(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[TheTrollie]

the fuck is pre-game talk?

[TheTrollie]

The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

fuck you too

Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.

town

Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.

literally 100% same thoughts as I had.

town

If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

^^^
Still troubled with this...

.

Key

a Sedona, pls explain?

Gods I am hungover.
I will just assume for now that these 3 pages are totally irrelevant nonsense...but I will read them in a bit. After coffee.

A couple thoughts... This map-mechanic.
I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head it might be worthwhile to stage an early massclaim of what the map does for us. To help whoever HAS the map decide on where to PUT the map.
Don't get crazy yet... I haven't really considered the ifs.

Anyway..I'll be back

The post just before this one (which was too long so i decided not to quote it) is where I realized i DO ACTUALLY know what pre-game talk is. I'm so much smarter than I give myself credit for

x t f 1 2 9 6 y 0 M

Right back at ya!

The hell is a vote count? Reck stop doing your job and do your job!

I don't want to vote anyone right now before I see a vote count but...
RC is town
Tails is probtown

EE & Aero could easily be scum

Suspicious of Snarky and Amihan

[TheTrollie]

Camn pls.

Is this for me? I'll talk about Camn whether it is or not:

I am going to say that I read Camn as town, but I can see some scumplay about his/her (ill check after i post this and note for next time) play, I just don't think its actually coming from scum motives. That may change as I get a better read. Keeping an eye out.

That's a very bad idea.
Also, I can tell everyone one thing about this topic: I don't need that Map at all.

First off...it

might

be a bad idea. Actual townies will decide that, not you. But if you really think so.. you shouldn't be talking about the details.

Secondly, sometimes scum lie.

3) Every role in the game has a special ability or modifier that activates if they have the Map.

Now, I absolutely do

not

want anyone coming in here saying what the map gets them...OR saying it doesn't get them anything. Yet. So stuff it. But note the inconsistency above.

camn

, 2 things:
(1) Noted, but there is not actually an inconsistency there.
(2) please tell me what the utility/meaning of "Now," was in that post. And yes I am serious. I am not sure what you meant.

[TheTrollie]

Amihan

pls convince me to join you on the SS wagon

[TheTrollie]

1. I am town
2. I am usually right

Does this mean I'm not gonna get an actual answer from you on why you are voting SS?

[TheTrollie]

Huh. I just clicked Trollies GTKAS link and God a "not authorized to view this forum". Weird.

Anyway...this has been a lot of talk.
I see a few little questions for me- mostly they are not worth getting into right now... But I'll hit them later.

Trollies reenterence is scummy as fuck. It's crazy...but more later.
Also Amihan seems very confused about things.

Let's get after that:
Trollie-
" now" is just a turn of the phrase in American English. Like "listen,-" , "look,-" , or "but seriously,-"
That answered.... Please explain your first post to Amihan. What happened there? Why did you post that, and then where did you disappear to? Where did you hear about "pregame talk" . break it down, cuz its been a major item here while you have been away.

More soon.

Re: Before - i'm not sure what post to Amihan ur talkin bout. i didnt disappear. go read the first three posts of this game and you will discover the answer to your following question

Re: Now - ok cool. I didn't know if you were using it in the temporal sense. SO, that being the case...that you were saying it in a transitional sense...what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?

Re: Later - why are you always saying you'll get to shit later. I'm impatient.

[TheTrollie]

I already did, subtle positioning. I thought you wanted more.

no im just lazy, can you tell me which post I can find it in?

[TheTrollie]

nvm i see it. unfortunately i dont know i think its very good so ill need to look him over myself

[TheTrollie]

...

[TheTrollie]

PS Trollie...I read the first 3 posts again...all of which were by reckoner. Explained nothing.

then you do not understand your own question

Also...it's not really the time to talk about claiming. That ship has sailed and we will come back around to it LATER. maybe

I'm not asking to talk about claiming, Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"

[TheTrollie]

I didn't. You are making shit up.

Keep trying, though.

Gods I am hungover.
I will just assume for now that these 3 pages are totally irrelevant nonsense...but I will read them in a bit. After coffee.

A couple thoughts... This map-mechanic.
I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head

it might be worthwhile to stage an early massclaim of what the map does for us.

To help whoever HAS the map decide on where to PUT the map.
Don't get crazy yet... I haven't really considered the ifs.

Anyway..I'll be back

can you stop with the bullshit though b/c i actually still think you are town but you are doing a HORRIBLE job at being helpful

[TheTrollie]

idk...maybe you are scum actually but I need u to get off me and start talking about other people so I can figure it out

so go do that

[TheTrollie]

No, trollie- we are not getting off of you. We are hanging you.

First things first- lets come back to your first post. Why did you write it? Why wont you explain it? The people who called you out on it- you call them town. This implies you KNOW that it was scummy. So explain. In plain words.

Second- this attack of yours..Im going to show the town how you made it up. You are trying to pull a crapcase out of thin air, because you are scum and you are scared to try a nightkill on me.

what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?

Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"

So- I never changed my mind. I am clear about this. I, at ALL TIMES, think/thought it is worth discussing. I, AT NO TIME, am saying we should do it immediately. This is plain as day. This may be subtle- but I dont think so.

Spoiler: Let >ME< be the one to bold for emphasis:

I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head it

might

be worthwhile

I can table the thought for now... But it seems like it is maybe something worth doing

at some point.

Im Not necessarily saying we gotta do this

... But what are your thoughts AGAINST

I absolutely do not want anyone coming in here saying what the map gets them...OR saying it doesn't get them anything.

As you can see above- my veiw has certainly not changed. Now the idea that Trollie is floating that it HAS- its a crapcase, pure and simple. There is no way to read my posts any other way.

That, combined with Trollies TOTAL LACK of anything redeeming coming into this game puts him squarely scum.
You guys- I wanna see a Trollie wagon again. He wasnt here for the first one. Lets do it again. Maybe he will vanish again, though.

Keyser- after Cowbells look at Trollie.

ugh yall are so annoying

camn im ignoring you now because i think you are town and paying attention to you is making me angry

I dont like the RC wagon. I think those arguments are bad and I think, actually, that you just strengthened my town read on Tyco RC

[TheTrollie]

oh i forgot i quoted that post...i was gonna get in it but we're too fragile to start another fight

[TheTrollie]

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

I see how it is.

@Trollie: Tell me what your thoughts are on Lone Wolf's protection of you, because you seemed to have conveniently avoided that.

lone wolf is protecting me?

[TheTrollie]

ye i kinda am

[TheTrollie]

ill iso the fucker now

[TheTrollie]

Get everybody and their stuff together

ok

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2

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VOTE: Tails

The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

Unvote:
Vote: RadiantCowbells

Damn caught on page 1....

Sorry Trollie

Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.

I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.

shits and giggles

And I'm sure his getting an extra vote to put him in the lead had nothing to do with it...

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

Vigilante target #1: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: Amihan
Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.

I have no observation like that, but this is the page top of the THIRD page, so NOW I can say that I'm town.

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Amihan and Aneninen confirmed not scum together, remember this future self.

this checks out.

can't pass this up

VOTE: camn

<3

Unvote:
Vote: RadiantCowbells

Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.

I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.

can't pass this up

VOTE: camn

<3

@TheLoneWolf - what's your current read on RadiantCowbells?

Can't really penetrate his motives at the moment, but I'd be fine if that was a real wagon that took off.

aka leaning scum

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

I see how it is.

@Trollie: Tell me what your thoughts are on Lone Wolf's protection of you, because you seemed to have conveniently avoided that.

i just quoted the whole ISO and I dont think he protects me once

[TheTrollie]

after Cowbells look at Trollie.

TheTrollie

the fuck is pre-game talk?

We've gone over this one post a hundred times. I would categorize it under "WTF" given TheTrollie's join date.

2 unexplained town-reads of Tails and RadiantCowbells (post 166).

RC is town
Tails is probtown

EE & Aero could easily be scum

Suspicious of Snarky and Amihan

Show me how you got to these reads. You've just got into the game but still managed to rattle off more reads than anyone else

I am going to say that I read Camn as town, but I can see some scumplay about his/her (ill check after i post this and note for next time) play, I just don't think its actually coming from scum motives. That may change as I get a better read. Keeping an eye out.

This is a fence-sit, but in this case not scum-indicative as TheTrollie is still in the process of catching up. I.e his position on camn will be weak/incomplete.

1. I am town
2. I am usually right

Does this mean I'm not gonna get

an actual answer

from you on why you are voting SS?

...and how about an explanation on your reads (post 166)

idk...maybe you are scum actually but

I need u to get off me

and start talking about other people so I can figure it out

so go do that

TheTrollie wants breathing space - null (as stated above TheTrollie is still in catch-up mode).

The flip...

idk...maybe you are scum actually

The flop...

camn im ignoring you now because i think you are town

OK -

I need TheTrollie to fully catch-up so I can gauge the sincerity of his reads - WITH REASONS

(they feel vapour thin atm).

VOTE: lonewolf

[TheTrollie]

goddamnit...why do i always forget i quoted shit

[TheTrollie]

Like I see what you're trying to get at it, and I know I'm biased because I have my role pm but- there's connecting dots that aren't there (Look he's scum with Trollie by defending him!) and then there's stretching cases in order to get a mislynch (He's voting everyone that voted Trollie! Patterns!)

The latter is more forced and less reasonable. I mean its been a few years but do people really think scum act that way with their buddies?

UNVOTE: WOLF

whaaaa?

Let me show the real version of my thought process:

Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.

Tails vote is basically RVS with me ignoring the so called "Trollie slip" since I thought it was a town slip.

Explained RC vote.

camn's push on Trollie feels off, mostly because I'd expect other competent town players to be reading Trollie the same as myself.

Camn is town. That is a bad wagon.

Now that you've made it impossible for me to not read your ISO as you defending me, I need more info. sounds like there is a lot of it, but you can start with why you read me as town.

[TheTrollie]

i changed my mind. I don't need you to explain anything.

I <3 u just the way you are

[TheTrollie]

anemin is different than aero right?

I wanna vote aero

[TheTrollie]

Let's get one thing straight because it is important

TheTrollie:

* Weird Unexplained townread on RC, which also makes zero sense with his Tails townread.

This was explained. the first was the unabashed sheeping he was doing on tails. The second was another interaction with *i thought* tails but now I cannot find it. Actually I might be thinking of the 2 separate times that happened, one where he immediately switched his vote to me, and the other when he said like "yeah thats 100% what i was thinkin yo"

why does it not make sense with my tails town read? I think tails is town for asking the dude to switch and Tyco is town for so unabashedly switching

* Trollie answers an entire post from camn calling him out, by saying "you're annoying!" and ignoring the rest.

that post was 100% tunnelvision and confirmation bias so, yes, i ignored it

* "I don't like the RC wagon because the arguments are bad"

see above

* Post 234, where Trollie posts Wolf's entire ISO and says "it checks out" after being asked about his thoughts on Wolf. This is a weird-ass interaction

this is a misrepresentation of what I did. I posted the entire ISO to show that he was not defending me, then I realized he was defending me a bit. BUT, what I said checks out was the SPECIFIC post in the ISO that i wrote "this checks out" under. "This checks out" was written in the MIDDLE of the ISO, look again. What checked out was the interaction he was pointing out, and i can explain why later if you quote that interaction because I'm not wasting more of my time by going to find it. I already woke up late today.

* General unwillingless to give detailed comments about really anything; strange reactions with no real motivations in general.

hows that for detailed.

Now I would like to fucking vote someone at some point in this game but yall need to get off my ass so i dont feel like i need to prevent this horrible wagon on me in order to do so.

[TheTrollie]

@EVERYONE

- I have had access to a Night 0 Census. I have been told that there are

8

Town Win Cons in the game and

5

non-town win conditions.

go fuck yourself Reck

[TheTrollie]

Oh, it's L–1.

Okay.
I'm Neighbour with someone.
If I got the Map I could learn the alignment of my Neighbour.
But, we did a little trick. We tried to post our Map condition at the same time. I was slow because I was from mobile. My Neighbour posted it first.
So, unless the scum-PR contains a fake for the Map condition, my Neighbour is town.

If you die we won't know who your neighbor is cause you didn't say who it is smart guy

Someone slipped that happy scumday. It did not appeared here. It must have appeared elsewhere. Time zones. Just an idea.

the fuck do all of these mean??????

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: camn

[TheTrollie]

I fucked up. I thought Camn was town.

Camn is scum. Camn & partner were told my role in their results last night and now I need a protective role on me tonight.

[TheTrollie]

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SOMEONE UNVOTE AERO RIGHT NOW

I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF THERE IS A CLAIMED GUILTY ON HIM.

WE HAVE 2 SEPARATE CLAIMS AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THEM BEFORE WE LYNCH ONE OF THEM ON PAGE 2 OF THE DAY WITHOUT EVERYONE WEIGHING IN.

I AM 90% DEAD TONIGHT UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER PROTECTIVE ROLE IN THE GAME SO WE ALL NEED TO STOP THIS QUICKLYNCH RIGHT THE FUCK NOW AND

TALK ABOUT SHIT

[TheTrollie]

let me make sure someone sees that

SOMEONE UNVOTE AERO

EVEN IF HES SCUM WE ARE NOT MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THIS OUT

[TheTrollie]

i dont have time today for this. literally can consider me

v/la until tomorrow

so fix this and in case you fools fuck this up what I can say right now is that I have an investigative role and if I investigate certain scum, two members of the scum team are told my role and identity.

I got a guilty on camn and was told that he and one of his scum partners now know my role and identity.

I investigated camn BECAUSE i had a town read on him, so I thought I would enter the day with conftown and no one knowing my role

I was wrong.

NOW, I do not want to run camn up, because apparently there is another guilty result.

but get aero off of L-1

[TheTrollie]

Ok, just this and then i HAVE TO GET OFF FOR THE DAY.

You can stop pretending that I'm fakeclaiming this guilty and start dying.

Honestly, I am 50/50 on this being a fakeclaim. RC brings up fakeclaiming first. Also note that if scum, RC probably knows I'm about to come in here and claim a result on Camn. I think that would be a really really big gambit but It's possible. More likely this is real or a totally fake claim, but I'm not sure why he wouldnt be letting up then when i have CONFIRMED SCUM and not CONFIRMED NOT TOWN.

VOTE: RC

Yea, you don't have a guilty, because

A) My role PM is town
and
B) Why ask me to claim if you really had a guilty on me in the first place? Piss off.

This sounds pretty good to me honestly. Aero is, in general, doing a good job with this whether hes pulling out of his ass or not.

anyone have experience with aero under the gun?

I know we have more protective roles so I'll take jailkeeper on me.

Thanks in advance you won't regret it

how does he know and why jailkeeper. this is sketchy as fuck. That being said, I need a protective role on me as scum knows my actual role and ID. I would obviously rather no jailkeeper but itll do.

Ok, here's something else that doesn't make sense to me, RC.

You've been spending your time concerning yourself with whether you think I'm a third party or a group scum; you keep saying that you'd rather lynch group scum. Even that if I had rolled a 3P role, you would consider not lynching me quite yet. Fine, fair.


But then, Trollie comes in here

confirming Camn as group scum

. Why on earth wouldn't you take that lynch over me, if you really were doing what you said you were doing?

YES. what i said above. (note, im not defending Aero, i just want us to NOT QUICKLYNCH TODAY)

I have a guilty on you.
You can play 'pretend that RC is just fakeclaiming' all you want but I have a guilty on you.
I don't understand why you think that you're worming your way out of this.

See, here's the thing though;

You don't.

It's impossible.


So you're either scum, or just really, really arrogant town who thinks they can fake that sort of shit. And I really, really hate it when people do that, so if you're town I'm going to lose my shit in postgame.

again, i think this is really good.

Not sure what I am reading here... Two Cop claims? Seems like a lot of cops. But I'm with Cowbells on this...

VOTE: Aeronaut

UGH, DUHHHH, since the other cop is claiming you scum.

Also, trollie is incorrect about me hearing anything about him last night. My first instinct is lying scum.... But that seems too bold. Maybe busdriven?
In any event, I don't know his role.

note that (a) he doesnt say "im not scum" he says "i didnt hear anything from him last night" (b) who the fuck cares if he heard anythign or not, doesnt change my guilty result

BAI

[TheTrollie]

thnx

tty tomorrow fellas and madams

[TheTrollie]

Ha ha- I will actually counterclaim Aeronaut

ON FLAVOR

.

>I< Am Leia Organa.

Dont believe me? I wrote it in my first post.

Spoiler: bolded for emphasis

O

mg we started finally.

R

ight now I'm in vegas...

G

oing home this morning.

A

fter my flight I can sort out the rvs.

N

ot now tho.

A

ching head.

VOTE: radiantcowbells

on principal.

He is no jedi.

New theory, they are both scum, and organa was given to both scum factions as a safe claim

Camn is confirmed either SNOKE or KYLO REN from my results last night

[TheTrollie]

No. Fuck off venmar.

We are lynching Aeronaut today; no questions.

Now fuck you too buddy, how about you give me a reason to believe you before you act like I should take you for granted

Yes.

I have confscum result we Lynch that before sk

not sure I like the whole leia pre-claim thing, though. :/

What don't you like about it?
The fact that I am Leia from post #1, but Aeronaut just thought it up a second ago?

The fact that aero is 3pm and had the Leigh claim
The fact that camn crumbled in such a redic convoluted way

Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later

Camn is 100% scum. 100% snoke or ren. I'd like either of those gone before night phase

[TheTrollie]

Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later

Ha ha.
I'm glad to be let in on such a profound secret.
It turns out every player in every game might need to claim later.

I'm actually suspicious of anyone who DOESN'T crumb!
It's because they want to be able and FAKE claim later.

Anyway, I won't bore you with a history lesson... But crumbing is a thing. It is not really alignment indicitave, but it reflects either truth, or a commitment to a fake claim.
And mine was not actually very convoluted at all. It was simple and obvious, which is fine cuz its just flavor.

+1 on replacement.
If I were scum, I would have killed him last night.

(a) there is NO WAY that camn works in this convenient crumb without it being so that he can safe claim it later. There are clearly safe claims that anti-town factions have and we have confirmation that anti-town players from 2 separate groups (most likely) are both claiming the same role.

(b) Camn says that if he didn't crumb it'd be suspicious because he would have the opportunity to FAKE CLAIM later. in a scenario where claiming LEIA would not have been beneficial to camn, she could would have been able to claim something else. NO ONE HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE "OMG but the first letter of each of the words of your first post spell ORGANA, OMG I CAUGHT YOU"

Camn is confirmed either SNOKE or KYLO REN from my results last night

To confirm:
How do you know the scum-flavours/role?
Is this speculation or is this from your role pm/investigations?
Can you paraphrase the "results".

This is not speculation, it is inherent to my role/results. I have intel based on the mechanics of my role, and my results last night that Camn can only be one of those two.

I am not saying I trust Aero but since I know for a damn fact that Camn is one of the two most likely most powerful scum PRs that is where the lynch NEEDS to be today.

[TheTrollie]

We should probably figure out who Camn's buddy is and have Aero shoot them.

Has Aero flavor claimed yet?

[TheTrollie]

^thats the most questionable post ive read so far.
and ive read one page.

I agree

^thats the most questionable post ive read so far.
and ive read one page.

Really?

Normally this would be the best time to go the blood for the blood god route but given Aero's reaction to RC's play he can't be trusted to act sensibly toward his win con.

Less kills, more townies alive, etc.

I wanted to lynch group-scum today but this is an excellent point, we could narrow down the NK's to a single kill.

Let's keep Aeronaut away from L-1 for now though. SnarkySnowman keeps promising his thoughts then disappears. Venmar too, when he re-appeared he was shot down by RadiantCowbells.

(1) less kills more townies alive is not completely true, he could target scum.
(2)

KYLO REN

and

SUPREME EMPEROR SNOKE

are very likely to be the most powerful Scum Power Roles.

[TheTrollie]

dude protective role is gonna be on me tonight so u can chill

[TheTrollie]

We should probably figure out who Camn's buddy is and have Aero shoot them.

Has Aero flavor claimed yet?

I don't understand why I can't just shoot Camn?


It's like cheetory is trying to break my heart :c

what? because we are lynching camn

[TheTrollie]

you think lyncher and SK and traitor in a 13 player game?

im gonna die tonight you assholes

lynch Camn tomorrow you fucking idiots

[TheTrollie]

RC is sketchy for being so sure of himself

venmar is town i think, but anyone on the aero wagon should be a prime suspect for camn's scumbuddy

[TheTrollie]

oh yeah i guess ur right. well then i hope im alive to see tomorrow

[TheTrollie]

Here's the thing:

IF Camn is scum...
Trollie is scum.

i cannot stand Tyco RC right now.
Has not made any sense at all since the beginning of this dayphase

[TheTrollie]

we can lynch aero so i can stay alive till tomorrow if everyone is happy to do that?

[TheTrollie]

also hold up, was rc fakeclaiming a guilty on aero or what?
am i missing something?

RadiantCowbells' first claim (cop-type):

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

RadiantCowbells' final claim (tracker):

Nope, you killed Tails.

No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.

And you claimed a non visiting role.

good point

Venmar is pretty town because of the census ability and his play surrounding that.

I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.

this is really not good "I'm town for reasons stated by the dead" is not a town way to argue you are town.

I think that it is much more likely Trollie is misinformed.
As I have mentioned, I think this is a complicated setup, and I don't think that follow-the-cop is the way to play it.
Part of the reason I keep pointing out the possibility of simple misinformation is to avoid a reflexive Trollie lynch after my flip.

These points interest me.

However, there is a strong reliance of there being a scum-miss-information power role.

Would xRECKONERx weaken our cop even more (even though we are already up against 5 scum) with an added miss-information PR? The mod has already confirmed there is no bastard element.

May I remind you all that we already had a MILLER flip - MILLER + Cop investigates guilty, cop's ID gets reported to scum faction is a pretty damn weak investigative cohort in the game.

[TheTrollie]

UNVOTE: camn

I want to hear more about TheTrollie's character.
Character claim please.

I've really liked Key but this is just blatent fishing.

I've already told you shitloads more than I wanted to about my role.

[TheTrollie]

Really wanted to re-read today and the intention still is to do so. but in doing that I realized something STINKS about the RC/AERO interaction today.
Side Note: before I get into this, I just want to say that the next thing on my list is looking at Camn, Aero, and RC interactions on Day 1 because oddly, THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER ALL THE TIME on Day 1

Ok, so to this terrible RC claim:

Spoiler: After figuring out what Amman’s flip means, RC Asks Aero to claim

Aeronaut claims.

Spoiler: But then he says, nvm, it doesn’t matter what Aero claims because Aero must be either scum or 3p, and then places a vote

actually fuck it 3p are bad anyway.

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Spoiler: his claim was that he got a result that said that Aero was not town - who cares about the claim, he needs to be lynched anyway in this case

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

Spoiler: Aero points out that the first post, demanding a claim from Aero prior to saying any results, doesn’t really make sense if RC has a guilty result

VOTE: RCB) Why ask me to claim if you really had a guilty on me in the first place? Piss off.

Like, that makes zero sense. You wouldn't need a claim because you would know it already.

There are 5 (5) scum and apparently only 1 (1) scum faction.

I'm in no rush to lynch 3ps that can likely win with town.

If this is your reaction though, bye.

that looks like main faction scum rxn anyway.

That literally answers zero parts of my question.

Why ask for my claim if you're trying to tell us you knew it anyway? That doesn't help shit and you know it.

I don't know your claim

... but why would it matter to town-you ?

Because you might be third party and not scum!

But this heavily implies that you're not.

Spoiler: Then Aero claims Beloved Princess, and RC says, “you might want to change that”

Last chance to not claim beloved princess.

Last chance to change anything about your claim before I hardclaim Aero.

Spoiler: RC says the reason he’s asking Aero to change his claim is because he’s not a cop but that his result confirms Aero is scum given the Beloved Princess claim

Alright, for clarity's sake, I'm not a cop.
However: I DO have a guilty that his claim has confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So, he's still scum.

That I wasn't a cop?

Then you shouldn't have claimed something that confirms yourself as scum.

Spoiler: reason is he tracked Aero to Tails

No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.

And you claimed a non visiting role.

Specifically to Tailz.

Spoiler: people, including aero, ask RC why he isn’t even considering my result/voting camn, his response is that he has a confirmed guilty

I have a confirmed guilty and I'm refusing to look at whether or not other people might be scum.

EGAD THE HUMANITY.

Spoiler: aero caves in saying he’s SK, but also that he killed Amihan and not tails (though that comes pretty late after the SK claim for someone saying they want to be pro-town by admitting 3p

Fine. Fuck it. I need to study desperately, and this is really impeding on that.

I claim serial killer.

And to be honest, I literally didn't visit Tails last night. I killed Amihan because he was seriously town and seriously onto me. So RC is a lying fuck about that. And that's why I've been pushing that.

BUT HERE’S THE THING. If RC is a tracker who tracked Aero to Tails, and knew Aero was scum after Aero claimed Beloved Princess

Spoiler: then why did he go at daybreak from asking Aero to claim (consistent with his final claim) immediately to saying “nvm It doesn’t matter, I know Aero is either Mafia or 3p” (Inconsistent with the final claim that he knows aero is scum only because he claimed a non-visitor role)

Aeronaut claims.

actually fuck it 3p are bad anyway.

Aero is not town aligned.

VOTE: Aeronaut

well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.

ok so here we go:

Spoiler: RC pushes a Trollie-lyncher theory HARD, with seemingly weird assumptions about game setup

No. Fuck off venmar.

We are lynching Aeronaut today; no questions.

Now fuck you too buddy, how about you give me a reason to believe you before you act like I should take you for granted

Yes.

I have confscum result we Lynch that before sk

not sure I like the whole leia pre-claim thing, though. :/

What don't you like about it?
The fact that I am Leia from post #1, but Aeronaut just thought it up a second ago?

The fact that aero is 3pm and had the Leigh claim
The fact that camn crumbled in such a redic convoluted way

Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later

Camn is 100% scum. 100% snoke or ren. I'd like either of those gone before night phase

I think this is lyncher.

Actually pretty sure Trollie is lyncher at this point.

Just trying to figure out who would be lyncher on Princess Leia.

(flavour wise)

I feel like it would make more sense if it was on Han Solo, and Kylo Wren were the lyncher.

And he visited Tails.
Stop with your awful speculation.
Trollie's guilty is shady as fuck. His role makes literally no sense. Like, flavour cop friendly neighbour whaaat?
And he's been going absolutely batshit crazy trying to get the lynch done today. He obsessed over Camn yesterday too, if you look back.
5 anti town makes 1 lyncher 1 SK 1 traitor 2 main faction scum make a ton of sense.

Now stahp.

Trollie has claimed some bizarre conglomerate of crazy roles. Inconsistent but entirely damning guilty. check.
Trollie is going batshit crazy trying to push the lynch on her today. check.
Trollie has only focused on her slot for pretty much the entire game. check.

If Camn were my parter and guiltied I would bus her. What's the point in me picking a fight with some jacked up self confirmable super cop?
She may be scum perhaps, but Aero just said that scum don't have safe claims.
I think Trollie is way sketchier than Camn is.

my reasoning is that youd not be a tracker if you were scum.
ive made that really clear.
now get off your high horse without even trying to understand what ive been saying.

THEN why wouldn't I know who WE killed and just name the OTHER person?

So here is my theory:
RC is a Lyncher on Aero. The claim literally doesn’t make sense - it is pieced together and wrangled to fit the back and forth.

Camn is confirmed First Order aligned (Not sure if I shared that yet, didn’t think it was as important as my knowledge of the actual character role until now). It makes sense that Amihan was First Order as well due to flavor.

Spoiler: RC only claimed a guilty on Aero after he clarified last nights results

Can you walk me through what Amihan's flip means?

Is that a faction, is he a survivor, what?

So he's a [faction=survival] [role=traitor]?

Interesting that RC then claims he tracked Aero to Tails. I think this is a shot in the dark, figuring that scum might know their Traitor-buddy and figuring that scum Aero would not kill his own faction. Why? not sure, could be that RC knows Aero’s flavor and assumes he has a kill ability or something. It seems like most of our roles include some information about game set-up.

my proposal

Is to lynch RC today. High chance he is either 3p Lyncher or scum due to his play today. He has not been town because he is giving zero credence to my claim, only pushing a lynch on Aero. He also tries to get people off of a camn wagon for really like no reason at all, is uninterested in talking about the pros and cons of lynching SK v. confirmed powerful scum.

Tonight, Aeronaut shoots camn.

If Camn and/or buddies or Aero kill me, thats fine we lynch camn tomorrow, and DO NOT listen to wifom bullshit because my cop ability is already very weak given the existence of a miller and the fact that my role and results dictate that I targeted Snoke or Ren, and that Snoke & Ren now know my role because of that, which is a very weak investigative role and it wasn’t bus-driven or some stupid shit. Plus, I just realized that my results actually exclude the possibility of a bus driver because I was told that I targeted either snoke or Ren, otherwise they wouldn't have been told my role, which I know they were told. (to clarify, if i targeted R2D2, for example, and was bus driven to Snoke, my role dictates explicitly that R2D2 would be told my role, but Camn is claiming that he got no information about my role which means he is not town which got bussed to scum)

If Camn is dead by morning, we lynch Aero tomorrow, if camn is not dead by morning, Aero has to explain or be strung up tomorrow morning.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
That is my plan.

[TheTrollie]

There are 5 (5) scum and apparently only 1 (1) scum faction.

I'm in no rush to lynch 3ps that can likely win with town.

If this is your reaction though, bye.

That literally answers zero parts of my question.

Why ask for my claim if you're trying to tell us you knew it anyway? That doesn't help shit and you know it.

I don't know your claim

... but why would it matter to town-you ?

Because you might be third party and not scum!

But this heavily implies that you're not.

It is confirmed to me.

[TheTrollie]

oops, forget those quotes, those must have been left over from the long post i did before

[TheTrollie]

I know my plan, which is to leave both guilty claims alone for the night is sorta crazy, but it is I believe the best strategy. given the number of anti-town factions and win-cons in this game.

[TheTrollie]

not answering this stupid fucking discussion

[TheTrollie]

an aero lynch is out of the question.

Here is lynch order

(1) RC
(2) Camn
(3) Aero

That is all

[TheTrollie]

ok, you guys are actually right.
VOTE: camn

RC is a Lyncher or some sort of anti-town role though. Mark my words. Read my entire post and ignore the lyncher claim and you will see that his cop claim makes no sense. So a nonsense cop claim on D2, which is a cop claim until I claim cop and then becomes a tracker who tracked the SK to the WRONG VICTIM, and who randomly gets the idea that I am a lyncher and defends scum to do that...THAT IS A LYNCHER I'M CALLING IT RIGHT NOW

So Aero you should shoot RC since he is your lyncher.

[TheTrollie]

then I die tonight,

if aero kills RC we lynch aero,
if aero doesnt kill RC, we still lynch aero, but lynch RC right after

[TheTrollie]

why is rc a priority lynch in your mind if hes a lyncher?
that makes no sense.

(a) thats why i changed my vote, because I guess you guys are right and a lyncher wincon is not mutually exclusive with town (but who knows with reck)
(b) If we lynch camn, Lyncher RC doesnt win yet anyway
(c) He isn't anymore. he's now 3rd after camn, aero, RC

[TheTrollie]

you not feeling good about me is stupid, if you dont feel good about me kill me tonight, but know that you are waisting your kill because scum needs to kill me as they know my role.

[TheTrollie]

ugh, im so over this. can we just lynch camn

to put my entire results claim in one post:

I am an investigative role and Snoke & Ren are confirmed mafia to me. If I target snoke or ren, I get a guilty, and that person is told my rolename and power (thus, preventing any bus driver from having fucked it up, because Camn explicitly stated she got no message from the mod, which, if she were town, she could not say because I know she was sent this message).

My results indicated that (a) Camn is snoke or ren, (b) camn was told my rolename and power

Lets go people

[TheTrollie]

So, camn's explanation was fucked up by camn herself, because she could have made a viable plea that my action was redirected IF she were like

"uhhh, i dont get why but, uhhh, for some reason i got a message about trollie last night doiiiii"

[TheTrollie]

So, camn's explanation was fucked up by camn herself, because she could have made a viable plea that my action was redirected IF she were like

"uhhh, i dont get why but, uhhh, for some reason i got a message about trollie last night doiiiii"

wouldnt the hypothetical message also be redirected..?

because of my role/results i know that the person i targeted last night and got a result on is the one who got the message, not hypothetically a person i was bussed to.

also if scum have supposedly received your role, why are you hiding it?

because there are clearly multiple scum factions and I dont want them to know

[TheTrollie]

its within the realm of possibility that someone has a wincon specific to my role

[TheTrollie]

are you absolutely 100% positive that a bus drive wouldnt fuck up anything about what youre saying right now?

yes 100% sure that my role/results preclude that ability. The reasoning is very specific to the wording of my role/results so i cannot say anything more than that without quoting

You claim to only be a threat to Snokes / Kylo Ren.

Why would any OTHER scum factions that may or may not exist give a fuck about you?

just putting this here again so its next to what its answering: i think my role hypothetically could be part of someone elses wincon...actually, let me pray on this for a bit and get back to you

Also calling me a lyncher makes 0 sense when my target has already scumclaimed.
Also his whole 'LYNCH RC VIG CAMN' shpiel sort of makes sense as lyncher since he knows that I'm not getting fucking lynched and it allows him to say HEY IM NOT LYNCHER I WANTED RC LYNCHED CAMN VIGGED!

A BAD BAD BAD Day 2 cop claim that turns into a tracker claim once another investigative role comes out screams lyncher

[TheTrollie]

Also calling me a lyncher makes 0 sense when my target has already scumclaimed.
Also his whole 'LYNCH RC VIG CAMN' shpiel sort of makes sense as lyncher since he knows that I'm not getting fucking lynched and it allows him to say HEY IM NOT LYNCHER I WANTED RC LYNCHED CAMN VIGGED!

A BAD BAD BAD Day 2 cop claim that turns into a tracker claim once another investigative role comes out screams lyncher

listen. i retract my lyncher idea for the rest of the day because

that is not important to my point

my point is that you aren't the role you claim you are
and aero also probably isnt an SK for basically claiming he killed a different person than you tracked him to but like not really making that a big deal, because i think it is

[TheTrollie]

note how camn continually ignores my claims.

[TheTrollie]

venmar, Gork, Eagle, Keyser

the lynch needs to be on camn today. If we don't lynch camn today we/you go into D3 with a shitstorm of WIFOM.

I cannot see an argument for why lynching and flipping claimed SK/3p on D2 is better than lynching someone who is confirmed in a mafia faction - unless you do not believe my claim for some reason.

(side note: I specifically am asking these four because they interested in having this dicusion, whereas the others refuse to engage in this discourse and are deadset on an aero lynch, but if I'm wrong this is really to everyone other than Aero, RC, and Camn...though RC if you want to come to your senses and have this discussion, as I have been willing to have all day, please join)

[TheTrollie]

Holy fuck that's a load of bullshit.

What information are you saying I have?

[TheTrollie]

are you claiming i had a QT with amihan????

[TheTrollie]

Thats cool Aero
Good info.

No need for camn to claim in light of this or any of that to be sorted out otday

I want you all to remember how sketchy this post was when you decide who to lynch D4, after Camn flips Snoke today and Aero flips Ren tomorrow.

[TheTrollie]

I'm half way through my 2 week fast from drinking BITCHES!!!!

[TheTrollie]

http://www.corerhythmfitness.net/the-shred/

[TheTrollie]

You all should know btw that I have no QT nor do u have role info except that there kylo and snoke exist and are Mafia (results info obviously adds to that)

[TheTrollie]

I am Rey,

I can force sense for Kylo & Snoke, both mafia, but when I hit them, they are made aware of my presence and identity.

Camn came back as one of those two, and got a result this morning telling her about the fact that I am Rey.

Can we lynch camn now?

[TheTrollie]

What if Lynching Aero activates his switch to mafia?

[TheTrollie]

then we've wasted...oh nvm that cant be

[TheTrollie]

Thoughts:
It is actually possible that an aero lunch switches his alignment.
He claims he didn't get told what switched it...

Camn is tomorrow's lynch no matter what. No Wifom bullshit if I die tonight, trust me.

Bus driver is ruled out because camn said he got no message on my role last night and that is inconsistent with the rhetoric of my results. If he was town he would have admitted to receiving a message last night about my role.

RC could also be scum, but the buddying Camn is doing makes that fuzzy

Lone wolf has been nothing but anti town, giving scum camn an out to not claim. (see higher in my iso for that quote)


We have three lies of claims:
(a) camn who claims to he Leia when he is kylo or snoke
(b) aero who claims to have some results that I had a QT with amihan
(c) RC who claimed tracker after acting as if he had cop results for

[TheTrollie]

I'm trying to figure out if aero/camn team makes any sense.

I don't think it does because aero would never confirm himself scum (whether 3p or traitor or whatever) after my guilty result on camn. One of them would have to stay alive.

So unless it's multiball, he isn't Mafia.

P-edit: don't you guys think whichever of the two scum we lynch today we need to make camn (fake)claim?

[TheTrollie]

well this is just grrrrreat

the fuck we do now.

[TheTrollie]

OK heres the deal.

I think there could conceivably be another member of the first order mafia, though idk maybe thats insane.

Snowman has to full claim right now.

[TheTrollie]

we dont need to massclaim we just need snowman to claim ...he might have to be the lynch today to keep him out of tomorrow. actually i think he does have to be the lynch today

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: Trollie

Definitely a slip.

Also I am a hated townie just fyi. Takes 2 less votes to lynch me.

Mm, I'm in favor of a massclaim. Since I claimed most of it earlier, I'll full claim now.

Oh my! I'm C-3PO, Human-Cyborg relations! And like I said, it takes 1 less than the majority of votes to lynch me because I'm a hated townie.

want to try that again?

[TheTrollie]

which is the typo?

[TheTrollie]

Yeah based on Keyser's point about there likely being 2 scum roles still out there i think we have to kill snowman. but I want him back on here before I (potentially) hammer.

if he is alive tomorrow and the other two scum are teammates, we're not in good shape.

But

venmar

you should unvote. we need to use today more wisely than quicklynching

[TheTrollie]

since Aero flipped kylo, i investigated camn again so that today if he was still alive i wouldnt have to hear any stupid wifom about how he got bus driven.

My role can't detect any other scum so i'm sorta useless now

[TheTrollie]

Take a look at your keyboard.

What button is next to 1?

Hint: It's 2

Typos happen

which is the typo?

you gonna answer me?

[TheTrollie]

Game is way too easy

enlighten us?

[TheTrollie]

Alive:
Aeronaut
Still alive:
Me

Gorkington - town
Keyser Söze - probtown
Venmar - unsure

SnarkySnowman - got questions coming your way in the next post

Extrapolated Eagle - gotta look at

TheLoneWolf - post more - do something please

[TheTrollie]

SNARKY

So you are C3-PO, hated townie - not sure I understand that flavor...ok.

And you are telling me that in Post 1 you accidentally pressed the "2" button instead of the "1" button on your keyboard, and you did not realize until I pointed it out on Day 3?

[TheTrollie]

How are you unsure about me, I recall you calling me town several times in the past.

you sure as hell weren't mafia, and i'm pretty sure you arent SK. But I'm not convinced you couldnt be some other 3p yet.

the fact that my strongest town read thinks your scum also requires me to re-think you.

[TheTrollie]

Alive:
Aeronaut

Forget this...i must have accidentally pasted that in from the OP

[TheTrollie]

Your strongest town read thinks that I am the SK yet you are pretty sure I am not a SK...?

Come on Trollie

you don't need to lobby for my townread. There is a 0% chance I join a venmar wagon today anyway.

Eagle is probtown

[TheTrollie]

We need to put pressure on Wolf. He's as bad of a person to have alive tomorrow as Snowboy unless he starts talking.

I'll start

lonewolf

Speak. If this game is too easy, tell me why. Who is scum remaining? who is town? What do you have to say about you're horrible read on camn?

[TheTrollie]

I will entertain a popcorn when I hear from Snowman & LoneWolf on my requests and no sooner.

[TheTrollie]

in all seriousness though, i want to gamebreak this shit.
trollie is town af so im willing to entertain him questioning people before a massclaim but i want it before we lynch.

<3

[TheTrollie]

lol

[TheTrollie]

yeah this is like watching paint dry.

come on snowman and lonewolf, we are all waiting on you

[TheTrollie]

SNARKY

So you are C3-PO, hated townie - not sure I understand that flavor...ok.

And you are telling me that in Post 1 you accidentally pressed the "2" button instead of the "1" button on your keyboard, and you did not realize until I pointed it out on Day 3?

We need to put pressure on Wolf. He's as bad of a person to have alive tomorrow as Snowboy unless he starts talking.

I'll start

lonewolf

Speak. If this game is too easy, tell me why. Who is scum remaining? who is town? What do you have to say about you're horrible read on camn?

Putting this here so you see it even if you only read this page.

[TheTrollie]

in the meantime, can we talk about how non-sensical it was for Aero to claim scum knowing there was a guilty on his scumpartner...i do not follow that strat whatsoever. very curious to hear what they were thinking

[TheTrollie]

SNARKY

So you are C3-PO, hated townie - not sure I understand that flavor...ok.

And you are telling me that in Post 1 you accidentally pressed the "2" button instead of the "1" button on your keyboard, and you did not realize until I pointed it out on Day 3?

We need to put pressure on Wolf. He's as bad of a person to have alive tomorrow as Snowboy unless he starts talking.

I'll start

lonewolf

Speak. If this game is too easy, tell me why. Who is scum remaining? who is town? What do you have to say about you're horrible read on camn?

Want to keep this on most recent page lol.

Re: Venmar, think you could be right actually, i forgot the traitor could deflect. Also my role may suggest other first order players because it does state ill only get a guilty on snoke and kylo.

Key and Eagle are not like deftown right now but i dont care about them or either of you until we sort out these other two

Putting this here so you see it even if you only read this page.

[TheTrollie]

oops...read in the quots above

[TheTrollie]

yeah ok so heres my proposal/plan:

(1) Snarkey and LoneWolf take their sweet time getting back to me on my questions (and there are more coming, especially for wolf, so hurry your ass up)

(2) we popcorn claim, and I will start because I've already claimed and my role is all but verified to everyone
I'll start with

LoneWolf

only because I don't want to wait 4 years after he gets back on here to continue with the popcorning. so when you are answering all my other questions, you can claim and popcorn, and then be sure to check back on this thread at your next available convenience because I have another question for you.

(3) we talk about the claims so that we go into night with that intel

(4) we (most likely) lynch Snowman because he is not town which we will get to once he gets back on this thread.

Given the recent thought that maybe there is another mafia member, we can spend this downtime looking at interactions. I also dont want the other players to slip by just because we are frustrated with the lurkers.

[TheTrollie]

yeah he def did not know his partners.

p-edit: ugh will you two just make out already

[TheTrollie]

We have to Lynch Snowman today for reasons that should be obvious.

I'll proper claim later as well as explain what made me so town to my neighbor

too bad, we all disagree

I popcorned to you so claim in full and popcorn to someone else

Here's what I would like to know: why did Pigeon think your map-mechanic proved you were town?

[TheTrollie]

Wolf... What the fuck did I just say

[TheTrollie]

(4) we (most likely) lynch Snowman because he is not town which we will get to once he gets back on this thread.

[TheTrollie]

Yo wolf what game have we been in together?

Gork u gonna popcorn?

[TheTrollie]

No doubt Snarkey is scum but I want to finish this popcorn first

[TheTrollie]

Sry on phone on subway...Hard to keep up

[TheTrollie]

I'm bored so I'm just gonna out Snarkey now...

[TheTrollie]

Nvm I gotta work out I'll out him later tonight

[TheTrollie]

Ok fine...

[TheTrollie]

Unkar plutt is fucking stupid as fuck but a terrible fakeclaim

[TheTrollie]

and with that...

snarkey is lying

Snarkey claims Day 1 that he is a hated townie that gets lynched at L-2, Day 3 he changes the story to L-1.

Mm, I'm in favor of a massclaim. Since I claimed most of it earlier, I'll full claim now.

Oh my! I'm C-3PO, Human-Cyborg relations! And like I said, it takes 1 less than the majority of votes to lynch me because I'm a hated townie.

I ask why and he says:

Take a look at your keyboard.

What button is next to 1?

Hint: It's 2

Typos happen

@Trollie, 1 is correct, 2 is a typo

So his story is that he accidentally hit the "2" button on day 1 and meant to press the 1 button, because they are so close to one another.

lies lies lies

Also I am a hated townie just fyi. Takes 2 less

votes

to lynch me.

Semantics tells a different story. If that was a typo, as he is claiming, the sentence would read "Takes 2 less

vote

to lynch me" because he claims he meant to type "Takes

1

less

vote

to lynch me."

so there was no typo, he just forgot what he said, and had to recover when i caught him scumslipping.

i am prepared to vote snarkey as soon as all have gotten a chance to weigh in on the popcorning

[TheTrollie]

N1: saw camn visit RC

what would camn be doing to RC that night? He didn't die and he got an accurate result....

[TheTrollie]

lone wolf why did you think there was a jailkeep?

AND WHAT GAME HAVE WE PLAYED IN TOGETER?

[TheTrollie]

Popcorning was a great idea. so we have:

Trollie:

Rey, Cop (Investigated Camn N1 & N2)

Snarky:

C3P0: Hated Townie

TheLoneWolf:

Poe Dameron, Neighbor

Gorkington:

Chewbacca, 1-shot vig (Shot Camn N2)

Extrapolated Eagle:

Unkarr Plutt, Roleblocker (Ami N1, Camn N2)

Venmar:

Lt. Connix, N0 Census Taker

Keyser:

BB-8, 3-shot Watcher (Camn->RC N1; Venmar->NONE N2)

take-aways

(1) Keyser's watcher claim:
What happened when Camn visited RC N1?
a) shot - possibility only if Tails protected RC N1 & Scum has a factional kill + (because RC tracked Aero to tails)

b)

Roleblock

could not have been because RC got a result on Aero (unless had map and modifier was strong willed)

c) Something else - most likley just cannot think of what it would be.

d) Key is lying

(2) Investigative craziness:
a) Trollie - cop
b) RC - Tracker
c) Key - Watcher
Weakened by TAILS - miller doctor, really only weakness - this seems too powerful which makes me worried about

key

(3) Eagle's RB:
IF Scum team was JUST Camn & Aero, then Eagle's block on Camn last night means that:

N1

AERO shoots TAILS
SK shoots AMIHAN

N2

CAMN gets RBd and cannot kill
GORK shoots CAMN
SK shoots RADIANT COWBELLS

explaining why there are 2 deaths N2, even if there is an SK (3 shots)
SK definitely wants RC-tracker dead, CAMN would want either RC or myself dead, probably more likely me since RC seemed to not buy my claim.

Alternatively, there is a 3rd mafia player who performed the factional kill last night, and/or CAMN/AERO was a Mafia 1-Shot Vig - just saying both are possibilities.

What do you think of now popcorning Map mechanics?

I am 50/50. Reck said Scum get fake PMs so they def have fake map mechanics (also meaning Wolf isn't totally in the clear fyi), but might be helpful, and not sure honestly that scum will benefit much from knowing this now???

[TheTrollie]

(1) town players do not forget whether they are L-1 or L-2 Hated
(2)the slip was not that you changed your response, the slip was that you played it off as accidentally hitting the wrong number on the keyboard when that is 100% not what happened, otherwise you wouldnt have pluralized "votes"

[TheTrollie]

Map allowed me to get a guilty without being sensed by scum
I don't think it's worth map claiming actually, scum have take ones for their fake claims so no reason to do that.

[TheTrollie]

Fucked up a Lil in my summary... Should be "no one visiting center not venmar visiting noone

[TheTrollie]

Keyser:do you detect map movement as well or just PR use?

[TheTrollie]

We pretty much have to lynch Snowman, I am convinced he is scum but if he's not hes too dangerous to keep in the game.

I've said pretty much all I'll ever want to say before the lynch in #1080 so unless anyone wants to either

(a) discuss the popcorn/my thoughts in 1080 more or
(b) disagrees with my decision to skip popcorn on the map for now

I'm pretty ready to vote Snarkey otherwise.

[TheTrollie]

Wait venmar you were popcorned too and never claimed, you just popcorned to me lol

[TheTrollie]

vote count please

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: Snarky

[TheTrollie]

what are you waiting for?

a goddamn vote count RECK

[TheTrollie]

Think we should probably popcorn night actions?

If you are game I'll popcorn to Key

[TheTrollie]

After Key, Eagle claims obv.

The Snarkey Lynch needed to happen in either case. I was not expecting that flip but it doesnt change that it was the necessary lynch

[TheTrollie]

jesus christ reck, you just gave me a heart attack.
But now we know Venmar is JESUS

[TheTrollie]

I did not expect to be alive today.


I targetted Venmar again - no one visited him.

@Extrapolated Eagle

- who did you roleblock?

why did you target venmar?

[TheTrollie]

I agree the Gork kill is pretty weird, unless they thought he was faking a 1-shot modifier
I don't see how you were a better kill target than me. I don't see how Venmar is a better kill target than me.

[TheTrollie]

wolfscum stfu

[TheTrollie]

confused

The kill breaks this game open Trollie wake the fuck up.

If I'm scum you're saying that I either left a CLAIMED WATCHER OR ROLEBLOCKER alive and killed a one shot vig instead

That's bullshit and you know it

How is that different for any other scum-player theory?

Keyser claim is BS and if you think I'm scum with him then us not killing Eagle (who is the least town person by day play in the game right now) then you've fallen far

confused...i think maybe i know what you mean but not really sure

[TheTrollie]

unfortunately I kinda believe Eagle so I guess we lynch Key or Venmar

[TheTrollie]

Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

[TheTrollie]

Yeah i need to like sit down with this. Think I agree with wolf on lynching key unfortunately

[TheTrollie]

V/LA until Friday

[TheTrollie]

For what its worth, i DO NOT think Wolf's claim/neighbor verification has any weight in his being town. Every time he brings it up I actually get even more suspicious of him.

[TheTrollie]

wait wolf unvote now

[TheTrollie]

i need u to wait to vote until i can get back on here and post again.

[TheTrollie]

I promise I have a reason

[TheTrollie]

CLARIFICATION:
LoneWolf still has to unvote, this post is not the post I am referring to above which I need to write before any votes are placed today
this is just a bit of catch up

Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

Ok So....

If Eagle is Scum then he is a roleblocker right?

IF Eagle scum is a roleblocker who does it make the most sense for him to roleblock if he's going to leave them alive?

The Watcher. He's the only person alive with an active ability that can catch scum, and there were no claimed protective roles that needed to be blocked either.

Keyser did NOT claim to be roleblocked.

Therefore, if Eagle is scum, then Keyser HAS to be as well.

But this is pointless to elaborate on because you believe Eagle's claim bc of flavor.

Eagle does not have to be roleblocker if scum, no. That being said...him being RB does answer this:

To be honest I still don't know what the hell the missing kill is about.

I almost want to say that the scum had a double NK power one night, because there's no evidence of Sk besides. It might be just some weird survivor or flavor 3rd party that has niche win conditions.

If there are two kills still going out and they both killed Gork, yeah BS.

I can see scum killing Gork thinking hes a SK

But the SK wouldn't shoot Gork no way.

Also are we ever going to claim map movement? Seems like that mechanic has done jackall

N1
AERO shoots TAILS
SK shoots AMIHAN

N2
CAMN gets RBd and cannot kill
GORK shoots CAMN
SK shoots RADIANT COWBELLS

N3
SK shoots GORK

Above assumes (a) Eagle is town and roleblocker (b) there is no 3rd mafia member (or at least not one that can use the factional kill), unless SK and that mafia member both shot gork last night which makes no sense

Heres the thing, I am not sure about (a) or (b)

If Venmar is right/telling the truth about the 5 scum then we have 2 scum left. For the above to be right only one of those can be a killing role.

Its i guess possible also that SK and CAMN both shot RC night 2.

Also, since I think all of your map abilities suck ass, I would like my map back for that second census if there is another day after this.

You want your map back? are you suggesting you've had it before?

also I want to bring back my point about the # of investigative roles claimed
me cop
RC tracker

does a key watcher in addition seem weird to ayone else?

[TheTrollie]

wolf needs to unvote key now

all but eagle has posed since the vote btw

[TheTrollie]

oh btw reason is i was roleblocked last night

[TheTrollie]

because I'm an idiot who hasn't played MS in years and I didn't remember that a cop gets a specific "not guilty" result/pm when investigating someone who doesn't register as guilty as per the investigation...

I had to look at the wiki to figure that out. *facepalm*

[TheTrollie]

i.e. i got "no result" and just assumed that meant my investigation of Eagle was that he wasn't Snoke or Kylo

[TheTrollie]

like what the fuck is this then

unfortunately I kinda believe Eagle so I guess we lynch Key or Venmar

like, as far as i am concerned, you just pulled something out of your ass

like what the fuck is this then

Only person I think is town is Trollie. Everybody else is fair game in my eyes, including wolf.

[TheTrollie]

I did not think of the fact that "no result" was different than "not guilty" at first

[TheTrollie]

What's the likelihood there is a scum roleblocker AND town RB?

[TheTrollie]

Eagle could not have claimed to have roleblocked me if he did. There is no town motivation for roleblocking the the claimed/confirmed cop.

[TheTrollie]

As far as I see it, there are 3 possible explanations

(a) Eagle is lying, he is a scum roleblocker, and he targeted me (wish I realized this earlier, would have made Eagle claim first)

(b) Eagle is lying, he has a role modifier which would mess with my investigation (because I targeted eagle-so like reflexive roleblocker)

(c) Someone else is lying, they are a scum roleblock/jailkeeper (

what other roles could prevent a cop investigation from going through?

)

If C is true, then A is probably true too though since I think a scum and town roleblocking role is strange.

If C or A, there is likely with 1 more member of the mafia team. I dont see a 3rd party blocking me.

So I think the conclusion is that we lynch Eagle today. The probability that eagle is town with these results is slim to none

[TheTrollie]

venmar

i know for certain based on role pm that a no result is not a not guilty.

[TheTrollie]

Let's wait for eagle to check in

[TheTrollie]

please prod

[TheTrollie]

Not if he's first order or reflexive
The kill was made figuring the 1shot claim was bs
The block was made figuring my limitations claim was bs

Sense a pattern?

We have a paranoid scum

[TheTrollie]

im voting eagle soon too

I passed to Gork

[TheTrollie]

@keyser use been MIA for 4 days it'd help if you could get up to speed

[TheTrollie]

i.e. i got "no result" and just assumed that meant my investigation of Eagle was that he wasn't Snoke or Kylo

As far as I see it, there are 3 possible explanations

(a) Eagle is lying, he is a scum roleblocker, and he targeted me (wish I realized this earlier, would have made Eagle claim first)

(b) Eagle is lying, he has a role modifier which would mess with my investigation (because I targeted eagle-so like reflexive roleblocker)

(c) Someone else is lying, they are a scum roleblock/jailkeeper (

what other roles could prevent a cop investigation from going through?

)

If C is true, then A is probably true too though since I think a scum and town roleblocking role is strange.

If C or A, there is likely with 1 more member of the mafia team. I dont see a 3rd party blocking me.

So I think the conclusion is that we lynch Eagle today. The probability that eagle is town with these results is slim to none

Not if he's first order or reflexive
The kill was made figuring the 1shot claim was bs
The block was made figuring my limitations claim was bs

Sense a pattern?

We have a paranoid scum

[TheTrollie]

oh god. I feel sorry for this replacement

[TheTrollie]

dwlee99 replaces Extrapolated Eagle (who is now blacklisted).

welcome to the party. Before you even catch up you need to explain how its possible I was blocked last night.

[TheTrollie]

well yeah....i guess unless hes just gonna say "im scum" it is impossible lol

[TheTrollie]

1) There is a Map to Luke Skywalker out there that every person is trying to get their hands on.
2) The Map will begin in the hands of a predetermined player.
3) Every role in the game has a special ability or modifier that activates if they have the Map.
4) If you have the Map, you must pass it to another player at night.
5) If a person is killed while they have the Map, the Map will pass to their killer.
6) If the Map holder is lynched, the person who cast the hammer vote will receive the Map and must pass it that night.

So Map resolves before killing and scum have it now I'm guessing

great

You're statement and conclusion do not line up

[TheTrollie]

hey guys, haven't read tell me if I should but I'd rather just chill and talk to peeps instead.

Well, you kinda do have to read at least today.
Here's a catchup:

Spoiler: yesterday we popcorned and here's all the claims

Popcorning was a great idea. so we have:

Trollie:

Rey, Cop (Investigated Camn N1 & N2)

Snarky:

C3P0: Hated Townie

TheLoneWolf:

Poe Dameron, Neighbor

Gorkington:

Chewbacca, 1-shot vig (Shot Camn N2)

Extrapolated Eagle:

Unkarr Plutt, Roleblocker (Ami N1, Camn N2)

Venmar:

Lt. Connix, N0 Census Taker

Keyser:

BB-8, 3-shot Watcher (Camn->RC N1; No-One->Venmar N2)

D4 note: edited from original form, i accidentally wrote this backwards yesterday

take-aways

(1) Keyser's watcher claim:
What happened when Camn visited RC N1?
a) shot - possibility only if Tails protected RC N1 & Scum has a factional kill + (because RC tracked Aero to tails)

b)

Roleblock

could not have been because RC got a result on Aero (unless had map and modifier was strong willed)

c) Something else - most likley just cannot think of what it would be.

d) Key is lying

(2) Investigative craziness:
a) Trollie - cop
b) RC - Tracker
c) Key - Watcher
Weakened by TAILS - miller doctor, really only weakness - this seems too powerful which makes me worried about

key

(3) Eagle's RB:
IF Scum team was JUST Camn & Aero, then Eagle's block on Camn last night means that:

N1

AERO shoots TAILS
SK shoots AMIHAN

N2

CAMN gets RBd and cannot kill
GORK shoots CAMN
SK shoots RADIANT COWBELLS

explaining why there are 2 deaths N2, even if there is an SK (3 shots)
SK definitely wants RC-tracker dead, CAMN would want either RC or myself dead, probably more likely me since RC seemed to not buy my claim.

Alternatively, there is a 3rd mafia player who performed the factional kill last night, and/or CAMN/AERO was a Mafia 1-Shot Vig - just saying both are possibilities.

What do you think of now popcorning Map mechanics?

I am 50/50. Reck said Scum get fake PMs so they def have fake map mechanics (also meaning Wolf isn't totally in the clear fyi), but might be helpful, and not sure honestly that scum will benefit much from knowing this now???

Today we popcorned night actions
Key claimed to watch venmar again
Eagle claimed to roleblock LoneWolf

I was an idiot rusty MS player who didn't think I had anything important but then I realized

Spoiler: I was blocked last night

oh btw reason is i was roleblocked last night

i.e. i got "no result" and just assumed that meant my investigation of Eagle was that he wasn't Snoke or Kylo

Spoiler: There is no town motivation to block me, which means if Eagle targeted me, he had to fakeclaim someone else as target

Eagle could not have claimed to have roleblocked me if he did. There is no town motivation for roleblocking the the claimed/confirmed cop.

Spoiler: Conclusion is that with high probability, Eagle/you are scum

As far as I see it, there are 3 possible explanations

(a) Eagle is lying, he is a scum roleblocker, and he targeted me (wish I realized this earlier, would have made Eagle claim first)

(b) Eagle is lying, he has a role modifier which would mess with my investigation (because I targeted eagle-so like reflexive roleblocker)

(c) Someone else is lying, they are a scum roleblock/jailkeeper (

what other roles could prevent a cop investigation from going through?

)

If C is true, then A is probably true too though since I think a scum and town roleblocking role is strange.

If C or A, there is likely with 1 more member of the mafia team. I dont see a 3rd party blocking me.

So I think the conclusion is that we lynch Eagle today. The probability that eagle is town with these results is slim to none

we have been waiting for Eagle to comment....

So take your time catching up. But honestly before Eagle disappeared I was giving him the chance to offer up a good explanation for what might have gone down last night that does not implicate him as scum.

[TheTrollie]

dwlee99, did you read my most recent post in full already?

[TheTrollie]

romeo oh romeo wherefore art though seeking quotations from romeo

[TheTrollie]

i was fake v/la last week (ended up actually getting on here)

this week im really v/la

deadlines up the wazoo

[TheTrollie]

rock is that the deadline post extension or did that not happen? Just getting off VLA now

[TheTrollie]

Dwee I'm on an airplane waiting to get off but the moment I do I'm voting for u.

I already gave u a list of claimsin a post you claimed you read

[TheTrollie]

thanks

rock

lol phone autocorrect

[TheTrollie]

dwlee

There is one and only one thing that I need from you right now

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN MY NO RESULT

I Have literally been waiting on YOUR slots explanation of this for OVER A WEEK.

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: dwlee99

[TheTrollie]

lonewolf come on put him out ofhis misery

[TheTrollie]

i wasnt told they were unlynchable the next day