Mini 1746: Molla's Grand Idea Mafia

[Lucky2u]

Confoim

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: vedith

Always scum. Always.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: diego

Claimed scum.

[Lucky2u]

Sure it is. For example when someone makes a wierd RVS vote or refuses to do so, you find a free scum player! It's super town.

[Lucky2u]

Fuck rvs

VOTE: vedith

Always scum. Always.

I will not be RSVing this game.

VOTE: diego

Claimed scum.

when someone makes a wierd RVS vote or refuses to do so, you find a free scum player!

Hey wait a minute,

@Lucky:

Why vote Diego for not RVSing, while in

#33

#29

you could have voted for Flubbernugget since he did not RVS either?

VOTE: Lucky2u

Fixed an error in my previous post.
In case nobody realised, my vote on Lucky was a serious one, because if he really believes 35 to be true, he should have voted for Flubbernugget in 29. Lucky, I want a response from you.

the simple boring answer is that I only skimmed the previous RVS votes on page 1 and didn't register flubber's post. I would defend myself further on this point but what exactly are you accusing me of? what's my scum agenda/game plan to have singling out diego? Speaking of which...

VOTE: klazam

I'm abandoning the diego wagon in favor of this delicious vote right here. Puts a third vote on diego after my own and dramonic's, while agreeing with the point that RVS is useful to the game. A few posts later and:

truthfully, you participated by not participating.

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: lucky

general agreement towards this wagon, here.

lol what? I'm tempted to call this too scummy to be scum, but I'll just take the Occam's razor route and say this is opportunistic scum behavior.

[Lucky2u]

You have 0 content. Backup your wish to lynch him please.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: diego

I hate rqs, adds solely noise, while rvs adds votes, which can be analyzed later. And yeah, catching scum in rvs happens a hell of a lot.

THIS is not an RVS vote buddy. You don't include explanations (that make sense) in RVS posts. You're backpedaling. My vote is not oh my God you suck, it's oh my God you're scum so yes it's OMGUS

[Lucky2u]

Will give better post tonight but Vedith, you seem scum right now. Why do I think that?

[Lucky2u]

Yea actually I changed my mind. This is town Vedith. Scum Vedith actually tries to appear helpful to town. At worst I can put him on the back burner for now.

Don't get me wrong yakko I like WHERE you put your vote but why did you quote that post when you did it? Seems wierd and scum.

[Lucky2u]

For info purposes, hermm will lol hammer?

[Lucky2u]

So I'm caught up and have jack shit to say

No opinions on any of it?

[Lucky2u]

You seem to be assuming I was accusing you of being scum. I'm assuming you're being lazy.

[Lucky2u]

Some people say you can't do sarcasm on the Internet. I present to them the above post.

[Lucky2u]

prod dodge

catching up, weekend was awesome

[Lucky2u]

Wait... Quad voter? Really? That's super unbalanced... I love it.

[Lucky2u]

Ok so holiday season seems to be getting us off track. Everyone vote klazam and let's go into night for xmas

[Lucky2u]

Merry Christmas all!

Since I am stuck at my parents with nothing but a laptop, here comes my post spam of catch up posts!

[Lucky2u]

Spoiler:

Catchup comments:

Vedith is town.
Nice to have an ika/hiplop hydra be conftown. Those can usually be easy mislynches for scum to pull off, and they can be pretty decent readswise.
diego conftown, neat. Love that dramonic and Yakko keep their votes on him, too. Especially dramonic keeping it on even further.
Klazam and SirCakez are both my main two scumreads, but SirCakez is worse due to his irritating series of vote-unvote-vote-unvote-vote. Looks like he keeps struggling between the two easier wagons.

Yeah lucky why'd you roll scum this game?

This post feels really off to me. Can't tell if it's a joke or not

RVS is not in town interest? Then why has this site been doing it every game for years?

RVS is only there to start people talking.
It means nothing in game as it's so easy to make a standard RVS even as scum.

I know that, but it's in town's best interests to start talking, no?
I don't like the Diego wagon. It formed far too quickly for something relatively benign imo.
The Klazam wagon is one I agree on. VOTE: Klazam
His only two posts have been jumping on wagons as they form with little/bad reasoning for his votes.

UNVOTE:
Still would like a response to my question Vedith although it's less relevant now

VOTE: vedith

UNVOTE: Vedith
Hate how he's acting but is probably town all things considered

VOTE: Klazam
Rejoining this wagon since I only left it to vote Vedith
I'd vote Flubber for doing literally nothing but like the Klazam wagon better

Said votes.

VOTE: SirCakez

It's always nice to see a town Davsto. You may have something on sircakez here, but how do you feel about the fact that one of your scum reads is scum reading the other (klazam)? Are you operating under the assumption that they are opposed scum to each other if both your reads are right?

[Lucky2u]

The Vedith wagon doesn't exist anymore. If I wanted to vote on an "easy" wagon, then why didn't I vote for Diego or Lucky?
And I already gave an explanation for the Vedith wagon hop on and hop off in 204 and 217

Was I considered an easy wagon at any point in this game?

[Lucky2u]

ika's flub vote was shit. the guy is just naturally scummy, I'm not sure why but he is the scummiest player on this site no matter what.

VOTE: diego

this is where we should go, I think. Quad voter is dangerous as fuck, and he comes off as scummy.

I'm going to use this quote from the IC to discuss my feelings on the Diego situation lately. My initial thought was only scum would push the Diego wagon, since essentially the wagon exists because his ROLE is powerful, NOT that he has done anything scummy, just that his ROLE his powerful. Since our IC seems to also be afraid of it, I guess I can't use it as alignment indictive to read those on the Diego wagon. I have moved my read on Diego over to leaning town for the moment. I think scum would have handled this power differently day 1. I will also ask that we don't lynch Diego based on fear of his power.

[Lucky2u]

Lucky- your "look, everyone's busy, lets get someone lynched and go to night before christmas"-(i dont care who youre talking about here, the fact that you wanted it to be me is immaterial) i think this is a horribly lazy push, trying to find a easy wagon to push through, espically since a lot of players has expressed suspicion of me. That post reeks of lazy scum looking for easy way to get night, to me.

It's easy because your scum. The part in parenthesis clarifying that you'd feel this way regardless if it was you or not is a scum thing to say, as you are essentially saying "this totally isn't a omgus read guys, I really feel this way". should have left it out.

[Lucky2u]

You seem to be assuming I was accusing you of being scum. I'm assuming you're being lazy.

I'm accusing you of ingenuine scumhunting. What did you expect to gain from calling me lazy?

There will be some irony to this statement now considering my lack of activity but... I was expecting to gain you being more active and posting more than a sentence.

[Lucky2u]

Would you have rather my vote go to you SirCakez?

If he is a scum quad voter, he is too dangerous to keep in the game. That's why I voted.

What a cowardly reason.

As with my above post, I totally agree this is a cowardly reason. Sky, is there ANY other reason to vote Diego?

[Lucky2u]

/end of spam

I'll be here all weekend.

[Lucky2u]

I'm getting ready to call you scum

[Lucky2u]

This is ridiculous, but I see this issue will not die today so.

VOTE: diego

Waste of a day.

[Lucky2u]

That's a bull pseudo threat to make. The "I'm too important to die now" implication is scum.

[Lucky2u]

Happy New Year all, I'm thankful the pace of this game was easy during the holidays, I can see the majority of us most of had family/friends

That being said, I am going to be smug for a moment about my read on klazam -- smug moment here --- and thank the vig/scum that killed them last night.

On that note, would it be in the town's best interest for a vig type character(s) to claim so that we can have idea of how many scum factions have a night kill? (IE, if we get no vig claims after we ask for it, we know we atleast started with 2 night kill scum in the game)

I didn't get a chance to say hi, but Hi RC! Long time no see! I can't believe you still remember that nickname... Also, how do you keep finding pink haired anime avatars?

I think I'm most interested in a sircakez or dramonic wagon today... SC, why do you think the second kill was a vig? Making that statement seems like something a scum would say to throw off town so they don't look for multiball.

[Lucky2u]

If they're not on the same scum team it would be eliminating the competition. Do you play much multiball setups?

[Lucky2u]

I don't know who that is sadly.

More importantly, I'm looking at your iso from your entrance to now and I'm only null on you. At one point I think you agreed with klazam's read and frankly mafia is the most likely to have partners in this setup, so I'm highly suspicious of people who were cooperating with him.

[Lucky2u]

RC, appealing to our shared history was the exact wrong answer to give there. /heavysuspiciouseye

Thoughts on the kills last night?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Radiant Scumbells

Hmm...

[Lucky2u]

Maybe. Your being friendly rather than discussing the game with me. We can join together and rule this game, but only if you're town.

[Lucky2u]

Because he is town

[Lucky2u]

Diego I'd be more comfortable if you put that vote elsewhere. With 6 to lynch, putting it on someone who scum reads you is asking for a lol hammer.

[Lucky2u]

Davsto for scum 2016

[Lucky2u]

I get really strong town feelings from Diego's play today.

Good minion UNVOTE:

[Lucky2u]

Well this is a party now isn't it. RC, going to need to see you vote so we can confirm.

[Lucky2u]

mod can you update the first post alive and dead?

[Lucky2u]

Color me cautious RC, being the king of hell means you have a target on your back after all.

[Lucky2u]

... That is not LyLo

[Lucky2u]

If it's multiball, 3t vs 1sk vs 2 maf vs 2 werewolf is still winable by town.

[Lucky2u]

But would be considered LyLo by your descriptions.

[Lucky2u]

Oh man... Paranoia triggers all over the place with what's just happened

[Lucky2u]

Going to need to see this vote count now...

[Lucky2u]

It's not to do with not believing, multivoter can prove themselves so I don't need to believe, I just need to be shown. It's either fact or not. The role doesn't confirm alignment though. Grand idea has some wacky stuff in it.

[Lucky2u]

Jealous that two people get to be multivoters.

A little bit.

[Lucky2u]

Alright so this isn't LyLo. Judging by klazam's Bah post, there probably aren't any mafia left.

VOTE: vedith

Let's scare up some activity.

[Lucky2u]

@Skybird

Spoiler:

458 was related to the game, reread it.
Second kill was definitely a vig
Why weren't you on the Yakko wagon RC?
VOTE: Dramonic because his naked Yakko vote was bad

Pushing Dramonic

His terrible day long tunnel on Diego
Ok RC

Pushing Dramonic

VOTE: Yakko
His interactions with RC have me convinced this is scum.

Pushing Yakko

It was 444 and 458 that nailed it for me. The claim request had nothing to do with it.

Pushing Yakko

What do you think of dramonic Yakko?

Pushing Yakko

So you just want to put it off?

Pushing Yakko

^ is garbage and illogical.

Pushing Yakko

I can get with a Yakko wagon, definitely preferable to the Diego one.

@mod V/LA until Jan 3rd

Pushing Yakko

If we are lynching Diego, then it's better to do it today to get rid of the arguing over him faster. Scum isn't going to shoot him.

That being said, I'd much rather stay with the Klazam lynch. Diego is still a townread and I hate lynching solely over how his role might be dangerous if he's scum.

Reads on Klazam and Diego

I'm getting ready to call you scum

ok?

it's confirmed he's a quadvoter. How is that alone antitown? I'm not seeing it.

Then you're either incredibly oblivious, or incredibly dumb.
A quadvoter is pretty much a dayvig that ends the day.

So if he makes an obviously antitown vote that ends the day or lynches someone withotu a claim then he's extremely antitown. Right now he's not.

Pushing Dramonic

Not sure which way to go on Diego. It would be great to have a town quad voter but if he's scum, ugh.

I didn't like his post where he stated he was going to build a town block, like he was encouraging us to believe him to be town.

VOTE: Diego

If you're not sure which way to go, then why did you place a vote in the same post?

So there is a possibility of him being scum. Dammit.

shocker

im considering this, and honestly,

if diego's town

, we have this game well in the bag- 5 votes between

diego and hermmm

. If we go to night, and all

protective roles

choose randomly between both of them, then i dont think that scum can win outside of a mislynch on diego, which could be incredibly hard to pull off.

Look at all those awful, awful conditions.

How is "diego and hermmmm" a condition?

Pushing Skybird and Dramonic

VOTE: Klazam
Rejoining this wagon since I only left it to vote Vedith
I'd vote Flubber for doing literally nothing but like the Klazam wagon better

Pushing Klazam and Flubber

Yeah lucky why'd you roll scum this game?

This post feels really off to me. Can't tell if it's a joke or not

RVS is not in town interest? Then why has this site been doing it every game for years?

RVS is only there to start people talking.
It means nothing in game as it's so easy to make a standard RVS even as scum.

I know that, but it's in town's best interests to start talking, no?
I don't like the Diego wagon. It formed far too quickly for something relatively benign imo.
The Klazam wagon is one I agree on. VOTE: Klazam
His only two posts have been jumping on wagons as they form with little/bad reasoning for his votes.

Read on Diego, pushing Klazam

Most of these seem like legit pushes. Skybird missed this how?

[Lucky2u]

So yesterday, I said that if Diego was alive, we should lynch him. And here is your promised explanation: I think he would be likely recruited by a cult if it actually exists. I felt that Diego was town yesterday, but his alignment probably changed overnight.

And that's why I would almost vote him, but upon rereading someone else's ISO it was concerning and I realised he might be a bigger priority to be lynched. Will talk more when the person in question posts.

So the person in question is Dramonic. This is because upon rereading his iso, I noticed that almost every post suggested that he wanted to lynch Diego, and I fear that he may be a lyncher of Diego the way he went about it. He started it in RVS, continued pushing it when the wagon faded, then went from "Diego is obvscum" to "If Diego's town he'll gamethrow".

The fact that he didn't claim a Cop Guilty on Diego is what relaxes me though, which I what I'd expect from lyncher!Dramonic. Not quite sure what stance to take on him though.

It could just be a stubborn tunnel... This lyncher paranoia is kind of town though. Are there even many lynchers in the deck?

[Lucky2u]

With all the colors of the scum rainbow, that's the best attitude to take.

[Lucky2u]

I was trying to Beetlejuice him back. My current top 2 scum reads are kind of weak. Skybird>Dramonic

VOTE: skybird

Might as well be useful.

[Lucky2u]

advice:

don't ever name a hydra something you can't spell while on a different computer

Okay. I'm here now T_T

You coulda just looked in the game to see the spelling without logging in...

@Lucky: That's unfortunate.

Unfortunate that I scum read you? You going to day vig me or something. Sounds like your about to kill me when you say something like that.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Lucky2u

I think that slot merits a multivote.

I think I'm just going to claim since there is a possibility of being hammered by the other multi voter. Thoughts?

Pedit: it was sarcastic taunting... I hope that's not what I get lynched for.

[Lucky2u]

Tone of voice does not exist on the Internet, let this be a lesson.

[Lucky2u]

I thought "you going to day vig me or something" was pretty clearly tongue in cheek. Judging by the response I've had, I am mistaken.

[Lucky2u]

I'm outplaying lucky and hermm so hard.

#1 wagon.

[Lucky2u]

So is Vedith getting replaced? Also what are we waiting on?

[Lucky2u]

Prod Dodge. Will post tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

Your not allowed to use my nickname while you wagon me RC.

My vote is already on my top scum read right now. It was between Dramonic and Skybird and I find Skybird pushing the Diego wagon yesterday and trying to misrep sircakez today to be scummier. His reads list that he gave when RC asked for one seems to be for the purpose of appeasing more than anything. He is now pushing Diego for activity, and I think he wants to do that so he can have another person to agree with. Diego is pretty universally town read now.

[Lucky2u]

Since when did town care about the easiest vote over the right vote? That's a decently scum mentality.

[Lucky2u]

RC you're going to have to humor me because you've given very little reason for a vote on me. Your best explanation is lack of scum hunting. Yet I'm sure what you actually mean is lack of activity, which is not alignment indicative. So why do you really want me dead? You weren't aligned with klazam were you? I was right about him after all, maybe this is revenge.

[Lucky2u]

Ive been kind of dancing around this but I can't claim. Not directly. My role specifically prevents me from doing that. That's about as much as I feel safe saying.

[Lucky2u]

That's... An interesting vote. Still... It kind of makes sense when RC reacts to my post by wanting more. Yet Skybird seems like a better bet then RC.

If anything I have a better read on Davsto now.

[Lucky2u]

RC why is it a bad idea to postpone your lynch?

[Lucky2u]

Policy (if that's what this can be called) should be a last resort RC. With the exception of Davsto, I don't think anyone is scum reading you so your lynch gains us nothing.

[Lucky2u]

btw what did flubber/rc do exactly
can someone give me the cliffnotes

They replaced in and purposefully didn't vote yesterday to hide their multivote power. They have since confirmed to be a 3x voter. Which means Diego and RC aren't scum related or they already won control of the vote. It's highly unlikely that there role is scum. As far as I know there is not a natural scum multivoter x3. So it would have to have been through other shenanigans that caused them to be scum. Not impossible, just improbable. Their latest activity of willful martyrdom seems town to me.

[Lucky2u]

You want to be lynched RC?

Cakes, where you at? I'm saying Skybird for today's lynch. Am I right or wrong?

[Lucky2u]

I disagree RC.
There goes your concensus

Well, I obviously agree with RC.

You guys disagree with your lynches? Thanks. That helps.

[Lucky2u]

While I admit he has been reaching, the case against Davsto is centered around how ridiculous it is that he thinks I'm town so... I probably won't be joining said wagon.

[Lucky2u]

He's pretty null for you but you'll lynch him?

[Lucky2u]

Fair enough.

VOTE: Dramonic

I've looked back at sky, I might have conf bias myself when I looked back at him originally. I have more confidence with a Dramonic lynch today.

[Lucky2u]

Just for the record people, I am a she, not a he.

well if we're doing this, for the record I am a he not a she. I know bunny avatar doesn't scream manly man, but try to look past it. Lady Luck is a woman, not Lucky2u.

[Lucky2u]

Prodge.

When droog finishes we can lynch dram right?

[Lucky2u]

You don't naturally get to choose, but one of the results you can get is that you get three other roles and have to pick one of them.

[Lucky2u]

RC might have accidentally half claimed. He probably got one of the results where he had a choice. I don't know what means for deciphering his alignment but it could also explain a scum multivoter

[Lucky2u]

RC got confused and thought this was like greatest idea. I forgot he wasn't here when game started. It is POSSIBLE to have a choice in your role. The roles are all randomly chosen from the "grand idea" thread where people go and throw down hypothetical roles. A few of the roles in that thread aren't actual roles, instead they are instructions. For example, reroll twice and get both roles, reroll and make the role mafia, or (in the case of what I was accusing RC of getting) reroll three times and the player chooses a role from one and alignment from another.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Davsto

[Lucky2u]

Aw come on!

[Lucky2u]

Damn... I hate all you town people.

[Lucky2u]

I love this setup and demand a pre in to future games BB.

Also thanks for modding :p

[Lucky2u]

I love this setup and demand a pre in to future games BB.

Also thanks for modding :p

I'm actually leaving the site. Need to fix myself irl.

Was nice watching ya'll play, thanks for playing, sorry about my modding.

Wait what?!

Sadness all around....