Mini 1717 Alfred Hitchcock UPick [GAME OVER]

[Antihero]

Actions

Day 1:

Nachomamma

does not activate

Night 1:

Vedith

blackmails Davsto

(fails, ascetic)
farside22

kills Wingback

pistachi0n

commutes

Concrete Angels

neighborizes massive

massive

does not perform an action

Cataphant

tracks massive

(does not go anywhere)
Hecatia Lapislazuli

analyzes massive

(negative)
Davsto

jails Nachomamma8

Wingback

investigates Concrete Angels

(Mrs. Danvers)
Ankamius

watches Concrete Angels

(sees Wingback)

Day 2:

Nachomamma

does not activate

Night 2:

farside22

kills Hecatia Lapislazuli

EspeciallyTheLies

neighborizes Thor665

massive

watches Nachomamma8

(sees Ankamius, Davsto, and Hecatia Lapislazuli)
Cataphant

tracks Thor665

(does not go anywhere)
Hecatia Lapislazuli

analyzes Nachomamma8

(negative)
Davsto

jails Nachomamma8

Ankamius

watches Nachomamma8

(sees massive, Davsto, and Hecatia Lapislazuli)

Day 3:

Nachomamma

does not activate

Night 3:

Vedith

kills EspeciallyTheLies

EspeciallyTheLies

kills Thor665

massive

watches Nachomamma8

(sees Davsto)
hiplop

tracks Davsto

(fails, ascetic)
Davsto

jails Nachomamma8

Ankamius

watches Davsto

(fails, ascetic)

Day 4:

Nachomamma

does not activate

Night 4:

massive

watches Nachomamma8

(sees hiplop, Davsto, and Ankamius)
hiplop

tracks Nachomamma8

(does not go anywhere)
Davsto

jails Nachomamma8

Ankamius

watches Nachomamma8

(sees massive, hiplop, and Davsto)

Day 5:

Nachomamma

does not activate

Night 5:

Plotinus

kills Ankamius

massive

watches Nachomamma8

(sees no one)
hiplop

tracks Plotinus

(fails, jailkept)
Davsto

jails hiplop

Ankamius

watches massive

(sees no one)

[hiplop]

I was so good in this game and i am very proud of my performance

[Ankamius]

Thanks for carrying me, guys.

[hiplop]

Thanks for carrying me, guys.

[Davsto]

Well played everyone! Well done town! Sorry for my crappy play super earlier on but I hope I helped make it up later~

Scum played well during the day, but I feel their biggest weakness was the night actions. Not killing me/Hecatia N1 caused a lot of problems, and them not killing me early on (me being JK and all) was ultimately what led to their demise. Scum blackmailing me despite my Ascetic claim already being out there was also a bad move. While Ploti sadly failed due to the kill target on that last night, blaming them would be silly because they had only just replaced in, probably didn't know all the claims, and didn't realise that killing anyone other than me/massive would result in an instant loss.

Anyway, gg!

[Davsto]

Also thanks for modding Anti, it was an awesome game

[hiplop]

i feel bad for plot. She put up a really formidable effort for the trap she was in lol

[Plotinus]

I knew the claims; I'm just not very good at understanding role interactions, and I didn't know that we couldn't action and kill in the same night; for me it was irrelevant because my action was a commute (so it was obvious that i couldn't kill and action in the same night), my commute didn't work with my son dead so I was effectively a goon, and I've never played a game where last surviving scum couldn't do both in a night. I've played where you couldn't do both if you had a teammate alive, though.)

I did almost kill massive but I think I thought he was being watched or i thought that ankamius might watched have farside on the night before or I forget why, maybe just I thought a watcher who could change his target was more dangerous than a watcher who couldn't. oh well.

I tried! I am not sure whether I could have won this even if I'd understood the setup spec stuff but it would have been enough of a victory if I could have convinced you guys to take me off L-1 before nacho woke up.

But I'm glad it wasn't dragged out for an extra day phase.

Town deserved this win, I think.

[Davsto]

Yeh, you were sorta thrown into a really tricky minefield of role interactions where a single bad move could screw everything up, but that's not your fault, thanks for replacing in

[Plotinus]

Thanks for modding, Anti!

[Ankamius]

Oh, thanks for replacing in, Plot. You get a lot of respect for replacing into an almost completely lost position and putting up a strong fight regardless.

[farside22]

Well played everyone! Well done town! Sorry for my crappy play super earlier on but I hope I helped make it up later~

Scum played well during the day, but I feel their biggest weakness was the night actions. Not killing me/Hecatia N1 caused a lot of problems, and them not killing me early on (me being JK and all) was ultimately what led to their demise. Scum blackmailing me despite my Ascetic claim already being out there was also a bad move. While Ploti sadly failed due to the kill target on that last night, blaming them would be silly because they had only just replaced in, probably didn't know all the claims, and didn't realise that killing anyone other than me/massive would result in an instant loss.

Anyway, gg!

There was no kill that would help scum.
Honestly I'm furious this game had so many investigative roles.
There was no way in hell scum could win this no matter what was done

[farside22]

I told anti I surrender the day I was replaced and told him there was no good reason to keep the game going.
He for some reason didn't want to listen and asked if he could replace me instead.

[hiplop]

I think it was fair provided your ninjas didnt go so fast

Being a tracker with a known ninja was weird

[Antihero]

the idea was that scum had a bunch of immunities and the investigatives were gated enough to not be able to wreck scum.

the most powerful one was actually sakuranotty and they went early.

[Antihero]

There was no kill that would help scum.
Honestly I'm furious this game had so many investigative roles.
There was no way in hell scum could win this no matter what was done

sorry you feel that way, but i think you couldve definitely used your roles better to your advantage. losing pistacion also really hurt you.

[hiplop]

i think it was a good setup anti! Scum just lost powerful roles early + didn't kill jailkeeper

[EspeciallyTheLies]

didn't kill jailkeeper

yeah this was all kinds of wtf lol...

@farside

- surrendering as last scum is not just dishonorable, it's kind of against site rules regarding playing to your wincon, and the fact that you forced the mod to find a replacement for you -

because you didn't know how to win

- in

LYLO

is beyond gross. it's just plain rude. please don't join future games with me.

i think everyone played pretty well and i really liked the setup. it was different than what anti normally does and kept people guessing up until nearly the very end. well done. and anti was an amazing mod as usual. ♥

[EspeciallyTheLies]

There was no way in hell scum could win this no matter what was done

Bullshit. Two ninjas you didn't use properly and a ton of other mistakes, like leaving davsto alive and killing me.

[Davsto]

Yeh, setup wasn't as scumsided as you're making it out to be.

Main investigative could only get 1 definite innocent result and it requires both them and the Jailkeeper to have claimed and it either be D1 or the Jailkeeper had jailed the same person all nights so far. It would also be rendered null at finding any scum in 3 days, and the Neighbouriser-Killer basically acted as a false positive which, due to the way the role worked, would remain a false positive.

Then, the Trackers and Watchers. Firstly, you had two Ninjas (normal and backup), so you really didn't need to worry about much at all as long as they were kept alive. Secondly, while the Tracker was just normal, the two Watchers (which I'd argue are always more likely to catch a NK being made) were largely nerfed. Massive was stuck watching a single target until they died, and Ankamius was delayed. These are obviously problems on their own, but they're worse post-massclaim; all scum need to do to counter the former is not to kill the target or do so with a ninja, and the latter can be ignored and then killed if they targeted someone and you know that would give them an incriminating result the next night.

[hiplop]

two ninjas with all tracking/watching investigations is pretty damn good

[hiplop]

why did farside perform the kills instead of ninja?

[Davsto]

Probably because the ninja was Vedith, who was widely scumread, and there was a known Jailkeeper in play.

Still don't get why they didn't kill me though. That was just slight scum stupidity which, simply, contributed hugely towards their loss.

[farside22]

didn't kill jailkeeper

yeah this was all kinds of wtf lol...

@farside

- surrendering as last scum is not just dishonorable, it's kind of against site rules regarding playing to your wincon, and the fact that you forced the mod to find a replacement for you -

because you didn't know how to win

- in

LYLO

is beyond gross. it's just plain rude. please don't join future games with me.

i think everyone played pretty well and i really liked the setup. it was different than what anti normally does and kept people guessing up until nearly the very end. well done. and anti was an amazing mod as usual. ♥

1) players have surrender as scum before.
2) you have no right to complain self hammering as town in a previous game, to discuss what is best to do.

Let's look at this differently.

Town
Cop
Constant watcher
Tracker
Delayed watcher
Jk
Backup pr
A player that knew when someone shot a gun

Scum:
Blackmailer/ ninja
Back up ninja
A meighborizor who can only neighboring when targeted.

Only one scum role takes everything into account for all those pr.
Everyone targeting one play is confirmed town of someone else dies.

Your dumb if you think that is by any means balanced

[farside22]

Probably because the ninja was Vedith, who was widely scumread, and there was a known Jailkeeper in play.

Still don't get why they didn't kill me though. That was just slight scum stupidity which, simply, contributed hugely towards their loss.

People distructed you and I was banking on the paronia