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[White]

Vote: Mr Mean

because he's supposedly mean.

[White]

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Did you just claim after being random voted on page 1?

[White]

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Did you just claim after being random voted on page 1?

[White]

*long lasting laugh*

No way, wow. Well Erg0, you're shamless plug worked. Welcome CP.

[White]

Nothing witty to say? What about Cornelious claiming...on day 1....on page 1....with nary a vote....

[White]

Um...Killer, what do

you

have to say about it. Do you think it's real?

[White]

Of course I know what claiming is. Btw, all of us are claiming to be protown. Claiming townie as a cop or doc or something has many disadvantages. I guess I would only claim townie while being a power role if I doc because I would know the doc couldn't protect me because I am he.

Claiming townie also doesn't exactly have much pull. Scum claim townie all the time, therefore discrediting the value of the claim. Besides, if you claim townie while you're the cop and people don't believe you and then you claim cop, you're almost assured of being lynched because you lied and there's a meta called "Lynch all Liars".

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I'm taking it as a claim. However i'm not putting much weight into it currently because it seems what he said afterward as an explanation was a pitiful coverup.

Btw, claiming townie is a role, claiming town is a faction.

unvote, Vote: Cornelius

Was that a claim or was that a stupid mistake?

[White]

Post 5: Joke post.
Post 6: Joke post.

Post 8: "Everybody take note of Boing's reaction to my accusation. When I get killed and am revealed as a townie, remember what he said.... "

So you made a joke, he then countered with a joke and you fly off the deep end and assume you're going to be night killed and then tell us as the town what to do when you end up dead after claiming townie. Where-- what-- dude that's the most bizarre reaction i've ever seen to a joke post. There is no reason for what you said. Instructing the town to remember what you said following a joke post is bad town play. Assuming you're going to be killed for making a joke post is over reacting. There's just so many problems with your post.

Oh, and don't claim it was a joke because that would look very badly like a poor lie. It wasn't a joke, couldn't have been a joke.

[White]

EBWOP:

Hey guys, i'm going to be V/LA until Sunday, Monday at the latest.

[White]

Hmm, i'm sorry but i'm getting scummy vibes from Max. I don't know this if this just a playstyle thing or what because i'm feeling the same way in a dif ongoing game.

FoS: Max

[White]

I'm not allowed to link to an ongoing game. I'm not supposed to say much of anything about ongoing games. If you want to go look and search it out then feel free but I can't give you a link.

In other news, what does "sussed" mean?

[White]

Nah. Because if you're already voting someone but suspicious of someone else then you can FoS them to show that suspicion. In addition it's better to FoS than jump from vote ** to vote **** to vote *** back to vote ** just so show suspicion.

[White]

Hahaha, I get that a lot.

[White]

You know, it's only 3 pages. We're on the tail end of the random voting stage, why don't you just throw out a vote on who you think is most suspicious and why.

[White]

Oh sorry, I assumed it was seeing as it was post...5. Are you claiming to know that he's mafia? on post....5?

[White]

Come on man, swearing? There will be lurkers in every game.

Besides, true to form, I don't like to take it easy until -2 and -1.

[White]

Hey Skitzer! You better not lurk.

Wow Corn...nice /roll over and die post there. Giving up with..what...3 votes on you? No, make that four.

I'm quite happy with my vote right now. Feel free to give a defence this time though.

Whoo! Go mod for quick replace!

[White]

Hey guys, Corn is at -2. It's page 3, you hammer you die. We need info out of today, give Corn time to show us his teammates.

Corn, gives us a list of your suspicions and tell us who you find is most suspicious, who you think is most likely to be town and all that jazz. And don't give me some BS about it only being page 4.

[White]

Ok, I guess I can see how you misunderstood. Here's what I was asking for, a break down of every player and how you feel about them. For example:

Corn, I think he's messed up a bit and i'm leaning toward newb scum. His joke vote then heartfelt command to the rest of the town after the joke was joked back seemed sincere but was so far from necessary there is no excuse. I would like to pressure this guy more because he's either a dangerous townie or scum.

See? I broke down how yo'uve played through my perspective, I told a little bit about what you've done that's caught my attention and then said

how I felt about it and you are a player in this game pertaining to your alignment

. That's what i'd like you to do, it's a great way to clear your name of suspicion too sometimes.

[White]

Understandable misunderstanding.

If you hammer on page 3, even if Corn is scum (as I suspect) you still ruin chances for us to see him point out teammates. It's perfectly legit for a scumbuddy to quickhammer bus Corn and end up looking clean because of it.

I'm not defending Corn, i'm saying I don't want a hammer on page 4 because then we're no better off than we started save having 1 less scum. I don't think he's town, I think he's scum, as evidenced by my very next sentence which you ignored.

Nice try though.

[White]

Analogy: You capture an enemy. Your suggestion would be to kill him immediately, take no prisoners. My attempt is to interrogate the prisoner and find out who he's working for and with.

I'm not at all ready to lynch him, i'm ready to get more information out of him. Think about it though, how sure can I be about his alignment on page 4?

[White]

I'm defensive? Uh....ok?

[White]

Because if we lynch you today and you turn up town due to a quicklynch, then we lynch the scum that hammered you we are down an innocent (lynch) innocent (nk) scum (lynch) innocent (nk). That's 3 innocents for 1 scum. I'd much rather lynch correctly today and then again tomorrow when you tell us who your scumbuddies are.

Btw, your suspicion of me is OMGUS. Last game I played where I pressed hard for a lynch on Day1 and the person OMGUS'd me, was scum.

If your main suspect is me....why are you voting killerbob?

[White]

Every time one person mentions even the possibility of you being scum, you address it directly almost immediately. It is definitely defensive.

Ok, so what would you suggest? Ignoring them? Evading the question? Answering in a very roundabout cicular reasoning post? I think addressing the concern head on is the most effective method at my disposal. I am on here too much, I like to be active.

[White]

Quotes?

[White]

You'll thank me for giving you practice to present a case. I await!

Mean....you do realize that we've kinda left the random voting stage right?

[White]

For the third time, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SCUM, I THINK YOU'RE BEING DEFENSIVE. Thank you for proving me right on the latter.

I looked over my post and I don't see a shred of defensiveness in there. I actually see some casuality. Btw, why are you using all caps? My main thing with you is that I don't feel like i'm being defensive and i'm asking you to back up your claims and you either aren't or can't. I'd like to believe the former but that opinion is up for debate.

Please show me where i've been defensive.

Max, if you're going to accuse someone of being scum, least you can do is say you're going off of gut in the same post. You're not looking too hot.

[White]

So you're going off of Corn's OMGUS and Mean's blatent noncontribution?

[White]

124 looks terribly like damage control. Not liking it.

Lemming in 129 looks hasty. Not liking either of these at the moment.

Here's what i'm going to do for now.

Unvote, vote Mr Mean

Keep in mind i'm very ready to put my vote back on Corn but I want to see some pressure put here. Seems Mean has slid under the radar today.

[White]

The general consensus among the great hitters of our time is that lurking is NOT a playstyle.

[White]

Can you clarify what you mean by that? Just that Cornelius is most likely to be genuinely too busy to post to defend himself rather than lying low?

Sure I can clarify. Many people, when scum, decide to lurk and call it their playstyle so that they don't receive flak from it. Look at Jdodge, he lurks, don't contribute and generally doesn't do anything protown and calls it a playstyle. It's not. Lurking is not a playstyle. It's a scummy actions.

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Which is why it's a good thing we're not discussing it. I simply used it as a point of reference (he's told me btw, lurking is a key part of it) and that's all. I'm not bashing or anything. I can see how what I said did come across that way, so that would be my fault. Sorry.

[White]

I think we've got a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him and i'd also really like more participation from Mean. (not sure if it was directed toward me)

[White]

Corn, you just OMGUS'd me again. You didn't present any case against me. Your whole theory that i'm scum is because I suggested a protown manuever? Honestly I think it's much more likely that a town manuever came from a town person. You are right though, there is a chance that it came from a mafia and it is true that mafia have done it in the past. But saying i'm scum because I did something that would be much more likely for a town to do BUT A SCUM MIGHT DO IT TOO is pretty far fetched.

Why, in the world, did you claim on past 6?

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I'll hammer in a minute, just want 2 more things from Corn.

1! I want you to answer why you claimed on post 6.

2 and most importantly! I want your opinions of EVERYONE. Ie. White has been pushing my lynch this whole day, he's been over aggresive and seems really really scummy to me.

Don't use that btw, use your own words.

[White]

There are 25 posts per page. When the page get's to 24 or so the mod can just put a "Shameless filler post" up and quickly throw up the vote count at the top of the page. When i'm modding i'll just be doing the mod editing.

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I've fallen into that before and just said, "Heck with this, vote ****" and then I got jumped on the next day. No i'm going to be true to my word and give him time to answer my questions. We also need as much info about who he thinks is scummy and town for tomorrow.

Corn, if you really are town, this is your chance to give your last words and help guide us to the scum.

[White]

Ok, i'm giving Corn 30 hours before I hammer him. Starting now. There's no way i'll hold up this thread because someone stops caring enough post.

[White]

Fine, if you really are town, you had your chance to help us out with your list of suspicion but instead you continue to be anti town.

Unvote, Vote Cornelius

[White]

Well, there's nothing in the rules saying we can't talk during twilight. If I get killed tonight my LoS is as follows:

Mean
CP
Boing
d3sisted
killerbob
max, Neraren,Skitzer, Lemming, Zeppo (little to no read)

[White]

Time to reread.

[White]

Yay! PBPA of Mr. Mean!

Grand total of 3 posts.

Vote: lemming

Generic random vote minus the flavor.

unvote, vote white

He is to defensive...

I wasn't even being attacked...I wasn't being defensive...can you contribute to the thread please?

The thread's 4 1/2 pages, man. Go look.

Yes...you do not like him, do you... how about you vote to linch him? USE YOUR ANGER!

Wow...ok?

I can't tell if this guy is real or just an alt of someone that doesn't like me (there are plenty). Either way I do believe this guy needs some pressure.

Vote: Mr Mean

[White]

No kidding. What a shocker. I thought it would be you or Max, since they have had prominent roles in this game.

Why does this sound insincere?

[White]

You really think I'm serious why would I say I've found 2 scum day 1 if I was scum. Of course I could be wifoming you. It's similar to a random vote apart from I truely do think one/both of them is/are mafia.

Still feel that way?

Vote: Cornelius.

If you're not mafia, then you're insane, and Max is right. But I dislike Max's suspicions... it makes ME suspicious.

What type of bizarre logic is this?! Nice bandwagon vote and lack of original ideas.

Neraren brings up a point that I don't agree with but I think I blew it out of proportions. I think this also distracted him from actually hunting scum so i'm going to give him a new chance today so don't waste it. No FoS.

Skitzer is completely worthless so far throughout the ENTIRE THREAD. This needs some pressure. If nothing materializes with Mean this is where my vote is going.

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That's fine, I don't mind being scrutinized.

CP, i've found a disappointing trend in that I end up hammering a lot. I like to have closing suspicions before hammering so we can find scumbuddies afterward. I have also noticed that I tend to get cold feet about a lynch when i'm about to hammer scum or town(revealed after hammer).

Just as a thought but the scum could be letting me live because i'm not even suspecting them and would just take my overagressiveness in the wrong direction away from the scum. I am surprised i'm alive right now too.

[White]

Ok, thanks Mean for the content. To address some of your points.

Some people say that I have been lurking alot so I must be scum. I am lurking because it is my first game and I don't know why lurking would make me a scum.

You have been lurking. The reason lurking is scummy is because you're not helping the town. More like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You're not the enemy of my enemy so you're not my friend. You could also say it as you're not being protown and the absence of protown = anti town. Anti town is most of the time called scummy.

Secondly, I voted for white day one. I don't think that he is scum.

If you don't think i'm scum, why'd you vote me and try to drum up other people's votes on me?

I think he was just a litlle to vocal for my taste and scared me off a bit.

Sorry about that.

Finally, I would like to share my vote. vote: competentpsycho I realy don't have any other suspitions but him right now.

Ok, your post has been good all except that it's missing one thing. Reasoning behind it. Back up your statements with examples of where they did this, break it apart like i'm doing by using the quote tags. Tell us why you find him suspicious, show us where you found him suspicious. Present cases. It's vital.

Is he bread crumbing.

*pulls hair out* DUDE!!!! You should SO know better than to point out what may be breadcrumbing. Why in the HELL are you trying to direct the scum to a breadcrumbing power role?! You doofus!

FoS Max

for blatently leading the scum.

I can't understand why scum would want White dead either he's contributing

Because i'm loud and make noise. Which means if I actually pick up on scum today i'll be loud and generally be a pest. And on the unlucky chance i'm in a good mood i'll present a case. Or many cases. But I will be agressive and scum don't like agressive people.

Most people can't get a read on him, he's unreadable of another extreme and I thought I was unreadable. If anyone tries to get a lynch on white they're most probably scum, In this rare instance I have trust in another player the unreadability is not bad.

Actually the general concensus from "most people" is that i'm scum or pesky. Obviously I can't be scum in every game so I just take it that i'm pesky.

Just so you know, trusting someone that you don't have a read on is almost as bad as trusting someone you have a scum read on. Don't trust someone ever in this game. But if you are going to trust someone, trust someone you're getting townie vibes from. Not an unreadable.

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Bah EBWOP:

In addition, from your perspective, Max, that if anyone goes and tries to get me lynched you'll see them as scum, that is exactly why scum would want to nk me. So that they can have me dead without the suspicion of a lynch.

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No, I didn't say anyone that tries to lynch me is scum from my perspective. I said if we followed Max's train of thought that anyone trying to lynch me is scum, yada yada yada.

Skitzer's "I agree, vote ****" is noted.

[White]

It means you're still not actually scumhunting. You're taking other people's ideas and saying, "Yup, I agree" and wagoning.

Coming from you and my unique ability to meta you from like 3-4 ongoing games I can't know (because your alignment isn't known) whether it's a scum tell, town tell or null tell. So i'm just noting it for future reference.

[White]

Then read the thread more carefully.

[White]

Sorry again. No excuse.

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d3sisted, I don't think you've given a case against Neraren, i'm all ears.

[White]

Hey nice, i'm in neither list!

[White]

My opinion of the d3/cp thing.

CP is going off the deep end and seems to be having a fit of some sort.
d3 needs a lot of effort to actually get him to cooperate.

[White]

You do realize that most of the people you're going to be giving hell to are just townies right?

[White]

Alright CP, let me try. First opinions without doing an isolatoin read through on you is that your temper kinda goes all over the place as was demonstrated earlier. However despite some people saying you're making no sense I feel most (not all) of your posts have been coherent and don't seem faked. Your emotional display earlier did not look faked at all. It didn't look justified, but it didn't look fake.

As for town or scum? That'll require an isolation read through which i'll try to get done tonight. It won't be a pbpa, just a read through of you. I would just like to remind you that though it's entirely possible, the two main suspects of yours have the "Townsperson" title under their name. Which means you may be mistaking newbieness for scumminess. Just a caution, take it as you will.

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d3sisted, read the post next time, that's not at all what he's saying.

[White]

Alright, reread ya and you're not acting like you did when you were scum. In addition you actually seem to be participating and trying to get conversation flowing. Leaning town.

I don't like how you said you were going to look into d3sisted if corn came up scum and now you're suspicious of him after corn came up town. You also made a post earlier saying you were on the fence about Mean and leaning town but now you see him as definitely scum. What changed?

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I don't understand why i'm unreadable, bleh.

D3sisted, being a jerk is not a compliment. I did read your post, it's...WRONG.

[White]

No, YOU read the post. He is calling me on being "aggressive" hence "clouding my judgment". Go through my points in 220

I did read the post, which is how I could say that you were wrong. Then you directed me to post 220 which is yours and I said I did read your post and it's wrong.

lrn 2 b rite

[White]

Wow guys, great stuff, keep it up. Sorry I disappeared, RL got hectic. Ok, i'm caught up but I like this game so i'll do more reading later.

I don't agree with the Mean analysis, mean has been lurking, not contributing and generally made more assumptions than logic. I'm happy with my vote on him.

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Boing, this is d3sisted's playstyle. He is deliberately unhelpful so that when he's scum we can't tell. Correct me if i'm wrong d3sisted.