Blitz 26: Maintaining Law, Order... (Game Over)

[lane0168]

VOTE: titus

Wait... Ok no ika... This is fine.

Feel free to target me all you Townies. I'm a safe pick. You will not die!

[lane0168]

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Lynching this fencesitter might be the better play.

@pisskop, why are you afraid to take a stance on titus? Scumbuddy?

[lane0168]

Pisskops more recent posts are better. Slight town lean there now

[lane0168]

BIG PROPOSAL:

Everyone announces their target going into night. This limits scum's options. If they activate their PGO, we'll have a fairly good idea of where they shot, or didn't shoot. There can be a false positive, or scum wifoming and trying to create a false positive, but we can use our intuition for this, especially if the jailkeepers also do this.

I will target: lane.

{Dwlee}
{GuiltyLion, pisskop, Lucky2u}
{lane}
{Titus}

Not voting yet.

Isn't it a little early for this? I mean i for one will be getting reads before I decide who I will target. I'm not going to be stuck targeting my top scum read.

Why would you want to target your slight scum lean? Or is that null?

[lane0168]

No, the obvious reason, as Almost explained, is that it's reckless to put someone at L-1 in RVS. You could get a derphammer, or a scum hammer disguised as such.

VOTE: Dwlee

Have you ever seen that happen before?

[lane0168]

Can anyone point me to a game where someone got hammered by sometime on accident?

[lane0168]

In the first couple pages

[lane0168]

Yeah almost thought process seems town. It's good, except the wifom when scum don't arm at all.

[lane0168]

VOTE: lane

You're usually scum so...

WRONG!

[lane0168]

VOTE: pignash

If we're going to use the setup to try to indicate scum, the way to do it is to target randomly. Since roles were assigned randomly, the player list is in effect random. We target the player below N1, then the player above N2. That way if there are two or more kills in a night, scum are narrowed down. There are also some downsides to this but I have to leave for work, will discuss them later.

I think this is the best play of any. Then we ask who veered from the plan day two. And why. That way we know who didn't actually get targeted. Best case scenario... Scum use pgo. We know who they are. Worst case scenario too many people deviate and we're back to good old fashioned scum hunting. If town actually do the plan, besides probably lucky cop and jail keeper, it should keep night kills to a minimum. 3 at most with scum found. And 0 at least, with 1 scum found.

[lane0168]

Or choose who you want to target. Up 1 or down 1. For the people that don't like to be told what to do.

Moving on to scum hunting

[lane0168]

Have you ever seen that happen before?

No...and? I don't need to see something happen to recognize the potential danger. Further, I said that doing so is reckless. Both town and scum can be reckless. The reason for my vote is Dwlee's response. If he had said

I wanted to see if Ranger would really put someone at L-1 so early

, or

I wanted to see Titus's reaction to an early L-1

, that would have indicated a town mindset. But, he said he did it just "for lolz," and that's not a town reason.

p-edit @ pisskop: see above.

I know you unvoted. But why not? Why isn't it for funny? You now think it's a town reason?

[lane0168]

@lane: Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it cannot happen, and just because I/you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't happen. Better safe than sorry, so let's not be reckless/careless.

I ask because no one ever does this. A hammer would be scum claim to be. There's no way id let someone convince me it was on accident.

Considering the fact that it almost never happens and ika is not in the game, the concern seemed overstated as pisskop pointed out, and that's why I asked.

I don't know what to make of Persy being worried about something that never happens, voting dwell for his scum reasons to ask ranger about the wagon, and then putting dwell in his town reads.

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

I like that Dwlee is questioning others rather than trying to draw me into a 1v1.

Dwlee, Almost, lane are various degrees of townish. Need more activity from everyone else.

Would you have kept your vote there if he wanted to argue with you? Why? I don't think that would have been scummy imo

[lane0168]

VOTE: Lucky

Yeah, I am not laughing.

V/LA today.

VOTE: Almost50

No lynch D1? You can fry.

Why so serious?

And did you read his post? Or were you just skimming looking for something to call scummy and latch on? It was pretty obvious that a no lynch is best play in the game plan he was suggesting...

The game plan that he was suggesting as an option... And you want to lunch him for it? That's silly. And scummy

[lane0168]

True. But for me, how did that turn out? Lol I only wanted to do that because I get in 1v1s as town and generally do look good and the other gets lynched many times if I actually am town. I can't do it as scum, because I can't find genuine shit to attack them for.

So I'm not feeling like it's town or scum for dwell to do it or not do it. If you believe it that's cool. I asked you about it to see if I could get a feel of you believing, or looking for a reason to unvote.

Your explanation seems legit

[lane0168]

Or choose who you want to target. Up 1 or down 1. For the people that don't like to be told what to do.

If people don't announce, we don't get info from the kills. If they do announce, and by some going up and others going down on the same target (that didn't come out right ), we risk excessive kills. It should be everyone goes the same direction N1, then everyone goes the other direction N2 so PRs get fresh targets.

True, but 1 in 16 chance 4 people die, assuming both scum activate. Good odds I think. And no risk if they don't. It leaves at least a bit of uncertainty for scum.

Scum can't kill someone to instigate wifom really... But that will be up to analysis after the deaths and who everyone actually targeted.

Low risk. High reward?

[lane0168]

Low risk meaning unlikely scum instant win. A chance of be willing to take. The thing is with no claim at all, we have absolutely no clue who died for what reason. And the only good thing is that hopefully they target their town read, are right.

[lane0168]

Ranger. This is how I post. Stop trying to meta me.

As town or scum?

[lane0168]

Looks like it's going to come down to a random lynch at this rate

[lane0168]

Jk jail keeps whoever they want in 1up 1down. Figured that would be obvious considering its a power role. And why would we inhibit the actions of a power role? Jail keeper probably won't even jail keep tonight. Not worth the risk

[lane0168]

Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah that's a better play lol

[lane0168]

Last time I saw a self vote it was scum. But in RVS. Either way I hate it

[lane0168]

Lucky's ISO is basically:

We should scum hunt instead of trying to break the setup

, followed by little or no actual scum hunting.

VOTE: Lucky

Yup. Been picking up on that for sure. Was kinda laying low to see if he was actually going to set in motion operation scum hunt. He hasn't

[lane0168]

My advice. Decide to visit up or down. At least that way when you die we can narrow it down SOMEWHAT.

[lane0168]

As you'll notice, I haven't voted you. Cause I agree that theres minimal shit to go off of when everyone is talking about what we should do at night

[lane0168]

pignash has been prodded.

I was scum with pignash in a newbie game and he was mostly inactive. I was waiting to give him time to post and for a while it looked like he would be active, but now he's back to lurking. Not a good sign.

Yup. Lurked as scum in our recent game too. Not sure who I want to vote. I'll just have whoever is next on l-1. Pretty ok with titus lynch. Almost seems town to me. Pignash is lurky and he for sure does that as scum. Lucky doesn't have much to like.

There's not a whole lot of Town or scum looking content out right now

[lane0168]

Well that's not very fun. I also forgot about the guessing words until like 30 minutes ago, lol so that's not fun either

[lane0168]

Why are you voting titus instead of almost dwee?

Reading through Titus iso and Titus wagon makes no sense, but thanks for trying to make it happen. You can unvote him now.

Hmmm. I think I'll start here today

VOTE: lucky

[lane0168]

VOTE: titus

lol wagons for the win?

Forgot this gem hopping on the wagon right away.

[lane0168]

Btw, I visited guilty last night.

Think we should claim so we know who else got targeted, but I'm assuming everyone targeted guilty

[lane0168]

Well that's not very fun. I also forgot about the guessing words until like 30 minutes ago, lol so that's not fun either

Haha! Wrong game. I'm confused

[lane0168]

So modkill him, I captured it.

What is going on here?

[lane0168]

Fuck I forgot to pick a visit.

Then it was random.

[lane0168]

Scum piggy has historically lurked

Yes. True.

@guilty idk if that's both scum or titus looking for
A friend

[lane0168]

Ask the mod

[lane0168]

wait I'm dumb, I might have been jailed

Actually; I would've done just that if I was the JK. No need to lose the cop whether it be for the PGO or the factional kill, and you were the obvious target.

I think that's most likely. Options are 8 alive today with no result, or 7 alive today with no result

[lane0168]

Basically going forward we have guilty as a safe target the rest of the game

[lane0168]

Whelp I was wrong and look scum now. Meh. Chances of us losing have dropped drastically so whatever gets us to the win.

VOTE: pignash

Have you given up your almost scum read? Or just voting the majority

[lane0168]

If you didn't think I was scum before, get ready for this:

I also forgot to submit a target. Checking with the mod to see who that means I visited.

Lol well that's 2 of you, so statistics show that's a null tell

[lane0168]

Are we helping scum to narrow down the possible JKs by claiming targets?

I figured guilty was the obvious choice considering cop and we didn't come up with actual plan consensus

[lane0168]

Well 2 options.

Jk targeted scum. Or jk, me and scum targeted guilty.

I don't think jk targeted scum though for fear of pgo

[lane0168]

Which means it's rather stop claiming so we don't out jk

[lane0168]

Or jk lies

[lane0168]

Good. Now do you guys prefer to try and think it over or would you rather a no-brainer quick lynch? Bc -obviously- if we choose the latter then we vote pignash & get it over with. If we opt for the former though we need to create some discussion.

P-edit: THAT is what I'm getting at. Only the JK WILL tell us a lie, and only them will know it.

Well, considering I was actually thinking the exact same thing but deleted what I wrote...

VOTE: pignash

[lane0168]

He doesn't like posting as scum. Lucky tomorrow I think.

If that doesn't work, we'll have some more work to do

[lane0168]

Why. Why do you think Persivul?

[lane0168]

I didnt read. But its too easy

It was too easy last time I played with him. And he was scum. You said it yourself he lurks as scum

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

[lane0168]

no

[lane0168]

VOTE: pignash

[lane0168]

There really isn't... A lot of talk about setup. If we lynch lucky tomorrow, I'm hammer

[lane0168]

Should be able to ride the guilty target forever. For ever. For ev errrrrr

[lane0168]

VOTE: lucky

Go go go! If I'm wrong again we'll spend more time talking tomorrow

[lane0168]

I spose we can wait for guilty.

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

No I'm torn

[lane0168]

I never changed my mind about voting. I just unvoted to Fuck with you. I'm not scum you fool

[lane0168]

Why would scum no kill. Let's answer that question first

[lane0168]

And who did guilty target. Let's answer that as well

[lane0168]

You're not a fool. That was for pk

[lane0168]

I got no result, which means I was probably jailed again

There really isn't... A lot of talk about setup.

If we lynch lucky tomorrow

, I'm hammer

what do we think of this phrasing here

Lol @ no result. Great minds

[lane0168]

@lucky, if not me, then who?

@ranger, who would scum Persivul target?

@guilty, who will you target tonight? And why not vote your target from last night?

[lane0168]

Ranger reads me correctly about 23% of the time - i.e., she scum reads me every game. As she said in 101: "And Persivul...well, he's just always scum." Meanwhile, she's made all of 12 posts and does nothing that gives us reads on her. She needs to be watched herself, but for today the best vote is still:

VOTE: Lucky

Why do you want lucky dead?

[lane0168]

I got no result, which means I was probably jailed again

There really isn't... A lot of talk about setup.

If we lynch lucky tomorrow

, I'm hammer

what do we think of this phrasing here

If you didn't get jailed, what do you think of the no kill? That jail keeper got lucky and got the scum. Or unlucky and blocked the kill and result?

[lane0168]

Probably Lane. He is much more angry as town and doesn't seem to be playing that way. Too manipulitive.

LOL ninja by Lane to vote me. Ok Lane. Me first you second.

What about this post? Does this seem like scum?

[lane0168]

Particularly the "me first you second" of he's first and scum its over. I understand he can say that as scum, but the way he put it seems matter of fact, and not flailing like "hey everyone! After you lunch me lynch lane!" as in not pleading with town to find him to be town.

I believe hes right though about be, I get loud as town, but not until people try to force a terrible case on me, which hasn't happened yet.

[lane0168]

Mmm no. Probably not.

[lane0168]

How do you feel about what ranger said about you?

[lane0168]

Really wish people would show up

[lane0168]

As far as interaction with titus goes, I didn't see much of a difference between you and lucky

[lane0168]

As far as interaction with titus goes, I didn't see much of a difference between you and lucky

Really? Not much of a difference?

Nope. Besides you hopping on the early lol wagon. You both didn't want her lynched

[lane0168]

How did ranger get to good as confirmed town?

[lane0168]

Her reads are awesomesauce.

So true

[lane0168]

Ranger? No. Sarcasm. But I guess I didn't realize she got titus lynched. So now so true is true, and pretty much confirmed town lol. Now I know where the almost statement came from

[lane0168]

So true came from her Persivul read that looked mediocre at best

[lane0168]

Pers is probably town btw.

Yeah but, if not me then who?

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

Actually I have a new theory...

And that is?

[lane0168]

Lol yeah buddy!

[lane0168]

Not if there's nothing good to move it to

[lane0168]

Can we wait for guilty to weigh in if he wants please.

[lane0168]

Son of a

[lane0168]

@mod, can we hold the deadline at 24 hours until we get a replacement?

If it gets to that point

[lane0168]

@guilty, who will you target tonight? And why not vote your target from last night?

I don't see an advantage in announcing who I target anymore, either I'm JK'd and it doesn't matter or it lets scum know if they can use their PGO and use the NK on somebody else

I targeted you last night but got no result

How sure are you about targeting me and getting no result?

[lane0168]

Yes please

[lane0168]

Nvmd. I'm being dumb

[lane0168]

Just hold up on Persivul for a sec... I think I got something

[lane0168]

Ok let's vote Persivul

[lane0168]

How did I get into that category then?

[lane0168]

Pisskop makes no sense

[lane0168]

So where were we? Lynching Persivul?

[lane0168]

Persivul, who do you think is scum? Why haven't you voted anyone?

[lane0168]

Persivul. Can get a quick reads list please?

[lane0168]

VOTE: persivul then

[lane0168]

Wtf... Lol... Ok. Karnage is ranger alt. Only explanation for the perfect game. Or maybe just the perks of seeing titus Persy team before

[lane0168]

Yeah no worries mate, although you got my hopes up that I blocked a kill by switching off guilty!

@persivul, why did you go for guilty again? Didn't you think I would jk him again?

[lane0168]

Thought I was brilliant for a second

[lane0168]

Ha! Sorry! You defended titus and scum I thought was on the lol wagon in the beginning! What do you want from me?! I'm not ranger god!

[lane0168]

MOAR BLITZES!

[lane0168]

If it makes you feel any better, I unvoted you and started looking for people that would want to kill you.

[lane0168]

So I fucked up last night and misread lane's PM for his night action. he wanted to JK lucky and I put it down as guilty. Guilty should have been killed.

That's exactly what I figured. Well, not the GL kill, but that lane was the JK. GL said he got no result when targeting lane, and lane sounded genuinely shocked (bc he obviously did NOT block GL).

I don't think it would have changed much though bc:

RANGER IS AWESOME

Lol yeah I was Way obvious. That was dumb.