Open 46 - Strawberry (Game Over!), before 508

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I'm guessing overexcited town, but it may be an elaborate ploy by mafia :ninja:

Jokes aside,

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

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vote hmrox

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Edit by way of post. Because we are forbidden from editing past posts, we must resort to EBWOP to change mistakes and whatnot.

unvote

Let's see what we've got: Boing, Zeppo, and White on an early Cornelius wagon, as well as competentpsycho jumping from killerbob wagon onto lemming wagon.

Not much, but meh.

vote: competentpsycho

As for the early claim thing, I'm not really putting too much emphasis on it, but it's worth noting.

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It's a bit of a stretch for me to call it that really, as 2 votes make not a wagon.

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I don't like erg0s last post very scummy

Me neither. I suggest we lynch him ASAP because he is most likely scum.

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How did you come to that conclusion.

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The overly-defensive/page-1 claim is just him being newbish. Cut him some slack. It's hardly a scumtell.

I would much rather go for the people trying to get a lynch on Cornelius: Boing, Zeppo, White, Lemming1607, skitzer.

Hey guys, Corn is at -2. It's page 3,

you hammer you die.

We need info out of today, give Corn time to show us his teammates.

Corn, gives us a list of your suspicions and tell us who you find is most suspicious, who you think is most likely to be town and all that jazz. And don't give me some BS about it only being page 4.

How can you be so sure that he'll come up town? And if you really are so certain, why are you voting him?
It also looks to me like pre-emptive threatening to stop potential Cornelius hammahs. Seems like he's trying to go with the town's flow, while simultaneously defend Cornelius. And I'm not liking it.

unvote; vote: white

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If you really thought he was scum, you wouldn't have minded him getting hammered P3. Otherwise, you wouldn't say you think he's scum if you're not ready to commit.

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So I guess what you're saying is this boils down to a playstyle issue.

Fair enough.

Unvote

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He is currently at L-3 I believe.

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The implication with 'being defensive' is that it is something scum would do, so by saying he is 'being defensive' we can only infer that you accuse him of being scum. Likewise, there's no reason to accuse him of being defensive if you aren't also insinuating he is mafia.

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I have a hard time believing, Max, that your original random vote was definitive enough to target scum so confidently. I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, but if that's how you roll, so be it.

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Mod: a prod on cornelius please?

If he's responding to prods and intentionally lurking, we lynch. If he's inactive, we replace.

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JDodge's style is extremely cryptic. If you're going to play mafiascum with him, you'd better accept this fast.

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...That's it?

Well that was certainly very anticlimactic.

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Yeah, I've heard that one so many times.

Unvote; vote: cornelius

L-1 guys.

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Well to be fair, he is in immediate danger of a lynch, so a claim is justified. It's just that the "I don't care if I'm lynched, I'm town so it's your loss if you vote me" shit doesn't phase.

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How do you manage to always get that first post of the page?!

MOD SEZ

I'm a bot.

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Yeah, the mod editing seems a lot more easier... I understand the 25 post thing, but what Erg0 is doing requires constant surveillance of the thread, which in itself is quite impressive. Notice that he hasn't being doing shameless filler posts either.

Anyway, back to the game... just lynch Cornelius and get it over with. If he were really pro-town, he'd have bothered to at least defend himself and guide town from a mislynch.

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Claiming at page 1 is just shameful. We ought to lynch whoever attempts that kind of crap.

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That's because my vote is already on him, what else can I do but rally everyone else to vote?

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Right now I'm quite suspicious of Neraren. He slipped by Day 1 without voting at all. Not only that, but he has failed to name any susicions. Looks to me like he's trying to keep an extremely low profile, and I'm not liking the looks of that.

Vote: Neraren

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His commitment to moderating is very win.

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Ok, so last game I played I was scum with White. He acted EXACTLY the same as he is now, which made me suspicious of him. I then went and searched out his other games and it seems he acts this way when scum and not as townie. Specifically, I have seen the giving an ultimatum before rather than hammering in the hopes that someone else will hammer to take suspicion off of him.

FOS: White

Can you link us the game?

Since we need 6 votes to lynch and there is only 7 townies left... that means we basically need 6 of 7 townies to vote on a scum, since I doubt any scum will vote for their scumbuddies, unless they are going to sacrifice one, but we would have to have a bandwagon on one to get them to do that anyway. We NEED to make sure we have the right guy this time.

You forget bussing scum.

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"I WILL VOTE MY SCUMBUDDY TO MAKE MYSELF LOOK LIKE A TOWN!!! LOLZ!!"

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But seriously though. [link]http://www. ... ?title=Bus

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EBWOP: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus

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That smells of OMGUS.

Besides, Neraren is the lynch for today.

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Holy shit do you not read the posts at all. <snip>

hypocrite

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I did explain. Read the fucking thread.

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Also, can you explain your case against Neraren finally?

I did explain. Read the fucking thread.

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@competentpsycho: I have no qualms with his activity. Rather, he has been lurking in plain sight, posting without material.

Don't give me that crap about inconclusive evidence. If he was town, he would not be afraid to come out and throw down some suspicions, trigger some responses and whatnot. In my experience, the tentative ones often come out scum.

I was silent before because your questions were already answered. You just failed to read the thread, and that's not my problem.

I also find it funny how you say you can make a better case on someone else, when the entirety of your case on skitzer is based on theory and inapplicable to the reality of the game, as I will proceed to explain. Just keep in mind that because this deals with scum and such, it is entirely wifom and I am aware of that.

There are 3 scum left and only 7 townies. 6 votes to lynch. Therefore, if you start a bandwagon then the mafia can finish it with only 3 votes from actual townies.

NEVER will all members of a scum team so blatantly pile on for the quicklynch. In theory they could do that, but in reality it just doesn't happen. Scum are not stupid, they play smart.

Make sure to make your own decision. Again, DO NOT BANDWAGON. It is true we need 6 of 7 townies to vote for scum, but if we start a bandwagon on someone random it is a 70 % chance it is a townie.

Percentages rarely apply in these situations. The only time it does is when the target was picked by random. When you factor in the presence of alliances, external influences, informed judgements, etc, it could range from something like 20% - 99%.

The fact that you just went with a bandwagon on me from Mean's no explanation vote (YOU STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN MR MEAN) makes me think you and mean are scum.

Bandwagons do not mean scum team.

Additionally, be careful with your votes until you are sure that person is scum, as half the votes needed to lynch can come from scum. Use FOS's.

Negative. Votes apply pressure. FoS's do not.

Max's breadcrumbs things made no sense to me until I tried looking at it from the point of view that he is scum. If he was scum then this post would be protecting skitz by aluding that he has a power role. Therefore that he was town.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Can you please point out how Max is breadcrumbing?

In addition he makes the statement that he is suspicious of skitz, thus trying to distance himself from skitz, but not voting so as to not endanger skitz.

Just a post ago, you were telling people not to vote and use FoS instead. This is the epitome of hypocrisy, and it tempts me to

FoS

you.

Maybe I am missing something here (in that case please spell it out for me) but I am pretty sure these are our 3 scum at this point.

So rather than attack the 3 that you are pretty sure are our 3 scum, you choose to attack me. Hum.

Preview edit: Good to see you are here, Neraren. Once you've got a reread down, can you give us your list of suspicions?

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It is not OMGUS - I don't mind votes on me with valid reasons. Twisting my words around and then being a hypocrite and not giving a reason are different stories. The former is VERY scummy and the latter is completely useless to the town, and likely scummy. Combined with no vote in the middle these seem linked and therefore even scummier. If they did this to someone else I would feel the same way. I don't OMGUS after random voting stage - it just takes away from the search for scum by wasting a vote on someone that doesn't necessarily deserve it and is a problem for giving scum a chance to get a townie lynched. I am quite serious about this vote and statement as to who is scum.

I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that you voted/FoS'd the only two players on your wagon without doing OMGUS.

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I'll give em hell before I cooperate.

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competentpsycho called me out, so I responded. I brought my case to the table, threw down an FoS, and that's the end of it. You on the other hand are essentially voting me because I FoS'd someone I found suspicious after having laid relevant evidence and justification. And you're telling me my judgment is clouded? Get your story straight, please.

Currently I am waiting for neraren to say something. I'll see where it goes from there.

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No, YOU read the post. He is calling me on being "aggressive" hence "clouding my judgment". Go through my points in 220, you'll find that everything there holds true, without the usual adhoms and whatnot. That post is about as level-headed as you'll ever find me on mafiascum.

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Desisted - I am not saying your judgement is clouded, just that you seem very anti-town from your actions. Could be your playstyle is just to be an asshole to people. You seem hard to read because of this. Either way your actions do not benefit the town when you act like this.

Dood, the cloudy judgment thing was in response to Boing. As for my playstyle, yeah, I like to stick my neck out.

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His post, not mine foo.

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Then stop being the hypocrite and point out how it's "WRONG".

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As much as I want Neraren to talk, I found that move incredibly scummy.

Unvote; vote skitzer

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What does everyone think of this:

Mr. Mean- first posts are short and mainly votes, but begins to explain more as game progresses. A bunch of it is good points, most likely Pro-town.

Neraren- explains a lot. Nothing about Neraren stands out, which is maybe a slght case of pseudolurking…not suspicious.

I especially don't agree on Mr. Mean's analysis.

Yeah, I disagree with the neraren part.

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Good idea. Let's lynch skitzer today, and we'll deal with Neraren or Mr. Mean tomorrow.

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LOL. 4 players consecutively used the same overeagerness argument.

Boing, this is d3sisted's playstyle. He is deliberately unhelpful so that when he's scum we can't tell. Correct me if i'm wrong d3sisted.

Partly. To be honest, I really just want rapid game progression. I've also found out that short, blunt statements like that are really helpful in stirring up controversy and gauging reactions. But one thing is for certain, as you say, it all boils down to a playstyle.

d3sisted, you could be right about Neraren and skitz is trying to protect his scum buddies here. On the other hand, he knows we are on to him and Mean, so he could be saying that to throw us off of his last scum partner. I suppose cop investigations could show who the third one is by the time we reach that, but it looks like we have two scum lynches lined up before that.

Are you the cop?
Anyway, People are upset about someone saying that I am a pro-town. I don't see whats wrong with that. I would like someone to make a list of my scumy actions so I can debunk them.

Your phishing is unwelcome here.

FoS Mr Mean

At this point, I'd like to see some more pressure on Neraren.

Unvote; Vote: Neraren

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For humour's sake, Neraren, admit that you're noob, then point out he joined on the same date as you.

Other than that, I fully agree with what Zeppo has said there. My original vote was on Neraren for being too conservative with his suspicions/votes, until his V/LA post at which point I tentatively backed off. As you have done nothing to assuage this, I am compelled to

Unvote; Vote Neraren

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Sorry guys, but it's been a hectic week here, I'll try to get more out by Tuesday night.

Neraren, I think you're misconstruing CP here. I don't think he's telling you to vote for who he thinks is scum, rather who you think is scum.

Wow, I am voting for skitz. Yet instead of voting for zeppo who did vote for you, you again choose me.

So you would rather he do a useless OMGUS than vote for who he thinks is scum?

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Actually I'm from one of the Farmingtons in Wisconsin. Kinda like Springfield, it seems like every state has at least one.

Here's a synopsis of skitzer's actions, I'm not going to quote from 1000 posts because it takes too long and no one will read it. Open another tab and load up "All posts by skitzer" if you want to follow along:

Skitzer was way too opportunistic on the Cornelius wagon, made a weirdo comment about who he thought the NK should have been, jumped his vote around like a rabbit on meth, made a long analysis post in which he busses one scum buddy and promotes the other one as pro-town, continues with the vote hopping, offers weak response to strong arguments from CP, and finishes it off with an appeal to emotion.

As I was reading the thread he just jumped out at me as the scummiest, and I am usually right when someone grabs my attention like that.

IMO, vote jumping shouldn't be used as a scumtell. Wishy-washy maybe, but those that are really eccentric in their voting patterns hardly ever come up scum. However, I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis on a skitz/Mean pairing. However, if skitz comes up town (which I am still considering) I think it is less likely Mean is scum.

And skitzer, for some reason, I see your most recent posts as acceptance of defeat.

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Yeah, everyone makes mistakes. Your mistake was allowing yourself to slip up, and consequently letting your scum buddies down.

Unvote; Vote Skitzer

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DS, Zeppo, Boing, that's some opportunism right there.

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No, he's telling you to claim cop, then claim your guity result on me so that when i get lynched and revealed town, you will get lynched shortly after. Simple.

But seriously here. Trying to hint cop with a guilty result on me when I am town?

Unvote; Vote Mr. Mean

@DS: I guess Zeppo and Boing's vote moreso than yours.

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He voted competentpsycho yesterday, was that indicative of a guilty result?
Plus, if he really had a guilty on me, why would he wait so long before voting me?

Anyway, really fucking disappointed with Neraren's play in this game. Not only did he fail to claim before the lynch of a power role, he also failed to provide

three nights'

investigations worth of info. Go figure.

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^^^ Woops, meant to say Mr. Mean, the cop.

And just in case you guys aren't aware, we're pretty much in lylo. Lynch wrong = lose. Lynch me = lose.

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Anyway, really fucking disappointed with Neraren's play in this game. Not only did he fail to claim before the lynch of a power role, he also failed to provide

three nights'

investigations worth of info. Go figure.

Not every night is going to be a guilty result. I'm going to go with the proven cop on this one.

Vote: d3sisted

Exactly my point. What then makes you think he got a guilty last night?

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Mod: Since Mean is dead, can we also confirm his sanity?

I will be mighty pissed if he comes up sane.

Well, looks like the game ends here. I'm guessing skitzer/zeppo/boing team?

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Edit: Actually, skitzer/boing/max seems more likely.

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There is nothing to defend. Your cases on me are baseless and revolves solely around the fact that Mr.Mean in his dying moments made a rash vote, not thinking of the ramifications of his role.

Here's my challenge to you all: show me where I have been scummy.

Lynch me and we lose. Your call.

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Well, guess I was kinda close. Good game, everyone.

Thanks for a well modded game, ErgO, for staying on top of the votecounts and replacements.

As for Mean... meh. You're new, so I hope you learned something from this game.
Basically, we lost our only advantage over the scum, and that was a cop with headstart. Ultimately, this cost us the game.

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Me, obvsly.

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Kidding.
I'd say Max did pretty well staying under the radar and all there, so he takes scum MVP...

Town MVP is alot harder to choose, but i think it should go to Competentpsycho for staying on top of that scum wagon. It's a shame you were killed off N2.