Mini 1764: Netherspite's SORM III [Game Over]

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VOTE: yaaargami

Sooo how did tje aetup change from last games? Finally im town in this mess

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VOTE: yarrrgami

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No lynching may be our best option here.

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VOTE: FA_Q2

I don't actually know who this is.

Do you know who I am?

Dats it?

No day 0 as its a mini. There might have been changes to how cult work.

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Oh dear

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No lynching may be our best option here.

Ohhh noes, two yoshis.

We must fight so I can become alpha.

VOTE: Aronis

Mad Hatter!

Trying to vote me out a third time?

No lynching may be our best option here.

No lynching is a bad option 95% of the time and is a terrible option here. With the slim majority we have, I don't see any reason to carelessly throw away one of our best chances out taking out a scum/3p and give them a free opportunity to slaughter us.

RM is townpool.

Actually want to know the cognitive process behind random voting fire considering relative mislynchability of slots.

How is no lynching a remotely good idea?

VOTE: yarrgami

I have role information that tells me this is 100% scum.

Ummm, no. Lycnh all liars.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

No lynching can be a good idea due to the huge amount of info night 1 gives us.

Me first pass in reading the shorty-pirate's scribblins was that it was odd that 13 suggests he has cults on the brains, but that doesn't sail smoothly with the suggestion that nobody walks the plank today.

The main thinkin' I've been comin' to is not that the shorty-pirate be scum o' some sort, but rather that callin' him town seems for suggestin' a no lynch be a bit superficial.

I remember cult because there was a lot of discussion post game last SORM about changing it.

RM is townpool.

Actually want to know the cognitive process behind random voting fire considering relative mislynchability of slots.

Both these statement be ticklin' me ears in funny, slightly distressin' ways.

We be voting fire because he be bringing fire on a ship full of wood and gunpowder. That thar' is scummy behavior if ever there was.

If my parrot and I wanted to see some non-scurvy hands walk the plank, there be better options than some silly sailor who not be list'ning to the wise words of Smokey the Piratebear: "Only ye' can prevent ship-fires."

Why do ye think Firebringer has a shorter plank than the rest of the lot, and why do ye think that matters so early in the voyage?

Playing history, and never too early to throw shade, get some info see what the peeps say to stuff. The wagon speed is giving me hibbiegibbes but not sure if it's because it could be a gambit or because scum are thirsty, but we'll find out.

What issue do you have with rm, considering he came out and stuck his neck out very early? He's never struck me as someone who would take huge play risks of being snap-lynched unlike someone like a me or a reck or something.

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On the topic of possibility of lyncher, is it best idea to ignore it, I haven't read all the roles just some that got me curious, so first off, is there anything that could have a result atm? If not, how likely is it that we're going to have to find a way to shoot lyncher turned jester (if I understand it correctly) before they create a day early lylo? Which could come early considering the potential for a bunch of deaths.

I am an incredibly reckless player.

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Wait nah my maths is probs wrong, gonna stick rm back in null pool until stuff happens, he could be scum.

I thought you were townreading me for my play.

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We should category claim with 7 players left or when there are only two non town left.

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Who is the squinty pirate?

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Nope, that isn't it. Normally in SCII mafia, on which this is based, you have a day 0 where you cannot lynch (see SORM II). I was suggesting this may be the most beneficial approach.

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Please stop anen. It's impossible to understand what you are saying.

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I'm just not going to read anen's posts.

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VOTE: 3dicerolling
Still haven't forgiven you for SORM II

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And lost me the game

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VOTE: snarky snowman

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: no lynch

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@Xkyfu anen stops doing it and has a reason. Not a good vote.
@droog we are getting no where with discussion and will probably hit town, we get a huge amount of night info that can help discussion. There's a reason this setup generally starts with day 0

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Town gains a huge amount tonight. Generally I would say lynch is fine but we are getting no where. Day 1 lynches almost always hit town. Look at previous iterations.

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OK fair enough on the fair party lynches. I generally don't worry about them too much early with the exception of cult, but that's a difference of opinion.

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*third party lynches

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i like that
but counterpoint

if we lynch a 3rd party
the other 2 3rd parties will resent us

That's not necessarily a given, but it is a possibility that I didn't consider.

I guess we'll have to talk it out with them, then. I'm not wholly convinced that at least one of them is not Mafia, though. So, we might be better off just lynching a claimed 3rd party anyways. We'll miss town, and have a chance to hit Mafia, if one of them is a fake claim.

However, this is my first role madness game (other than an abandoned Lawless game where I was a Survivor), so I'm probably not the one that should be talking about ideal D1 play.

I have a lot of experience with sc2/town of salem which is essentially the same as this. A lot of time town lose early but end up winning bc neutral killing and mafia wipe each other out.

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There are no VTs in this setup droog.

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There is one more pirate going under the radar, and he's starting to ping scummy.

Which one?
This one below?

Srry guys. I forgot about this.
And just policy lynch them with me snarky. So much easier then having to ask for a translation every five seconds.

One more post about policy lynches and I'll DayVig you. Regardless of what kind of PR I actually have.

So umm what did I miss?

See above!

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VOTE: no lynch

Why?

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VOTE: no lynch

why

Ok, I just got here and it's painfully obvious, even to me.

I'm all ears.

However, we already have claimed 3rd parties. So, assuming they aren't town fake claiming 3rd party, we can guarantee that we don't lynch town.

I can't see any benefit for a townie faking a Third Party PR. However, I can see

damn good reasons

for a Mafia (or a Third Evil) to fake Third Party PR.
Actually Xkfyu's 289 pretty much explains everything.

if we lynch a 3rd party
the other 2 3rd parties will resent us

And why for the sake of all the dancing little nymphs need we care how much the other third parties will resent us? The Neutral Killing is someone we should get rid of, and the same goes for eg. Cult/Auditor (their WinCon don't match ours). What you're saying might be true for certain Neutral Benign PR-s but we don't even know whether they exist at all.

couldnt "town random" become "vt"?

No.
Random Townies are PRs randomized from the Town-PR categories. There's one Government, Protective, Investigative and Killing. The other three could fall into any of those categories. (With certain restrictions.)

I'm down with a massclaim. I am Busdriver.

Stop massclaiming.
That's how we started going down last time.
Also, I think this claim was actually fake.

See above??? See what above what??

And town won last game? Or did I miss a game of this? Idk

He was reffering to SORM Ihe missed the game not you. In that game town got screwed over by a massclaim (especially my fault)

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That isn't the point and you know it.

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@aneninen sneaky-sneak pirate is espeonage

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You are right. We run too much of a risk lynching.

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Unless Xk is a mason leader or something then it is def dodgy.

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Yeah, snarky is jester.

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What did I say?
Please can everyone sheep me.

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Also what's up with the deathnote?

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SORM hasn't been kind to you has it 3dr?

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So is snarky not a jester then?

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There's only one slot that can be jester though (neutral benign)

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Investigator or Sheriff could a bit but not enough to work with certainty. Consigliere is only one that could be certain. However, mafia support was taken.

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Also stupid. Not lynching was a better option.

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I'm not the jailor.

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@aneninen I was the MM not shos. I don't remember being able to, and I've got a feeling deathnotes were added in this iteration.

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VOTE: FA_Q2

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Most active players are townpool, his posts aren't great and his votes are suspect af.

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VOTE: espeonage

I would be willing to vote here, but I'd rather wait till he catches up tomorrow.

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Nope.

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That seemed kind of forced from FA_Q2.

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I don't blame him tbh. It's hardly engaging gameplay.

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VOTE: aronis

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Sorry, it's hard to post

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Basically the fact he forgot to submit his night action. BTW he has done this before as town I think.

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VOTE: shos
I'm not seeing any better options than this really. I actually agree with the points Snarky is making.

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I would be willing to vote espeonage. I just don't see it going through today.

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My day 1 was different because I felt like I could be useful then. I'm completely lost at this point and it doesn't really feel like anyone is posting content that I can use to sort people.

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Droog is probably town or 3p. Yarr has thrown me off a bit. I wnat to look into that now that you mention it. At the time I didn't think many people were scumreading espe.

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I just feel that droog is doing his own thing.
A lot of people have just been putting espe as scum/nullscum since I voted shos.

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I didn't check yarr's posts because they were busy irl which explained it.
I didn't say that the shos vote and reads on espe were connected. I said that my vote on was connected to a lack of scumreads on espe beforehand.

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VOTE: Espeonage
I'm more comfortable here than droog.

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We should totally no lynch.

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It was a joke -_-

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VOTE: shos

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Most roles will visit.

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VOTE: ranger
Fine.

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So we have 2 mafia and one third party left right?
Jester, claim now. It will benefit you in the long run.

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VOTE: aronis

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Like seriously.
This should be obvious D1 strat by now for those who have played before.

Massclaim day 1 fucked us in SORM I. Was thinking we'd try something different.

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Shos are you even reading the thread?

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It's decided then. We lynch, aronis, snarky, aristophanes.

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If aristo is the last scum then it doesn't matter as it is game over. We don't know aronis is jester. That post alone makes me want to lynch you.

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Snarky is basically conf scum so lets start there.
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VOTE: Snarky

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Let's just lynch snarky and aronis? Neither of them are town. It's the best move here.

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Everyone who isn't me or FA should vote Aronis rn. This is optimal play.

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Anen, you are confirmed town. Don't vote aronis. Everyone else should vote aronis in their next post or its a de facto scum claim.

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OK, fair enough. Assuming aronis doesn't self vote, the wagon composition should be everyone who isn't myself, aronis or FA.

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Shos should hammer.

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Yes.

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Snarky lynch ahould be shos, Anen, 3dice and aristo.

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Snarky lynch ahould be shos, Anen, 3dice and aristo.

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We should discuss beforehand though.

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Everyone who isn't myself or FA should give thoughts on who scum is, so scum can't optimise their nightkill as easily.

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VOTE: No Lynch
One of the flips today flips scum.
This confirms shos as town as he is conf town unless anen is lying which doesn't make sense unless he is scum in which case shos is town.
This leaves us with one of aristo, shos or 3dice dead from jester, as well as presumably one of me and FA dead from scum.
Left are anen, me/FA, two of aristo/shos/3dice
If we have a protective claim then no lynch, if not decide which we want to do. (if protection is successful then we know either protector + target are town or protector is scum)

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VOTE: No lynch

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One more.

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Looks like it is Anen then.

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What happened with the n1 rb then?

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@ mod would rb die if they targetted a vet?

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Not trying to ruin the wagom or vibe, but, why does everyone townread me? I dont remember getting conftown in this game?

Anen claimed you were roleblocked n1. If you are scum you were blocked by your own team.
Why did consort die night 1?

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VOTE: aneninen
I'm not convinced but I don't think I'm going to go anywhere else.

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WP anen, that was really well done.
GG guys