Blitz 19 | Fire and Ice with Rooms | Endgame

[Ranger]

Would you believe me if I said I had a serious scumread on rvothe?

[Ranger]

I guess that answers that question. Now who is the crazy one here. Ranger with the gambit? Or reaction test? Did they catch him? Or fall into his trap?
VOTE: political clout

The player who most fits the description of "falling into my trap" is actually you.

VOTE: lane.

Scorpious

may

be scum, star's a remote possibility, but everyone else on page one is varying degrees of null to town, PhantomCobalt as strongest town.

[Ranger]

Sharing reads isn't scumhunting?

I could not disagree more.
Listing is a valid scumhunting technique.

[Ranger]

{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout}
{hiplop, rkvothe}
{pignash, TheTinyPeach, Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

[Ranger]

As so.

[Ranger]

ranger i cant read lane help me out

In general? Sorry, can't help you out there, mate. Don't know him.

In this game?

Just read him as scum and vote him. Trust me, you'll be golden.

[Ranger]

Too easy for scum to hop on while giving no reasons. Look, he's at L-3 with not much reasoning behind the votes.

This is a good point!

How?

Literally every post of yours is filled with scum motivation.

Get a room: PhantomCobalt, Ranger, Flubbernugget

While I realize the value of having a room to share reads, I must decline: time spent in a room is time spent not in-thread, and I feel my presence is absolutely required in order to get a lane lynch in.

[Ranger]

Shadow votes: Lane

.

[Ranger]

{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop}
{Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

For reference: this is everyone moving up on the list, not anyone moving down.

[Ranger]

Actually, I feel comfortable enough saying this:
{PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane}

[Ranger]

Oh, that reminds me.
Lane

probably

wouldn't proxy his vote to his scumbuddy, so he and itlepip are most likely scum of different factions.

They're both fairly decent scumreads, of course.

[Ranger]

We are 5 pages in, even Phantom isn't a 'decent scumread', both you and phantom are acting like we are 100 more pages in than we are.

The reads are all immediately obvious. lane is behaving like scum, and is probably scum with startfromtheheart. Your posting isn't quite as bad, but you're my second-strongest scumread, with Scorpious as my current guess for your scumbuddy.

[Ranger]

If enough people vote in this manner, those players will gain a temporary post restriction that they may not talk to or about each other in public for 48 hours or the rest of the day phase (whichever is shorter). While restricted in this manner, they may continue to vote and unvote each other normally, including room votes and proxying.

Oh, looks like I misunderstood the rules. It's not 48 hours of silence, it's just 48 hours of being unable to say PhantomCobalt and Flubbernugget, then.

VOTE: Go get a room: PhantomCobalt, Flubbernugget, Ranger.

[Ranger]

Give evidence for any of your reads, like any one of them, at all, whatsoever.

Okay!

I can read RVS posting. ;)

[Ranger]

Fire should be higher in this list yo.
Ranger, where is the trust?

You earn it slowly.

You

are

earning it, but you have to earn it slowly.

I see no reason why ranger couldn't be civil and not respond with a straight face instead of smug arrogance.

Was that response read as arrogant? Sorry, it wasn't meant to be. itlepip made a comment earlier that "it is literally impossible to read RVS posting", and I was taking a jab at that by deliberately invoking the same words in the positive. A more in-depth answer would be: I come from a site that

specializes

in reading RVS content. Days later, we still come to the early section of the game to review it. (D1 is almost always an extended RVS: people get serious near the end of D1, but by then it's usually too late for anything other than a blind lynch. We've gotten used to it.)

I'd be the first to admit: in multiball, this is much harder than normal. Heck, we JUST finished a (very, very, VERY rare) multiball game over there. (I was a lover, died fairly early.) My normal process is virtually worthless. While I fully consider being wrong in my reads, especially given multiball, I'm not going to make much progress if I always assume all of my reads are wrong, now, am I? So for the time being, I'm going to assume I'm right and pursue my early reads.

Pls don't be a super ebil manipulative mafia lord like Postie, and if you have to at least get crosskilled please.

I read now.

No offense, RC, but you be pingin' mah radar.

[Ranger]

So my internet went down just as I was posting this:

Lane is an awful wagon and I don't support it.
Rvkothe is decently scummy.

Not sure if scum with lane, or scum opposite of lane, hard to read, but definitely looks like scum, especially given this stance when combined with 177 and then especially 179.
(

Am I allowed to quote something containing the name of a roommate?

)

And seriously, this game needs a billion posts more content. I'm getting nothing.

Odd, I got plenty.

VOTE: itlepip
flash wagon gogogogo

This is an acceptable alternative to lane.

VERY frustrated at my internet provider, since that is the second time it has gone down in the last 24 hours. (Not much I can really DO about that. Aside from call and very angrily complain.)

[Ranger]

I think lane has a scummy style. I think a lynch on lane is bad because he isn't here to defend himself and that wagon has always felt super mislynchy to me.

Hey, RC.

Remember me?

Yeah, the person who pushed for a Starbuck lynch when Starbuck was absent?

Remember my thoughts then?

Yeah, still just as true now.

Just because they are absent, and just because they have a scummy posting style, does not mean they are not exempt from the lynch. Scum are scum. We want to lynch scum. I know lane has a scummy style, I've seen lane play before. And I'm telling you, lane is probably scum anyway. I've seen scum players lurk, I've seen them even get replaced, but they were still just as much scum as ever.

[Ranger]

PEdit: well, holy shit. Now this is the better lynch

Funny how momentum seems to shift this direction when

I can no longer defend

.
Like...I can still push lane.
I can still push itlepip.
I can still push RC who is increasingly-likely scum.
But I can't defend the mislynch.

I want to immediately lynch rkvothe tomorrow probably at this point.

I don't. This is probably the same town rkvothe from our last game together: someone who makes some occasionally-scum-looking points that lessen the townread, but who has strong posting in the key areas to keep the townread there.

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[Ranger]

I agree with hiplop's 232. SO much. The names on that wagon are just...so...bad.

Not even joking, every scumread of mine is on there. startfromtheheart, itlepip, lane, RadiantCowbells...could the wagon get any worse?

I don't like a few of the people on it, but this is multiball and it's the second most likely wagon to flip scum of everyone we could possibly lynch that I could think of so I'm doing it.

If the number of people on the wagon you don't like is greater than two, instant red flags.

Coincidentally, the number is double that for me!

VOTE: startfromtheheart actually this guy is obvious mafioso.

Yes, but the only lynches we can realistically achieve today on scum are lane or itlepip.

[Ranger]

Can I skip all that and just have some chocolate?

If you vote whichever of lane/itlepip has the most votes?

Yes.

If you help mislynch a player I have as my strongest townread?

Not so much!

[Ranger]

lane0168 (L-6): Ranger
Radiant Moonlight (L-6): pignash
startfromtheheart (L-6): Political Clout
Not voting (1): Peptobislawl

Okay, this is just sad.

Turns out that startfromtheheart is just as realistic a scum lynch as itlepip and lane are.

VOTE: startfromtheheart.
The RC slot is still the weakest of my four scumreads, and I

would

prefer to see Titus give content anyway, even though they're still my best bet for fourth scum. So, we can lynch them later, not today.
Today it's whichever of startfromtheheart/lane/itlepip we can get going.

[Ranger]

Can't do a proper readslist, but can do an informal one.
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Firebringer}
{Peptobislawl, pignash}
{Radiant Moonlight}
{startfromtheheart}
{itlepip}
{lane}

[Ranger]

You know the funny thing about multiball?

When a town player is mislynched, both scum factions are likely on the wagon. Because they both know it's not a member of their scumteam.

This is what has happened here.

[Ranger]

Town players are painfully, painfully,

painfully

obviously town.

[Ranger]

I now know the dangers of rooms

Yeah, no kiddin'. I can't talk about this publicly until tomorrow, not that it matters since I'm going to be an automatic nightkill upon the townflip. Especially saddening because this is something that without rooms I

could

avert right now, just here hoping unvotes come in time.

[Ranger]

Actually, gonna do something rash with my readslist:
{Political Clout, rkvothe, hiplop, Firebringer}
{pignash}
{Peptobislawl}
{Radiant Moonlight}
{startfromtheheart}
{itlepip}
{lane}

pignash isn't as solid as I would

prefer

, but is looking town. I'm also comfortable with my callout of hiplop and Firebringer to move them up to the second-tiered townreads. If I'm wrong on one of my four scumreads, Peptobislawl is the most likely outside of them to be scum.

[Ranger]

I don't feel confident enough to unvote, but it'd a shame if we lost you

If you unvoted, I could talk about why that unvote was a smart move tomorrow.
Or you could just mislynch and have my logic apply only posthumously when it's worthless.

[Ranger]

I'm pretty sure I can say that I HAVE explained myself in the room. I just can't post said explanation today.

[Ranger]

So: if you mislynch, regardless of whether I live or die, that explanation is useless. Maybe being proven right about it increases townreads on me, but that's, you know, reason for why I'd be dead.
If you unvote and try to lynch scum, regardless of whether I live or die, the explanation is guaranteed to survive until tomorrow because three players cannot die in a single night. You like it (you should), then good. You don't, you can waste tomorrow's lynch instead of today's.

[Ranger]

Incidentally, I THINK (not positive) my stated logic is further reason itlepip would be wrong (itlepip's logic is flawed and absolutely contrary to the truth, can't explain why thanks to restriction), so much so, that itlepip would be scum.

[Ranger]

Tell you what Ranger.

We're townreading Lane, you're townreading PC.

Would you lynch Rvkothe with us?

Absolutely not. rkvothe is one of my strongest townreads. Trading one mislynch for another is still mislynching.

What's your stance on startfromtheheart?

[Ranger]

Null, but if you're not going to work with me at all I'm not going to deviate from one of my major scumreads.

Well your scumreads are ABSOLUTELY backwards given that they are based off of things that are fundamentally and provably wrong but which I can't discuss today.

I have five players I will vote.
Only five.
{lane, itlepip, startfromtheheart, you, Peptobislawl}. That order would be my preference, but if people refuse to vote lane, well, I'll take whichever of the five I can get. Currently, that's startfromtheheart.

[Ranger]

Like, you're trying to put me in a position where you're expecting me to put blind faith in your reads which are utterly unexplained and contradict with mine.

Well given that it's about something I literally cannot talk about? Yes. Blind faith is required until tomorrow.

I have a great deal of confidence in my own reads so if you want to get me to compromise you're either going to have to compromise yourself or provide some damn good reasoning.

Oh, I'm already compromising. I have five names I can lynch. That's a fair pool. I'm voting one of them. But compromising onto town is still mislynching, and I refuse to do that. Nulllynch is fine by me.

We know you can't talk about your roommates right now, but what about the theories they've come up with? Anything we haven't already heard?

Pretty sure this would be a violation of the restriction.

[Ranger]

There is no doc claim, but that does not mean I have nothing. I actually have a fair case.
Which, you know.

I can't post right now.

[Ranger]

Lol ok

If you think this is town posting, seriously, shame on you.

VOTE: itlepip
plz follow suit

I'd love to, but I think startfromtheheart has more support right now.

[Ranger]

Hey Ranger, you want a counterwagon?
Let's make a counterwagon.
VOTE: Peptobislawl

The rules haven't changed: I will vote whichever of the five candidates have the most votes.

Right now, that's startfromtheheart.

Unfortunately, I also have to leave for real-life reasons in like five minutes, and I'll be gone for five hours, meaning I won't be back until two hours before deadline.

[Ranger]

I hate you all.

[Ranger]

Well...my mistake on rkvothe; I thought he was breadcrumbing doctor which was the main reason he was a top townread of mine.

Gimme a sec to find the buddy.

[Ranger]

So...
-Radiant is not an rkvothe scumbuddy. (Radiant pushed rkvothe.)
-lane is not an rkvothe scumbuddy.
-itlepip is not an rkvothe scumbuddy.
-startfromtheheart is not an rkvothe scumbuddy.
-Flubbernugget is not an rkvothe scumbuddy.

That leaves: {Peptobislawl (top choice), pignash, hiplop, Firebringer} as possible scumbuddies.

VOTE: Peptobislawl.

[Ranger]

...Okay objectively speaking I suppose it leaves me, too, but I did think rkvothe was the doctor which is why I was so adamantly against that lynch.

[Ranger]

With ten alive, the play SHOULD be to eliminate the flipped scum as early as we can, no?
'Cause this is just my ice-hunting.
I can go fire-hunting if that's the better play, but I think eliminating a faction has priority here, yes?

[Ranger]

pignash is lynchbait in my opinion: a favored secondary lynch candidate to PhantomCobalt.

hiplop and Firebringer are

possible

, but unlikely.

The main thing making me hesitate here is that ice is the faction which killed Political Clout. He pushed Radiant a little, startfromtheheart quite a bit, and lane quite a lot, too. And itlepip.

...But he did vote Shadow (Peptobislawl's slot), too. And called rkvothe gross.

I'm not getting much, there, unfortunately.

[Ranger]

Wait a second. Because I pushed someone they can't be in a scum faction with me?

Given there's only two members of a scumteam and losing one loses half your power, and you were SERIOUSLY pushing the rkvothe wagon really, really hard?

Yeah.

I mean, you could still be fire, especially if fire was deliberately aiming for a crosskill, but you're definitely not ice.

What led you to believe that Rvkothe was doctor, exactly?

Remember how I said rkvothe was posting the same way he was last game I had with him? There he was also a protective role. I saw a lot of signs. Would have to check the iso for exactly where, but various bits and pieces here and there made me think rkvothe was breadcrumbing being the doctor.

[Ranger]

IIoA. Boo.

Since

when

is NKA classified as IIoA?

I'm not getting

much

from the nightkill, but it does seem to weakly support my hypothesis.

[Ranger]

We 100% discussed in 17 the fact that I'm somewhat notorious for bussing my partners.
Why couldn't I have done this here?

Multiball means nothing to bussing for you?

Well, then you'd have to be the biggest idiot of all time.

Why are you so obsessed with hunting the other Ice mafia? Why can't we just lynch scum?

Simple.

1. We have a lead on the Ice mafia. We do not have a lead on the Fire mafia, aside from the psychological profile that they are players more likely to aim for a crosskill.
2. There are only a select few players who can be Ice mafia. Almost any player can still be a fire mafiate at this point in time.
3. If we eliminate the Ice Mafia kill, we get rid of a faction who has shown a clear pattern towards deliberately aiming their shots on town.
4. If we eliminate the Ice Mafia kill, we get nine players, a doctor who can protect against the fire mafia nightkill, and only one source of kills rather than two, giving us greater control of the game.
5. And personally, for redemption since my mistake in misreading rkvothe means I'm motivated to catch rkvothe's partner.

[Ranger]

I don't really see much of a point.
Bluntly, I don't fully trust you and I feel no need to earn your trust.
Even if we're both town, I'm not sure what good the room would actually do.
Anything worth hashing out in a room is worth hashing out here.

With PhantomCobalt, there was a point. We were basically masons, with a third wheel to help us should one of us have died.
With you, I don't see the benefit.

I also don't see the harm, but I don't have reason to vote for it. If you want the room, sure, get others to vote for it; I'm not opposed. I just see no reason to vote myself into it.

[Ranger]

get a room hiplop radiant moonlight & ranger

That...actually might be more interesting. Sure.

Get a room: hiplop, radiant moonlight, Ranger

.

[Ranger]

Even if you think we might be scum we're as motivated as you to find one faction of scum.

Never said you wouldn't!

I said you weren't scumbuddies with rkvothe.

That statement stands. I do not think you would be suicidal--and it would be exactly that, suicide--enough to hard-bus your only scumbuddy D1 in multiball like this. You could still be fire. Kinda lean against it right now off of your D2 posting, but it's still a possibility given you match the profile of scum who'd be likely to aim for a crosskill.

Not sure if we'd want Hiplop joining tbh.

I don't have a strong read on the slot anymore.

Yeah, and you don't have a strong read on my slot, either, now, do you?
The room might be a good way to establish one.

I want a stronger hiplop read.
I really, really,

really

want a stronger hiplop read!
If you share that sentiment...then why not?

[Ranger]

(I do lean town on hiplop for what it's worth, he's just not as strongly town as I'd prefer right now.)

[Ranger]

Btw, as established yesterday: once in a room for a day, you're not eligible to be in another until the next, so...we can't have all three, or even two of the three.

[Ranger]

What exactly did you see as a doc crumb?

Well most of rkvothe's posting felt like it, but most strongly, 190, 197, 206, a HUGE one in 229 (which screamed, "yo, dude, quicklynching me is a HILARIOUSLY bad idea"...AKA, "I'M THE DOCTOR YOU MORON"), 231, and 298. All said "doctor" to me.

I don't think this is lynch bait. I think it's a scared scum

Scared scum?
Give me a break.

There aint a scared bone in pignash's body. Dude's iso is DEFINED as being fearless. Which, by the way, was one of the reasons I was so adamant PhantomCobalt was town, not that you'd know that given YOU LYNCHED HIM BEFORE I COULD POST MY TOWN CASE.

Ranger: Tell us everything you haven't told us that's been going on in your room.

I can't quote from there (except my own post, I think, wanna clear it with the mod first), but basically, PC: "Yo, I think we're all town. If you're a doctor, feel free to 'crumb. Or don't. But we can talk to each other here. With me as town, Ranger HAS to be town. Our play's literally identical, the same posts pinging for both of us. The only difference is in the strength of our reads, which I'll go into later. For now, Ranger's reads: (quoting my reads at the time: {PhantomCobalt}
{Politcal Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Flubbernugget, TheShadow}
{Firebringer}
{pignash}
{starfromtheheart}
{Scorpious}
{itlepip}
{lane})"

Flubber: "Uh-huh. Not impressed, especially with your recent posting. Why me with Ranger?"
PC: "So I had someone to talk to. Not looking good for me right now, though."
Flubber: "Well duh. You're being nonsensical."
Me: "As PC said, us having identical reads is pretty much the reason why PC is my strongest townread. I got him instantly."
Me: "(unedited readslist: {PhantomCobalt}
{Political Clout, rkvothe}
{hiplop, Firebringer, Flubbernugget}
{Peptobislawl, pignash}
{Radiant Moonlight}
{startfromtheheart}
{itlepip}
{lane}) Lane remains strong scumread. Pepto's falling down and has lost Shadow's towncred. pignash is moving up. So are Firebringer and hiplop. Political Clout is obviously town, and while rkvothe has done some questionable things, is still obvtown too." (Read: While rkvothe has done some questionable things, I'm pretty sure he's the doctor and therefore town.) "There's SO many reasons PhantomCobalt's obvtown, though."
Which I then explain. I'll wait for mod confirmation before posting it.
Me: (refined reads: {PhantomCobalt}
{Political Clout, rkvothe, hiplop, Firebringer}
{pignash, Flubbernugget}
{Peptobislawl}
{Radiant Moonlight}
{startfromtheheart}
{itlepip}
{lane})
PC: "This isn't going well at all."
Flubber: "Ranger, why are you complaining about not being able to mention people from this room when you voted yourself in it?"
Me: "BECAUSE AT THE TIME I VOTED MYSELF IN IT, PC WAS NOT GETTING MISLYNCHED! And, lo and behold, once I'm in it, suddenly, yep, there he is...getting mislynched...with me unable to do anything about it. PC was my strongest townread. No DUH I wanted to have a neighborhood to talk to him in, this is just a REALLY NOT WANTED side-effect."

And...that's it.

[Ranger]

Oh, crud.
New room.
Forgot. Even lists violate that.

Sorry, mod.

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[Ranger]

Mod cleared me for posting this:
Starting with post 14. PhantomCobalt

immediately

picked up on the same vibes from lane that I did.

CONTRARY TO THE OPINION ITLEPIP IS SAYING, PhantomCobalt has not cracked under pressure. You can see this in things such as post 84, where he calmly brushes the pressure off as if it's no big deal. He is not scum panicking; he is town who very much is not concerned. This is reinforced with his casual claim in 228, his calm analytical response in 234 about the wagon, his 249 where he flat-out says he's flipping town and to go after lane, 256 where he says rkvothe is town and a wagon there loses town either way, and 289 where he continues to be nonchalant about being dead.

He continues scumhunting the entire time, pushing players, questioning them, directing them, and is entirely unafraid of the spotlight.

[Ranger]

VOTE: pignash

This is still scum (fire scum more specifically), btw.

[Ranger]

two more votes please, his last posts are so nervous sounding, should be scum

Yeah, calling BS.
There's not a nervous bone in pignash's body. He's casual, he's unafraid, he's simply not scum cracking under pressure.

Scum reaction?

im soooo scared, someone just accused me of being scum

^Stuff like this.

[Ranger]

So you think it's town to not answer questions or give reads?

Given the circumstances?

Actually?

Yes.

Scum have reason to be afraid. They get lynched, then either it's game over (ice), or their faction is down to half power and can be cross-killed any night or lynched any day (fire). That gives them incentive to contribute.

Town hold no fear. They get lynched, it's inconvenient for their faction, but not a game-ending loss. They get lazy. They don't crack.
See also: PhantomCobalt yesterday.

And anyone who doesn't realize pignash is a carbon copy reproduction of the PhantomCobalt lynch is either an idiot or scum.

How about ranger vs start?

Well, dead scum's dead scum, so I wouldn't mind at all, but I'd rather eliminate ice rather than kill one fire and have both ice/fire alive at night.

Care to add some reasoning?

Care to add some of your own, hmm?

[Ranger]

What about pignash was solid whatsoever to move him to second from top townread, with 0 of his posts in between?

Simple: I isoed pignash.

And then as soon as he finished doing his little town boost he didn't really come to any hard conclusions or push anyone as a result.

Excuse me

?
Didn't really come to any hard conclusions?!?
DIDN'T PUSH ANYONE?!?

Oh so I suppose 408 (based mostly off of isoing rkvothe) where I use POE to narrow the pool of ice scumbuddies is nothing.
I suppose voting Peptobislawl that same post and directly calling him ice scum is nothing.
I suppose explaining why eliminating ice in 410 and 419 is not me pushing Peptobislawl.
I suppose me, after

already done process of elimination

on the ice candidates

further explaining

why I didn't think it was 3/4 the possible candidates wasn't me de facto pushing Peptobislawl the fourth. (Four candidates, thinking pignash is mislynch bait, Firebringer is unlikely = Pepto is scum.)
I suppose me continuing to scumhunt non-ice players and call startfromtheheart as scum in 492 is me doing nothing, too.

when combined with his readlist:

482 was, explicitly, NOT MY CURRENT READSLIST.
It was me

paraphrasing my topic with Flubbernugget and Political Clout

.

My reads have changed since then.
Namely by the fact that, you know. rkvothe flipped ice goon not town doctor as I had anticipated (totally knew rkvothe was going to die), and, oh, shocker!
Flipped scum overnight produces changes to a reads list!
Namely, I bothered to do analysis.
By, you know.
Looking at rkvothe's iso.
Applying some common sense.
And POEing it from there.

Either he is only aiming for fire scum right now or he is clearly not putting pressure on anyone.

Provably false, as demonstrated by, you know...me going after both startfromtheheart and you, side of lane.
I'm not sure which of you three is the idiot town, since you can't ALL be scum and none of you are ice scum, but two of you are fire.

Also his "I was totally masons with the confirmed town that can't confirm what I am saying, trust me on this" is super pinging me right now.

Oh, no trust needed.
Just PhantomCobalt's iso alone combined with word from Flubbernugget (because if he lies, he dies; his alignment regardless, he'll confirm my claim) means you need not to trust me; you can take it from HIM too.

[Ranger]

Ranger is confirmed town pretty much, along with a few others

In 301.

Ranger obv town

108 before that.

Then on my end: First list, top townread, 92. 151/152: still at top. Oh, and by the way, I stated I'd love to share with PhantomCobalt in 149, only declining at the time because I misunderstood the rules. 283, where I say I can no longer defend against the PhantomCobalt mislynch and it's suspicious momentum shifts onto him JUST as that happens. 284 has me agree with a post calling the PhantomCobalt wagon horrible. 285 is me bluntly telling Firebringer I'm not going to trust him if he votes PhantomCobalt. 290 is me saying both scum were 100% on (as in, four scum piled on) PhantomCobalt. This, contrary to what itlepip says, was not an "I told you so". It was made with intent: to call them out and say it was one of the most terribly scumdriven wagons of all time. At the time, I thought it was lane/itlepip/Radiant/startfromtheheart, though it still applies since rkvothe was on the wagon and flipped ice. (Worthy of note: TheShadow was on the wagon until they proxied their vote to me and I took it off. Peptobislawl was also on the final lynch, as were: startfromtheheart, itlepip, and lane. So my statement still stands; all four scum were on that lynch, guaranteed.)

293 I frankly was worried would get an infraction because it's

painfully

obvious that when I said "town players are town", I meant PhantomCobalt. 296, I say I have reasons to believe PhantomCobalt is town, which is later posted in 485. This is furthered in 299/300 where I BEG for an unvote. 305 is on similar wavelengths: continuing to say PhantomCobalt is town. 322 and 325 make it even more explicit.

[Ranger]

I'll ask you again ranger, what about this iso puts pignash second from the top of your list?

Actually, third from top.
PhantomCobalt, as stated multiple times, was at the top.

pignash may not have given much, but I liked 9, I had no problem with 146, and I thought 166 was excellent. The idea of the room being town, and then asking about Firebringer.

What's to dislike? How little there is? 'Cause that is no problem given pignash has been absent.
I read players off of what content they post. One post of content, a hundred posts of content, one post of content with one total post, one post of content with twenty posts, doesn't matter. I pay attention to what the content says. The content says pignash would at worst be null, at best be town.

Can't say the same for, say, startfromtheheart.
Or Peptobislawl.
You/itlepip are borderline.

[Ranger]

What are the circumstances that make it town to not give reads and refuse to answer questions, and not give any input whatsoever?

The threat of being lynched if he doesn't follow through.

This was itlepip's alleged tell on PhantomCobalt yesterday, even! Scum under pressure crack!
pignash is, and has, been under pressure. And has given...nothing. While that's certainly no rock-solid proof of township, it's at least a mild indicator.

[Ranger]

I am pretty confidant Ranger is town, my only solid read

Firebringer, you're not as strong of a townread as I'd like.
Please remedy this.
You can start by explaining why I'm such a strong townread of yours.

[Ranger]

You like him saying good morning. Brilliant. Null.

Never said that! It was actually the Scorpious vote that caught my eye.

THAT was a town RVS.

And you just happen to have a strong scumread on scum first post of the game.

No?

Like.
That was

post six

.

rkvothe hadn't even posted yet

.
I SPELLED HIS NAME WRONG. (rvothe.) An error I didn't fix until I made my list.
I didn't even VOTE for rkvothe.
That was, explicitly, RVS. I was looking to see if anyone would react to it.
And I still stand by my sentiment:
The player who most reacted to it was you.

HE KEEPS SAYING HE'LL MAKE A POST BUT DOESN'T!

...And? Town can't fail to deliver on a promise? I do it literally every single game. I make a promise, then something stops me from fulfilling it. It's null at worst, circumstantially points to him being town. As previously discussed.

[Ranger]

How do you differentiate between players whose town game is scummy and scum in this world?

Well honestly, I don't. Most of my misreads are players who were scummy with their posting style but not scum. Heck, that was my first game with PhantomCobalt! He was town, I thought him scum, I lynched him D1. Mostly I learn from experience. I have none for you, for instance, so I don't know if your scummy posting is scum or town. (Admittedly this is true for startfromtheheart too, but my current guess is start and lane are fire-scum, you're town, and Peptobislawl is ice-scum.)

I do have lane experience, though, and I've seen lane as scummy-town. Still think this isn't it.
I've got multiple games' worth of Peptobislawl experience. Scummy town, even. This is very much not looking like the scummy town. Just scum.

I do have pignash experience, too. I misread pignash as scum in our first game together, too. Scummy posting. I'll admit pignash is not nearly as town as PhantomCobalt. Just because I'm defending pignash does not mean I don't want pignash to give content. Heck, if pignash doesn't deliver, then I might just give up and let you lynch him because the read isn't as strong as I'd like.

It's promising for town.

[Ranger]

In my experience people like Pignash and Notmafia will do that regardless of alignment.

^What itlepip said.

[Ranger]

Ranger, you say you thought phantom was town because you agreed with everything he said in your room.

No, not just the room. Everything he said everywhere. Our mutual reads is why we were virtually masons and I wanted the room in the first place (which is still open, just useless, btw): he and I were agreeing a lot, I had him as my strongest townread, he had me as his strongest townread, it was effectively us creating a masonry because I was never losing that townread (because, duh, he was town) and he was never losing that townread (because, duh, I am town) and we had gained a topic to talk in for the whole game. By any other name, that's a masonry.

Actually that makes for a great point, Ranger. If rvoke was crumbing to you why didn't you mention it in the room.

Because YOU are in it? If it were just me and PhantomCobalt, or it was me, PC, and a strong townread, I'd have told you outright. But while I think you're town, you're on the pignash level of town, as I made explicit in there: I think you're town, but I don't absolutely trust you. I was going to use the flip if we could get one elsewhere, and/or the nightkills, as a way to help gauge that. PhantomCobalt and I would definitely have talked in our topic overnight, and if you were scum, then I'd expect some of our discussion to have been reflected in the nightkills. But since PC was lynched, that didn't happen, and with PC dead, I certainly wasn't going to tell YOU, who COULD BE SCUM, during THE NIGHT PHASE that rkvothe was a doctor-read. All I could do was say that while rkvothe had done questionable things, he was still town...which, well, is exactly what I said about him last game. When he was a protective role.

[Ranger]

You seem to be scum reading pignash with your previous post. Why do you trust itel in a room with them?

Don't forget! He's using a SCUMREAD ON PIGNASH as reason to justify a vote on me.

Rather than, you know, actually voting pignash.

[Ranger]

I don't like his defence of lurkers.

Defense of lurkers?
DUDE.

I get called out for voting lurkers

.
I push lurkers all the time as being scum.
Know the difference?

I push lurkers as being scum, THAT ARE ACTUALLY SCUM.
Like my Starbuck push last game.
I don't care that pignash is a lurker. I think pignash is town. Lurking is null. It's what they do otherwise.
But I've called you out for your lurking.
I voted lane while lane was V/LA.
Startfromtheheart is fire scum who is lurking.

Activity means absolutely

nothing

to my reads.

Second time start went 24 hours without posting

Yep! And I'm pushing him as scum for it.
There's scum that lurk and town that lurk. pignash is town that lurks, startfromtheheart is scum that lurks.

[Ranger]

It may be wize to claim now, ranger.

I (accidentally) already did.

I can't exactly think that rkvothe's the doctor if I myself am the doctor, now, can I?

So it goes without saying that as a result, I'm a VT.

[Ranger]

Mine can be released, yes.