Open 622 - Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[jmo16mla]

PUMPED. This is my first game in a year or so.

Give me a second to read up.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: mario

Pers is giving me bad vibes, but is looking town for being active id like to keep him around for a while.

Snarky really hasn't contributed much.

I'm going to say rist is town.

Kop, obv town.

any vote on Kop was not to be taken seriously. Pers and Armageddon vote on him looks bad. I don't like it.

[jmo16mla]

Sorry. My vote on Karnage stands for now.

Nice contribution. Care to scum hunt?

[jmo16mla]

jmo is laying down the law.

Dont try to blow smoke. Just trying to get this game going.

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: snarky
VOTE: ricastle

Is this better? I didn't realize snarky had so many defenders!

this is terrible:(

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: snarky
VOTE: ricastle

Is this better? I didn't realize snarky had so many defenders!

This is probably the second worst post of the game.

exactly who are you reading scum right now besides lowell.

[jmo16mla]

@Lowell

I understand that you want this game to go quicker, but your post is giving me the impression that your trying to appear to be pro town, and look like your doing something.

say something you havent heard before. I know its hard to play being confirmed town and not have to prove anything to anyone, but please try to help us out a little more because youre dead tonight.

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: snarkysnowman this post feels very townish to me

noted.

[jmo16mla]

lol did you see his quick unvote after a null post of snarky? i literally lol'd.

[jmo16mla]

soft buss there.

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: mario

[jmo16mla]

Zulfy, can you elaborate on what you found?

We have two trains right now, do you find them both to be town?

[jmo16mla]

My vote isn't on someone with only my one vote.

[jmo16mla]

im still looking karnage/arm/zulfy

At least one scum is in that group.

Arm and zulfy slots haven't provided much information. Which, isn't a scum tell, but they aren't exactly scum hunting either.

[jmo16mla]

How much have you read? I can't believe that you wouldn't have any reads after being fully caught up.

Well you know sometimes that's just how it is

What pings are you getting from Mario?

Read the magenta

Zulfy, can you elaborate on what you found?

Mario being LAMISTy, is all. Lowell too for a bit. Everything else from everyone else could go either way.

We have two trains right now, do you find them both to be town?

What?

im still looking karnage/arm/zulfy

At least one scum is in that group.

+1, I just don't like the type of motivation that would result in this post being made.
Why the need to assert so definitive like that so early? I feel like you're trying to show off how aggressive you plan on being to earn towncread.

Arm and zulfy slots haven't provided much information. Which, isn't a scum tell, but they aren't exactly scum hunting either.

Not sure about Arm but I'm doing my best to fill these pages up with magenta

Also, guys, can we please talk about 208, because I seriously believe that's a slip?

Make it easy for me to understand.

Yea me too please

I'm not trying to gain towncred for anything. You can search my meta about me calling out a group of players and trying to pick out scum. Just my play style.

Out of the two lynch trains right now, do you think both of those possible lynchees are town?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: jmo16mla

This is where I want my vote for now.

Yeah I kinda want to see some reasoning. You haven't said much this game.

I'm sorry my posts have been lacking. I've been phone posting and it's showing in my play.

[jmo16mla]

Got prodded again. I just started class today and I've been busy. I meant to post but didn't get to after cooking. I'll post tonight. Promise.

[jmo16mla]

I'm reading.

[jmo16mla]

I'm reading on page 13 as of now. I see that zulfy is now at L-1. Guess I'll find out why soon.

[jmo16mla]

I notice the karnage wagon is stalling. No one really defending him, per se, just sort of stuck.

This is a good sign, IMO.

Two more, please.

Two more votes, cookies, what?

Also why is it stalling good?

Lowell just prodging and telling us to vote Karnage. Seems scummy, buf from what I can tell is also typical Lowell. Willing to vote if it continues, but for now isn't enough.

This just hit me, and someone tell me if I'm wrong. I guess you could scream wifom, but a wagon stalling when it was at L-2 makes me think scum is already on the wagon. And they can't persuade others to jump on a presumed mislynch.

Idk. Just a thought.

[jmo16mla]

My bet is that he said that he was scumreading you after my case. I never said it was votes.

he never said he was scum-reading me though I guess 168 and 169 could be inferred as a scum read.

but, then why wasn't ricastle included?

I could go for Karnage, but I think that it would make more sense for him to have switched the way he did if he was bussing.

that was just a couple of posts before...

@Karnage; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if examples were needed why have other people listen to me? How about you read your ISO instead of dismissing my points?

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut only 2 people out of 9 have actually listened to you and one of them is currently at L-2 so you haven't exacty made a compelling case.

*three out of eleven. lowell, genda, jmo. at least one of us is town, and can see it.
try again?

I was slight scum reading you,(only in association with snarky though) but wanted the slots with little to no activity to post to see what I should do with my vote.

[jmo16mla]

Coincidence. I haven't had anything really to add, but I'm still here.

Noted

[jmo16mla]

Coincidence. I haven't had anything really to add, but I'm still here.

And you're back on the scumlist.

Rist is still my top town read. Pers I think is still up there too but he hasn't been posting at this point all too much. We will see.

[jmo16mla]

Hi, still here.

VOTE: Karnage

L-1. Things seem to have stalled a bit, and I hope that putting Karnage on L-1 will help spur some last minute discussion. I don't agree with the whole scum slip thing though.

Noted that you came out of left field to put karnage at L-1.


Also, a couple post down pers asks for a hammer without a claim. I don't like that at all.

[jmo16mla]

Oh and I voted jmo because

A - I think he is scum and

B - he lied in 324

Lol gotta take care of the family.

[jmo16mla]

I don't think Karnage is a good lynch.

I feel like you're not providing much.

Either Lowell or Ricastle are my choices.

OK, Ricastle
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ricastle

You're voting my top town read. I don't like that.

[jmo16mla]

Kop is replaced by roflcopter effective immediately.

I'm excited to see what he has to say.

[jmo16mla]

Kop is replaced by roflcopter effective immediately.

I'm excited to see what he has to say.

That was a weird post.

[jmo16mla]

At the moment I had made that initial post, anybody

So the reason you unvoted in 270 is that you didn't want to lynch anybody at that point?

Yep

VOTE: Zulfy

Give me a day please.

This is awkward.

[jmo16mla]

375 doesn't really look like a ricastle/karn scumbuddy thing actually. persivul do you have any other reasons to suspect this pairing?

Agree with this. This is all he is pushing and I'm not seeing it.

[jmo16mla]

I'm pegging this bunnymeme man as scum right now.
*Peg*

But not everyone that thinks you're scum is scum...

[jmo16mla]

I'm pegging this bunnymeme man as scum right now.
*Peg*

Wait... your scum reading the only confirmed town in the game right now?

VOTE: Zulfy

Do we have enough time to lynch this guy today?

[jmo16mla]

I'm pegging this bunnymeme man as scum right now.
*Peg*

Wait... your scum reading the only confirmed town in the game right now?

VOTE: Zulfy

Lmfao. I just noticed that. Hahaha

Anyways, I want to lynch Armageddon because of his random coming in and voting.

[jmo16mla]

Wow, you guys seriously don't have a problem with someone jumping off an L-1 wagon with absolutely no reason given? Interesting.

Timmid town?

[jmo16mla]

Anyways, I want to lynch Armageddon because of his random coming in and voting.

Yeah, I can tell how much you want to lynch him by the way you didn't vote for him.

With less than two days to go, coupled with the pace of the game, it's not happening. So why waste that?

[jmo16mla]

How do you feel about Armageddon though?

[jmo16mla]

Hi, still here.

VOTE: Karnage

L-1. Things seem to have stalled a bit, and I hope that putting Karnage on L-1 will help spur some last minute discussion. I don't agree with the whole scum slip thing though.

I'm pegging this bunnymeme man as scum right now.
*Peg*

Wait... your scum reading the only confirmed town in the game right now?

VOTE: Zulfy

Comes in to vote the main train and bring him to L-1. Then he comes in to vote the new train and uses a so so excuse to vote him. I understand we have to lynch someone today, but I feel like he could have used zulfys oversight as a excuse to jump on the wagon. I don't know. Maybe I'm just caught on that idea..

[jmo16mla]

Someone that can agree with you makes them town? You realize how easy it is for me to mimic your reads?

[jmo16mla]

Can we keep this guy if he is finished soon and makes sense or what. I'm all for an arm lynch.

[jmo16mla]

Damn, if he's scum townreading me for scumreading him, that's pretty ballsy.
UNVOTE:

Wut

What kind of play is this?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: zulfy scum is trying to make us not lynch today.

I'd like to hear copters reads if he's got any before night.

Meaning don't hammer until he posts.. Unless of course that means no one gets lynched.

[jmo16mla]

intent to hammer

i'm tired of this.
karnage or zulfy. i don't even really care. to be honest.

they're both mafia anyway.

Noting you being oblivious to what's going on.

[jmo16mla]

intent to hammer

i'm tired of this.
karnage or zulfy. i don't even really care. to be honest.

they're both mafia anyway.

karnage was at L-1 before Ricastle saved him for no reason. Works for me.

karnage

VOTE: karnage

If you don't care about this game then stop trying to control it.

I'm posting like everyone else. This is the second time I've been accused of trying to control the game. The first was from Mario. And speaking of Mario, I read his ISO and I don't like it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mario

This guy...

[jmo16mla]

You've got 24 hours. Lol

[jmo16mla]

He's at l-2. We need another vote on him.

[jmo16mla]

You have any reads?

[jmo16mla]

You self hammered...

[jmo16mla]

Snarky I asked for reads. I expect them.

[jmo16mla]

Sorry I asked Gandle. But I also want your reads.


Karnage, a while back you tried to paint me as scummy saying that I'm mimicking snarkys reads. Would you care to show that we share reads or are you just trying to point a finger?

[jmo16mla]

So my reads for now.

Town {MarioManiac4}
Townlean {Persivul, Marcrell, jmo16mla}
Null {Armageddon}
Scumlean {Karnage, Grendaberry}
Scum {Ricastle, Lowell, Zulfy}

I think there's definitely a scum in {Karnage, Ricastle}

Except persivul is now null to scumlean

Grendanberty is scumlean?
I haven't gotten much out of him.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: Armageddon

[jmo16mla]

You make me uncomfortable as well.

[jmo16mla]

Vote him to get him to speak. He's your scum buddy?

[jmo16mla]

You've got scum reads, yet you're not voting them.

[jmo16mla]

And now you're gone.

[jmo16mla]

For the slip, obviously.

Do either of you have anything substantial to bring to the table or are you just going to loiter around like crows?

There was no slip. You're the only one thinking there was any sort of slip.

I've been scum hunting the whole game minus my couple of days absence.

SNARKY: why aren't you voting one of your scum reads?

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: riscastle

You're role fishing. And continually speculating on the setup.

[jmo16mla]

The fuck?

[jmo16mla]

What are you trying to achieve with these questions, might I ask? You're a goon cop that checked me last night, is that it?

[jmo16mla]

youre excusing him for asking about your role. Which is EXTREMELY anti town /scummy. And you feel like this is fine because you guys were speculating about roles?

No.

[jmo16mla]

A goon cop isn't a mafia role. It's a town role that says "goon" or "not goon"

Wha are you talking about marcrell?

Look at this shit. Lol

[jmo16mla]

Goon Cop
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are now a Goon Cop.
Abilities:
Each night you may target a player. You will receive a result of "Goon", "Not a Goon" or "No Result".
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Copied from the first page.

[jmo16mla]

Normally I wouldn't like any sort of role fishing but asking if they're a goon cop is more a general statement of suspicion than role fishing. Like asking if someone has a mafia role PM-it's never a serious question, it's stating suspicion.

VOTE: jmo16mla Being weird yo.

Refer to my last post.

[jmo16mla]

You still don't see how what marcrell posted was incorrect and you still voted with him?

[jmo16mla]

I see that it was incorrect. Incorrect doesn't automatically mean scummy.

I never said marcrell was scummy. I was inferring that you didn't read what he posted, but saw the vote and then voted, yourself. Meaning, you didn't even look at the case, only the vote and that there was someone behind the wagon you "wanted" after voting me earlier for what exactly? Because I stated riscastle was ROLE FISHING?

Are you even reading the game? You're vote hopping has been great by the way as of this page by the way.

[jmo16mla]

zulfy is persivul's traitor, yup

persivul is for sure scummy and i still think zulfy is the right lynch

[jmo16mla]

I'd like for you to see ricastles sheep or marcrell. I don't know what to think of marcrells vote. I don't know if he's fucking clueless or just mafia trying to build a shitty story. im leaning toward the first one.

[jmo16mla]

I beat of instead of for. Stupid iPhone.

Okay, I can agree with that.

[jmo16mla]

I meant of instead of or***

[jmo16mla]

I'd like for you to see ricastles sheep or marcrell.

Do you mean Perisvul's sheep of marcrell?

Did you just completely miss the post two posts above this one or are you just trying to fill up space and look town?

[jmo16mla]

Yes, persivul. Damnit.

[jmo16mla]

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

This. You guys are massive idiots if you're both town and telling the truth.

[jmo16mla]

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

And how are two claimed town PRs going to explain not being NK'd a day or two from now?

that's a good point.

Wifom.

[jmo16mla]

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

This a lot. I'm not really inclined to believe either claim but I'm going to read up and evaluate.

YOU STILL ARENT REPLYING TO ME ABOUT YOU VOTING ONE OF YOYR SCUM READS.

[jmo16mla]

id like to see if someone counter claims any of the roles.

Pers could have easily just not said anything until he got a better result. I don't know why you didn't wait till you were at L-1. Why did you claim when you had no votes on you? Seriously? That's stupid.

[jmo16mla]

My point is that we have no way of knowing the fate of the Traitor. What are you trying to achieve with these questions, might I ask?

You're a goon cop that checked me last night, is that it?

why the fuck would you ask this question? where is the possible benefit to town?

Watch out, I got voted earlier for doing saying that.

[jmo16mla]

You've got scum reads, yet you're not voting them.

For the slip, obviously.

Do either of you have anything substantial to bring to the table or are you just going to loiter around like crows?

There was no slip. You're the only one thinking there was any sort of slip.

I've been scum hunting the whole game minus my couple of days absence.

SNARKY: why aren't you voting one of your scum reads?

[jmo16mla]

Waiting for snarky to give his scum reads or not.

[jmo16mla]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

This is our supposed town list.

3 scum left, 7 players to chose from.

Everybody!!!

I'm still debating on persivuls claim is genuine. No one was pressuring him except people asking about why he was talking about setup. Ristcastle role fishes, then persivul votes me for voting riscastle... If persivul actually thought riscastle was scum, (he just said riscastle could have been the mafia role cop) why didn't persivul vote for riscastle in the first place?

To;dr Persivul voted me for voting riscastle, knowing he tracked riscastle, then later called riscastle possible scum..

[jmo16mla]

id like to see if someone counter claims any of the roles.

Pers could have easily just not said anything until he got a better result. I don't know why you didn't wait till you were at L-1. Why did you claim when you had no votes on you? Seriously? That's stupid.

As noted, I tried to get some information without claiming yesterday, but in hindsight I needed to be more subtle. Any scum watching certainly figured out that I was a PR of some sort, so there was no sense in not giving my results. I'm dead tonight either way.

I'm not understanding.

For some reason this post only included the quote earlier and not your post under it so I'm just seeing it.

You tried to get info without claiming yesterday? Again, why would you claim at all unless you were at L-1 with someone claiming intent to hammer. I didn't see how you were a PR before you outed yourself. I'm not seeing it.

[jmo16mla]

What the fuck.

[jmo16mla]

What the fuck.

You should have gotten not goon. Not no result.

[jmo16mla]

Ah. I forgot he was the one that was "role blocked" wow. Full circle eh? I'm having a hard time believing everything fell into place so conveniently. This last claim meant NOTHING. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CLAIM. NONE.

[jmo16mla]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

<-----

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

This is our supposed town list.

when exactly did you become "supposed town"?

Since I got a town role PM. I know I'm town. Therefore I colored myself green.

[jmo16mla]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

Updated.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

[jmo16mla]

You've avoided a lot of my posts towards you lately asking for reads and asking why you're not voting top scum reads that you had on day one. You sat here and waited to have any sort meaningful input, but that can be thrown out because you echoed everything everyone else already said.

[jmo16mla]

10 people alive,
6 to lynch from.

We Lynch wrong?
8 people alive, 5 to lynch from, 3 scum.

We lynch wrong again?
6 people alive, 4 to lynch from, 3 scum.

If we don't have any sort of information from our proclaimed PR's by then, we have some issues. I think we have this game in the bag.

[jmo16mla]

Also, why 6 to lynch from? You realize we only have 3 claimed PRs. So...

10 alive, 7 to lynch from => 8 alive, 6 to lynch from => 6 alive, 5 to lynch from, worst case.

Either I'm missing something really big, or you are.

I'm taking myself out of the equation.

[jmo16mla]

My vote on Karnage still stands. Don't really think he's town, sorta hard to describe I guess.

The claims could be a scum gambit but probably isn't. I'm going to steal the five possibilities;

1) Persivul lied. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but is the same alignment as Grenda. (scum!Persivul risked something that had a small chance of being true with no real lynch case)
2) Persivul told the truth. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but again shares the same alignment as Grenda (Roleblocker is a town-only trait). (so persivul claimed he tracked Ricastle to Gendaberry, then Ricastle claims RB as scum? Plausible)
3) Persivul told the truth, Ricastle told the truth, and Grenda is lying. (not really much movitation for genda to do that as scum but can't be ruled out)
4) All three lied => All three share the same alignment. (possible, best solved by flipping one of them just before lylo)
5) All three told the truth => All three share the same alignment. (probable IMO)

This post is practically useless.

[jmo16mla]

Mario, you don't have ANY sort of input on the game?

[jmo16mla]

Yeah okay I completely misunderstood the jmo thing. Been doing that a lot lately, not surprised, UNVOTE:

If Armageddon is actually back and going to post I'll leave him be for the time being.

Though I don't want to vote Ricastle for a while since he claimed and I'm conflicted at best on most others....

VOTE: Armageddon

:/

[jmo16mla]

I think I'm fine with marcrell lynch..

[jmo16mla]

Idk. It makes me feel uneasy. He wants to let Armageddon post, then votes him instead of unvoting. I'm going to iso a few players later and see if I can grab something.

[jmo16mla]

Post coming later.

[jmo16mla]

Why is Snarky not an option, Lowell?

Also I'd really like to know what the case on Arma is that couldn't apply to a fuller extent to Snarky and Marcrell.

That's the thing. The case on Arma applies to about the same extent on me, Marcrell, and even Grenda. It's not legit.

Gotta start somewhere, right?

[jmo16mla]

Okay, how about here.

Town by claim: {Persivul, Ricastle, Grenda}
Town by (my) read: {Mario, Jmo}
Null by lack of post: {Marcrell, Lowell, Armageddon}
Null by lack of (my) read: {Karnage,

Snarky

}

Wait, you have a null read on yourself??

LOLLL WHAT DID WE FIND HERE?!

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: snarkysnowman


List coming soon.

[jmo16mla]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

Updated.

Provided snarky is telling the truth... I'm not sure. I just feel like it's a long shot that scum really picked that many things...

3/5 of those people listed are scum provided snarky is town.

VOTE: Armageddon

This is L-1.

[jmo16mla]

Nice ATE. Just say you're busy and you'll get to it later. You're trying to make us feel bad for you and I'm not falling for it. Get your reads list finished when you can.

[jmo16mla]

Please, please show me some of my scum play.

I told the guy to stop speaking to emotion and get his reads in when he can. And you want to tell me that's "cocky scum"?

[jmo16mla]

Whoah, what the hell?

[jmo16mla]

It came from a revised analysis of his play. What really inspired me to vote him, though, was his latest post.

Nice ATE. Just say you're busy and you'll get to it later. You're trying to make us feel bad for you and I'm not falling for it. Get your reads list finished when you can.

It's horrid. He put Arma to L-1 with no explanation and is now pushing hurriedly to resolve what he considers an easy lynch. He also makes it appear as if he has as much of an idea of the case on Arma as Arma does. As I said, confidence has gotten the better of him now and it is apparent.

This wouldn't be the first time I've caught scum like this, either, so I know what I'm looking for. I might pull some more things from his ISO to bolster my point in a minute.

IVE HAD HIM AS SCUMMY FOR NEARLY THE WHOLE GAME. tell me how voting my scum read is scummy.

[jmo16mla]

Let me tear your shitty ISO to shreds when I get to a computer. Wow.

[jmo16mla]

Snarky, what made you claim? Do you also not understand that claiming without needing is anti town? You had a little amount of pressure on you. If uour claim is true, it's one of the strongest roles we have and you outed yourself.

anyways, we need to get rid of the players we have little to no info on that look like they won't be posting anytime soon. I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm not going to mylo/lylo with someone that hasn't contributed much all game. That's just something that puts major doubt into my head. It doesn't leave you with anything to analyze if you get in that situation and with as many claims that we have, we have this game wrapped up provided no one lied.

I'm phone posting on my way to school, but I'll better explain my reasoning later.

[jmo16mla]

I'm going to disagree. We have 5 or 6 players to lynch from if you include me. 3 scum. That's a 50/50 shot of hitting scum.

You sound like having one mislynch is detrimental. It's not. If we did mislynch again, we would still be in great position to win.

Could I be scum just trying to push mislynches trying to extend my life in this game? Sure. But scum is practically caught. It will take a miracle for them to win.

[jmo16mla]

I still have my isos I promised and I'll get to it later.

I want everyone to list three people they would lynch. Don't list them right now. I want to post mine first, then I'll pop corn and tell someone else to then they get to pick someone else.

[jmo16mla]

I understood what post you were looking at. lol

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: mario

Pers is giving me bad vibes, but is looking town for being active id like to keep him around for a while.

Snarky really hasn't contributed much.

I'm going to say rist is town.

Kop, obv town.

any vote on Kop was not to be taken seriously. Pers and Armageddon vote on him looks bad. I don't like it.

Terrible opening post. Says as good as nothing about the game, and looks more like he's scraping to find things to contribute.

id say this is contributing to the game.. exactly what do you want me to say 100 posts into the game besides stating some reads.

Sorry. My vote on Karnage stands for now.

Nice contribution. Care to scum hunt?

Hypocritical busywork.

sorry, i want people to contribute.

jmo is laying down the law.

Dont try to blow smoke. Just trying to get this game going.

Misconstruing a harmless side remark as a jab at him. Indicative of a paranoid mindset.

exactly how is keeping people from buddying me an example of paranoia? that doesnt even make sence. its not like he attacked me and i had a bad reaction.

UNVOTE: snarky
VOTE: ricastle

Is this better? I didn't realize snarky had so many defenders!

this is terrible:(

Passively sheeping the status quo. Never acts upon this.

I admitted that i didnt vote much on day one. i was hardly active and i told you guys this. Im not "sheeping" anyone here. im calling a post terrible and noting it

UNVOTE: snarky
VOTE: ricastle

Is this better? I didn't realize snarky had so many defenders!

This is probably the second worst post of the game.

exactly who are you reading scum right now besides lowell.

Hypocritical - at this point in time he has no stated scumreads.

ASKING FOR READS ISNT HYPOCRITICAL. if someone asked me for reads, i believe i gave them

lol did you see his quick unvote after a null post of snarky? i literally lol'd.

[/quote]His initial reply to that post was 'noted'. Only when Mario jabs at Karnage does he take the initiative.

what initiative did i take? i didnt vote anyone here so how is this different? i just said that i lold. you called this "sheeping" three posts up.

[jmo16mla]

UNVOTE: mario

Buddying Mario as a result.

how is unvoting someone "buddying" them? he was my original vote in the game. I didnt make him town by any way.. how is it buddying?

My vote isn't on someone with only my one vote.

His vote wasn't on anyone at this point, despite the fact that he had expressed scorn at both the top wagoned players of this time.

youre taking this out of context. Here, i was asking someone that entered the game if they thought both of the major wagons were on town players.

im still looking karnage/arm/zulfy

At least one scum is in that group.

Arm and zulfy slots haven't provided much information. Which, isn't a scum tell, but they aren't exactly scum hunting either.

Yet he isn't voting any of them?

my game play up to this point was lacking. I should have used my vote more on day one.

VOTE: jmo16mla

This is where I want my vote for now.

Yeah I kinda want to see some reasoning. You haven't said much this game.

I'm sorry my posts have been lacking. I've been phone posting and it's showing in my play.

He wants reasoning but then immediately assumed right after that it's because his posts are lacking? WMFM + paranoia + a random discredit on the IC.

1. whats wrong with questioning the IC that replaced out of the game because he wasnt posting.
being confirmed town, doesnt mean great play.
2. I KNEW my posts were lacking great quality and I was stating that to everyone. i still wanted Kops case. if he had one. i really dont like how you keep saying paranoia. Even when playing as scum, i dont get paranoid people are on to me. lol

I'm reading.

Completely useless post - his next one being 70 posts later. This reads to me like scum who is worried that they need to post something, which is consistent with the paranoid mindset displayed earlier.

This is me about to post. i had planned to read ahead but didnt get to it.. i was going to post, but didnt end up having time. as i said earlier, feeding the family holds more importance than the game.

still nothing to do with being paranoid...

Coincidence. I haven't had anything really to add, but I'm still here.

And you're back on the scumlist.

Rist is still my top town read. Pers I think is still up there too but he hasn't been posting at this point all too much. We will see.

Buddying while giving no actual opinion on Snarky.

earlier, you called me scummy and hypocritical for asking for reads without giving them. but now that i call someone town, im buddying.

I don't think Karnage is a good lynch.

I feel like you're not providing much.

Either Lowell or Ricastle are my choices.

OK, Ricastle
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ricastle

You're voting my top town read. I don't like that.

A random discredit on Snarky + passive-aggression hidden behind a barrier of obligation.

I didnt like snarky. He was null scum. didnt know i couldnt have a scum read.

I saw you as town. nothing more.

Kop is replaced by roflcopter effective immediately.

I'm excited to see what he has to say.

That was a weird post.

Paranoia.

lol

[jmo16mla]

375 doesn't really look like a ricastle/karn scumbuddy thing actually. persivul do you have any other reasons to suspect this pairing?

Agree with this. This is all he is pushing and I'm not seeing it.

Doesn't make a move to properly confront Persivul on this matter until he's able to sheep.

why is asking the active IC (that i trust, as seen two posts above. for input on certain situations a bad thing?

Wow, you guys seriously don't have a problem with someone jumping off an L-1 wagon with absolutely no reason given? Interesting.

Timmid town?

Going out of his way here to defend me for no apparent reason.

did you miss the part where i called you town earlier? i know you didnt though because you quoted it above.

Anyways, I want to lynch Armageddon because of his random coming in and voting.

Yeah, I can tell how much you want to lynch him by the way you didn't vote for him.

With less than two days to go, coupled with the pace of the game, it's not happening. So why waste that?

Appears complacent with the pace of the game, and unwilling to try and speed it up.

wrong. I didnt want to start a lynch train(might i add the same lynch i wanted to get done earlier before i got called scummy for it) at the pace the game was running at and not get a lynch in. which is worse than possibly mislynching. so you tell me what I should have done there. go and try to push a lynch on armageddon and potentially not get it through because no one was posting?

I see that it was incorrect. Incorrect doesn't automatically mean scummy.

I never said marcrell was scummy. I was inferring that you didn't read what he posted, but saw the vote and then voted, yourself. Meaning, you didn't even look at the case, only the vote and that there was someone behind the wagon you "wanted" after voting me earlier for what exactly? Because I stated riscastle was ROLE FISHING?

Are you even reading the game? You're vote hopping has been great by the way as of this page by the way.

Randomly lashing out at people he doesn't even think are scum now. In other words, paranoid scum using intimidation tactics. Persivul's seen this from scum me before.

good thing my game play isnt like yours. He was voting me after sheeping someones post that was incorrect. This was before his claim and I wasnt liking that post in particular.. why cant i start scum reading someone when they do something scummy?

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

This. You guys are massive idiots if you're both town and telling the truth.

First time properly addressing this issue is, you guessed it, a sheep. How many times has this been now?

Several people were trying to spot the traitor yesterday, but if I were scum, recruiting the traitor would have been a no-brainer. Would probably have also taken role cop, but nothing more.

ricastle, what would you take as scum?

I'm genuinely curious, is there any actual point to this line of questioning at all?

Yes, there was. But, I played it poorly - too heavy-handed and I suspect I'm a dead man tonight now, so I may as well explain.

I'm a tracker. Last night I tracked Ricastle to you.

IMO the best explanation is that Ricastle is a mafia rolecop.

PRs that target someone are:

Bodyguard - Ricastle was more active than you yesterday, so no reason for him to think you'd be targeted for NK, or to risk his own neck for you.
Goon cop - the way he asked me if I'm goon cop seems to rule that out
Roleblocker - unlikely, as he made no indication of scum reading you yesterday
Vigilante - you're not dead, so no
Mafia role cop - makes sense. You weren't highly active yesterday, and town PRs tend to keep low key to avoid NK.

So, sorry town, again yesterday wasn't a good day for me and I could have handled that better.

Dear oh dear. I'm the roleblocker. I figured that if Genda were scum, he'd likely be the one to kill with how under-the-radar he's been so far, and I wanted to target someone slightly different after my intuition on Zulfy proved incorrect.

Now, can we get back on track and lynch Karnage? If we're lucky, we could spare ourselves a kill tonight despite this madness.

That was my first post back after the claims. so dont try to bull shit a case and tell me that this is my first post properly adressing this. IT WAS MY FIRST POST. a sheep? the claims were fucking horrible. what do you want me to say? it would have been better if i just posted that the claims were idiotic without quoting karnage? me quoting karnage makes me sheeping? seriously?

I'm not liking this. Both of you just outted yourselves voluntarily? I'm inclined to think you are both lying scum.

This a lot. I'm not really inclined to believe either claim but I'm going to read up and evaluate.

YOU STILL ARENT REPLYING TO ME ABOUT YOU VOTING ONE OF YOYR SCUM READS.

Hypocritical busywork.

So, me going after a scum read of mine to get reads is scummy? he had been avoiding me. hows that scummy?

My vote on Karnage still stands. Don't really think he's town, sorta hard to describe I guess.

The claims could be a scum gambit but probably isn't. I'm going to steal the five possibilities;

1) Persivul lied. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but is the same alignment as Grenda. (scum!Persivul risked something that had a small chance of being true with no real lynch case)
2) Persivul told the truth. Ricastle could be telling the truth or lying, but again shares the same alignment as Grenda (Roleblocker is a town-only trait). (so persivul claimed he tracked Ricastle to Gendaberry, then Ricastle claims RB as scum? Plausible)
3) Persivul told the truth, Ricastle told the truth, and Grenda is lying. (not really much movitation for genda to do that as scum but can't be ruled out)
4) All three lied => All three share the same alignment. (possible, best solved by flipping one of them just before lylo)
5) All three told the truth => All three share the same alignment. (probable IMO)

This post is practically useless.

Busywork.

You could call marios post busy work. This was a useless post.

Why is Snarky not an option, Lowell?

Also I'd really like to know what the case on Arma is that couldn't apply to a fuller extent to Snarky and Marcrell.

That's the thing. The case on Arma applies to about the same extent on me, Marcrell, and even Grenda. It's not legit.

Gotta start somewhere, right?

What the hell even is this?

Okay, how about here.

Town by claim: {Persivul, Ricastle, Grenda}
Town by (my) read: {Mario, Jmo}
Null by lack of post: {Marcrell, Lowell, Armageddon}
Null by lack of (my) read: {Karnage,

Snarky

}

Wait, you have a null read on yourself??

LOLLL WHAT DID WE FIND HERE?!

Uselessly, worthlessly sheeping a non-point. It was around here that his arrogance started seeping through.

this was a drunk post. my bad.

[jmo16mla]

Let's go people. Get in here and say something. Reading the thread and not saying anything isn't doing anyone any good.

[jmo16mla]

I'm cool with a marcrell lynch today for oportunistic voting.

I went through every point in his case that he made and made a compelling argument against what he said. I know what hypocritical means. Thanks.

How is it a train wreck? I broke it down into three posts so that people would actually read it and not just go ahead and skip through it.

[jmo16mla]

Mod Notes: Marcrell is approaching a prod. One will be sent out in the morning if he has not posted.[/color]

Nope.

jmo is either ignoring the meaning of the case or bullshitting reasons. Hypocritical indicates the same arguments can be made against you. Apparently does not understand jokes pointed out. lol does not discredit his points. Post is a train wreck.

Ricastle stop making good arguments I'm trying to scumread you. VOTE: jmo16mla

Yeah okay I completely misunderstood the jmo thing. Been doing that a lot lately, not surprised, UNVOTE:

If Armageddon is actually back and going to post I'll leave him be for the time being.

Though I don't want to vote Ricastle for a while since he claimed and I'm conflicted at best on most others....

VOTE: Armageddon

Normally I wouldn't like any sort of role fishing but asking if they're a goon cop is more a general statement of suspicion than role fishing. Like asking if someone has a mafia role PM-it's never a serious question, it's stating suspicion.

VOTE: jmo16mla Being weird yo.

First to say anything is Percy

zulfy - weird entrance - prime minister of Pakistan?

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

Votes Lowell in 182 but says no scumpings, then invents the ping in 183 - supposed to be the other way around there champ. 222 "null on every single player" is bad. Bare vote in 224 with bad explanation once again in the post after the vote.

[...]

Townier to scummier:

{jmo, lowell}
{Mario}
{Marcrell, Snarky, Armageddon, Ricastle}
{Karnage}
{Gendaberry, zulfy}

His points are good ones.

His readlist I find premature but whatever the guy seems to be impatient.

I argued that zulfy was scum. Scum would tend to defend, counterattack, or ignore such points. This guy quotes them and says they're good! I mean WTF, if he's not town, he's really unusual and ballsy scum. I'm going with town for now.

Man, where were you in all my games where I townread people for attacking me and everyone finds that scummy and adds another vote on the wagon.

UNVOTE: Didn't really scumread Zulfy but wanted to see how he squirmed. He squirms pretty well.

Comes in to vote the main train and bring him to L-1. Then he comes in to vote the new train and uses a so so excuse to vote him. I understand we have to lynch someone today, but I feel like he could have used zulfys oversight as a excuse to jump on the wagon. I don't know. Maybe I'm just caught on that idea..

Well then.
VOTE: Armagedon
Yeah. Going to need more reasonings behind those votes. And ideally for pressure/reaction votes you should actually be here to note their reaction.



Huh. We have a lot less time than I realized. VOTE: Ricastle Still want a response from Armageddon but I think this should move easier.

Tyis argument with Ricastle is going nowhere. I'm saying he has no reasoning, he's telling me the same, there really is no reason to keep going.

VOTE: Zulfy
That's L-1, nobody hammer until we hear more from Zulfy. Recent actioms are interestibg, I think we can learn a lot from how he reponds.

Oportunistic voting. Forget Armageddon lynch today. This is gold.

VOTE: marcrell

[jmo16mla]

Well the quotes are in reverse order, but no matter.

[jmo16mla]

IM FCKING PUMPED PEOPLE LETS GO.

[jmo16mla]

And of course no one is awake to post. Cool.

[jmo16mla]

jmo v. marcrell feels authentic to me. Probably one is scum and one town. We should narrow our lynch pool to these two and see where the votes are. Reviewing marcrell I see he sided with me on a couple things and so I was predisposed to like him, but really his ISO is pretty bare.

VOTE: marcrell

I see Macrell's bare ISO as being just general inactivity and not indicative of his alignment. He doesn't seem to be doing much on the site.

Mario's ISO doesn't have much other than votes for me. I think he is intentionally lurking as he seems active in other games. He is much more likely to be scum.

Oportunistic vote hopping is more scummy than lurking.

[jmo16mla]

No one quick hammer or lol hammer. I want the PRs to discuss what they want to do or whatever. I know persivul said something about it earlier. Just want to give him time to see if there was anything more to look at.

[jmo16mla]

I don't want someone blocking someone's investigation or whatever.

[jmo16mla]

Brain fart. The PRs know who the PRs are this time.

[jmo16mla]

Big money no whammies!

[jmo16mla]

No one quick hammer or lol hammer. I want the PRs to discuss what they want to do or whatever. I know persivul said something about it earlier. Just want to give him time to see if there was anything more to look at.

[jmo16mla]

You're a tracker.
Riscastle is a blocker
Grendel is a goon cop
Snarky is a bodyguard.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: karnage that's 2/3

[jmo16mla]

2/3 scum.

I went look at some interactions between you and marcrell that I didn't care for.

You hesitation to vote him really didn't sit well.

I think I caught him defending you earlier in the game also, let me retrieve the post.

[jmo16mla]

This game is dying. Let's quicklynch someone.

UNVOTE: whoever I'm voting
VOTE: snarky

I don't fully see the case here, but I don't

not

see the case. As good as anything. I'll also accept ricastle (who is sad that I caught him so easily) or Armageddon (who asks silly questions to look like he's participating.

LYNCH!

This really is a terrible post... Why didn't I see that earlier.

[jmo16mla]

I notice the karnage wagon is stalling. No one really defending him, per se, just sort of stuck.

This is a good sign, IMO.

Two more, please.

Two more votes, cookies, what?

Also why is it stalling good?

Lowell just prodging and telling us to vote Karnage. Seems scummy, buf from what I can tell is also typical Lowell. Willing to vote if it continues, but for now isn't enough.

The slip:

Nevermind. I'm an idiot. I was waiting for you to say snarky then i was going to ask how me, snarky, and Lowell could all be scum but I forgot about the mafia traitor.

I'm guessing what he's getting at is that most people would assume 3 scum in a game with this many players. There's only going to be two people in scumchat due to the traitor, so it makes sense for scum to slip up and forget about the traitor when counting the number of scum in the game.

Also, Zulfy's probably the Traitor.

Karnage was going to ask how I could think three people were scum. This implies that he believed the scumteam consisted of less than 3 people. He corrects himself by remembering the existance of a traitor.

What townie would assume there were two scum in a 12P if they forgot a traitor existed, let alone a townie with multiple years on-site experience?

Obviously, the traitor isn't mentioned in the other scum's role PMs, and isn't in their PT. This would make it easy for one of those two scum to forget there was a traitor and

then

assume there were only two scum. This is the only standpoint from which his assumption makes sense.

He read 209 where I accused him of assuming there were only two scum, and brushed it off as an honest mistake, with no further attempt being made to clarify his post's true meaning. If what you say were correct, I think he would have made it clear by now.

Fair, but I was mostly referring to the traitor's name. Also, this is an open so it would be easy for them to find that basic information out anyway. Without a name to associate with the role, it's much more possible to forget about it.

Why? What have I said that is wrong?

You wanted to end that line of questioning after you lost the punchline so you wouldn't have to awkwardly drop it later.

But let's say you're town. Why did you think there was only two scum?

Here, because you're making up slips.

Still here, hi.

Hello.

Nobody put Karnage at L-2, we don't need a quickhammer today. Or almost any day.

So you are ok with 115 and 170 where he voted/unvoted Mario without commenting on either?

I mean it isn't entirely desirable but early day1 I don't see too much scum in this. If it puts someone to L-1 or hammers or something yeah, but these votes happen all the time.

VOTE: Ricastle Answering questions for someone else isn't good. Refuses to move off the scumslip line despite it being horrid. Probably realized that, won't back down because people might suspect him for it. That or he's just dedicated to pushing Karnage until lynch with this. Either way, scumny.

Here.

[jmo16mla]

is that supposed to be me defending macrell?

No, I went back looking for marcrells posts that I saw last night and found that one from Lowell in the process.

[jmo16mla]

roflcopter

Karnage

MarioManiac4

Persivul

Ricastle

Marcrell

Lowell

Armageddon

Zulfy

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman

Gendaberry

This is our supposed town list.

2 scum left, 4 players to chose from.

[jmo16mla]

Arma and Mario top my list.

Explain why I top your list, what exactly makes me scummy?

You're scummy to ME because I feel like you haven't contributed much at all and you're just kind of gliding along.

[jmo16mla]

Scum snarky wouldn't surprise me.

He claimed late. Filling the last possible spot for a power role.

[jmo16mla]

Scum can only chose so many roles. Town get 2plus however many scum pick, which is three.

I'm wasted right now so inn not even going to argue with your stupidity.

[jmo16mla]

lowell, you reading the game bro?

[jmo16mla]

Mario, you legitamently think that makes snarky scum?

[jmo16mla]

I'm stuck between Mario legitamently taking someone else's idea that was already talked about, and pursuing it as a scum read.

And Lowell calling me scum boy or what have you when I mentioned how many power roles we have is maxed out due to the setup of this game.

[jmo16mla]

I just showed up to LOL at ricastle for how scummily he bussed his partner yesterday. Scummy as hell.

Can we get a force replacement or something? Ricastle flipped green...

[jmo16mla]

Can we get some people in here?

[jmo16mla]

Nothing to do about time. Lurkers need to post.

Because ricastle flipped town and he obviously has no mason partner or anything like that. I'm questioning his want to even play the game.

[jmo16mla]

VC 1.16

Zulfy

[LYNCH]

-

Ricastle

, Karnage,

roflcopter

, Armageddon,

jmo16mla

,

Gendaberry

,

Zulfy

Karnage

- MarioManiac4, Lowell

Ricastle

- SnarkySnowman,

Marcrell

MarioManiac4

-

Persivul

Not voting:

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Flip coming shortly!

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-01-18 11:30:00)

Mod Notes

: Lowell will be V/LA 1/18-1/21

[jmo16mla]

Shit

[jmo16mla]

VC 1.16

Zulfy

[LYNCH]

-

Ricastle

, Karnage,

roflcopter

, Armageddon,

jmo16mla

,

Gendaberry

,

Zulfy

Karnage

- MarioManiac4, Lowell

Ricastle

-

SnarkySnowman

,

Marcrell

MarioManiac4

-

Persivul

Not voting:

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Flip coming shortly!

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-01-18 11:30:00)

Mod Notes

: Lowell will be V/LA 1/18-1/21

[jmo16mla]

Just analyzing.

[jmo16mla]

Enough of this.

VOTE: Marcrell

why him?

[jmo16mla]

Karnage is the traitor..

[jmo16mla]

Idk I'm confused.

[jmo16mla]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=625

It appears as though marcell would bus. He voted his partner here so i wouldnt put it past him to go ahead and vote his partner here either.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: armageddon

[jmo16mla]

who are we lynching tomorrow snarky?

[jmo16mla]

we have 3 people to chose 2 scum out of provided you or ganda isnt lying. Im agreeing with percivul. if you guys power roles are real scum probably chose to recruit the traitor.

[jmo16mla]

now if we lynch two and both are town, and youre still alive, im coming after you/ganda

[jmo16mla]

guess youre right.

[jmo16mla]

just for shits, we have 8 alive.

worst case scenario, we mislynch and the nightkill goes through.

6 alive. two scum.

we mislynch and the nightkill goes through,

4 alive. 2v2

I dont want to be there.

[jmo16mla]

anyone have anything to contribute?

[jmo16mla]

Or do that.. That's fine too.

Lowell, who's scum?

[jmo16mla]

Besides your obvious Armageddon suspect.

[jmo16mla]

I re read your post and maybe I'm just an idiot. But I don't see anything.

[jmo16mla]

soo, can we get a flip?

[jmo16mla]

*waits for Persivul*

[jmo16mla]

[bote]mario[/vote]

They hate us cause they anus

[jmo16mla]

Damnit.

VOTE: mario

[jmo16mla]

Lol after Armageddon flipped joat, all I could think was that snarky better protect percivul because there likely isn't any more goons.

[jmo16mla]

Yayeighh

[jmo16mla]

gg!
town deserved this one but the pr overload was a bit much.

You guys chose it! Lol

[jmo16mla]

Thanks percivul. I just couldn't let that post bring me down. Lol

After we flash wagoned marcrell, the game was done.

[jmo16mla]

gg!
town deserved this one but the pr overload was a bit much.

You guys chose it! Lol

nope, all scum members where replaced apart from armageddon who was the traitor at that time.

Yeah, I kinda felt bad for the scum team in this regard. Random Canadian had to make the choices with no help since golden never confirmed, then he bailed too.

Ahhh you're right.

[jmo16mla]

sorry zulfy:(

[jmo16mla]

honestly, i didnt see the case on you, but we needed a lynch to go through.

[jmo16mla]

I really really wish we doula hegenwngwne wherenyiubfuywbsoukdnhwgrn made thend fusions,

[jmo16mla]

So no scum qt?

[jmo16mla]

[quote="In post 40 jmo the "conftown"[/quote]

[jmo16mla]

Makes me feel good. Lol