Blitz 15: Monks and Masons in Serona II - GAME OVER!

[Firebringer]

hey guys, whats up!?!?!?!?!

Can anyone fill me in without me having to do reading?

[Firebringer]

youre my monkey-mason buddy

Cool, sounds like normal.

But what about everyone else Pisskop?

[Firebringer]

yakko is sus, ai is a little sus, lowell took an easy vote on tojam, who looks bad too.

Look over AI and tell me your thoughts please.

I quickly did read through of the flips so far, and then read through of AI, I am thinking he is town.
Like he isn't as much pushing his reads in this game I don't think but I kind of think he is still town.

I don't know how to explain it, most of it is gut.

[Firebringer]

Y U Jelly?

Everyone is jelly of our special relationship Pisskop, don't worry about him.
Now what you think of AI? Besides "he is susp"

[Firebringer]

You obviously don't trust I'll answer questions, perhaps some of you ARE just trying to pull a quick one on me (because you're scum?), like some mentioned earlier.

Vote:Yakko

Pisskop's interrogation shows that Yakko is scum, question-dodging in some places, his comments show pressure - spelling mistakes and language - he also suggests/confirms a pr. - scum lean.
I haven't noticed pisskop make naked guesses as I've been away. - neutral.
Davesaz has been making intelligent comments at appropriate times, often picking up on things I haven't - like the naked guesses. - town lean.
Anxiety Attack has done similar things, although in large clusters. - neutral.

What?

How are you reading Yakko for spelling mistakes....That is the worst reason among them for scum reading.
Can you go into any more detail than this on why he is scum?

All of these sound non alignment indicative.

[Firebringer]

Hey davesaz, how you doing man?
What is your opinion on Pisskop right now?

[Firebringer]

fferyllt! You didn't put my name in their instead of my predecessor ;(

My feelings are hurt, and now I want a cookie.

[Firebringer]

[Firebringer]

I don't think AI is Spigot partner, like I don't think partners defend each other like that.
Seems too straightforward.

[Firebringer]

So much fail Silverwolf.
So much.

[Firebringer]

What exactly am I missing since you both seem to think AI is scum.
I went through his ISO, I thought he was town. Even with associations to Spigot.

What am I missing?

[Firebringer]

Bebop/Firebringer is probably town, too. I'm not sure who the second werewolf is, it very well could be Lowell (though Lowell did vote Kaboose), I don't know, maybe you're right on him, but one werewolf is definitely Kaboose.

Why are you townreading me?

[Firebringer]

So who do you think is scum rn?

Ranger right now, seems to be pushing a mass majority opinion, and I feel like she is buddying me.

[Firebringer]

hi fire

Hey ika.

[Firebringer]

I am dealing with a hangover right now, and still not sure who is scum.

[Firebringer]

Also, since FB has been banned for a week, I doubt he'll be helpful.

Rude.

[Firebringer]

Okay Tojam, barely has content and is just full of null and prod dodges, and apparently his computer wasn't working or something.

Why is this the most optimal lynch today?

[Firebringer]

We have six hours to get a lynch.

Come on guys.

[Firebringer]

w/e nobody is around, and this game seems to be going at speed of snail.

We probably won't even get a lynch off anyway

VOTE: Tojam2

[Firebringer]

was that a hamma?

No, needs two more votes.

[Firebringer]

Sorry FB, I misunderstood about the banning. I didn't know you could still post here and was trying to let the game know close to deadline. My bad.

~SW

pedit: dave why tojam over AI?

I am banned from discussions. For a comment that wasn't even racist.

But I digress, this is not game related to this game.

[Firebringer]

I'd prefer you answer the wuestion of why tojam over ai.

AI is town, thats why.

[Firebringer]

@fb we do not lynch or abstain from lynching someone because of what they rolled. We vote on our perception of what their alignment is.

Which begs the question fb how donyou know he is town?

What the hell? You are making no sense again.

I have a null on tjam so I am willing to lynch that, I think AI is town from reading his ISO, I don't see your guys case on him.

I am not lynching my town read.

[Firebringer]

Y?

Feels.

[Firebringer]

Im sick of feelz. Yours may be better than sum but Im all feeled out.

I feel you man. I feel you.

[Firebringer]

I can't post anything till tomorrow, my internet is out because my apartment flooded >.>

[Firebringer]

There's no way this game is multi ball, right?

Are you serious?
This setup is a open setup.

I can't tell if this is a serious question.

[Firebringer]

Because I'm a mason and also an early nightkill candidate more often than not.

That I am alive makes me question many of my assumptions.

Interesting.

[Firebringer]

Hang on, I thought it was just werewolves???

I also missed the whole 'AA or tojam killed Lovell' thing, and Ranger I don't see your theory anywhere after the day 3 announcement, can you say the post number or quote it please.

Okay can we just lynch this:
VOTE: Tojam

[Firebringer]

Can anyone explain why we should allow Tjam to live?

[Firebringer]

Is there any reason we should allow Firebringer to live?

There are 4 enemies among us, surely Firebringer would want to make a contribution when he logged in 4 hours ago? Or is he being minimalistic to avoid the fact that he is scum/wolf - okay, says the guy who's minimalistic himself, but that was Christmas.

V

This is bold. I gotta give it to you.

First saying I don't contribute, while ignoring your whole lack of acitivty this whole game.

I mean, you partially acknowledge it, but wow.

Okay, considering I likely have more posts than you at this point in time. Want to give reasons, beyond my non participating, on why I am scum?

I would love to hear more reasons.

[Firebringer]

Currently 7 alive: 4t 2w 1m. If mislynch then 3-2-1, if ww kills m and m kills town then 2-2 is a loss going into day. If NL, worst case both scumteams kill town and it's 2-2-1, resulting in a crosskill being the only way for town to win.

Best to treat this functionally as a MYLO, though technically it's not due to the crosskill potential.

I think we need to focus on someone who is actively scummy and definitely not settle for a lurkaderp.

The benefit though is likely high probability of a cross kill happening.

Can you point out someone who is being active and scummy?

[Firebringer]

You doubt what was a crosskill? And just in case we use that term differently, how do you define it?

Isn't a cross kill when one scum team hits another?
I am confused.

Are you talking about when scum hits same target? I think thats just double hit on single target.

[Firebringer]

Yes. Firebringer is 100% town.

I understand the logic behind lynching you. I would be willing to vote there, but I'm not as sure about you as I am about hi im Yakko.

Yakko is harder for me to read, did you make a case on him earlier? So far he has been acting like his usual self.

[Firebringer]

im here

Currently no major wagons are going on, everyone has 1 vote on them essentially.
We have 1 day and so many hours to get a lynch.
Who is your main scum read?

[Firebringer]

Still think Kaboose could be scum for his utter lack of content, but still thinking Yakko is the better bet right now.

And to jam isn't? His ISO is more null than Kahoose

[Firebringer]

MOD

- Please replace me.

Sorry.

Wonder what brought this on?

[Firebringer]

PnatomCobalt, welcome to the game.
If you didn't look at game before subbing in at all, we are down to 7 alive and 3 out of the 7 are scum. So right now your slot isn't looking too god because its been pretty null for most players.

You have any thoughts by looking at flips or anything you can read up on? We only have a day left in the day.

[Firebringer]

FYI-still recovering from surgery that took pretty much all day yesterday. I can post but probably not for a couple hours or more.

I'm not keen on a Ranger lynch. She's a mason. While it's true masons are not necessarily town, I'm not going to risk lynching town on WIFOM.

Be back later.

~SW

I have never heard of mason ever being scum.

This game masons are confirmed town.

What are you talking about SW?

[Firebringer]

I just looked at it and saw two teams and masons.

Huh, so Ranger could be werewolf.
Thats a weird setup mechanic.

[Firebringer]

W/e I still think Ranger should be off the table today.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, you literally revealed yourself to be scum when you logged in and failed to post, it's a losing battle if you only have 1 vote against me, we need a unanimous decision on whom to lynch, which is why you're voting for me.

Are you serious?

Make a legit case.
Your cases on me is fucking ridiculously hypocritical and stupid.

Give us reads. Tell us who you think is scum besides me.

Jesus Christ.

[Firebringer]

I just woke up and nobody still is on Tojam.

Come on guys, we have 9 hours left.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Hi im Yakko

IF this doesn't hit Mafia, we are screwed.

[Firebringer]

This game is literally over, Fferyllt put up the game ending post.

[Firebringer]

My kills were terrible.
I killed Pisskop cause I knew he was town, and never wanted to push him for a lynch.
Ranger I thought had to be werewolf because of the mechanics of this game.

Just ugh.

Never let personal feelings decide your actions >.>

So bad.

[Firebringer]

gg scum team.
Tojam should have been lynched other day instead of Yakko, like I said.

[Firebringer]

I decided my night kill like 10 minutes before day starts.
I wanted to put Davesaz name first, but then I was like "No he is for sure town"

Then I also thought PC or Tojam, and that I could probably push either of their lynches.
That left Ranger or Anxiety, and I read you guys as harder town, and with Ranger role and game mechanics, I don't know.

>.>

[Firebringer]

Theres no much in the mafia PT. You can release it, I think its less than a page.

[Firebringer]

This is the second time I've modded this setup. The first time, both the Masonry and the Monkery were 1-town, 1-scum. In this game, the roll turned out that both neighborhoods were town only. That difference in setup didn't seem to affect the game much, though both neighborhoods seemed to feel like they were town.

I beg to differ.

My kill was essentially based on Rangers role claim.
That is a huge game changer.

[Firebringer]

I think I put that WIFOM of Ranger could be ww so that possibly she'd be killed overnight if we didn't lynch mafia. I didn't really get the mechanics and thought we won right away cuz we couldn't lose wout game throwing.

fferyllt told me only possibility was a tie between our teams, and I decided "fuck that, a tie isn't worth the trouble"

[Firebringer]

We also hard bussed tojam cuz he was worthless. Luckily, town thought he was lurker town so we didn't have to lynch him but would have if necessary.

No offense tojam but you were. The only reason we pulled it off cuz we were a hydra that worked together a lot and talked a lot about what to do.

Please post more and vote more if you draw scum again.

Is it sad that only scum wanted to lynch Tojam? lol.
I mean you guys were voting him, I was.

But the town didn't want to vote him. They instead went for Yakko who, while not the best, was arguably better than Tojam.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, it would of required us to practically game throw.

I don't blame you. I would of done the same thing.

You did well though anyway.

It would basically require me to convince the other town, which was PC, to go no lynch.
I have to hit one of you two, and then you guys would have to miss me.

Its just waste of time.

[Firebringer]

Thanks for modding fferyllt, please next time I replace into your games give me a town role pm. Kthx

I hate playing scum >.>

[Firebringer]

When Mina and I discussed the 2-1-1 situation that arose here, we talked about the win condition as it's written in the Wiki. She thought the optimal play for the Werewolves was to vote No Lynch right off the bat and go directly to Night phase. Then, it would be a question of whether they night killed mafia or town to decide the game as either a werewolf win or a werewolf/mafia tie.

You should edit the wiki to clarify the tie mechanics for future games, so its not up in the air question.

[Firebringer]

I thought you played a really strong game, especially given your partner died on N1 before you were even in the game.

After running this game a second time, although I really like the two-neighborhood setup and mechanic where they can both potentially be infiltrated, the town in this setup is too weak. This is the 9th time the setup has been played at MS, and so far town has never won.

Someday I may tweak the setup and run it one more time.

Personally, I think their should be a Cop role or something to the roles.
I know its called "Masons and Monks" but seriously, the town are underpowered to all hell in this game.

It could hurt to give them 1 investigative, right?

[Firebringer]

if you want to tweak it enable day chat for masons/monks and have it that both WW and mafia can be mason/monk but both slots can not be the same scum team.

to clarify
Monks can be WW/mafia but not WW/WW or mafia/mafia, same with masons

I don't think this fixes the issues....
I still think town needs at least 1 invest or power role. Or some mechanic.