Mini 1746: Molla's Grand Idea Mafia

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/confirm

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OMGUS

VOTE: SirCakez

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Hey wait a minute,

@Lucky:

Why vote Diego for not RVSing, while in #33 you could have voted for Flubbernugget since he did not RVS either?

VOTE: Lucky2u

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Fuck rvs

VOTE: vedith

Always scum. Always.

I will not be RSVing this game.

VOTE: diego

Claimed scum.

when someone makes a wierd RVS vote or refuses to do so, you find a free scum player!

Hey wait a minute,

@Lucky:

Why vote Diego for not RVSing, while in

#33

#29

you could have voted for Flubbernugget since he did not RVS either?

VOTE: Lucky2u

Fixed an error in my previous post.
In case nobody realised, my vote on Lucky was a serious one, because if he really believes 35 to be true, he should have voted for Flubbernugget in 29. Lucky, I want a response from you.

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[quote="In post 61, Lucky2u"]
the simple boring answer is that I only skimmed the previous RVS votes on page 1 and didn't register flubber's post./quote]
This is the answer I'm expecting from town!Lucky. I would have guessed this was his reason for not voting Flubber, and scum would try to defend himself even further with more excuses.
UNVOTE: Lucky2u

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Prod dodge, will try to post more tomorrow.

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Above post probably isn't clear. I mean is Dram a quadruple voter since Diego shows with 4 votes.

I wish.

How ironic...

VOTE: dramonic

Explain your scumread on Dramonic.

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Oh so that was just a demonstration (and also why Molla messed up)

Top scumreads are Klazam, hi im Yakko and Skybird (in no particular order)

Klazam - changing votes very quickly, possible scum opportunistically wagon hopping

Yakko - Words not matching actions. Expressed scumread on Lucky but never voted him, while he made the completely unexplained dramonic vote and later, the Diego vote. Don't like how he's been trolling either

Skybird - Like GL has said, didn't like preemptiveness and cautiousness at the end of #60. Also didn't like her questions of "Who are you scumreading?" and the IIOA of ika lolhammering.

VOTE: hi im Yakko

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So Diego is confirmed town, those votes on him need to go somewhere else immediately

TBH I wouldn't mind town just sheeping Diego and HERMMMMMMM today after enough discussion plays out.

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- why vote Yakko over Klazam, when you say Klazam is one of your top scumreads and is currently the only one voting Yakko?

Not really.

I'm scum reading all of them, but Yakko will be the least useful among everyone if he is actually town as he is trolling.

@Mod

Prod Vedith please.

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Still like my Yakko vote. Too much wagon hopping, and not useful to town at all.

Not lynching Diego today, because he is a forced kill from scum if actually town (and if he is scum he'll be killed from another scum faction anyway).

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Sorry, but prodge again.

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Dramonic and Skybird: Why do you want to lynch Diego, a quadruple voter? Already said he's a forced kill from scum.

I'd want to lynch him tomorrow if he's still alive though. Will tell you more tomorrow.

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I can go for a BNL lynch too, he made it clear he's not reading the thread with those questions.

Unfortunately this is true, I'm not really following the thread so much, and have been prodging pretty much the whole game. My V/LA will end soon, so hopefully I can catch up by then and read through the game again.

Also that makes me lean slightly scum on GL as that seemed off, and he also voted me as scum once when I claimed to have "caught up" a second time.

Tbh I think Diego sort of town slipped by thinking he is confirmed town, but I do see where people are coming from in the Diego wagon (policy). I *really* don't want to lynch Diego D1, so my vote won't be on him. Still fine with Yakko, but may change when my V/LA ends.

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Something something doesn't every town player help scum win when they choose wrong? Like, I don't see how Diego having his four-vote is any worse than any of us having votes. All he needs to do is be careful with his vote because it can easily lynch, something which I know that Diego is intelligent enough to do, given he didn't participate in RVS etc.

Well, Dav's town.
Lets face it, mod will not let someone have 4 votes with an assumed team of 3.
That's 6 votes (7 if they go with a town voting randomly).
If there is no night kills for town, then it's a guarantee win for scum from day 1.
Diego is town for me purely on that basis.

Been trying to find holes in this or a reason to disagree but I'm not finding one.

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What? Why are you trying to find holes?

@RC Since you are scumreading Yakko, why not vote him?

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RC:

Why were you heavily encouraging people to vote Yakko, and yet not do so yourself?

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458 was related to the game, reread it.
Second kill was definitely a vig
Why weren't you on the Yakko wagon RC?
VOTE: Dramonic because his naked Yakko vote was bad

I knew he was going to flip town and didn't want the VCA to lead back to me.

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So yesterday, I said that if Diego was alive, we should lynch him. And here is your promised explanation: I think he would be likely recruited by a cult if it actually exists. I felt that Diego was town yesterday, but his alignment probably changed overnight.

And that's why I would almost vote him, but upon rereading someone else's ISO it was concerning and I realised he might be a bigger priority to be lynched. Will talk more when the person in question posts.

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So yesterday, I said that if Diego was alive, we should lynch him. And here is your promised explanation: I think he would be likely recruited by a cult if it actually exists. I felt that Diego was town yesterday, but his alignment probably changed overnight.

And that's why I would almost vote him, but upon rereading someone else's ISO it was concerning and I realised he might be a bigger priority to be lynched. Will talk more when the person in question posts.

So the person in question is Dramonic. This is because upon rereading his iso, I noticed that almost every post suggested that he wanted to lynch Diego, and I fear that he may be a lyncher of Diego the way he went about it. He started it in RVS, continued pushing it when the wagon faded, then went from "Diego is obvscum" to "If Diego's town he'll gamethrow".

The fact that he didn't claim a Cop Guilty on Diego is what relaxes me though, which I what I'd expect from lyncher!Dramonic. Not quite sure what stance to take on him though.

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Sorry for being so lurky this game. Can't seem to get engaged.

Dramonic still seems like a Lyncher of Diego, but Molla told me that lynching a Lyncher can't prevent him from winning, so actually not much point lynching Dram, apart from maybe confirming his alignment.

And I think Lucky is town, or at least not aligned with Klazam, because Klazam quickwagoned Lucky after I made a case on him, which seemed like it would gain votes fast (although it didn't actually). (Note that I'm basing this on associatives only)

But basically all my reads are stale because I haven't been paying much attention. I will need to reread.

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Sorry guys, I still haven't done a thorough reread yet, I'll hope to get it very soon. If I still can't I think I may need to replace out.

I feel I need to vote someone now, and currently my strongest scumread is

VOTE: dramonic

The reason being inconsistency in thoughts. Look through Dram's ISO and see how his stance on Diego throughout the day changes. Near the start he thinks Diego is scum, as evident from 67 and 192 . After he reveals himself as Quad voter he still thinks Diego is scum in 242, 288 and 308. Then slowly he fades off the reason in the later half of 288, and completely defends against his initial reason (scumreading Diego) in 328?

Its currently not that strong however, as I don't see his play make sense as scum. Don't see how it makes sense as town either, though. (As I said, Lyncher makes the most sense.) Dramonic is experienced but idk his meta so idk if that's how he plays. I will also need to reread Skybird and SirCakez as seemingly the ones most mentioned here as scum (and the least I'm townreading). From RC's prompt I reread Lucky and also realised that he wasn't as townie as I thought.



Something else which I should have addressed much earlier, but I didn't, is this:

Skybird - Like GL has said, didn't like preemptiveness and cautiousness at the end of #60. Also didn't like her questions of "Who are you scumreading?" and the IIOA of ika lolhammering.

VOTE: hi im Yakko

What IIOA with regards to Ika and his voting habits? It is

a statement of fact

that in the past ika lolhammers and he does it as either alignment. There's nothing to analyze on that. I said it so if there was anyone in the game that didn't know of this trait, it won't catch someone by surprise.

Asking people questions is how I get involved in a game. I really don't care if you don't like my questions.

It is a statement of fact, that's why it's IIOA. And also the reason why I didn't like the question is because it was unnecessary. People are trying to read others, and asking people where they are at in their reads is not going to advance the game more than if you hadn't asked. And this makes the question pointless, as it makes you seem more pushing the game forward than you actually are. (The same is for #623 btw)

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We either need to lynch me or move on. My role is completely distracting. I played early D1 under the assumption I was confirmed town. Now that I know better, I'm completely useless. Think about it...if I placed a vote on

anyone

right now, would you trust it?!

Scum know that I'm getting lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. They'll leave me alive and shoot for chance at another town PR. We might as well lynch me today and move forward.

I thought Diego was town but this post gives me pause.

I think that, if we're going to have issues trusting me because of my multivotes, I should be lynched today and not later.

But I want Diego to never be lynched, and Dramonic to be night killed by Lucky.

If you aren't townreading me or are worried about my multivotes we're lynching me today.

It's a terrible idea to postpone my lynch if it's going to be happening anyway.

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I'm not sure what to say about this.

On a side note, I will probably stop being so lurky because I'm out of all other games.

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Diego, why are you scumreading Davsto?

Also, upon rereading SirCakez ISO something caught my eye.

UNVOTE:
Still would like a response to my question Vedith although it's less relevant now

SirCakez later said he left the Klazam wagon to vote Vedith, but he didn't Vote Vedith in the same as he unvoted Klazam?

Also,

VOTE: vedith

UNVOTE: Vedith
Hate how he's acting but is probably town all things considered

I just realised that Vedith never posted in between these two posts, so I don't know why Cakez suddenly unvoted Vedith there. Those posts were less than 1 hour apart too.

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Dramonic, what do you think about RC, a triplevoter?

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Id chain vote it.
I think @Bullet?

Is this an answer to my question? I don't get it.

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Id chain vote it.
I think @Bullet?

Is this an answer to my question? I don't get it.

Dram, explain please?

RC might have accidentally half claimed. He probably got one of the results where he had a choice. I don't know what means for deciphering his alignment but it could also explain a scum multivoter

RC was a replacement, so he didn't know that there was no selection phase.



Lemme reread Skybird and Davsto, they seem to be plausible lynches too.

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Now I'm starting to become paranoid of Diego again, considering that scum killed RC, who had less power, over him.

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not a bad outcome
regret not joining davst wagon

i dislike this. Reads to me that he wished he could've got town cred for the lynch.

Really good point.

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Diego, who do you think is scum/alien/werewhatever?

So who's scum Dram?

I really dislike these posts from Skybird. To answer a question she asked yesterday, no, I'm not saying you can't ask questions, but the

type

of questions you are asking are bad. I think these questions are too general (not sure what is the best word for this)

Ice storm coming my way. I'm prodging now before I lose power.

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Thinking Scum>Skybird>droog>dram>Diego>Cakez>Town atm.

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Really good point.

Why are you scum reading Droog?[/quote]

not a bad outcome
regret not joining davst wagon

i dislike this. Reads to me that he wished he could've got town cred for the lynch.

Also didn't like his troll-ish reactions when pointed out. Also coupled with the fact that Herm has not been killed yet despite being quite far into the game, which probably means that scum do not see them as a threat now, which is possibly because their reads are off-point.

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Wait a bit quotes got messed up

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Why are you scum reading Droog?

not a bad outcome
regret not joining davst wagon

i dislike this. Reads to me that he wished he could've got town cred for the lynch.

Really good point.

Also didn't like his troll-ish reactions when pointed out. Also coupled with the fact that Herm has not been killed yet despite being quite far into the game, which probably means that scum do not see them as a threat now, which is possibly because their reads are off-point.

Fixed tags

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Since Cakez is wondering if you still have 4 votes, you could test it out on him.

I believe its 4 to lynch now.

Also Dram, why aren't you voting Diego?

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Since Cakez is wondering if you still have 4 votes, you could test it out on him.

I believe its 4 to lynch now.

Also Dram, why aren't you voting Diego?

I highly doubt he'd let himself get hammered.

Huh? What do you mean? You don't have four votes do you?

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Now I'm starting to become paranoid of Diego again, considering that scum killed RC, who had less power, over him.

Changed my mind about this. Thinking that someone protected Diego last night.

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Diego, what's your read on Skybird?

Also,

UNVOTE: Vedith
Hate how he's acting but is probably town all things considered

i also really like this post
but i dont think anyone not in the vedith slot would get why

Droog, can you explain this?

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Droog, can you explain this?

it shows that he makes a difference
between things he dislikes
and things he thinks are scummy

and that hes rethinking it at all
makes it come from town mindset

but i think you wouldnt get it if youre not me
because nobody else can assume that im town

And why didnt you explain this earlier?

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So

We started with at most 6 scum, so we have at most 2 scum left

And we have a (probably permanent) vig, as evident from the Klazam and Lucky shots

We know Herm is town, and the vig is also town

We find one more town, and we have 3 unconfirmed. If all the scum left are the same faction (or maf/wolf + used Alien), we can lynch one of the three today, vig another tonight, and with 3 alive, we can lynch the last tomorrow giving us a town win.

I'm town, so if everyone believes that, we have won unless we have two killing scum factions.

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how do we know the vig is town

Why would scum shoot Klazam and Lucky?

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Why would SK shoot scummy people?

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Wow.

After the SirCakez flip, I started getting engaged in the game again as I found a breaking strategy. And I got scumread because of that, as I assumed only town would shoot scummy players. Actually this is null, because I never had experience with an SK, so I do not know how they would play.

Anyway, my reads:

Herm is town, Diego is highly probably town, and I'm leaning town on Dram now as his play doesnt make sense as scum, and I'm inclined towards believing his claim. Hence by PoE, I think Skybird and droog are the last scum, and I'd strongly prefer lynching droog over Skybird for now for reasons I do not wish to say now.

VOTE: droog

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prodge

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I read the Grand Idea thread, and realised that there were more SKs than vigs, so if it's true that the SK will shoot scum and not town, my plan will sadly not work.

I think I know who the SK/Vig is though, and I can share with you if you wish me too.

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Why hold back BNL? Go ahead and tell us.

Could be SK or Vig. If vig then shouldn't out.

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UNVOTE: Fire Starter

The survivor claim is a big red

Jester Alert

VOTE: dramonic

I think this is more likely to be scum than Skybird.

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GG everyone.

Sorry to everyone, especially the Mod, for the replace out... or maybe for not replacing our earlier, as I was super disinterested in the game and all my posts after some point were prod dodges.

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IC-PGO

Wait what... so this was the perceived Vig/SK all along?

If I hadn't replaced out I wouldve said I thought Skybird was the vig/SK by POE. So... right conclusion from wrong reason.

So I think the game would've been decided regardless of what happened on day 3.