot. You claim 1-shot vig to hide the fact that you can do additional things.

You're a hider. You claim weak visitor to bait scum into trying to NK you.

You're a doctor, you claim VT because duh

etc, etc

[BROseidon]

Generally speaking, if you have a confirmable town role, you can get away with doing a lot more creative stuff.

[BROseidon]

Lying means adding more confusion to the game and therefore harming the investigation / analysis. Unless you have a

really good

reason to lie, then generally the costs outweigh the benefits.

You're an innocent child. You claim miller in your first post day 1 so that a cop doesn't waste an investigation on you.

You're a JOAT with a vig shot. You claim 1-shot vig to hide the fact that you can do additional things.

You're a hider. You claim weak visitor to bait scum into trying to NK you.

You're a doctor, you claim VT because duh

etc, etc

1) cop + ic = a mod i don't want to play another game with
2) that's not "lying" per se. just... leaving some stuff out.
3) that could backfire.
4) why...?

1) Cop was 1-shot when I played with that. Anyone who uses a full cop is a lazy mod anyway
2) Technically true, but still a lie
3) Eh, most backfire contexts require a severe misplay on your part, or require the scum to call you on being a hider
4) If you're a doctor and you claim doctor, barring using it to end the game by breaking the setup, is bad.

[BROseidon]

with that logic EVERYONE should claim vt all the time.

Doc specifically doesn't really have a reason to claim.

Like, investigative roles have results to out, fruit vendors have targets who can confirm them, role blockers and JKs can claim who they blocked. A doc outing doesn't give the town any incremental information, and just gets the PR shot.

The one time this can backfire is a tracker/watcher catching a doc and claiming, but, like, they'd get a non-lethal result unless the scum have a strongman (which they've probably burned by that late in the game)

[BROseidon]

1) Cop was 1-shot when I played with that. Anyone who uses a full cop is a lazy mod anyway

Actually cops being more likely to be x-shot when an IC is in the game means deterring the cop from investigating you is more worthwhile.

[BROseidon]

4) If you're a doctor and you claim doctor,

barring using it to end the game by breaking the setup

, is bad.

well that's exactly what i had in mind

Not all claims happen during mass claim...

[BROseidon]

just claim masons with a random player in the game.

NY165.

Serene got town read for doing it, we lynched the BP townie they claimed mason with, and then Serene got NK'd the night before LyLo because they were the only town slot left that could potentially turn the game.

[BROseidon]

4) If you're a doctor and you claim doctor,

barring using it to end the game by breaking the setup

, is bad.

well that's exactly what i had in mind

Not all claims happen during mass claim...

if you're starting from a position where you're run up and forced to claim, any gambit you try is probably doomed from the get go

There are other times when it's appropriate to claim.