Blitz 14: Murder on Madness Mountain GAME OVER!

Firebringer · Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:45 pm

I am first post, and that means I am town.

DOES ANYONE DISAGREE!!!

Firebringer · Post Post #5 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:40 am

In post 4, Ricastle wrote:Also, there's the fact that you didn't put a vote down with so little day time available.

Ricastle, I don't like it how you aren't talking to me in the mason chat right now.

Firebringer · Post Post #7 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:08 am

Thats a cool vote Rob.

Firebringer · Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:47 pm

In post 13, Rob14 wrote:It's also a serious vote.

Its not serious till you give a explanation.
I mean thats what people tell me anyways.

Also ranger is town.

Firebringer · Post Post #25 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:18 pm

In post 24, Rob14 wrote:No vote, but more importantly, your post was awkward as fuck and came off as uncomfortably trying to sound town.

I don't feel like voting yet.

Also, you are awkward.

BURN!!!

Firebringer · Post Post #29 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:48 pm

In post 28, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:I would agree with you Rob but honestly it's more of a null/FB tell.

Their is no such thing as a Null FB TELL!

EVERYTHING I DO IS ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE!!!

VOTE: Chaotic Neutrality
Thats for staying neutral, who do you think you are? Ireland?

Firebringer · Post Post #31 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:09 pm

In post 30, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Switzerland.

Hardly anything you do is alignment indicative because half the time you make no sense.

Did you suddenly change genders?

Good country choice.

Everything I do is in the name of fun and scumhunting.

My gender changed awhile ago, but thanks for asking. Its for Female Badass mafia, did while it was in sign ups.

Firebringer · Post Post #33 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:49 pm

In post 32, Chaotic Neutrality wrote:Wait you're pretending you're a girl to get into fem-exclusive games? That's like, mod-kill worthy.

Would you like to perform the sex test on me to confirm my gender? O_o

Firebringer · Post Post #38 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:17 am

In post 37, Ricastle wrote:FB doesn't feel like voting yet, then three posts later puts down what is basically a random vote? Seems to me like he is worried that his not-voting stigma will catch up to him.

lol This post made laugh so hard.

Okay Ricastle is either VI or a scum. We should try to sort that out soon.

Firebringer · Post Post #40 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:13 am

In post 39, Ricastle wrote:Oh, sorry, I couldn't tell your vote was anything more than playing on a name because its actual reasoning was completely illogical.

What is wrong with being illogical?

You beings of logic are boring.

Firebringer · Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:31 am

In post 53, Rob14 wrote:Pretty m much my thoughts, but I'm also trying to keep in mind that people in blitz get this irrational GO GO GO mentality.

I say we GO GO GO on Soren!

VOTE: Soren

Firebringer · Post Post #57 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:20 am

In post 56, Rob14 wrote:Some people express Soren concerns and immediately you're trying to start a counter-wagon there to save yourself? There's no way you aren't scum.

lol, in your dreams.

Firebringer · Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:23 am

Like Rob, I know you want me to be scum, but I am not.

Sincerely,
Your Good Toothless Friend

Firebringer · Post Post #66 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:35 pm

In post 63, Rob14 wrote:Fire, explain to me then why you're voting Soren. I'm open to a conversation, but on its face, your vote looks very bad.

Just to see how you would react.

No but honestly I do agree with what you said earlier, his pressuring to get me lynched is pretty scummy man.

Firebringer · Post Post #82 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:34 am

In post 80, Ricastle wrote:That exchange does, on a second look, appear to be CN putting words into Fire's mouth to defend him, and trying to make out what Soren's argument is so he can defend against that. This isn't the first time CN has defended Fire either. Fire/CN as a potential team?

This is just so bad.

Do you honestly think you are good enough to figure out the scum teams within first 3 pages?

You probably got neither of the scum right, I know you are wrong about me.

Firebringer · Post Post #84 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:40 am

In post 83, Ranger wrote:Huh. Forgot Jackall. Whoops.
That makes my job even harder. :/

I am getting not town vibes from you Ranger.

CARE TO EXPLAIN!?!?!?

Firebringer · Post Post #87 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:45 am

In post 86, Ranger wrote:Care to explain this comment, then?

Initial impression.

Lately your posts have been giving me a weird feeling.

Firebringer · Post Post #88 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:47 am

In post 85, Ranger wrote:Rereading the thread, and I think that a Firebringer lynch would probably be best.
If Firebringer is scum, great! We have a scum down, and also information to work from on finding a partner.
If Firebringer isn't scum, then we still gain a fair amount of info: who was pushing Firebringer, and why. (Not to mention, who defended Firebringer, and how.) It doesn't give quite as definitive information, but it's still useful to have.

Right now, my reads look something like:
{absinthe}
{davesaz}
{Soren}
{Rob13}
{Chaotic Neutrality, Ricastle, Jackall}
{Firebringer}
...But this is very weak.

All the same, I don't have any better ideas, so:
VOTE: Firebringer.
Might be L-1, not sure.

lol I am at L-1?

This must be what Ythan feels like all the time.

I don't know what you guys can learn from a quick lynch other than town is stupid, but sure. Lets go with that this is a 'information' lynch lol.

Firebringer · Post Post #90 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:50 am

In post 89, Ricastle wrote:Going to defend yourself from Soren, Fire?

Defend from what?
Theres 0 case on me.

I don't defend against stupid.

Firebringer · Post Post #93 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:57 am

In post 91, Ricastle wrote:The case on you is that you are flailing in the place of providing content. Feel free to debunk said case anytime.

Odd question is it considered flailing if its a town player doing it? Or just considered bad play?

You know how everyone considers "White Knighting" a scum thing, even though if you are town reading a player town can and should defend them? So they are doing the same 'scummy' thing.

Firebringer · Post Post #95 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:04 am

In post 94, davesaz wrote:Perhaps you could give some reads?

Funny, I don't think reading all your posts you give any reads.

Firebringer · Post Post #101 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:47 am

In post 100, Rob14 wrote:Fire is just a VI.

I like being called scum more than VI.

Thank you very much.

Firebringer · Post Post #102 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:48 am

In post 100, Rob14 wrote:If we're going the way of an information lynch, Ranger is better than Fire. Fire gives next to no information.

Can you point out what we learn from lynching Ranger right now?

I can't see any clear associations so finding a scum partner from there is useless. I guess it sort of clears me and ricastle, but Ranger could be bussing either one of us.

Firebringer · Post Post #145 (isolation #23) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:13 pm

In post 138, Rob14 wrote:Ranger has no votes, and I doubt we'll get the people to make that quickwagon a thing, so I'm placing Fire on L-1.

VOTE: Fire

Fire, claim.

8 hours left and I'm going to bed soon.

Nope.
Not claiming.

Firebringer · Post Post #146 (isolation #24) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:15 pm

Reads right now:

Rob13 definitely feels town, maybe too try hard town, Strongest town.
Chaotic Neutrality though I don't like him buddying me.
Absinthe he is more null.
Davesaz I have always had har time reading him.
Ranger way too fast to give reads it doesn't even seem like try hard town it seems like trying to give impression of a player actually participating but not really, notice how reads list merges with people who agree with rangers opinion? Yeah thats a scum tell.
Soren all he has done is call me scum and continue to push me. This is how he plays scum.

Thats about it. Lets lynch Soren then Ranger.

Firebringer · Post Post #148 (isolation #25) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:26 pm

VOTE: Ranger

Ranger or Soren works for me.

Firebringer · Post Post #151 (isolation #26) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:50 pm

In post 150, Rob14 wrote:I refuse to go with CN. I think scum's on that wagon. It popped up incredibly quickly and close to deadline, and there's no clear reason why. Especially Jackal's vote was not good, but I need more time to examine the wagon.

We should be lynching in {Ranger, Fire, myself}. I heavily encourage everyone to swap votes onto one of those prior to deadline, or we're getting a no lynch.

Why you including yourself in this?
Thats so odd...

Firebringer · Post Post #171 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:49 pm

No no no no.

Also whats up guys?
So Ricastle was town. I guess thats something.

Wonder who would kill him.
Kind of odd.

Firebringer · Post Post #173 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:51 pm

In post 172, Soren wrote:What a way to literally say nothing

you read your own ISO in this game?

Lol

Firebringer · Post Post #177 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:35 pm

In post 174, Soren wrote:It's amazing, I know.

Soren its hard to stay mad at you with that adorable avatar of yours.

VOTE: Ranger

How about this train guys?

Firebringer · Post Post #179 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:05 pm

In post 178, Rob14 wrote:I honestly think Fire is town. I don't know why, but I do. It's part meta and part gut.

I wonder sometimes if this is the only way people can read me at times....like you can't find town motivation in my posts?

Just meh to me.

I operate on a weird level to most I guess.

So rob if Ranger is scum who you think is her teammate?

Firebringer · Post Post #180 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:07 pm

If ranger is scum I can't see Davesaz being her teammate so I guess he would be cleared....
Weird cause I always think he is scum.
Perhaps Jackal? I mean thats a lazy association but meh.

Firebringer · Post Post #186 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:26 am

In post 182, absinthe wrote:Firebringer why are you voting Ranger?

I see scum motivation behind Rangers posts, do you not?

Firebringer · Post Post #187 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:27 am

In post 184, Rob14 wrote:I think I know what the setup is because I ran it once before as a closed bastard game.

But a massclaim is a terrible idea. Knowledge of the setup (if it is what I think it is) would not help us any.

So you know what the setup likely is but are witholding that info because it is hurtful.

Like if you are town you are asking to get night killed.

Have you never heard of "He knows too much!"
I mean, you are basically embodying that.

Firebringer · Post Post #190 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:04 am

In post 188, davesaz wrote:Associations with no scum flips is even more dangerous than usual in a micro.

Ehh I am just talking about the possibilities, I like to think it all out.
See if it all meshes, you know?

I mean by PoE it makes me think you are town, Thats a plus right davesaz? Usually I am scum reading you <3

Firebringer · Post Post #191 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:05 am

In post 189, absinthe wrote:Explain?

Scum is motivated to lynch town and pretend to look town.
They are not trying to actually lynch scum.

What else is there to explain?

Firebringer · Post Post #193 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:28 am

In post 192, Soren wrote:Anyone see the lack of town motivation in that post? ^
Because I do.

Soren, you are adorable.

Firebringer · Post Post #217 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:04 pm

I don't know about that. Seems odd that Jackal voted and unvoted fast sure, but that seems more like a town tell than a scum one.

Usually scum don't bus softly like that. At least from my experience.

Firebringer · Post Post #220 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:09 pm

In post 218, Rob14 wrote:Town tell on who? Jackal or Ranger?

Jackal.

Firebringer · Post Post #238 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:26 pm

Hey Ythan, you love poking me don't you?

Also I would much rather lynch Ranger, why aren't we doing that instead of Jackal?

Come on guys, like Soren would say "[Ranger] is a good lynch"

Firebringer · Post Post #248 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:18 pm

In post 245, Ranger wrote:VOTE: Rob13.
I think it's a Rob-Jackal scumteam.

This would also explain the Ricastle kill, since that was where Ricastle was focusing attention it seemed like, near the end of the day.

Isn't it hypocritical to say Jackal is lining up lynches when you did so.
Also why Rob and Jackal?

What has Rob done that is scummy? All his reasoning seems to progress in a actual town like fashion. It seems legit.

Yours is questionable.

Firebringer · Post Post #297 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:00 pm

How exactly do we know you are town exactly?

You skipped a whole day conversation without any given reason.

Firebringer · Post Post #299 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:27 pm

You skipped Day 4, without talking to anyone about it.
You saw opportunity to skip and you just did.

Firebringer · Post Post #302 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 301, Rob14 wrote:I'm nodding off where I sit, so just as a heads up, I'm not staying up. I'll check this when I wake up if there's time.

Fine, but I am leaning towards Ranger, and lately my LYLO skills suck. So I want to talk to you more when you get back.

Firebringer · Post Post #304 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:20 pm

In post 303, Rob14 wrote:Leaning towards Ranger as what?

Leaning towards Ranger as scum, but me tunneling has never been good.

Especially in the LYLO situation we are in.

Can I ask if your ability was a one day thing? The double voter thing.

Firebringer · Post Post #307 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:15 pm

In post 305, Ranger wrote:So scum may not have a fakeclaim.

Usually mods provide fake claims when a player asks for one, so that might not be true at all.

Firebringer · Post Post #308 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:16 pm

I just realized my role makes no sense in this game....

like wtf

I am a "doctor-enabler"

Theres no doctor in this game! iF there is one it had to be scum, wtf is this shit.

Firebringer · Post Post #310 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:18 pm

Your turn Ranger on claiming.

Firebringer · Post Post #313 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Okay, that seems to be like fence sitting though.

What are you expecting Rob to claim exactly?

Firebringer · Post Post #315 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Also you are the one we both want to vote for right now, I really prefer you claiming now.

Firebringer · Post Post #317 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:50 pm

In post 314, Ranger wrote:before I play my hand.

Okay....this veers into way too scummy to be scum territory.

Did you read this before posting?
Jesus.

Firebringer · Post Post #323 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:01 pm

In post 290, Ythan wrote:Soren,
town cop-enabler
, has been killed. Day four begins now, and ends in (expired on 2016-01-02 02:04:00). With four alive
it takes three to lynch
.

Your lying Rob. It said it took 3, not 2.

Firebringer · Post Post #326 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:02 pm

In post 320, Rob14 wrote:When you have an even number of players, the number of players/2 is enough to no lynch (since if you have 4 players and 2 aren't voting, it's impossible to lynch). I assume that's where you got the "double voter" thing. I am not a double voter. It is no aspect of my role.

I have never heard of this thing.

Firebringer · Post Post #328 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:04 pm

In post 324, Rob14 wrote:Why did you not want to claim that close to deadline?

I didn't want to be targetted so that a doctor would lose their power...

But I guess what you say is true, this whole setup was meant to fuck with us.

Firebringer · Post Post #331 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:07 pm

I wish I had a gun and could just shoot you both. That would solve this problem.

Ranger, still waiting on a claim.

Firebringer · Post Post #333 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:12 pm

I kinda expect she wanted to claim doctor because of my claim almost tbh lol.

Firebringer · Post Post #337 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:15 pm

In post 334, Ranger wrote:Right, so I'm a nurse. I hinted at this many, many times.
I'm almost positive the second scum is Firebringer. I'm going to lay out the reasons in a moment.

LOL

This is hilarious plot twist.

Firebringer · Post Post #339 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:17 pm

Why would someone fake claim Nurse?

Firebringer · Post Post #340 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:17 pm

Besides now, I am thinking you are fake claiming it, because this setup makes no god damn sense

Firebringer · Post Post #342 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:21 pm

This game sucks, and I want to just lynch Ranger and call it a day.

Firebringer · Post Post #344 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:23 pm

If Ranger was legit Nurse, wouldn't my role make the most sense though? So I don't see why Ranger was leaning on me being scum.

Like I don't get that either. "Doctor Enabler" seems to be like Vanilla Townie and so is "Nurse" with no Doctor.

The games roles are nonsensical and supposed to throw us off, like Rob said.

Firebringer · Post Post #345 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:24 pm

In post 343, Rob14 wrote:I wouldn't vote there right now. At the very least, I'm willing to hear her out.

I call bs, and I almost want to test it right now.

Firebringer · Post Post #347 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:25 pm

The only role that actually doesn't "mesh" well with the others is actually Nexus.

We have role enablers, ascetics, all basically VTs.

Nexus doesn't mix well with them.

Firebringer · Post Post #348 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:26 pm

In post 346, Rob14 wrote:Call BS on what?

Nexus is a VT too with these roles. It redirects everything but a kill, but there's nothing but kills.

>.<

Its a VT, but it doesn't fit into what all the other roles are in this game.

Like we enable cop, and a Deputy.
Those compliment each other, why wouldn't it be Nurse and enabler doc?

Firebringer · Post Post #349 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:27 pm

Then again, Mafia could have a Nurse.

Firebringer · Post Post #351 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:36 pm

Like if you read davesaz ISO, one of his strongest scum reads was you Rob.

Why would Ranger, keep either me or you alive when we were BOTH heavily scum reading her earlier.
It doesn't make much sense.

Firebringer · Post Post #354 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:43 pm

VOTE: Rob13

Firebringer · Post Post #355 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:43 pm

UNVOTE: Rob13

Firebringer · Post Post #357 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:47 pm

The more I think about it, the more I think it actually is Rob13.

I mean why is Rob13 still around?
Think about it, It makes sense why I have been around. I haven't been right all game. Why wouldn't scum keep me alive.

Firebringer · Post Post #359 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:48 pm

You don't enter a LYLO situation with 2 players who are likely going to lynch you, thats not a smart move as scum at all. Even for WIFOm purposes.

Firebringer · Post Post #362 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:50 pm

I was strong town reading you Rob.
Davesaz was the only one I think was strong scum reading you.

And I don't remember huge day 1 pressure on you..

Firebringer · Post Post #368 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:58 pm

In post 363, Rob14 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=23651

In a difficult situation where you have substantial suspicion on you, it's a hail mary play that actually works very well.

Okay, lets just say for hypotheticals here:

You are scum.

Theres 3 options to go for night kill.
Me, Ranger, Davesaz.

One is town reading you (Me), Ranger (I don't rember where ranger stood), and Davesaz (scum reading you)

You would go for Davesaz?

Firebringer · Post Post #369 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:59 pm

I meant not.

Firebringer · Post Post #371 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:01 am

I mean the only reason I am not voting you right now legit right now Rob, is because Ranger is making no god damn sense at all.
SHe still won't explain her scum read on me at all.

Firebringer · Post Post #372 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:03 am

In post 370, Ranger wrote:Between you two, I don't see Rob fearing davesaz as much as I see Firebringer fearing him.

Why would I fear davesaz? I don't even think the guy said much about me all game.

Firebringer · Post Post #373 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:04 am

Is everything for you on associations ranger? That is literally the worst way to find me as scum. I have yet to find someone who can actually figure out me or my alliies by my associations with them lol.

Firebringer · Post Post #374 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:07 am

Okay with Ranger making no god damn sense, I am going to have to just go YOLO there:

VOTE: Ranger

Congrats on the win Rob13. Ranger was making no sense and I still couldn't find any reason to town read her.

Firebringer · Post Post #377 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:13 am

Well played Rob, you deserved this.

Firebringer · Post Post #379 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:14 am

In post 378, Rob14 wrote:I can't believe Ranger changed to a scum-read on you. I ... did not expect that.

She honestly didn't, you were scum the whole time. I couldn't follow Ranger logic, and she wasn't making any sense.

Firebringer · Post Post #380 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:15 am

There was no way I saw Ranger actually voting you.

Firebringer · Post Post #381 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:22 am

I am going to sleep now, going to be expecting a lot of shit when I wake up to read post game chatter.

Firebringer · Post Post #383 (isolation #81) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:24 am

Ranger, we already lynched you.

Rob13 was scum. So we both fail.

Firebringer · Post Post #386 (isolation #82) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:29 am

Ranger, if I voted Rob13.

Would you have lynched him?
Cause I made my case. Granted it wasn't a strong case.

Firebringer · Post Post #391 (isolation #83) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:20 am

In post 390, Rob14 wrote:I did also mention in the scum PT that I thought I could get Fire to quick-vote. I couldn't, but Ranger could, apparently. It's a quick-vote all the same.

I like to quick vote.
But I was supper pissed off at you for no lynching yesterday.