Borderlands Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pisskop
Why don't you like your character? Cause you're mafia? TALK!

[Dwlee99]

Everyone knows only scum use puns, titus.

[Dwlee99]

I just realized this game is gonna be super nutty with so many people.

[Dwlee99]

That seems odd, considering that the scale of the game has been obvious for so long. Why did you only just realise that now?

I saw the size of the vote count.

[Dwlee99]

I wonder if titus has a post restriction or if they're doing this for their own amusement.

[Dwlee99]

^ is that even true?

[Dwlee99]

I am talking about the third player thing.

[Dwlee99]

Not in the mood to google adjectives, cakey

[Dwlee99]

Cakey are you town.

[Dwlee99]

i do a lot of those mafia tells you listed as town. oops..

[Dwlee99]

Elyse this is not the time to tunnel titus and then reveal as an innocent child. :3

[Dwlee99]

Elyse I am pretty sure get flocked is a wevsite for sheep memes.

[Dwlee99]

If you are talking about my then mine is correct.

[Dwlee99]

Elyse what is your problem. Do you actually think I am scum or are you trolling me

[Dwlee99]

Im mislunch bait ofc i am concerned.
Not in the mood to get eaten.

[Dwlee99]

Elyse i dont think someone would crumb that and I actually took you seriously and was like you crazy but apparently that was a joke.

[Dwlee99]

The votes on me are p awful.

[Dwlee99]

10/10 town logic: Let yourself get lynched not doing so is antitown.

[Dwlee99]

I am not confident this early unless something pings me hard. And last time I tunelled town for two days and they were a power role. Maybe sleepy posting comes across as scummy, that might be it. But I am pretty sure i got wagoned in denmark mafia d1 elyse. Just like this.

[Dwlee99]

I have seen about 5 votes on me that is l2 in what I normally play.

[Dwlee99]

I have played no large themes.

[Dwlee99]

I decided to stop declaring myself town because people scum read me for it. god damnit elyse.

[Dwlee99]

Being "obvscum"as town is fun because yoi get all the people voting for you feeling like total idiots when ya flip

[Dwlee99]

Kinda got the impression people think I am obvscim from the stream of votes onto me as well as your repeated repeating of absoluteness on your scumread of me elyse.
I dont feel like checking pops.
I guess im rereadong despite hating doing that

[Dwlee99]

^ not rereading bow rereading later

[Dwlee99]

I need to reread because I was tired last night and havent really noticed something to ping me.

[Dwlee99]

I mainly get my reads through interaction so we will see what comes of my reread.

[Dwlee99]

I was town :/

[Dwlee99]

I guess this saves me from getting mislynched >.<

[Dwlee99]

Well then youre lyimg
I am august a vanilla townie.
Elyse is town. Dont lynch her.

[Dwlee99]

.-.
What the fuck

[Dwlee99]

Fucking xinderblock walls

[Dwlee99]

>.<

cool

[Dwlee99]

Their interactions w/ me feel real.

[Dwlee99]

Everyone I have talked to so far feels town but I cant remember all who I have talked to.

[Dwlee99]

First large theme this happens. 10/10

[Dwlee99]

Cakey are you surrreeee youre town?

[Dwlee99]

Dwee lee e? Whattt

[Dwlee99]

I'd like Dwlee to confirm, but it seems almost guaranteed that he has never seen a fake dayvig gambit before, being as new as he is.

Haven't seen one.

.-.
What the fuck

Fucking xinderblock walls

You've been here 6 months and this is the first time you've ever seen a fake dayvig?

I'd like Dwlee to confirm, but it seems almost guaranteed that he has never seen a fake dayvig gambit before, being as new as he is.

They seem to show up in every game nowadays, so not sure how his games don't have them.

This is my first large theme. No one fakes shit like that in mini norms.

[Dwlee99]

o/

I dont know if I like my character.

Titus is town. ish

Lol this game

Yo dude what are you thinking w/ reads and stuff.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't remember that. :C
Probably because there was no fucking way they were a dayvig

Dayvig Dwlee99

That's what you get for asking so many questions.

[Dwlee99]

Wait when the heck did rc make a fake dayvig post on me? I missed that somehow?
Also I find goldiee's looking for his name in that list is odd but not enough for a vote yet. Just marking it for noww.

[Dwlee99]

Yea, I did. I dayvigged someone on my home site after only 3 posts from them. I can see others doing it.

[Dwlee99]

I never claimed to completely forget it. I remember it now but when asked about it I didn't remember.

[Dwlee99]

Fuck you I'm town. Like what the fuck do you want me to say right here? Cause I'm not fucking lying here.

I have swimming now, wont' have internet access for another hour and a half.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee's explanation sucks. I bought his reaction as townie because he said he'd never seen a fake dayvig before but that reaction is awful since he has seen one. And why would you immediately assume the one in that game was fake and this one was real?
VOTE: Dwlee

IT WAS A MINI NORMAL AND I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL A HUNDRED POSTS LATER AND I WAS SCUM THAT GAME FFS

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Grapes
fuck you

[Dwlee99]

I am flipping gtreen hate all of you.

[Dwlee99]

Still need to reread.

[Dwlee99]

Honestlu yt white knighting me is weird af

[Dwlee99]

"we lynch __ when dwlee flipa scum"
and when I flip town what are you gonna do?

[Dwlee99]

Stop basing all of your shitty reads on me flipping scum, because it isnt fucking happening.

[Dwlee99]

How many fucking votes do I have on me.

[Dwlee99]

Fuck

[Dwlee99]

Is this another "reaction test"?
The hammer is 13. He unvoted me and revoted me so it is still 10.

[Dwlee99]

Will you guys even look at my reads when I flip?

[Dwlee99]

No one listens to the shit dead townies say. Nevver seen anyonwle go back and check it. It was a rhetorical question.

[Dwlee99]

My gut says not varsoon is scum

[Dwlee99]

I thought lowell was in the game too. o3o

I'm rereading now.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Ending top of page 10

In summary:

Dwlee's tongue emoji use was weird.

TSO has only been here 2 years and 364 days. I joined three days before him.

Suzune is being really awkward and taking that tell seriously pings my scumdar.

VOTE: Suzune

The first two words in Titus' posts began with g and f. Godfather. When she flips GF I take credit for it.

grapes is Suzune's buddy.

P-edit: and dwlee is #3

Elyse this is not the time to tunnel titus and then reveal as an innocent child. :3

What if Titus is scum??????????????????????????????

P-edit: oh my god

Can someone make me a doublevoter pls

So I can vote for Suzune and Dwlee

I don't think elyse would make these strong stances as scum.

Dwee, if you really are town and you want people to see that rule number one here is just ignore any votes on you and only respond to questions while trying to find scum. For some odd reason wanting to live is a scum tell here while it really shouldn't be.
Anyway, list two people you think have a higher chance of flipping scum than others if we were to flash-wagon right now. If you could also briefly explain why that would help.
If you find yourself without scum reads go reread and pay more attention until you do.

Attempt to help me feels real.

Dayvig: Dwlee

I've got one shot per day so may as well.

I enjoy reaction tests and I think this is more town-indicative than scum-indicative.

Where did you get that townread from, incidentally?

This post is just to represent T S O's trying to figure out the game through questioning so they're probably town.

Then why are you so eager to defuse the Dwlee wagon?

This is hypocritical considering you just unvoted him.

Yeah Dwlee's reaction to that reaction test was very town. Don't want to vote there anymore.
VOTE: popsofctown
Terrible posts and fence sitting.

The hypocritical thing bothers me.

.-.
What the fuck

Fucking xinderblock walls

You've been here 6 months and this is the first time you've ever seen a fake dayvig?

I think Dwlee is town. And I like NotNot for now too.

Let's clear all of these out.

Vote: I am Not Varsoon

3rd vote

Gut feels that this is town.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Top of page 10 to end

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
SirCakez

Townish:
I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon
T S O
Dwlee99
Varsoon
CooLDoG

Nulltown:
Nero Cain
PeregrineV
popsofctown
Flubbernugget
Venmar
BRantz

Null:
Starbuck
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Almost50
pisskop

Nullscum:
beeboy
Aafter

Scumish:
Rob13

Scum:
YT2980

I like this

Feel good about my town column. Feel okay about my townish column. Too many people floating around in the null area. Needs more posting.
Everyone on the scum side is there most likely because gut.

VOTE: YT2980

genuine

This is going to be an annoying to read stream of consciousness post because that's how I catch-up and you people post too much.

#96 - Elyse, why do you think grapes is Suzune's partner? Or are those two independent reads. I'm not really getting the Suzune read at all. Null up to this point for me. Obviously didn't get that Cooldog was joking. Cooldog's coming off pretty town, by the way.

#106/107 - Ok, now I get the Suzune scumread a little bit. That did seem awkward. Don't get how you had it earlier, though.

#118 - Yeah, grapes is definitely scum, and this dwlee wagon is low effort and bad.

#128 - Technically, I don't disagree with anything being said here about Dwlee. Yes, he defended himself pretty hard at an early stage. But I don't really consider defensiveness to be a valid tell anymore. It's very hit-or-miss. As much as people like to talk about how townies should throw themselves into the line of fire to find scum, it's easier said than done; no-one wants to be lynched. There are scummy ways to defend yourself, but it's not like Dwlee stopped scumhunting to defend himself. He made a single defensive post and then it blew up because of a low-effort wagon. I find Dwlee pretty null so far, maybe even lean-town a bit based on gut.

#132 - Can someone bring out some beeboy meta? I know beeboy is aggressive as scum from reading a past game he was in. Is he also aggressive as town?

#137 - Titus is town, and this is a strong case for SirCakez being Dwlee's partner is Dwlee flips scum. Both are probably town, though.

#142 - Elyse, he has an 8 person wagon on him. Are you seriously trying to cast aspersions at Dwlee saying people are finding him very scummy?

Re #148 - Cakez calling out TSO for voting someone on something that's obviously not alignment indicative is town-motivated enough to draw a lean town in early Day 1. He's continued to post like town since then, although the relational tell to Dwlee that Titus brought up is worth keeping in mind.

#149 - Pops, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

#150 - But I sure like this post from Pops not being a lemming on the Dwlee wagon.

#154 - But I also like this post attacking Pops. It's a good point on hedging bets.

#156 - Aafter, you're really not going to comment on anything else? Just latch onto the one post that mentions you?

#168 - TSO is town.

#183 - Someone on the staff team needs to add a filter to the site so anyone who says "reaction test" is autocorrected to "I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to play Mafia."

#198 - We were already out of RVS when the Dwlee votes started, but m'kay.

good

Actually, I'm afraid that's a lie. You have seen a fake dayvig gambit before, because RC used one on you in this game, at post #124. At post #152, you specifically note its usage.

VOTE: Dwlee99

doubt scum would actually go through that much fucking trouble to go through my games to find someone pulling a fake dayvig gambit

If you don't provide a thoroughly convincing reason for why you lied to me you're getting quicklynched.

hard stance

VOTE: Dwlee

I hate being wrong.

genuine

I dont like the aggressive push on dwlee. I think its over the top on a player I think is too new to be able to handle it well.

I mean, sure we can flip him, but a town Dwlee really hurts a few player's standings.

This is just about everyone who is defending me, I can't tell if it is scum defending me for town points when I flip or town or town actually thinking I'm town.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

Hi; all.

Sorry for the late entry. I've tried to do a quick read though, and one thing caught my eye:

I don't particularly feel like voting pops right now. I'm not really scumreading anyone who has posted much. There are a ton of people who need to start playing, however.

Now I do like to keep track of my games on a text file, with remarks and pointers for reference. By the time this post was made a total of 21 players had already checked in. Only Starbuck (still hasn't), Peregrine (did later on), and myself (here I am) had yet to post.

But maybe TSO meant to include those who only posted once or twice which he considered to be "of no content"? *Shrug*

OK, now I see there's a party going at Dwlee's place. My previous experience with him is limited to a still ongoing game, so I'm probably of not much use, but I could still contribute two points:

1.a. On the + side, I would've thought that "may" have been a real DayVig action myself, although I've seen it being used as a "joke" more than once before.

1.b. Still I would've had doubts, bc -to my knowledge- DayVigging does not require confirmation. In other words, the "real" DayVigs I've seen before were unannounced and simply done by submitting a PM to the Mod.

2. It is indeed strange to say one never saw something when they actually did. I don't see how one would forget something done to them by "Welp! I'm RC" in particular.

FoS on Dwlee, not doubt.. but I feel it's too early into the day to push his wagon further.

Now let me go back & read more to see if I can find anything I might've missed on my first read.

Hi, there, are you enjoying life on your fence? Nice and comfy?

UNVOTE:

I won't vote for now since we may be at L-1, but for all intents and purposes my vote is on Dwlee.

YT's entrance to the game is super awkward. Though I always tend to scum read people who enter the game with theory things as if the player list in a large doesn't know that flash lynching on day 1 is generally a bad idea. It looks like an attempt to seem helpful while doing nothing.

I like TSO, rob, Titus, and NotNot/Guerts for town a lot.

Leaning town on Peregrine, grapes, and Cakez.

Elyse is certainly town if Dwlee flips scum, but is null for me otherwise.

Pisskop is being Pisskop, can sort him later.

pedit:

VOTE: Dwlee99[/post]

this is a good post

Town: {Elyse, Titus, Rob, NotNot/Illuminati guy, TSO, Grapes}
Townlean: {Cake, Brants, Peregrine}
Null: {Everyone not on the list}
Scum: {YT}

VOTE: YT

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: YT

[Dwlee99]

RIP 30 minutes of my life.

[Dwlee99]

RIP 30 minutes of my life.

YT is a good vote.

If you flip town I will crusade for YT's lynch.

If you go back on this I'm hunting you down after the game.

[Dwlee99]

Everyone tells me to make a reads list cause it's "important" so after spending 30 minutes of my life one person responds to it. kthx

[Dwlee99]

Yo elyse what do you think of my reads that aren't yt?

pedit: Lol aafter you scum?

[Dwlee99]

The point TSO made about Dwlee should have being able to remember a dayvig is punishing him for being forgetful or wrong rather than doing something inherently scummy.

He manipulated his reaction to garner towncred off a reactiontest he'd seen before, then specifically stated that he had never seen it before. What part of this isn't inherently scummy to you?

yep mhmm totes

[Dwlee99]

Slip?

[Dwlee99]

2nd: I have decided Dwlee to be 3rd party but NOT a member of the main mafia group. There's NO WAY 12 or even 10 townies will agree on a lynch in the opening 24-48 hours. So it follows that 3-4 mafia are on that wagon, if not even all of them. TSO voted him then Titus (who is town to me) joined in and everybody started piling up line ants on sugar. He did make a slip (Dwlee; that is) that I can't see as an "innocent" one, but still doesn't justify the pile up on him like there was a "be won Dwlee's wagon" kind of win-con in their role PMs.

So, not town (bc he did tell a lie) and not mafia (bc they're voting him) = self-aligned 3rd party. Remains to be seen whether he is likely harmful, bc .. YES .. I have seen town-aligned 3rd party players (ex: Survivour Doctor). They may turn against the time in later stages of the game if needs be, but at the start of the game chances are they want the town to win fast so they can also win.

What is thissssss

[Dwlee99]

But it wasn't a lie.

pedit 2 months is a butt ton of time.

[Dwlee99]

fuck you beeboy

[Dwlee99]

okay that was fake fuck you even more now

[Dwlee99]

Stop trying to reaction test me. Cause no matter what the fuck I react as you're just gonna call it scummy.

[Dwlee99]

Okay YT is scum. Lynch him. Lynch him. Lynch him.

[Dwlee99]

DWLEE, GIVE US SOME READS.
OTHERWISE, RINSE YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP.

ARE YOU FUCKING READING GOD DAMNIT

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Top of page 10 to end

Town:
Suzune
Elyse
Titus
SirCakez

Townish:
I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon
T S O
Dwlee99
Varsoon
CooLDoG

Nulltown:
Nero Cain
PeregrineV
popsofctown
Flubbernugget
Venmar
BRantz

Null:
Starbuck
I_Am_Not_Varsoon
Almost50
pisskop

Nullscum:
beeboy
Aafter

Scumish:
Rob13

Scum:
YT2980

I like this

Feel good about my town column. Feel okay about my townish column. Too many people floating around in the null area. Needs more posting.
Everyone on the scum side is there most likely because gut.

VOTE: YT2980

genuine

This is going to be an annoying to read stream of consciousness post because that's how I catch-up and you people post too much.

#96 - Elyse, why do you think grapes is Suzune's partner? Or are those two independent reads. I'm not really getting the Suzune read at all. Null up to this point for me. Obviously didn't get that Cooldog was joking. Cooldog's coming off pretty town, by the way.

#106/107 - Ok, now I get the Suzune scumread a little bit. That did seem awkward. Don't get how you had it earlier, though.

#118 - Yeah, grapes is definitely scum, and this dwlee wagon is low effort and bad.

#128 - Technically, I don't disagree with anything being said here about Dwlee. Yes, he defended himself pretty hard at an early stage. But I don't really consider defensiveness to be a valid tell anymore. It's very hit-or-miss. As much as people like to talk about how townies should throw themselves into the line of fire to find scum, it's easier said than done; no-one wants to be lynched. There are scummy ways to defend yourself, but it's not like Dwlee stopped scumhunting to defend himself. He made a single defensive post and then it blew up because of a low-effort wagon. I find Dwlee pretty null so far, maybe even lean-town a bit based on gut.

#132 - Can someone bring out some beeboy meta? I know beeboy is aggressive as scum from reading a past game he was in. Is he also aggressive as town?

#137 - Titus is town, and this is a strong case for SirCakez being Dwlee's partner is Dwlee flips scum. Both are probably town, though.

#142 - Elyse, he has an 8 person wagon on him. Are you seriously trying to cast aspersions at Dwlee saying people are finding him very scummy?

Re #148 - Cakez calling out TSO for voting someone on something that's obviously not alignment indicative is town-motivated enough to draw a lean town in early Day 1. He's continued to post like town since then, although the relational tell to Dwlee that Titus brought up is worth keeping in mind.

#149 - Pops, I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

#150 - But I sure like this post from Pops not being a lemming on the Dwlee wagon.

#154 - But I also like this post attacking Pops. It's a good point on hedging bets.

#156 - Aafter, you're really not going to comment on anything else? Just latch onto the one post that mentions you?

#168 - TSO is town.

#183 - Someone on the staff team needs to add a filter to the site so anyone who says "reaction test" is autocorrected to "I'm an idiot who doesn't know how to play Mafia."

#198 - We were already out of RVS when the Dwlee votes started, but m'kay.

good

Actually, I'm afraid that's a lie. You have seen a fake dayvig gambit before, because RC used one on you in this game, at post #124. At post #152, you specifically note its usage.

VOTE: Dwlee99

doubt scum would actually go through that much fucking trouble to go through my games to find someone pulling a fake dayvig gambit

If you don't provide a thoroughly convincing reason for why you lied to me you're getting quicklynched.

hard stance

VOTE: Dwlee

I hate being wrong.

genuine

I dont like the aggressive push on dwlee. I think its over the top on a player I think is too new to be able to handle it well.

I mean, sure we can flip him, but a town Dwlee really hurts a few player's standings.

This is just about everyone who is defending me, I can't tell if it is scum defending me for town points when I flip or town or town actually thinking I'm town.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

Hi; all.

Sorry for the late entry. I've tried to do a quick read though, and one thing caught my eye:

I don't particularly feel like voting pops right now. I'm not really scumreading anyone who has posted much. There are a ton of people who need to start playing, however.

Now I do like to keep track of my games on a text file, with remarks and pointers for reference. By the time this post was made a total of 21 players had already checked in. Only Starbuck (still hasn't), Peregrine (did later on), and myself (here I am) had yet to post.

But maybe TSO meant to include those who only posted once or twice which he considered to be "of no content"? *Shrug*

OK, now I see there's a party going at Dwlee's place. My previous experience with him is limited to a still ongoing game, so I'm probably of not much use, but I could still contribute two points:

1.a. On the + side, I would've thought that "may" have been a real DayVig action myself, although I've seen it being used as a "joke" more than once before.

1.b. Still I would've had doubts, bc -to my knowledge- DayVigging does not require confirmation. In other words, the "real" DayVigs I've seen before were unannounced and simply done by submitting a PM to the Mod.

2. It is indeed strange to say one never saw something when they actually did. I don't see how one would forget something done to them by "Welp! I'm RC" in particular.

FoS on Dwlee, not doubt.. but I feel it's too early into the day to push his wagon further.

Now let me go back & read more to see if I can find anything I might've missed on my first read.

Hi, there, are you enjoying life on your fence? Nice and comfy?

UNVOTE:

I won't vote for now since we may be at L-1, but for all intents and purposes my vote is on Dwlee.

YT's entrance to the game is super awkward. Though I always tend to scum read people who enter the game with theory things as if the player list in a large doesn't know that flash lynching on day 1 is generally a bad idea. It looks like an attempt to seem helpful while doing nothing.

I like TSO, rob, Titus, and NotNot/Guerts for town a lot.

Leaning town on Peregrine, grapes, and Cakez.

Elyse is certainly town if Dwlee flips scum, but is null for me otherwise.

Pisskop is being Pisskop, can sort him later.

pedit:

VOTE: Dwlee99[/post]

this is a good post

Town: {Elyse, Titus, Rob, NotNot/Illuminati guy, TSO, Grapes}
Townlean: {Cake, Brants, Peregrine}
Null: {Everyone not on the list}
Scum: {YT}

VOTE: YT

[Dwlee99]

Stop trying to reaction test me. Cause no matter what the fuck I react as you're just gonna call it scummy.

This reaction is scummy though. So much AtE.

Can't tell if you're being serious.

[Dwlee99]

okay that was fake fuck you even more now

2 minutes later..

WTF? A lynch on the first day of the day phase when we're granted 14 days to make a decision. Granted, I got quite a bit to catch up on, and I will comment on it D2 if I'm alive, but why so soon? Did he do something ridiculously scummy? If not, there's no excuse for it being this fast IMO.

[Dwlee99]

I WOULD PREFER A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION THAN A STRATIFIED LIST, HOMIE.
COULD YOU USE AT LEAST A SENTENCE TO EXPLAIN EACH READ?
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GAUGE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN EACH.

DID YOU READ MY CATCHUP!P!?!?!?!?1!?!?!?!

[Dwlee99]

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

[Dwlee99]

TSO are you stupid?

[Dwlee99]

^ no offense

[Dwlee99]

Yo cakey lynch them with me.

[Dwlee99]

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

YT any comment on this?

[Dwlee99]

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

Wishy washy and opportunistic after just defending me earlier in the page

YT any comment on this?

Only thing I got to say is I've been half-assing my logic. Read as far into that as you want, but that doesn't = me being absolute scum.

I've been having trouble keeping up with everything in the thread. As I said earlier, it's an adjustment. This hammer came way TOO soon, and I will say that till my deathbed is laid in this game if I have to.

I haven't had the chance to make scumreads yet

, I was planning on doing that tonight after getting the chance to read things in one sitting.

Believe me if you want to, I'm coming out with all guns blazing next day phase if I survive.

And yet you wanted hammer...

[Dwlee99]

And I was looking forward to playing this game over the long weekend too :/

Canadian?

I have a 4 day weekend too. o3o

[Dwlee99]

Someone asked you if you were gonna hammer and you said yes

[Dwlee99]

it is in the post i quoted

[Dwlee99]

It's in my catchup. That's where all the explanations are.

[Dwlee99]

idk why I called it a catchup. Reread

[Dwlee99]

I'm not even hammered yet and I'm fucking town yt. lmao

[Dwlee99]

I think it's L-1. T S O unvoted then voted again, and I see four other votes. You still have time to complete your bus if you care to, YT.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

No, I wasn't.

[Dwlee99]

I think it's L-1. T S O unvoted then voted again, and I see four other votes. You still have time to complete your bus if you care to, YT.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

No, I wasn't.

The second post was a misinterpretation of the term bussing according to 553, not an intent to hammer.

That makes no sense.

[Dwlee99]

I think it's L-1. T S O unvoted then voted again, and I see four other votes. You still have time to complete your bus if you care to, YT.

I will when I'm not at school, and can access a computer.

Nobody hammer.

No, I wasn't.

The second post was a misinterpretation of the term bussing according to 553, not an intent to hammer.

That makes no sense.

Then ask YT. It mostly makes sense to me.

Like constructing an actual bus? If you get it explain it.

[Dwlee99]

Wut

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Elyse, answer my damn question.

[Dwlee99]

Yo elyse what do you think of my reads that aren't yt?

pedit: Lol aafter you scum?

if you couldn't find it, elyse.

[Dwlee99]

It's important in the next day if you flip town. It's not important now, because we all think you're scum.

You're either scum or incredibly anti-town, I am completely against this mindset. It devalues everything dwelee could do; you're suggesting he's going to die regardless of what he does. It also shows you're very narrow-minded by saying "it's not important, we all think you're scum!", it's not good scumhunting and shows you're committed to just lynching him. A lot of people on the site do this but i'm always against the idea of just lynching people for the hell of it, it's not a healthy strategy. Trying to rush a scum is something scum have a lot of motivation to do and little reason for town to do.

Give me a single example of something Dwlee could do at this point to prevent his lynch, given the fact that he's confirmed to have lied about the basis for his reaction to the dayvig.

In most cases, I'd agree with you. In this case, Dwlee is today's lynch, end of.

Not remembering is different than lying.

[Dwlee99]

Rob why do you do this.

[Dwlee99]

Rob you're conf biasing me so hard. :/

[Dwlee99]

I despair of this game. I hand you one of the most obvious smoking guns you'll ever find, and still people find a way to question it.

Magical.

If I was scum I'd fake hammer.

[Dwlee99]

self**

[Dwlee99]

There have been multiple fake hammers this game. Which one of them came from scum, hmm?

self

[Dwlee99]

We have had multiple people say that the "lie" isnt even alignment indicative

[Dwlee99]

Would admitting to lying even though I didnt make you realize youre wrong?

[Dwlee99]

What is wrong with town hunting, cake?

[Dwlee99]

You all better post the pictures of your shocked faces when I flip town.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Yt, now that I am less convinced you are scum, one thinf bothers me
The constant if dwlee flips town this, if dwlee flips town that, it feels weird to me but other than that 10/10 reread.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not sure you understand why you're still alive, Dwlee. It's not that you're barely surviving, it's that we want others to give content before we end the day. Your fate was sealed pages and pages ago.

If I was scum I would have selfhammered hours ago. lm not a complete idiot.
Ignore my forgetfulness and am I scum then? If you take that one piece out what is your read of me?

[Dwlee99]

Respond to my other post or naw, yt?
And the importance of the post you quoted is in the question I asked TSO.

[Dwlee99]

That answer works for me.

[Dwlee99]

Rob why does me being forgetful make your town read of me completely irrelevant?

pedit bb <3

[Dwlee99]

blahblah

[Dwlee99]

MY PHONE REFISED TO LET ME POST I DIDNT GET POST #666 WHY

[Dwlee99]

I really want to answer that question cakey but I need to stop answering for othwr people.

[Dwlee99]

Hmm that is interesting bb. I was thinking that that was before the reaction tests you cited in your post that I didnt react scummy to.

[Dwlee99]

Leys play the lynch dwlee for having the memory of a goldfish game.

[Dwlee99]

The hive mind O_O

beeboy All I do w/ my life is mafia school and league but I would probably argue that cramming for all honors and ap is probably not good for my memory.

[Dwlee99]

bb titus and yt are most likely town.

[Dwlee99]

I can never tell if the people defendong me are smart town or scum trying to gain town ppints when O flip :C

brb chores

[Dwlee99]

I THINK IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY THAT DWLEE IS LYING RATHER THAN ACTUALLY FORGETTING.
PEOPLE FORGET STUFF LIKE PHONE NUMBERS. PEOPLE DON'T FORGET A SPECIFIC SORT OF PLAY IN A GAME THAT THEY FREQUENT.
IT'S LIKE IF I WENT AROUND JUST MAGICALLY ACTING LIKE I FORGOT WHAT A GAMBIT OR A TRUST TELL WAS.
YOU'D CALL BULLSHIT.

I find myself agreeing with this post. I feel like while one does not keep massive amounts of mafia in short term memory, that when a situation is the same you are able to recall it. In my opinion, it looks instead like he was flustered under the situation and fumbled. Personally I have seen a day vig claim in all mini and larges I have played.

beeboy, you are sure whiteknighting him hard...honestly, I said it once but I will say it again. I feel like if he would put more effort into acting townie and aiding the town rather then bemoaning his own case, I would take interest.

Youre not reading

[Dwlee99]

Suzunne, saying I am not scumhunting/townhunting is you not reading.

[Dwlee99]

Varsoon when did my "awkwardness" start?

[Dwlee99]

Im mislunch bait ofc i am concerned.
Not in the mood to get eaten.

Not awkward at all

The votes on me are p awful.

My opinion on my wagon

10/10 town logic: Let yourself get lynched not doing so is antitown.

Someone told me to not defend myself.

I am not confident this early unless something pings me hard. And last time I tunelled town for two days and they were a power role. Maybe sleepy posting comes across as scummy, that might be it. But I am pretty sure i got wagoned in denmark mafia d1 elyse. Just like this.

How do you even see this as awkward?

I decided to stop declaring myself town because people scum read me for it. god damnit elyse.

She tried to meta read me, this isn't awkward.

Being "obvscum"as town is fun because yoi get all the people voting for you feeling like total idiots when ya flip

This is kinda awkward but it is the only one in the entire spoiler you have any actual reason to find awkward

[Dwlee99]

I was tired :c

I was interacting with elyse to read her. dont give me the you werent scumhunting shit

[Dwlee99]

Rob your conf bias is real.

[Dwlee99]

CALLING YOURSELF MISLYNCH BAIT IS AWKWARD IN THE FIRST FIVE PAGES, FLAT-OUT. WHY DO THIS? IT SERVES NO TOWN PURPOSE, BUT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT SCUM DEFENSE MECHANISM. YOU HAD ONE VOTE ON YOU. WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?

IT'S AWKWARD IN RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAD A SINGLE VOTE ON YOU.
THE SECOND I ADDED A VOTE, YOU STARTED TO PANIC.
I ADDED A VOTE AND YOUR ONLY RESPONSE WAS 'THE VOTES ON ME ARE PRETTY AWFUL'.
IT WAS TWO VOTES, HOMIE
TWO.
IT TAKES THIRTEEN TO LYNCH.

I ADDRESSED YOUR 121 ALREADY.

YOUR 129 SEEMS LIKE AN ODD EXCUSE OF YOUR PLAY, WHILE POINTING FINGERS AT ELYSE META-WISE, BUT NOT REALLY ENGAGING WITH HER IN THIS VERY GAME.

IF YOU DECIDED TO STOP DECLARING YOURSELF TOWN, WHY DID YOU DO IT IN THIS GAME?

ALL OF THESE POSTS, IN THE CONTEXT OF YOU HAVING VERY FEW VOTES ON YOU AND GETTING RUN UP, LOOK LIKE YOU WRIGGLING, PLAYING THE "OH NO I AM MISLYNCH BAIT, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?!" CARDS. IT DOESN'T RING AS TOWN TO ME.

Tjis is what i was responding to when i said i was tired. I overestimated the amount of pressurr I was getting or maybe it wasnt but I remember feeling like everyone was calling me scum.

[Dwlee99]

In about 5 posts I eas called scum or voted for 8 times before i started acting awkward..

[Dwlee99]

No meme this time, titus?

[Dwlee99]

Seriously though go back and read that. I get called scum a ton of times, I ask elyse if she is being serious cause I am trying to figure her out, and then I get voted 3 times in quick succession..

[Dwlee99]

Congrats varsoon you have a good memory must be fcking nice.

[Dwlee99]

Not lynching town is a good start, cake. Ooh this game is even numbered I just realized that could indicate multiball or sk right?

[Dwlee99]

I bet this is multiball. It would explain why eveeyone seems genuine af with their scum reads.

[Dwlee99]

How the fuck am I supposed to find scum if everyone scum reading me is genuineky scum reading me because of multiballs.

[Dwlee99]

Rob where is the confidence i am scum?

[Dwlee99]

In about 5 posts I eas called scum or voted for 8 times before i started acting awkward..

Since no one saw this for some reason.
I did get pressured a buttton bwfore reactin
And I am super forgetful. I have been unloading this dishwasher from years and still have no ckue where some of the stuff goes. My mom getd really pised finding it on the counter top.

[Dwlee99]

In about 5 posts I eas called scum or voted for 8 times before i started acting awkward..

Since no one saw this for some reason.
I did get pressured a buttton bwfore reactin
And I am super forgetful. I have been unloading this dishwasher from years and still have no ckue where some of the stuff goes. My mom getd really pised finding it on the counter top.

[Dwlee99]

That post took twenty minutes to get through okfg. And Idk rn varsoon. Well actually I have some thoughts and they all center around beeboy being town.

I dont have good memory omfg. I cant remember where to pjt a fucking ovally tan container thingin my kitchenband I have been unloading the dishes at least once a week for two years.

[Dwlee99]

People xontinue to ignore my posts.

[Dwlee99]

Titus why is rob scum.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not ignoring you, Dwlee. I've read what you wrote, but I'm more interested in this beeboy thing rn.

And I still don't think it's at all likely that you forgot that.

Do I need to take a picture of this stupid container? I have been trying to figure out where it goes for an hour cause I dont want to wake my mom and ask cause she already is annoyig enough when i dont know where it goes and it is late.

[Dwlee99]

WHEN DID MY MOM GET THESE UGLY MEASURING CUPS WTF

TITUS YOU ARE ADOPTING ME AND WE WONT HAVE FANCY DISHES

[Dwlee99]

Dont pronounce my name do lee. Dont.

[Dwlee99]

Dweelee o3o

[Dwlee99]

At least you dont pronounce it dwib bibly

dwee lee

[Dwlee99]

Two syllables. It isnt de it is d. De wee lee isnt right. Get ready to say duh. start it and then dont finish wirh the uh part and say wee lee

[Dwlee99]

They were saying you were good at analyzing wagons, b
Right titus?

pedit I was just starting to like you :/

[Dwlee99]

Hopefully this game can be used to prove I am actually a forgetful person. if I can remember it lol

bahh VOTE: Sircakez
bah bahh bahhhh

[Dwlee99]

You didnt follow through
she doesnt like itlpip
The last is kinda confusing

[Dwlee99]

Actually i am voting sir cakez because in the last game I played witg her, titus was spot on with her reads and I sheeped her after she died for the win. If i dont know who is a good vote I am going to listen to whoever I think can find scum the best and I have a townread on.

[Dwlee99]

I have plenty of time but I still cant read people well. I have some funny stories but I cant tell them right now :c

[Dwlee99]

Why is varsoon ignoring the fact that before I started actig even semiawkward I was mentioned as scum about 8 times in a short period of time?

[Dwlee99]

Also, you didnt answer my question, tso.
If you ignore the "lie" am I town or not? Also cant you see that you are looking at my post and saying "how can this be scum motivated?" instead of "how can this be town motivated or scum motivated?"

[Dwlee99]

Also to people saying I reacted calmly to that dayvig gambit, I was scum that game.

[Dwlee99]

Rob stop ignoring me

[Dwlee99]

To anyone who thinks that I am scum because I didnt remember the fake dayvig:
What is your read on me outside of that?
Why are you confbiasing so hard?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why aren't you following through on the reads you made earlier?

bahhhhhhh

[Dwlee99]

Cause bahhhhing is more likely to catch scum.

[Dwlee99]

And tbh I cant even keep the players straight in my head.

pedit I wasnt guiltied though. All I did was forget something .-.

pedit2 Just becauae I shouls have cofidence doesnt mean I do. Read histort mafia 2, read denmark mafia where I tunneled a power rile, read league of mafia where I qas a doublevoter.

[Dwlee99]

It is like those health teachers who are like "Have selfesteem!" but it isnt that fking simple.

[Dwlee99]

Debunked. Funny word to use once I flip fucking town and you realize it isnt fucking debunked.

[Dwlee99]

Whatever lynch me but dont ever try to make the argument that there is no way I forgot because that is straifht up idotic.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, I do cakey

[Dwlee99]

I haven't seen a single detractor of this wagon attempt to engage the points that drive it, except perhaps Venmar. Peregrine, if you have an issue with the reasoning being used, then say it. Otherwise, stop sniping from the gutter.

The way I saw it.
You and Wguerts have a scumread on Dwlee.
Wguaerts dayvig.
Dwlee reaction.
Dwlee claim.
You both have a townread for the reaction.
You ask him to confirm

he did not inhale

had no knowledge of previously used fake dayvig.
9:06 am he confirms (237)
9:12 am you have researched his previous games, at least up to the last 2 months worth), and have found the location in the game where a fake dayvig was used and he was there to see it (240).
He answers (244), and the wagon builds from there.

This seems like a reasonably accurate summary of events up to #244, though I've only glanced at it momentarily.

So was it all just an act? Did you "set a trap" to catch him in a lie, and plan to vote him if he failed the test?

It seems quite obvious that this is the case, given that the way my posts are worded, yes.

Or did you fully research the prior games and find one (which you were not in) in which he fully was aware of a dayvig (in 6 minutes)?

No.

Why did you not believe his response?

Because it's obviously a lie.

How do 12 other people all think that was scummy and not dumb/forgetful/etc?

They're using things contained within their craniums known as brains.

Do they all think his reaction was fake?

Yes, Peregrine. That's why they're voting him.

You didn't think so...

What is this even supposed to mean?

Say it was obviously a lie after I flip town. You all piss me off.

[Dwlee99]

So it is like asking someone "When did you start beating your wife?" No answer is good and saying I didnt doesnt answer the question. Is that what you are saying, pere?

pedit I will bah all I want
pedit2 wow thanks pere

[Dwlee99]

BUT I DIDNT LIE. WTF

[Dwlee99]

You dont fucking know me, tso. You cant tel me I dont forget shit because I do. On a regular fucking basis. Why the hell would I be remembering a fucking insignificant fake dayvig that I didnt even see until later. And then yiu say "oh he thought it was perfectly normal" WELL I WAS FUCKIG SCUM IN GHAT GAME SO WHY DO YOU TRY TO USE IT TO READ ME?

[Dwlee99]

Constant yelling, with the occasional interlude of you forgetting about dishes in your kitchen, without ever actually addressing the points that have been concisely made against you, is very poor scumplay and I'm disappointed in you for thinking it would work, Dwlee.

VOTE: Dwlee
Youre gonna look like a fucking dumbass when I flip town.

[Dwlee99]

Also to people saying I reacted calmly to that dayvig gambit, I was scum that game.

THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS.

[Dwlee99]

Yea only if I am town. Are you finally realizing I am town cake? Did you fucking realize it?

[Dwlee99]

And I mean it isnt that antitown considerig that I am a distraction anyway.

[Dwlee99]

I am so good at getting lynched as both alignments someone should give me jester.

I am doing stuff rob
I am askinh you people questions and the responses are coonfirmation bias condirmation bias

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
I am going to ego hammer myself every time I am town.

[Dwlee99]

Once I die I am going to multiquote every time someone said I was aid I mist definitely wasnt town like you just did, rob. I am them putting them all in google docs and once the game ends I am postjg a huge wall of that.

[Dwlee99]

everytime someone says I am most definitely not town*

[Dwlee99]

Wait titus you were in that game?

[Dwlee99]

Oh yea you replaced in.
Titus want to lynch tso?

[Dwlee99]

Weren't you townreading me earlier? I'd love to hear how that read evolved, Dwlee.

Beeboy's case and titus seems to agree. :3

VOTE: Tso

[Dwlee99]

I think it's multiball because everyone on my wagon actually thinks I am scum. This means that both scum teams think I'm on the other.

[Dwlee99]

so who is everyone lynching when I flip town?

[Dwlee99]

so who is everyone lynching when I flip town?

I'll be lynching based off of the analysis of your own wagon that you provide.

I already told you that I think everyone on my wagon thinks I'm scum because I think it's multiball. Think about it. Team 1 and 2 in multiball. Everyone on team 1 is like "wow that guy is so scummy must be on team 2" and everyone on team 2 thinks I'm team 1. Because of this there is probably no difference in votes on me from scum and town.

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Pere, my point is they ARE being sincere because they actually think I'm scum BECAUSE of multiball.

[Dwlee99]

For how long am I going to have to read all these posts?

[Dwlee99]

[post]#[/post ]

[Dwlee99]

np

[Dwlee99]

Yea so when I die you guys can follow my crappy reads and then you lynch the people I think are scummy and then they're all town or something. >.<

[Dwlee99]

really?

Yes.

Once starbuck gets replaced lynch me. I'm over it at this point.

pedit because yt's catchup was really good.

[Dwlee99]

How long until starbuck gets replaced?

[Dwlee99]

I call bs on that theory because I respond to everything about me as both alignments.

[Dwlee99]

I dont get it.

[Dwlee99]

Explain it again?

[Dwlee99]

^ yeah, I figured this particular response. But I spilled the beans, so it won't work now, carry on as normal.

@dwelee, I've found that there is a particular set of posts that people make when I provoke them in a particular way. I find this particular set of posts (like Nero's) to be scummy.

Well now I need to know so I can use it..

[Dwlee99]

^
prob scum looking for something to push after DW flips.

What do you think I'mma flip?

[Dwlee99]

^
prob scum looking for something to push after DW flips.

What do you think I'mma flip?

I kinda think you'll flip town b/c yeah that whole fast bandwagon+beeboy WKing you makes me think town but at the same time I'm also agreeing that you haven't been as confident as I've seen you before and

Yea so when I die you guys can follow my crappy reads and then you lynch the people I think are scummy and then they're all town or something. >.<

is fucking headdesk and something I could see from scum that might not want to put pressure on their scumbuddies by giving a reads list.

but if you are scum I doubt its with beeboy.

The thing you said is headdesk I want to elaborate on but site rules.

[Dwlee99]

That's not sk hunting. That's saying someone else saying someone is an sk is wrong.

[Dwlee99]

Don't lynch flubber.

[Dwlee99]

If you guys lynch flubber after I flip my salt levels will rise.

[Dwlee99]

I'm the biggest problem, rob. I have 200 posts. o3o