Blitz 17: Netherspite's Blitz SORM II [Game over]

[Wisdom]

Hai

[Wisdom]

On first glance everything looks kinda town in these first pages and that's weird in a game with 7 scum :/

[Wisdom]

Though it's probably the fact I'm unfamiliar with almost everyone

[Wisdom]

The 7 people I like the least, in no particular order: {3dicerolling, Frozen Angel, hi im Yakko, Aronis, Persivul, Aristophanes, Sensei}

The rest of you can be town, maybe

[Wisdom]

The 7 people I like the least, in no particular order: {3dicerolling, Frozen Angel, hi im Yakko, Aronis, Persivul, Aristophanes, Sensei}

The rest of you can be town, maybe

Nice game solved!

Anytime

[Wisdom]

SW I think rkvothe is town, do you not?

[Wisdom]

Maybe

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom, why do you townread me?

Because I think your attack on ika doesn't look scum motivated.

[Wisdom]

some, Wisdom seems scummy.

Oh? Talk to us about that.

[Wisdom]

Okay

[Wisdom]

It feels too blatant to be jester play

[Wisdom]

No. The game has started, regardless of lynchable day or not. You should be looking for scum.

[Wisdom]

What is my scum motivation in that?

[Wisdom]

3dice your ISO is awful

[Wisdom]

3dice your ISO is awful

Have you looked at your own?

What's wrong with mine?

Defense of 3dice noted.

[Wisdom]

I'm kind of iffy on FA's alignment right now. Her play is definitely not town though. She might be mafia or a third party, but definitely not town.

Why isn't she town?

[Wisdom]

Shh, let the townies talk

[Wisdom]

Anxiety Attack - scumish

Why?

[Wisdom]

What's wrong with mine?

In 92 you say that everyone looks kinda town, but then in 119 you give 7 scum reads, and were condescending about it. This feels like you want to set yourself up as a leader early, and that continues in 164 and 189.

What's wrong with being a leader?

[Wisdom]

That's okay

[Wisdom]

Nah

[Wisdom]

actually I shared my reads. I did some tests...

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm not town ...

Not everyone.

[Wisdom]

Boo. Too low.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: 3dice

[Wisdom]

So guys.

3dice, the Cultist, tried to recruit me.

Lynch please.

[Wisdom]

mhm

[Wisdom]

<3

[Wisdom]

Judging by the reaction, there are no other cultists. So my work is done.

[Wisdom]

Other people you guys should lynch if I don't make it: Persivul, Aristophanes, and maybe Sensei and Aronis.

[Wisdom]

Judging by the reaction, there are no other cultists. So my work is done.

Obviously if I target you, then there couldn't be any other cultist.

There's a Neutral Random that could be an extra Cultist or Witch Doctor, but apparently not.

[Wisdom]

AA are town.

[Wisdom]

no

[Wisdom]

otherwise killing scum would have died, right?

Not if the Godfather did the kill. They have nightkill immunity.

[Wisdom]

I don't recommend assuming things based on flavor.

[Wisdom]

sup ika

[Wisdom]

Mod:

Can a blackmailed player vote in the gamethread, or can they not post at all?[/b]

[Wisdom]

Blackmail: During the night phase, you may PM me the name of a player you want to blackmail. Your target will be silenced for the following Day+Night phases cycle: they won't be able to post in the game thread or any PTs they are in. You can target your partners.

[Wisdom]

Though I think that probably doesn't allow them to post at all, and ika is just fooling around.

[Wisdom]

If the blackmail is legit I could see ika being scum now.

[Wisdom]

Nope. They can target their partners.

[Wisdom]

My point here is that a good use for an early blackmail is to target a partner so that people think the blackmailed isn't mafia. And I could totally see ika wanting to do that seeing as he's experienced in this setup and it is the newly introduced role etc.

But maybe that's just paranoia.

[Wisdom]

True, ika might be pretending.

[Wisdom]

Dunno, but he's blatantly ignoring that there's a claimed scum and that I'm conftown apparently

[Wisdom]

ika: Claim your category by voting as many times as the number of the category in post 2.

[Wisdom]

Actually, there is a Mafia Role that does the same as Jailor, the Kidnapper. He's not cleared.

[Wisdom]

nah

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

till the claiming business finishes

[Wisdom]

No, he's not claiming because he'd rather more scummy people claim first.

[Wisdom]

Not for me.

[Wisdom]

He will recruit if we don't lynch him.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, we're lynching him. I am not risking him surviving somehow and recruiting.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: wisdom
VOTE: 3dice

VOTE: frozen
VOTE: axxel

VOTE: AI
VOTE: errant

I get this now. He is saying

"Wisdom kills 3dice, Frozen kills Axxel, AI kills errant".

[Wisdom]

ika, my action resolves after the kills, so I'll be dead before I kill him.

[Wisdom]

AI, Errant is town. Please stop.

[Wisdom]

I don't know his meta but he's looked consistently town

[Wisdom]

Also I'm town power

[Wisdom]

People that still need to claim: {Aronis, randomidget, Persivul, Aristophanes, AxleGreaser, Sensei, rkvothe}

[Wisdom]

Yakko is probably the Neutral Killing imo

[Wisdom]

Why would you kill Frozen?

[Wisdom]

oh wait..

[Wisdom]

Yakko -> Neutral Killing

Persivul, Aristophanes, Aronis -> Mafia

Sensei -> Something else Neutral

[Wisdom]

random and rkvothe

[Wisdom]

Oh, I missed Axle too. Well either him or random for the other Neutral

[Wisdom]

who are our fucking protections, investigitions then?!

Lol. I can say without lying I am not neutral killing wisdom.

Sorry mate, everyone who has claimed Power/Killing is town, so you're the odd one out.

[Wisdom]

Cool, another scumclaim.

[Wisdom]

Now that yakko scumclaimed, AI and Errant should kindly stop TvTing, thanks!

[Wisdom]

dude, you just said "true"... And you didn't answer why you'd shoot FA.

[Wisdom]

It is extremely unlikely that there are this many killing powers.

Vig, Vig, Jailor, Jailor (?).

For town alone.

And then you have the Mafia, neutral killing.

Is that likely? I think not. So how likely is it that Errant is town?

Vig, Vig, Jailor, Spy, Errant. Five.

It is likely, yes. The setup is random generated.

Stop being paranoid just because he happened to fool you in another game. He's town.

[Wisdom]

Also if I was evil why would I say you're right wisdom? Where is the scum motivation.

Where is the town motivation?

[Wisdom]

dude, you just said "true"... And you didn't answer why you'd shoot FA.

Their early play suggested a decent role along with AI. I'd shoot FA as the thread felt in agreement to FA possibly town.

The thread felt much more in agreement about Ranger being town.

[Wisdom]

Also if I was evil why would I say you're right wisdom? Where is the scum motivation.

Where is the town motivation?

I think the town motivation is fairly obvious no? Or am I to assume you don't understand what essentially clearing people means?

I am not following, no.

[Wisdom]

I'm assuming you'll explain what you meant..?

[Wisdom]

FA, he's claiming Amnesiac.

[Wisdom]

We won't waste a vig shot for 3dice. I can kill him but killing roles act before me so that's not safe either. We'll lynch him.

[Wisdom]

Plus one of {random/Axle}

[Wisdom]

Remember that the Godfather and the Neutral Killing are both immune to kills, so if you guys fail your vigs, it's probably because you got one of them.

[Wisdom]

AI likes to TvT a lot

[Wisdom]

Axle, cult cannot recruit mafia. Why wouldn't they kill me and let the cult spread?

We are not nolynching.

[Wisdom]

your hesitation is scaring me.

claim your category right now

He's scum, no need to be scared

[Wisdom]

How?

[Wisdom]

Your category, Aronis.

[Wisdom]

Aronis, we have all claimed categories. Stop dodging and claim yours.

[Wisdom]

Okay, Aronis is scum. Moving on.

[Wisdom]

blah blah

[Wisdom]

It's okay, Aronis, you already claimed scum.

[Wisdom]

Yet to claim: rkvothe, Sensei, Persivul, Aristophanes

[Wisdom]

Haha. It's not the mod's fault you don't know how to play this setup.

[Wisdom]

So far I've had all claimed scum (3dice, yakko and you) in my initial 7 scumreads, and that's before any claiming happened. How's that for "random tunneling"?

[Wisdom]

Shoot me. I dare you. It aint gonna work

although this makes the claim pretty likely to be true, I did enjoy entertaining the possibility that aronis was jester who was absolutely next-leveling us

He could also be godfather or neutral killing

[Wisdom]

Yet to claim: rkvothe, Sensei, Persivul, Aristophanes

Trivia: All of those except Sensei have been online since D2 start yet chose not to post.

[Wisdom]

We simply cannot risk relying on other factions doing what we think they would do.

[Wisdom]

I think we lynch aronis then wisdom NKs cultist.

No, for multiple reasons.

One, my mason recruit resolves after the kills, meaning I might be killed before I recruit-kill 3dice.
Two, Aronis could be a jester, therefore he should first be vigged, and if it doesn't work, then he should be lynched.
Three, why do you want to lynch a survivor over a cultist?

[Wisdom]

town has to use todays lynch to kill someone you really ought be able to tonight.
Playing the game with one less lynch than we could is also a risk.

It's not a risk lynching someone that we know is anti-town.
It is a risk allowing him to go to night and depend on anti-town factions to allow us to kill him before he recruits.

[Wisdom]

Still need to claim: Sensei, Persivul, Aristophanes.

[Wisdom]

Cool stuff.

[Wisdom]

Actually wait. All Government roles are confirmable. Can you confirm yours?

[Wisdom]

I had one terrible thought, all that AA said could be considered as trying to crumb info while post restricted? If that's so, why he wasn't modkilled or something? Idk, it just felt odd. I'll continue reading.

That's true, ika has definitely done more than show he's blackmailed.

[Wisdom]

So, ika is prolly scum, and not blackmailed.

[Wisdom]

How can he not consider them as crumbs? He shared his category and even confirmed he is Jailor via using votes. What would be a "crumb" if not this?

[Wisdom]

Yeah.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: AA

[Wisdom]

My only worry is if Nether forgot to explain that in detail to ika and only did when I asked, and it's not like Nether can confirm that now.

[Wisdom]

Though if I was Nether and this happened, I would say that blackmailed people can use votes for whatever, and just change the ruling back to normal in the next game I'd be using a Blackmailer in.

But ugh.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, I meant when he explained what blackmailed people can do, not now. Now obviously he can't say anything because he will confirm things.

[Wisdom]

If we don't second guess anything, AA is simply scum, yeah.

[Wisdom]

We're lynching 3dice wisdom is gonna mason aronis both protective roles are gonna be on wisdom.

I can't mason aronis. I can only recruit Citizens and kill Cultists.

[Wisdom]

We could lynch AA instead of 3dice, I don't mind

[Wisdom]

Yeah. A mafia lynch is better than a cultist one.

[Wisdom]

He can't jail if we lynch 3dice

[Wisdom]

sec I haven't read everything

[Wisdom]

The 7 people I like the least, in no particular order: {3dicerolling, Frozen Angel, hi im Yakko, Aronis, Persivul, Aristophanes, Sensei}

The rest of you can be town, maybe

6/7

Who needs claims and roles

[Wisdom]

Masonry PT: awaiting permission from Wisdom

I posted nothing in it, so.. granted?

[Wisdom]

ftr I tried to recruit Errant N1 because he said he wasn't too excited with his role and I thought maaybe he was crumbing Citizen.