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Post #1082 (isolation #207) » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:00 am
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
Yes, it is possible that Rvokthe is the Witch, but Bus Driver is what he claims. It has not been confirmed, but he says that Persivul should be able to confirm it. Coincidentally, Persivul happens to be blackmailed.
He should be able to confirm it tonight, I think.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
Yes, but it is difficult to tell which one is the bad guy.
Aronis had a really bad temper, calling the town "morons" for pressuring him to roleclaim. Then he self-voted and claimed Survivor.
Yakko first claimed Amnesiac, and much later, long after Aronis had already claimed Survivor, he counterclaimed Survivor (but only when we were starting to become sure of him being scum).
I am inclined to believe that Yakko is the bad guy here.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
No, after checking the night messages, and applying what people told me about flavor having importance in this game, it was the Mafia that killed FA. My kill was probably redirected to Errant.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1256 (isolation #225) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:49 am
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
No, I didn't ask. It just makes more sense to me. The Witch would be really stupid if they could force someone to take an action without them choosing to do that. I only have 3 shots, so that would be incredibly stupid.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1315 (isolation #235) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:57 pm
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
The funny thing is: 3dice has been confirmed scum since D2. Yet, he still alive. He could have been lying this whole time, but I tend to believe him. But even if he was lying, I don't care that much, because he is no longer the main threat.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1318 (isolation #238) » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:01 pm
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
No, wait. It is possible for you to lie if you convert Town instead. But if we could verify that you chose one of those two players, then you could not lie about it.
I know, that is much less exciting. Still. *shrug*
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1332 (isolation #239) » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:10 am
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
If I have a shot left, we could lynch the Witch, then I shoot the Cultist. The Godfather then probably kills one Townie. Then we lynch the Godfather with two Townies left.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1395 (isolation #247) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:25 pm
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
Unbelievable that town won.
In the end, it came down to a bluff game between town and the cult. I had a feeling that the Witch had been converted the night before, so I figured it had to be Yakko, since 3dice wanted to lynch Aronis. I could not be sure Sensei or Axle was already converted. If that were the case, then the town had already lost. So we had to continue the game as if that were not the case.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
if witch doc lived he could of saved 3 dice and basicly had a free convert if gf/vig didnt double down on him
Yeah. Exactly. But it all depended on assuming 3dice had indeed failed until Yakko. I did believe he was honest until that point. But it didn't matter if I was wrong, since we would have lost anyway.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
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Post #1398 (isolation #249) » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:44 pm
Postby AlwaysInnocent »
I really hated the modkill by the way, Netherspite. I know you did what you thought was best, but I really disagree with what you did.
Two reasons:
(1) What constitutes an "informative vote" is arbitrary and subjective. You shouldn't have to rely on the subjective interpretation of the mod for the game outcome (or at least as little as possible). Otherwise it will likely lead to a lot of frustration.
(2) The day ended because of the modkill. This had a huge influence on the game. 3dice could have been lynched that day. I suggest that modkilling has no influence on the lynch.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
In post 1398, AlwaysInnocent wrote:I really hated the modkill by the way, Netherspite. I know you did what you thought was best, but I really disagree with what you did.
Two reasons:
(1) What constitutes an "informative vote" is arbitrary and subjective. You shouldn't have to rely on the subjective interpretation of the mod for the game outcome (or at least as little as possible). Otherwise it will likely lead to a lot of frustration.
(2) The day ended because of the modkill. This had a huge influence on the game. 3dice could have been lynched that day. I suggest that modkilling has no influence on the lynch.
I agree 100%. We hashed this out a few times in dead chat if you want to see a kind of ugly battle.
It doesn't have to be ugly.
Netherspite did what he thought was best. I just disagree with his actions. I don't dislike him for it. I just hope he is going to reconsider this in his next games.
Otherwise I enjoyed the game (although multi-ball and role madness is a bit too much for me).
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
In post 1420, SilverWolf wrote:No, Netherspite handled the whole thing very well and his decision to remove BM in future games is a good one. It's just that some of the shit in the dead thread got ugly unfortunately. But in any case, it's over and town won so it's all good.
BM is less "fun" in games with format as long as this one.
if you want to have mechanics like that where there is slippery slope grey area. I have seen information conveyed by the mere timing of naked vote... when the person could speak but chose not to.
So if you want to have mechanics like BM, I think youd need to have a private topic vote thread for the BM person, and then the mod only copies across whats appropriate.
I suppose, To make it less "no fun", you could have the private topic so it is made public to the game next day, that way the BM person could rant to themselves in it and comment on the game and it and their reads become public even if they die. I suspect however its a bit of "no fun" mechanic as people sign up, and spend their time, (quite a lot of it) to play. The BM mechanic gives them a raw deal where they still have to spend the time but cant play. Its bad mana.
My 2C.
No, what is "appropriate" is still arbitrary and subjective.
It is better to limit the number of votes of a blackmailed person, which minimizes the information that can be conveyed. It is also entirely objective and thus there can be no controversy about the interpretation of the rules (so players won't feel cheated).
This is why in games like soccer people talk >95% of the time about the decisions of a referee. Everyone happily interprets the rules in their favor. This is also why there is a lot of anger and frustration in these games, which makes me dislike these games immensely. Every good game has objective rules where interpretation issues are minimized or completely nullified.
"You've been furthering the win condition of the Mafia even better than the Mafia." - Dierfire
