Mini 1747: Cinnamon Roll Mafia Endgame

[Soapbar]

VOTE: Swordsworth

Swordsworth, FA_Q2, Hawk Scum team GG WP boys

[Soapbar]

whoa wagons are happening

Very much so, yes. Thoughts on Moosy specifically would be appreciated when you make your post.

Moosy is pushing on the easiest wagons in the thread right now in an attempt to mislead the thread.

Oh wait, that was such a Mafia oriented post! Oh wait, he's self conscious! Mafia!

???


I don't understand, it sounds like your mocking him but for what reason? I don't see anything particularly bad about Tool's play (though I fear it may lead to tunneling on his part because he seems to have a large focus on you).

Unless there's some comedic subtext I'm not absorbing here.

[Soapbar]

@toolenduso: do you have any thoughts on moosy?

I do! But I am not giving them out atm.

And the reasons for this are?

You act like you've got something on Moosey from the way your constantly asking people about him, either that or you

really

want a read on him for one reason or another.

[Soapbar]

EBWOP: To clarify, I'm not saying that trying to get a read on the guy is nesscarily bad, but constantly asking people what they think of him instead of just giving us your own conclusions seems really odd to me.

[Soapbar]

I don't know why, but I'd laugh at that for some reason

[Soapbar]

Things are happening a lot faster than my last game that's for sure.

I'm pretty sure that Hawke is town, mostly due to the fact that he was far too cooperative to be scum when Cow was asking for his typing speed. On that note, Cow is town as fuck.

Nothing else particuarly sticks out to me as scummy after that though, my biggest suspect so far is Swordsworth, due to the fact that the only 2 posts where he actually does things (discounting 136) are him reacting to votes/comments on his posts. 136 seemed like he was trying to stay as neutral as possible, ready to take his vote off if the wagon fell apart but keeping it on in case the wagon could still reasonably lead to a lynch. Of course, taking into account that he has posted fairly sparsely at the moment and he's new could explain these things but I still have eyes on him.

[Soapbar]

Wait, can't Jailkeeper's jail themselves, preventing themselves from being NK'd?

Also the logic that we should lynch a town PR instead of trying to lynch actual scum because scum are going to get to them anyways is just stupid. Yes, hawk is going to die tonight that doesn't mean we purposefully kill a claimed PR

thereby giving scum the potential to kill 2 town PR's in just one night

[Soapbar]

@Hawk, does your role allow you to jail yourself? I remember that being a thing jailors can do if mods allow it

[Soapbar]

Oh wait, never mind, I just read on the wiki Jailors can't jail themselves. I swear that I heard of jailors being able to do that somewhere.

[Soapbar]

VOTE: toolendeuso

You uh

Wanna expand on that thought?

[Soapbar]

V/LA until Wednesday-Thursday

I might be able to post from my phone, but that's a big might since I'm not sure how shitty my Grandpa's internet is going to be

[Soapbar]

I'll be back home around 8-9'o'clock tonight

Untill then VOTE: Syndesis I'll explain when I'm not on a phone

[Soapbar]

Back, Anyways my vote on Syndesis is mostly because his jump on to FA felt really rushed, and it feels really out of place with his posting that feels apathetic. And his reasoning supports this conclusion, it all feels like he's stretching for reasons to make his vote valid

Like the first quote on that wall I can understand, but then the second one is just a gut reason (Why don't you like it?). The third one is just an idle question (You made a vague statement and he wanted clarity, and he wasn't the only one). The fourth one I can see as scummy (as it's literally just stating the obvious), and the final one is really vague (why is it a bad reason?).

tl:dr his vote is rushed and supported with vague and unexplained reasons

[Soapbar]

Back, Anyways my vote on Syndesis is mostly because his jump on to FA felt really rushed, and it feels really out of place with his posting that feels apathetic. And his reasoning supports this conclusion, it all feels like he's stretching for reasons to make his vote valid

Like the first quote on that wall I can understand, but then the second one is just a gut reason (Why don't you like it?). The third one is just an idle question (You made a vague statement and he wanted clarity, and he wasn't the only one). The fourth one I can see as scummy (as it's literally just stating the obvious), and the final one is really vague (why is it a bad reason?).

tl:dr his vote is rushed and supported with vague and unexplained reasons

I think at this point in the game, people need to start putting votes down before the day ends. I think she is grasping because she wants to start a wagon on FA. Syndesis's thought process may be that at this point, it's not who looks scummy, but who looks the scummiest because someone has to get lynched. She is "reaching" for reasons to vote FA because she doesn't want others asking why and she can't say "Well someone's gotta die" (Although Moosy can). With Christmas approaching, a lot of people will be V/LA for the next few days which are the most crucial and by the time Santa's back at the north pole, it may just be too late

I don't know if I actually asked this before or not, but Moosy: Are you going to sign up for newbie games as an SE after this game? My hypothesis is that this game means nothing to him and because SE's need to play one game outside of the newbie queue first, Moosy is tanking to get out of the game and when asked about it, he gives the reason "It was sarcasm". I will not mention Moosy anymore after this post unless it is to vote him until he chooses to participate.

This is actually a really good point but I'm going to keep my vote on Syndesis for now unless I absolutely need to change votes, because currently I don't have any other scum reads (I need to do a re-read of some ISO's and whatnot)

[Soapbar]

Decided to read through some ISO's since I was having trouble sleeping tonight (probably due to sleeping in a car since I'm not going to just sit on a 14-16 hour car ride that started at 4:30 in the morning), and uh, Swordsworth sticks out.

Mainly because he keeps going with soft, safe pushes while never actually bothering to vote anybody. And his reaction to the hawk wagon looks pretty opportunistic, combined with not that much activity (and I'm talking before he went V/LA), it looks like scum cruising by.

If we're going with who's scummiest I'd probably pick him for a last-minute deadline wagon, although I would like to hear more from him while we still have time.

VOTE: Swordsworth

[Soapbar]

Back, Anyways my vote on Syndesis is mostly because his jump on to FA felt really rushed, and it feels really out of place with his posting that feels apathetic. And his reasoning supports this conclusion, it all feels like he's stretching for reasons to make his vote valid

Do you think scum would rush to jump on the wagon that has barely started?

Possibly. There's a few explanations (Scum may think FA's a power role, trying to save scum partner, etc.).

[Soapbar]

@tool, it's really late, so I'm going to keep this quick. I didn't pay much attention to the whole conflict between CN and FA because I was looking at Swordsworth and Syndesis but taking a quick review of his ISO, I think it's clear that out of the two wagons he's scummier than FA mostly because he took the obvious lynch bait and also 311 (defending scum to look town, wat). So:

VOTE: Chaotic Neutrality

[Soapbar]

Woops sorry about that.

With swords dead I ran out of scum reads so I've been reading ISO's more. davesaz seems more scummy the more I look at him

1) He's literally only voted twice
2) Most of his posts are just questions and not much else
3) When he actually goes into any real analysis, it's generally when he's defending himself or something he's said with the CN wagon being the exception
4) His vote on CN is very likely to be bussing scum I feel. 427 is a very brief explanation of CN's scumminess, and then 428 and 431 are going into why the people

on CN's wagon are town

, which seems rather, appeasy, for lack of a better word

VOTE: davesaz

[Soapbar]

@tool I only skimmed your post when you first posted it, promised myself I'd read it later but things are a bit hectic right now since Christmas vacation is about to end and stuff. I'll make a proper response later.

I will say that I pretty much only made that vote to try and see if it stuck, nothing pings my radar at all right now so I decided to see if I could get some reactions with what little reasoning I had.

[Soapbar]

So is it 3 scum team or 2 scum team?

I'd say it depends on if there's an SK or not (since it's still not set in stone that Swords was killed by a vig), if there is, I'd say 2-man, if there isn't then 3-man.

In other words we'll find out D3, I guess.

who knows it could be 4 man

[Soapbar]

I've been looking at Metrion and Ira's iso side by side, and I think Metrion's scummier. (might expand more when I'm not so busy)

However, I'm going to wait for his replacement to put him at L-1

[Soapbar]

Flubber do you have anything else to defend yourself with outside of "I'm totally town gaiz"

[Soapbar]

Do you know I want to push onto you iraonavp?

why aren't you voting them then

look at who your asking

[Soapbar]

@Syndesis, sorry for not answering this early, and extra sorry I can't provide better answers at the moment.

1. No, and that was mostly a desperation vote anyways since I had no other even remotely scum reads
2.No fucking clue
3. Moosey feels like troll town, haven't really bothered to read too much into Ras, and Ira feels like null-town.
4. Working on reading into people's ISO's at the moment, since I don't feel like I have a good grasp on the game at the moment, so this'll have to wait.

[Soapbar]

LOL's entrance was also horrendous.

Sorry if you've explained this before but could you explain why or at least point me to the post where you explain why?

[Soapbar]

still working on reads (haven't had as much time as I'd hoped to read people's ISO's) but from intial readings TSQ seems pretty townie. I don't like davesaz's reaction to Moosey's comment tho. Something about it is pretty offputting but I can't exactly put my finger on it

[Soapbar]

but VOTE: FA_Q2 since I'm pretty sure Ira is town

[Soapbar]

but VOTE: FA_Q2 since I'm pretty sure Ira is town

why?

I don't think Scum would fervently defend their partner especially while they were pretty much certain to be the lynch for that day, plus a lot of his posts do come off (to me at least) as pretty genuine.

[Soapbar]

I don't actually know why I voted FA in that post.

UNVOTE:

[Soapbar]

hello again RC

[Soapbar]

Cop Enabler

[Soapbar]

wiki article for anyone who forgets what that role is: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Enabler

[Soapbar]

also woops forgot.

TSQ claim

[Soapbar]

it's just a courtesy in case anybody forgot what it was.

[Soapbar]

It does but I have to ask what do we do if Scum no-kills?

[Soapbar]

I feel like lynching davesaz beacause he's obvscum and we could probably use the cop ability better. But then again it's a pretty risky move to do so because of insta-loss. but then the plan itself is pretty risky because of a whole bunch of possible variables like investigative immunity and roleblockers.

So the question now comes down to: which plan is riskier?

[Soapbar]

so RC had vig and Neighborizer.

any idea what his 3rd ability was? I think it was Jailkeeper, since Moosey seemed pretty certain that Hawk wasn't JK on D1 even after town had decided that lynching him wasn't the right way to go.

[Soapbar]

nobody, I just assumed using the knowlodge from the games I've seen that have it in them, and Moosey's reaction of Hawk's claim.

[Soapbar]

VOTE: davesaz

I think that's hammer b o i s.

[Soapbar]

GG boys. This was my first scum game so I'm interested to know how I did. I'm surprised I wasn't scum read a lot despite the unholy amounts of lurking I've done this game

@mod I am perfectly fine with the scum PT being released, not sure about Chaos or Ira though.

[Soapbar]

dave unless your ability was X-shot (which from the mod post not saying anything about X-shot I assume it wasn't) you had no reason to not use your ability on anyone.

[Soapbar]

also I totally called RC's last ability being Roleblocker/Jailkeeper

[Soapbar]

I don't even think that would've mattered. Dave was also confirmed scum so even if I got lynched they'd just lynch dave the next day, because Dave was also confscum from towns/TSQ's POV

[Soapbar]

@mod I am perfectly fine with the scum PT being released, not sure about Chaos or Ira though.