(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Wassup!

[Aeronaut]

Did I have research to do?

fac

[Aeronaut]

On another note, RC and Anen are town. Aero can also be town for s's and g's.

S's and G's?

[Aeronaut]

RC are you scum?

[Aeronaut]

I mean camn put that vote on RC after I did, but you didn't call Camn out on that. Why?

[Aeronaut]

Hm.. that's fair.

This game is starting off slow AF

[Aeronaut]

Long couple of days, catching up

[Aeronaut]

Going back here:

That concept was in the latest PM. If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

I'm not sure it confirms anything regarding TheTrollie - in my eyes it's pure WIFOM atm.

Agreeing with this.

VOTE: Trollie

Definitely a slip.

Also I am a hated townie just fyi. Takes 2 less votes to lynch me.

Aaaaand putting this here so I don't forget about it later.

And quick unexplained reads never have been and never will be scummy. There's always reasons behind them. If I tell you is another matter entirely.

Well yea, gut reads are important, but if you're going to never back up your reads with anything of substance, then you're scum in my mind.

Tails wagon is still fairly awful.

And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Show me "fairly awful" - why can't there be a wagon on Tails?

It just means that you can vote tails, but RC is going to be annoying about it the whole time.

2 early players were on Trollie: me and RC. Anen starts a wagon on me. Lone Wolf jumps on for 2. Aero had voted RC. Camn shows up and adds a second vote. Lone Wolf switches to make it 3. My wagon didn't have the traction, and his vote on RC had nothing to do with the Trollie statement, as he'd have voted him in his previous post. He took 2 minutes to vote RC, which is enough time to look at the votes and switch to a larger wagon.

Ok, I can see your Trollie-LoneWolf scum narative - however, I am personally uncertain if scum would try to protect their partners on page one/RVS.

And quick unexplained reads never have been and never will be scummy.

There's always reasons behind them.

If I tell you is another matter entirely.

Well when we see flips I want you to explain these reads in full.

On that note: Snarky is town. Keyser is town for lols. And Venmar has a cool hat.

Ok, second offense of unsupported/unexplained town reads. This is ironically going in your favour now - scum-Tails doesn't even make a half-ass'd-attempt at explaining his naked reads. I.e he will choose when the time is right to explain <<< not succumbing to pressure.

UNVOTE: Tails

Wait, can you tell me where you're getting this scum-tales meta? Because otherwise it kind of looks like you're conforming to what RC says.

RC are you scum?

Is RadiantCowbells scum, Aeronaut? Where are you going with this question?

I was just curious what the response would be. There wasn't one :/

[Aeronaut]

If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

^^^
Still troubled with this...

.

VOTE: Aneninen

Yea, actually this quote alone is reason enough for a vote. Apennine is

so

ready to just say someone is definitely town for what could easily be a fake slip... there's not the paranoia there that there should be.

Unvote
Vote: Trollie

That's what I was thinking.

RC, you need to change your vote to Trollie.

Oh?

Fine.

VOTE: Trollie

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Wassup!

Hello!

Oh nothing, just the end of the world!

*laugh track*

Oh, hey! Have you done your research?

This is so out of place for you as town.

the fuck is pre-game talk?

Unvote
Vote: Trollie

Wait-oh.
That concept was in the latest PM. If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tails

This is incomplete logic. You should follow it through to tails PoV but you know this, so you're probably the other scum.

Get everybody and their stuff together

ok

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2

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VOTE: Tails

Wow lots of bad votes.

Going back here:

That concept was in the latest PM. If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

I'm not sure it confirms anything regarding TheTrollie - in my eyes it's pure WIFOM atm.

And I'm sure his getting an extra vote to put him in the lead had nothing to do with it...

Can I have names here please - are you saying 'scum' are already consciously defending/counter-attacking on page one?

That's actually relatively common. I mean it's that, ignore them, or vote for them.

Rock, paper, scissors, right?

Why did this have to start on such a busy weekend...

There's not much I want to say before reading other than that I'm town so that's boring but good! And Tails' avatar is really cool, I didn't know gifs were possible.

It didn't start, it's pregame.

There is a lot to say though, this is actually maybe closer to an actual slip. :/

VOTE: Amihan

Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.

Maybe. She did have a scary post.

VOTE: Aeninen

This is the other good place to go.

This whole post doesn't sit well with me for some reason. it's not like I really disagree with most of it, but I feel like EE is saying not very much with a lot of words. It's mostly "oh, really?" or "Possibly" but no real reactions/opinions of his own.

Actually, curious what comes of this.

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

OK. I can table the thought for now... But it seems like it is maybe something worth doing at some point.
Reck goes for complex setups that are fun to break.

You were really quick to table that thought.

Additional thoughts.... FYI, Keyser, Cowbells and I, we have been in a few games lately. So that is what's what.
Incidentally, he is probably scum this game and we should Lynch him. But not till later.

Wait, who is scum? And why would we not lynch scum right now? Both these sentences confuse me.

Also...I totally approve the Aneninen hate.
All his posts are terrible.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aneninen

Pretty generic hop-on to this wagon in my opinion.

[Aeronaut]

Again, camn?

What is it RC? use your words.

[Aeronaut]

Because EE was worse.

[Aeronaut]

Why are you still voting your RVS vote?

[Aeronaut]

Screw you all I did was state opinions.

Whatever I should be used to it by now.

Look at the freaking post, dude. Do I have to write my thoughts out in plain and simple terms? Are you like not capable of reading something and drawing a correlation between the word "nasty" and "scummy"?


PEdit have you played with him before? I thought he was just being dense, but if you think he's looking for lynchbait at least explain why?

This is kind of an overreation to one vote.

Sorry, but your post just seems to be really generic/fence-sitty to me. All those opinions, and by the end i just felt like you had said what had already been said by a lot of people.

[Aeronaut]

RC, this isn't going to be one of those games where you're allowed to get away with posting naked votes without reasoning. Sorry.

[Aeronaut]

Camn, should I not find it odd and scummy that you are unwilling to engage me here when I'd expect the first thing you'd do as town is to engage me?

It almost feels like you suggested that you be bussed in pregame but your team was on the fence about it so you guys decided that you'd stay away from me while you get your team to pressure me and lock me down.

And that's exactly what Aeronaut feels like he's doing.

Genuinely confused; how is voting you bussing from your perspective? That doesn't make sense.

Screw you all I did was state opinions.

Whatever I should be used to it by now.

Look at the freaking post, dude. Do I have to write my thoughts out in plain and simple terms? Are you like not capable of reading something and drawing a correlation between the word "nasty" and "scummy"?


PEdit have you played with him before? I thought he was just being dense, but if you think he's looking for lynchbait at least explain why?

This is kind of an overreation to one vote.

Sorry, but your post just seems to be really generic/fence-sitty to me. All those opinions, and by the end i just felt like you had said what had already been said by a lot of people.

Not an overreaction to a vote, a justified reaction to being misrepped. You don't think you're misrepping me? Then why are you backtracking right now?

Sorry I don't take kindly to being lied about even if it wasn't intentional.

Backtracking?

You seriously went from "has no opinions" to "has opinions only stated by others" Backtrack much?

1. I'm going to have opinions that other people have because we share an alignment and I was V/LA for the first two days of the game.

2. Anyways, please quote every time my opinion has already been stated by someone else and then share your read on that person.

"has no opinions" and "has opinions only stated by others" is the same; I basically said I figured since the things you said in your post were generally playing it safe / the same thing as what was the general consensus anyway, I'm going to assume you didn't have any opinions of your own.

I'll show you what I mean when I'm done responding to the rest of this.

Well, fine.

What do you think about Aeronaut?

The way he's posting really feels like he's not genuinely trying to sort me and is just pressuring me for ulterior motives.

Like what in particular? I really wasn't focusing on pressuring you right then, because you're generally hard for me to sort.

essentially yes.
And yeah, Aeronaut attacking my way of life feels really bad.
It's the kind of thing that you expect is either going to flip scum or IC.

Your way of life? What are you even talking about?

Do you know him? Is he familiar with your playstyle? Maybe he is confused.

Oh, I know RC, and i'm really not confused about how a game with RC usually works.

I know him fairly well.

He absolutely would know better than to think that me making naked votes is a scumtell.

In fact, naked votes should be a towntell for me tbh. Think Aero would know that.

Yeah, Pigeon boy was Pigeon poop. I'd vote him.

Yea, no. I didn't call you scum, there. That's what you do town, or scum, and I was just saying that I don't feel like playing

yet

another game where everyone follows around RC just because he's RC, because I was dumb and did that in Game Shop Mafia and you burned me because of it. So fuck that shit.

[Aeronaut]

I'm null on RC for the record.

[Aeronaut]

I really think Pigeon boy is scum though.
Camn, I think that you're town. Who should I be voting?

What changed your mind on Camn now?

[Aeronaut]

also, who are you referring to when you say pigeon boy?

[Aeronaut]

Reads List v. 1.0

Leaning Town

{SnarkySnowman, Keyser Söze}

Key

in general has followed a pretty logical pathway for now; I can say though that I don't believe I've encountered him as scum... this seems like his town game for now though.

As for

SS

, I feel like it's risky for scum to claim a hated townie; (correct my if I'm wrong and this is common or something, but I've never seen it.). If he was scum, I feel like once someone voted snarky and nothing happened, then people would know he lied immediately. Don't see a lot of scum motive in that.

Nullbys

{Venmar, TheTrollie, The Bulge, TheLoneWolf, Tails.}

All of these people need to talk some more and/or looked at more by me. Was originally not feeling great about Tails, but his posting seems sort of genuine since I started typing this so eh.

Scum Lite™

{Amihan, Aneninen}

Not a huge fan of the

Amihan

opening post; it was very "look at me! I'm town!". Not much more to go on there, though.

Aneninen

was lacking any sort of real town paranoia, to be honest. That one post I pointed out in particular just seemed too passive / too quick to town-read someone to me, and his tone seems off. I need to look more into it on my own though.

Scum Lite™ Pt. 2: The RadiantCatagory

{RadiantCowbells}

RC is weird to me. Up until about #99, I thought RC was playing pretty normal for him, maybe even a bit townie. However, after that he completely stopped flipped his read on Camn for really no reason. RC literally goes from being decently sure that Camn was scum, to being so sure Camn was town that he

literally asked Camn to tell him who to vote,

all in <1 page

. In addition, since then, RC pretty much stopped pushing me and then starting talking about how the person I was pushing is scum. (I assume Pigeon Boy means EE). This strikes me as incredibly weird this game, like we're getting this quasi-passive RadiantCowbells that's just asking people who to vote.

Lean Scum

{Extrapolated Eagle, camn}

Camn

is reacting strangely with RC right now, in my opinion. He made a pretty generic hop-on to Aneninen (which also gives me doubts about Aneninen being scum in the first place), and he also was sort of bowing to pressure like RC's been doing.
I pointed out that

EE's

original catchup post didn't include a lot of real substance. It seemed like he was playing it too safe there, so I voted there; with just that one vote of pressure, EE pretty much overreacted, calling me dense/scum/etc. because I apparently just am too dumb for this game. The point is, I really hate that reaction, and I really like my vote right now.

[Aeronaut]

Umm.
Usually she's so blatantly scummy that I'm at the point where I've got her pinned as confirmed scum within pages of reading her post.
Besides the fact that she didn't immediately engage with me, she's been actually pretty towny, which makes me think that she's town.

Like... this is a strange answer. You were pushing her pretty hard not too long ago, and suddenly "she's actually been pretty townie", which is a great pallet of no information. I feel if one of them flips scum, we should really revisit this.

[Aeronaut]

[also, @Camn: I am now just realizing that I've been calling you a "he/him" by accident for a few pages now. Sorry about that!]

[Aeronaut]

Camn, should I not find it odd and scummy that you are unwilling to engage me here when I'd expect the first thing you'd do as town is to engage me?

It almost feels like you suggested that you be bussed in pregame but your team was on the fence about it so you guys decided that you'd stay away from me while you get your team to pressure me and lock me down.

And that's exactly what Aeronaut feels like he's doing.

I don't know what this is - it feels like you are creating a whole scenario to get

into the game

.

What do you think about Aeronaut?

The way he's posting really feels like he's not genuinely trying to sort me and is just pressuring me for ulterior motives.

Let's go back and look at Aeronaut's RadiantCowbells interactions:

Spoiler: Aeronaut on RadiantCowbells

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Wassup!

RC are you scum?

Again, camn?

What is it RC? use your words.

Why are you still voting your RVS vote?

RC, this isn't going to be one of those games where you're allowed to get away with posting naked votes without reasoning. Sorry.

Questions like

''RC are you scum?''

and

"Why are you still voting your RVS vote?"

are admittedly blunt in terms of probing.

Well it's usually better to be blunt to RC because that's really how he usually is; The other thing I noticed is that RC didn't respond to most of these prods, even though he later tried to say "Aero isn't really trying to sort me".

@aero sorry I blew up last night.

Things you can gather from my post: (stances you should have easily taken away)
I like Tails, he's my strongest town lean atm
I liked the bulge for his vote on aneninen
Trollie started nasty but he's a bit nullish compared to how bad some people look
RC is way out of place probably scum this game
Amihan did a similar thing to trollie and no one jumped on her for it, more likely to be scum there
I liked key a little bit, he's the town side of nullish
Snowman is probably maybe town as well

Update since then: I can see where RC is coming from on aero, he feels really weird

So, you think RC is scum, but you can see where he's coming from on me (aero)? Do you think we're both scum?

[Aeronaut]

@Key what is it that we're not on the same page about?

[Aeronaut]

yea a vc would be nice.

[Aeronaut]

Oh isn't it automatic? I don't really know how that works, I've never used one of those.

[Aeronaut]

?

[Aeronaut]

Oh-- yea, possibly. I don't really like to make those kind of associations just because it tends to mess my reads up down the line, but they're acting really strange.

[Aeronaut]

Amihan is actually p town

[Aeronaut]

The Bulge, Venmar, TheLoneWolf, and TheTrollie all need to show up; three of them have literally posted once.

[Aeronaut]

v/la while I get my live together

[Aeronaut]

Catching up since I have some free time.

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The only thing that makes me feel strange about trollie is the fact that he has been absent

Well there's a lot of people absent, and there are people who when you posted this had only posted once. Are you saying it's strange for trollie as a player to be absent because he is usually active, or are you saying it's weird that he's absent in general?

If the second one, why weren't you suspicious of the other inactive people?

Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.

town

Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.

literally 100% same thoughts as I had.

town

So RC is town for having the saying he agreed with Tails on that one issue (of you being town)? No.

I don't want to vote anyone right now before I see a vote count but...
RC is town
Tails is probtown

EE & Aero could easily be scum

Suspicious of Snarky and Amihan

Ok, so if the above is true, why does RC agreeing with Tails on something make RC

more town

than tails?

Vigilante target #1: SnarkySnowman

?????

VOTE: Amihan
Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.

I have no observation like that, but this is the page top of the THIRD page, so NOW I can say that I'm town.

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Amihan and Aneninen confirmed not scum together, remember this future self.

How?

1. I am town
2. I am usually right

I'm actually just getting some strong gut-townvibes from Amihan since coming back.

however

@Amihan

do you really feel like scum would claim a double voter?

[Aeronaut]

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Huh. I just clicked Trollies GTKAS link and God a "not authorized to view this forum". Weird.

Anyway...this has been a lot of talk.
I see a few little questions for me- mostly they are not worth getting into right now... But I'll hit them later.

Trollies reenterence is scummy as fuck. It's crazy...but more later.
Also Amihan seems very confused about things.

Let's get after that:
Trollie-
" now" is just a turn of the phrase in American English. Like "listen,-" , "look,-" , or "but seriously,-"
That answered.... Please explain your first post to Amihan. What happened there? Why did you post that, and then where did you disappear to? Where did you hear about "pregame talk" . break it down, cuz its been a major item here while you have been away.

More soon.

I feel like a lot of things happened in the game since your last post, yet you go with answering the grammar question about the Now word. Seeeeems selective.

In general I may take a dive into camp's meta, and see if she's always this passive about not answering anybody's questions.

It was half read-list/half action-list.
"Comfortable" = they do not require my immediate attention.
"Same-wavelength. More please." = similar opinions expressed but require more input.
"Who are you guys?" = please post.
"Not scum-reading, but not quite on the same page." = good and bad. Require attention to figure out positions.
"Uncomfortable" = made a stink.
"Fist of suspicion" = require

immediate

sorting.

Okay.
This goes for the rest of your post too.

I use too many words

What did you mean by this?

I don't want to vote anyone right now before I see a vote count but...
RC is town
Tails is probtown

EE & Aero could easily be scum

Suspicious of Snarky and Amihan

Why do you need a vote count for getting reads? Or was that for voting? Although at this game phase I don't get that either.
I'm reading your other posts, too. They're okay. For now.

I.e I thought it was suspicious that Aneninen ruled out all other options.

Need I care

now

if he's [Trollie] Mason or something like that?

Also, there are two wagons on RadiantCowbells.

Isn't he voting for me?

Aninainensaininininennim's questions here look like they're being asked for the sake of asking questions and looking busy. Looking at most of them, I don't really know what info he plans to even get out of them.

I'm hoping there is a vote redirector that puts RCs vote on RC no matter what

This is hilarious, and will likely be featured in my next game

@Key what is it that we're not on the same page about?

Re-reading your ISO, we do actually hold similar positions on a various items:

- Aneninen's post 14 (post 61)
- wanting Tails to explain his reads (but not out-right agreeing with your "you're scum in my mind" comment).
- similar confusion on camn's "he is probably scum this game and we should Lynch him" post.
- Extrapolated Eagle's emotional "overreaction" was alarming (post 72)
- read/stance on SnarkySnowman's intro post 110

+1

I believe I was originally not 'comfortable' with you due to your interactions with RadiantCowbells (pre-flip associations )

I'm going to review my read on RadiantCowbells next.

I used to actually really pick on people for doing pre-flip associatives; but then I sort of thought about it and realized that if I see something off between two players, it might be more beneficial to point it out so on Day 5 I or whoever is still alive can look back on it for later.

also

Spoiler: small sidenote about key (not alignment indicative)

I don't know if I ever have mentioned this, but i've generally come to like your style of posting in the games I play with you. More and more popular on this site has been the nonchalant, one word and naked votes by certain players that seems to be really growing as meta here; i'm even guilty of it. I really like that you tend to have a more structured and unique way of presenting your thoughts on the game, and it's one of the reasons I usually enjoy playing with you.
/end sidenote

No, trollie- we are not getting off of you. We are hanging you.

First things first- lets come back to your first post. Why did you write it? Why wont you explain it? The people who called you out on it- you call them town. This implies you KNOW that it was scummy. So explain. In plain words.

Second- this attack of yours..Im going to show the town how you made it up. You are trying to pull a crapcase out of thin air, because you are scum and you are scared to try a nightkill on me.

what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?

Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"

So- I never changed my mind. I am clear about this. I, at ALL TIMES, think/thought it is worth discussing. I, AT NO TIME, am saying we should do it immediately. This is plain as day. This may be subtle- but I dont think so.

Spoiler: Let >ME< be the one to bold for emphasis:

I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head it

might

be worthwhile

I can table the thought for now... But it seems like it is maybe something worth doing

at some point.

Im Not necessarily saying we gotta do this

... But what are your thoughts AGAINST

I absolutely do not want anyone coming in here saying what the map gets them...OR saying it doesn't get them anything.

As you can see above- my veiw has certainly not changed. Now the idea that Trollie is floating that it HAS- its a crapcase, pure and simple. There is no way to read my posts any other way.

That, combined with Trollies TOTAL LACK of anything redeeming coming into this game puts him squarely scum.
You guys- I wanna see a Trollie wagon again. He wasnt here for the first one. Lets do it again. Maybe he will vanish again, though.

Keyser- after Cowbells look at Trollie.

tbh I actually think this is a pretty good rebuttal to trollie, though. I'm really not a fan of camn this game, but trollie here looks like he really is taking things out of thin air; basically it looks exactly like the kind of argument where scum take a quick skim of someone's post, and then immediately call them out without really paying attention, just to look busy. +1

Back from Vegas. I'll read up and give me thoughts in a bit. Maybe.

The maybe at the end of this sentence really pissed me off.

I feel a great disturbance in the Force: RadiantCowbells

VOTE: Camn

Start talking, sweet cheeks.

This is not a RVS vote. This feels like RadiantCowbells with an ulterior motive (aka scum finding an awkward entrance into the game via a player).

Wagon on Tails is sketchy.

How can RadiantCowbells hold this position by post 17?

Continuation with the latch-onto-camn narrative:

Spoiler:

Camn needs to post more, pronto.

Again, camn?

Camn, do you ever roll town?

I think Camn is scum but I know that you're scum.

Moves vote to Aeronaut:

VOTE: Aeronaut

Camn, should I not find it odd and scummy that you are unwilling to engage me here when I'd expect the first thing you'd do as town is to engage me?

It almost feels like you suggested that you be bussed in pregame but your team was on the fence about it so you guys decided that you'd stay away from me while you get your team to pressure me and lock me down.

And that's exactly what Aeronaut feels like he's doing.

I expect you to talk with me! jeez.

Camn finally posts:

I'm just hungover!
God!

Well, fine.

After all this 'theatre' RadiantCowbells is now happy with camn's simple "I'm just hungover!" explanation.

Camn, I think that you're town.

Besides the fact that she didn't immediately engage with me, she's been actually pretty towny, which makes me think that she's town.

This isn't a player simply changing his read (non-alignment indicative)... this is RadiantCowbells with a manufactured entrance and fake read, which inevitably ends with a predictable town-read on camn (reasons?>>>

"actually pretty towny, which makes me think that she's town"

= generic/easy town read).

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Yea. RC has been acting extremely bizarre this game for sure. Usually he's called the scum team and the game's over by now.

No, trollie- we are not getting off of you. We are hanging you.

First things first- lets come back to your first post. Why did you write it? Why wont you explain it? The people who called you out on it- you call them town. This implies you KNOW that it was scummy. So explain. In plain words.

Second- this attack of yours..Im going to show the town how you made it up. You are trying to pull a crapcase out of thin air, because you are scum and you are scared to try a nightkill on me.

what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?

Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"

So- I never changed my mind. I am clear about this. I, at ALL TIMES, think/thought it is worth discussing. I, AT NO TIME, am saying we should do it immediately. This is plain as day. This may be subtle- but I dont think so.

Spoiler: Let >ME< be the one to bold for emphasis:

I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head it

might

be worthwhile

I can table the thought for now... But it seems like it is maybe something worth doing

at some point.

Im Not necessarily saying we gotta do this

... But what are your thoughts AGAINST

I absolutely do not want anyone coming in here saying what the map gets them...OR saying it doesn't get them anything.

As you can see above- my veiw has certainly not changed. Now the idea that Trollie is floating that it HAS- its a crapcase, pure and simple. There is no way to read my posts any other way.

That, combined with Trollies TOTAL LACK of anything redeeming coming into this game puts him squarely scum.
You guys- I wanna see a Trollie wagon again. He wasnt here for the first one. Lets do it again. Maybe he will vanish again, though.

Keyser- after Cowbells look at Trollie.

ugh yall are so annoying

camn im ignoring you now because i think you are town and paying attention to you is making me angry

I dont like the RC wagon. I think those arguments are bad and I think, actually, that you just strengthened my town read on Tyco RC

Welp, you can't really beat the rebuttal of "ugh you're annoying"

GG camn

[Aeronaut]

also, fuck saying you don't like the RC wagon because "the arguments are bad"

booo

[Aeronaut]

More catchup after I stuff my face with some sushi

[Aeronaut]

P

a

g

e

10

ish

can't pass this up

VOTE: camn

<3

I have to admit i'm pretty confused with Wolf's posting up to this point. Like not even scummy, just bizarre in my opinion.

Leave camn alone jeez I think she's actually town in this one.

but camn why haven't you given me someone to vote?

Weird RC is being weird.

Sorry, my bad.

Cowbells- lets run up Trollie and see what shakes out, huh?

VOTE: Trollie

At lease you're voting scum, though.

I don't see camn as scum at all. That said, I think if camn is scum, they're partnered with RC. I like my vote where it is atm.

Snarky, i'd love you to post like 1000x more than you're posting. You kind of just showed up, claimed, and then left the building.

Amihan

pls convince me to join you on the SS wagon

Yuck.

Tails is feeling pretty town to me.

If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.

^^^
Still troubled with this...

.

I think it's inexperience falling for the fake town slip. He really didn't take the time to think about it, which points to town. (Oh look, I explained a read...)

Are you talking about aneninen here?

Did you really think I was talking about Keyser?

I mean you did quote him.

What's up that you want me to talk about EE?

I don't know. I feel kind of lost right now and I dint know why. You seem kind of lost feeling too. Tails feels all weird, like... I think he's town but he keeps attacking people and it feels like it's for no reason like there's no push or anything, he just wants people to NOT work with him. And keysor is talking a lot and I like him but I feel like a lot of people are ignoring him reads wise. And aneninen is very certain he wants to go in his direction, but as usual that's perpendicular to the directions town and scum are trying to go. And trollie feels so weirdly about his posts (because they're plural now) but I can't seem to comprehend him acting that way as scum. It's just really not pro anything.

I don't know I guess I feel like my strong reads are the people who done post anything and then as soon as they start posting I get all wishy washy about them. I don't think I've ever been this uncertain about EVERYONE before and I don't know why I'm looking to you for direction, but maybe it's because I feel like I at least understand you a little bit?

help?

I feel really confused why you would go to the person who's literally sheeping another player to help you with reads. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I think that Adenine's scum.

I'll try to make a case on him.

Who's Adenine referring to?

Too many "A" names that are annoying to type.

Spoiler: I've spoiled what is literally Wolf's entire ISO and spared you from ludicrous amounts of scrolling

Get everybody and their stuff together

ok

3

2

1

VOTE: Tails

The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

Unvote:
Vote: RadiantCowbells

Damn caught on page 1....

Sorry Trollie

Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.

I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.

shits and giggles

And I'm sure his getting an extra vote to put him in the lead had nothing to do with it...

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

Vigilante target #1: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: Amihan
Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.

I have no observation like that, but this is the page top of the THIRD page, so NOW I can say that I'm town.

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Amihan and Aneninen confirmed not scum together, remember this future self.

this checks out.

You literally just quoted the whole ISO and then said "this checks out" and you're trying to pass that as a real read.

Bitch, pls

RC's posts are getting a bit better over time

They're really not.

Let me show the real version of my thought process:

Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.

Wait, you're voting Camn but you think he's town? i'm not sure I'm following your logic.

[Aeronaut]

If camn is town the only scumread I have is Eagle but I was trying to keep that under wraps

Unvote
Vote: Eagle

WTF why are you trying to keep your scum reads under wraps?
Also, you literally said less than a day ago that you were leaning scum on RC. Also also, you called snarky a good option for a Vig shot. But EE is your only scumread? what?

In general, I don't get the "interaction pattern" of the players at all. I can see at least three possible scenarios, but all of them would be based upon partner speculations. Camn, Trollie, RC – at least one of them must be scum and I know it's pretty much no-content.

Why

must

there be scum in the three of them either? Just because they're the three people viable for a lynch besides you?

The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

Damn caught on page 1....

Sorry Trollie

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

15 and 18 both protect you.

15?

Again that seems to be a stretch to call voting a not Trollie wagon on page 1 defending

Let me show the real version of my thought process:

Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.

Tails vote is basically RVS with me ignoring the so called "Trollie slip" since I thought it was a town slip.

Explained RC vote.

camn's push on Trollie feels off, mostly because I'd expect other competent town players to be reading Trollie the same as myself.

If you mean direct interaction with Trollie that's not on me, there isn't much I need from him.

.... Because you're scum with him? Legitimate question.

"Yes, I admit Trollie is weird, but...LOOK OVER THERE!
...
And that's why he's town. Now who were we talking about and can we lynch Camn?"

Tails is town, confirmed.

VOTE: TheLoneWolf

Yea. I'm feeling this lynch. Trollie is bad too.

[Aeronaut]

Me, too. If we are talking about the same person.

VOTE: Aneninen

Dont misunderstand- I will come back to trollie with furious anger at any provocation. But this town needs a wagon.

Well... it's not like trollie doesn't have a wagon behind it. If you were planning on trying to get a wagon going for the town, I don't get why you wouldn't just join the trollie one.

~ Why has nobody seemingly talked about the fact snowman claimed hated

I personally think he's town for it; I also do agree though that we should test it out at some point, because he could actually coast all the way to the end with that claim.

I am also not a big fan of Camn advocating any kind of a massclaim. It shouldn't even be discussed this early unless she has a reason to. Would like to hear a concise reason from her as to why she thinks it's a good idea and what prompted her to propose it in the first place.

Would also like to hear this.

Feeling like Venmar is pretty town with his recent postings as well. Still just kind of gut there right now, though.

[Aeronaut]

Holy fuck can we all just stop making wall posts where there are like 50 quotes you are giving one line responses to? They are fucking awful and I struggle digesting them. I don't care what you think about every single thing said, just compact your thoughts into well-made concise posts please, thanks

I also legitimately apologize for making literally five wall posts as soon as you said this...

[Aeronaut]

Reads List v. 1.01

Town

{Keyser Söze, Tails}

Key

just all game is really striking me with a town logic; most of of his reads I agree with, and it seems like they all had a logical progression to them.

Tails

... has a bit less of a progression, but at the same time a lot of his posting seems really organic and genuine and I find myself feeling like he believes what he's saying. No scum theatre here.

Town for Today

[Gut Reads + Snarky]

{SnarkySnowman, Venmar, Amihan}

Since my catchup,

Venmar

and

Amihan

have both struck me as town for now. For example, Amihan is being p aggressive in some places, but it really doesn't feel like scum-theatre aggressive, more like "i'm pissed off because everyone's voting me for my first post" aggressive. Venmar is also coming in way stronger / bolderish then i'd really expect scum to. They're both town for today.

As for

SS

, I don't feel like he (or really anyone) would make a hated townie claim as scum. Although, me saying that kind of makes it WIFOM, so eh. I really like Ven's idea of testing him out for later, to see if he's telling the truth. I don't feel like that's really the right move for today, though, so i'm fine waiting on that.

Nullbys

{The Bulge}

Isn't bulge due for a prod or something? He's posted literally once.

Scum Lite™

{Aneninen, Extrapolated Eagle, Camn, RadiantCowbells}

I really hated

Aneninen's

#186; it was literally a whole post where he was asking useless questions that are only there to show he's doing stuff. His wagon feels kind of weird to me right now though.

Eagle

feels like (and honestly has mentioned several times) that he doesn't have any sort of direction right now. While those posts themselves don't seem very fabricated, I feel like complaining about having no direction or sense of who to push is a good way for scum to coast through this game.

Camn

is really strange, especially with RC. I feel like she should have more paranoia about RC being like that to her. Some of her motivations on things are also weird to me; especially why she would want a masjclaim this early.

RC

is

still

weird to me. This is the first time I've seen him ever act this passive / sheepish. It's starting to feel like something I might want to leave alone for a bit, though. It's not indicative from what i've seen from RC, period.

Scum

{TheTrollie, TheLoneWolf}

TheTrollie:

* Weird Unexplained townread on RC, which also makes zero sense with his Tails townread.
* Trollie answers an entire post from camn calling him out, by saying "you're annoying!" and ignoring the rest.
* "I don't like the RC wagon because the arguments are bad"
* Post 234, where Trollie posts Wolf's entire ISO and says "it checks out" after being asked about his thoughts on Wolf. This is a weird-ass interaction
* General unwillingless to give detailed comments about really anything; strange reactions with no real motivations in general.

With

TheLoneWolf

, a lot of that is similar; just straight up weirdness when it comes to talking about Trollie. In addition, I'm honestly failing to see any town motivation for most of what he's doing. Posts like 171 just seem like trying to look busy, and honestly the fact that he has like one scumread is sus as fuck. Finally, there's various people he's said were scum reads that he doesn't push. I'm feeling really strong scum vibes here.

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone want to talk with me about anything actually important? This already feels like a 20 page game just by how far behind I am after only a day away. And I can't afford much more time.

Yea, I asked this in one of the walls, but do you feel like scum would claim a hated townie?

[Aeronaut]

Thats what I am saying about the hated thing!

In re: claim- I have a LOT of good reasons, most of which revolve around controlling night actions and outing scum. But I agree that there could be a lot of unintended consequences, and I am not totally pushing this. Especially since it would have to be done correctly, and mostly people are not up to that. It requires a pretty high level of coordinated townplay- which we may or may not have. I will come back around to this on Day 3, I think.. if I still live.

As to why? I come from a generation of gamebreakers. Maybe things are different now. But Reck is from the same crop- and almost certainly we should break this setup open before the end of the game.

I suppose this is fair enough; I also don't know how likely it is that scum would just come outright and ask that, but I don't really know right now.

[Aeronaut]

Anenimyen is really not looking good to me, but I'm just not getting good vibes about that wagon rn, sorry.

[Aeronaut]

You really couldn't.

[Aeronaut]

Fine. Let's go back to Trollie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Trollie

And Aero... Let me explain something to you, since my game is apparently beyond you.

First...RC as town gets auto nightkilled N1 in pretty much every game.
Thus, there is absolutely no point in going after him day 1.

Furthermore, if he lives though a couple nights, he is pretty much confscum, and we Lynch him then. It is actually magically self-resolving. Thus, I am not worried about him today.

Second, the massclaim idea is both a) awesome, and b) tabled at this time.
You keep bringing it up tho. Again...read more, post less. You are too long winded, and filling the thread with spam.

I actually think I've brought it up one time; you should be looking at everyone else for bringing it up.

Your argument about RC makes sense, but that's likely not going to work in this game. RC is just kind of peddling along behind you, scum probably won't want to kill him anyway if he's town, especially since you now have said we should lynch him if he lives too long. That's a slippery slope.

I am kind of long-winded this game, probably because I'm trying to improve my game a bit lately; so i'm trying to do less skimming around of posts and more like actually responding to stuff. It's not spam by any means, and saying that is a silly way to try to discredit me.

[Aeronaut]

For example, Amihan is being p aggressive in some places, but it really doesn't feel like scum-theatre aggressive, more like "i'm pissed off because everyone's voting me for my first post" aggressive.

Why does everyone always say this... I'm actually just playing the game. I'm not like, purposely trying to make anyone upset to get on some high or something. This looks like a mix of some weak discredit and pushaway so you don't have to deal with me today.

I was calling you town.

[Aeronaut]

Ok

[Aeronaut]

Who are you talking to? that's an ISO of Camn and Trollie

[Aeronaut]

Would Amihan know his buddies or vice versa?

[Aeronaut]

:/

[Aeronaut]

3p?

What?

[Aeronaut]

Oh third person

[Aeronaut]

Yea, RC, I'm gonna take another look at what I want to do now, but you feel free to park your vote there for the entire day.

[Aeronaut]

No, not really feeling a claim at L-5.

You can move your vote now.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: RC

Yea, you don't have a guilty, because

A) My role PM is town
and
B) Why ask me to claim if you really had a guilty on me in the first place? Piss off.

[Aeronaut]

Like, that makes zero sense. You wouldn't need a claim because you would know it already.

[Aeronaut]

That literally answers zero parts of my question.

Why ask for my claim if you're trying to tell us you knew it anyway? That doesn't help shit and you know it.

[Aeronaut]

... but why would it matter to town-you ?

[Aeronaut]

I'm not fucking claiming RC until L-1

[Aeronaut]

I'm pretty sure Ami thought I was scum tbh.

[Aeronaut]

EE is still scummy as ever

[Aeronaut]

ok, but actually though. Here's EE just spewing out randomness so that he can join the wagon and look like he's adding something new. I don't if he expected me not to call that out, but when I do him out, it's all "oh wow guess you're right and I read wrong!".

EE is scum for life. Also, did we decide that Wolf is conftown? I don't remember.

[Aeronaut]

What L am I at?

[Aeronaut]

I fucked up. I thought Camn was town.

Camn is scum. Camn & partner were told my role in their results last night and now I need a protective role on me tonight.

?

[Aeronaut]

Ok, here's something else that doesn't make sense to me, RC.

You've been spending your time concerning yourself with whether you think I'm a third party or a group scum; you keep saying that you'd rather lynch group scum. Even that if I had rolled a 3P role, you would consider not lynching me quite yet. Fine, fair.


But then, Trollie comes in here

confirming Camn as group scum

. Why on earth wouldn't you take that lynch over me, if you really were doing what you said you were doing?

[Aeronaut]

You can claim or get quicklynched. I don't care which.

C'mon RC.

Stop with the arrogant bullshit for a moment and start realizing that acting like that is you being anti-town, or you being scum. Either way, you're helping nobody.

[Aeronaut]

I put myself first.

[Aeronaut]

I have a guilty on you.
You can play 'pretend that RC is just fakeclaiming' all you want but I have a guilty on you.
I don't understand why you think that you're worming your way out of this.

See, here's the thing though;

You don't.

It's impossible.


So you're either scum, or just really, really arrogant town who thinks they can fake that sort of shit. And I really, really hate it when people do that, so if you're town I'm going to lose my shit in postgame.

[Aeronaut]

Camn, ask yourself this; why does RC care about seeing a claim if he already had a guilty on me?

[Aeronaut]

?

[Aeronaut]

RC, who are your other scum reads?

[Aeronaut]

Going to clarify something: this game is not bastard by traditional definitions. However, Amihan's traitor role had a mechanic which allowed himto "defect" and join town under certain conditions. I felt this fit the flavor of Finn from the movie. In the end, Finn did not defect and died a traitor. I just wanted to clarify that when I say the game is not bastard, I am not considering Finn's role bastard under any circumstances.

That's a really cool mechanic for that flavor Reck!

Jesus, Trollie.

It is a given that I am not scum.
You throwing around the word "confirmed" doesn't change that, from my perspective.
And someone calling me scum is not really worth refuting.

This is pretty much what I'm saying. RC faking that is really sketch, and honestly makes me think he found out the implications of me being lynched. It seems to me like he may have a scum PR that understands roles instead of alignments, and found out my role and what happens if a lynch goes through on me.

Now most people as scum probably wouldn't try to fake a guilty, but this is Radiant "I don't give a flying fuck what you say" Cowbells. I have a feeling (and it seems like a pretty RC move) that he probably decided he could fake that guilty on me, and just talk his way out of it tomorrow, because that's sort of what RC does.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, I'm gonna claim now, though, because that L-1 was too close.

I'm

General Leia Organa

;
If I die, then the town skips a day, and there's two nights in a row. I think I'm essentially a Beloved Princess, if anyone knows what that is.

When I get the map,

it reverses; I can send the mod a message and we get two days in a row.

[Aeronaut]

So yea, if you lynch me, either way you'll get one scum between RC and I. However, its also gonna be two nights in a row with possibly two kills; If the setup is really something like 8:4:1 like RC says, depending on what happens to the third party, it'd honestly possible we're endgamed tomorrow.

[Aeronaut]

No.

I think it's plenty likely that scum decided to throw a fake guilty and hope that they could NK and have Aero talk his way out.

We lynch Aero today.

What do you mean? How would scum even know they got copped?

That doesn't make sense, RC.

[Aeronaut]

You think Trollie is my buddy?

Thats a silly thought.

[Aeronaut]

I have no idea what's going on with the Camn guilty thing but I frankly don't trust it at all.
If we don't lynch Aeronaut today, then when?

You think Trollie is my buddy?

Thats a silly thought.

Letting you live is a silly thought.

How about; either a) never, or b) when it's not going to endgame us.

[Aeronaut]

No.

I think it's plenty likely that scum decided to throw a fake guilty and hope that they could NK and have Aero talk his way out.

We lynch Aero today.

There's still more than one scum team unless its like 3-1-1 or some shit.

???

Aero you playing the whole "lynch the BP lose the game" card just makes you more obvscum

I

really

don't think you read my what I said.

[Aeronaut]

Last chance to do something worthwhile with your vote.

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

Actually I need to take a better look at the rest of the game, too. So we should really both do something more worthwhile with our votes.

[Aeronaut]

@Wolf, it's not the same as a BP by any means.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Camn

[Aeronaut]

It's really fine; if you lynch me and then the town somehow survives two nights, they're going to know who to lynch next.

[Aeronaut]

I think

[Aeronaut]

Wow, RC, maybe if you keep saying the same thing over and over, you'll be able to lynch someone! That will work for sure!

[Aeronaut]

RC, there's a way to play this game that's not acting like you own the rest of us. I like playing with you, but if your town, you need to understand that nobody really responds to grandiose arrogant statements.

I'm not changing my claim; I don't lie as town. This is my role. Camn is scum, or an idiot. Probably both.

I do know that I'd rather you lynch me tomorrow than today; because if you do it today, we could be endgamed. If we lynch scum today, then you feel the need to lynch me tomorrow, at least town can hold on after that.

[Aeronaut]

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

[Aeronaut]

So what you're saying is, you're not a cop, but someone on your team can check alignments.

That's what you're saying, to me.

[Aeronaut]

Really what needs to happen is that Camn gets lynched today. If he's scum, then RC gets lynched tomorrow. It's pretty clear what's going on.

[Aeronaut]

No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.

And you claimed a non visiting role.

And?

You can say you tracked me somewhere all you want, it's the same as saying "I KNOW AERO IS SCUM JUST TRUST ME". The problem is that you're kind of hard for people to trust given you're weird interactions with everyone this whole game.

Notice the lack of any snarky back talk now that he knows beyond a shadow of doubt that I'm not fakeclaiming.
Eat it scumbag.

Notice it's been about twenty minutes, so I don't know what you're wining about.

So what you're saying is, you're not a cop, but someone on your team can check alignments.

Oh, and this is basically claiming scum.[/quote]
Oooooh, RC really didn't like it when I said that. Good newbie-discredit there.

[Aeronaut]

Oh, and the investigation PM was specific about saying that Aeronaut did these things.

As apposed to?

[Aeronaut]

opposed***

[Aeronaut]

Really what needs to happen is that Camn gets lynched today. If he's scum, then RC gets lynched tomorrow. It's pretty clear what's going on.

How are they related? O.o

RC refuses to even look at Camn as scum, even though Trollie supposedly has a guilty on him.

[Aeronaut]

I have a confirmed guilty and I'm refusing to look at whether or not other people might be scum.

EGAD THE HUMANITY.

Ok. Well, it's been a day now with your fake guilty, and I'm still here. So how about we talk about viable lynches instead, huh?

Please vote Camn.

[Aeronaut]

Really what needs to happen is that Camn gets lynched today. If he's scum, then RC gets lynched tomorrow. It's pretty clear what's going on.

How are they related? O.o

RC refuses to even look at Camn as scum, even though Trollie supposedly has a guilty on him.

I saw it more as him seeing you as scum and ignoring everyone else. :/ I don't see him calling her town.

Well, don't you think it's kind of strange that RC is just completely not pushing or making any attempt to parse that claim? To even look at it?

He's just acting all weird and wishy washy like he has all game

[Aeronaut]

Look at my reads list from yesterday where I talked about RC's weird-ass switch from scum reading to town reading camn in literally a page.

[Aeronaut]

with no explanation

[Aeronaut]

To me, it's like RC decided to do some early-distancing, and then when it got too real immediately brought it back.

[Aeronaut]

Camn, do you ever roll town?

Aero, why did you call Camn out for a bunch of stuff then vote someone else?

RC, this isn't going to be one of those games where you're allowed to get away with posting naked votes without reasoning. Sorry.

I think Camn is scum but I know that you're scum.

Camn, should I not find it odd and scummy that you are unwilling to engage me here when I'd expect the first thing you'd do as town is to engage me?

It almost feels like you suggested that you be bussed in pregame but your team was on the fence about it so you guys decided that you'd stay away from me while you get your team to pressure me and lock me down.

And that's exactly what Aeronaut feels like he's doing.

I really think Pigeon boy is scum though.
Camn, I think that you're town. Who should I be voting?

No explanation from thinking Camn is scum, to thinking he's town. RC was distancing.

[Aeronaut]

Fine. Fuck it. I need to study desperately, and this is really impeding on that.

I claim serial killer.

[Aeronaut]

My role is the same, though.

[Aeronaut]

Not leia

[Aeronaut]

but the same.

[Aeronaut]

And everything I've said up until this point I still really believe; RC is scummy as fuck.

[Aeronaut]

I'd be happy to be leashed and to help out town here, at least for a day or two. The truth is this game has been exponentially frustrating for me and i'm so fucking done with scummy-RC doing scum-things.

[Aeronaut]

But I'll kill whoever the town wants me to kill.

[Aeronaut]

If you're being leashed you're being leashed by me personally and are killing precisely who I tell you to and no one else does.

Nah. I'm probably going to put you on [ignore] for the rest of the game; you're either seriously scum, or just some of the worst most arrogant townlplay I've ever seen.

[Aeronaut]

Why would scum ever kill you? You're creating a toxic enviornment on purpose. You'll be alive the rest of the game.

[Aeronaut]

And to be honest, I literally didn't visit Tails last night. I killed Amihan because he was seriously town and seriously onto me. So RC is a lying fuck about that. And that's why I've been pushing that.

[Aeronaut]

Why would scum ever kill you? You're creating a toxic enviornment on purpose. You'll be alive the rest of the game.

I'm creating a toxic environment. Right.

By what, having a guilty on you? super toxic play.

No; a guilty is a guilty, especially if it's true. That's fine, it's whatever. I'm saying that you create these toxic environments by pretending like you're in charge of everything in every game. It's not very fun to play when someone acts like that

[Aeronaut]

Nope, you killed Tails.

If you wanted to be leashed the least you could do is be honest and be somewhat pro-town.

I honestly feel like that's probably the reason a lot of people kill you on night 1; yea, you're good at the game, but it's also just obnoxious when you feel the need to let everyone know about it.

[Aeronaut]

I apologize to everyone if i've contributed to any sort of toxicity and it will stop here.

Closing statements is that I'm fine acting like a vig for a bit to help town to the win. I'll follow

the town

, not just RC.

[Aeronaut]

I'm going to study now. Goodbye.

[Aeronaut]

I won't shoot RC unless asked to by you people.

[Aeronaut]

Which game are you referring to?

[Aeronaut]

Oh yea.

I think I thought you were a PR though; also you weren't really scum reading me there and it's not really like you "let me go". I feel like that's not a game to be bitter about

[Aeronaut]

I don't see what's not to trust. You caught me fair and square, and if I were to kill someone against the town, you'd immediately know. It's not like there's much more I can do.

[Aeronaut]

yea but what damage could I cause?

[Aeronaut]

I mean to be honest, the damage I could cause would be to kill a townie on purpose, but then I'd just die the next night anyway so what's the point?

[Aeronaut]

I'd rather at least be able to keep playing the game and stuff, and just sort of pretend I'm playing it for town as a vig.

[Aeronaut]

We should probably figure out who Camn's buddy is and have Aero shoot them.

Has Aero flavor claimed yet?

I don't understand why I can't just shoot Camn?


It's like cheetory is trying to break my heart :c

[Aeronaut]

:/ you dont think him trying to excuse lynching aero based on him being "irrational" rather than him being scum is questionable?

You should probably read the game.

He is SK, claimed SKs either get leashed or lynched. I am arguing why the latter is better bc of Aeronaut's posting style+state of the game

Why would my posting style matter?

[Aeronaut]

hey babe

[Aeronaut]

Convince these mean people why I should stay and help the town

[Aeronaut]

I feel like it would make more sense if it was on Han Solo, and Kylo Wren were the lyncher.

[Aeronaut]

i mean.
i need to know who youre rooting for
me and town or scum and not me!
because flips make it unlikely youre scum messing around with fakeclaim.
if youre just gonna lolkill someone that wouldnt be mislynch bait then id be sad and regret my life decisions.

Cheet you know me, I ain't no troll.

Ill stick to my word, and kill who you guys say. I just want to fuck up scum now honestly

[Aeronaut]

That might be hammer.

Cheetory don't let them lynch me

Pls

[Aeronaut]

Oh I didn't know that was hammer actually, but in reality I don't feel bad if it was.

Yea, so Venmar for group scum?

aero: RC BIG SCUM PLS LYNCH

I'm glad you finally decided to contribute something to the game.

Then again I forgot your slot is probably scum anyway, so I would expect some grasping right off the bat

Cheetory, I'm so sorry you're going to have to play with this playerlist :/ it's like all of their wincon's are to be as shitty as possible.

If that's the case, we all just got endgames, yo.

[Aeronaut]

Here's the thing:

IF Camn is scum...
Trollie is scum.

Would trollie fake a guilty on his buddy?

I mean if this is multiball this is going somewhere.

Aero, were you given Leia specifically as a fakeclaim or did you use it to pretend to be Beloved Princess?

I made it up; I had asked reck for a fake claim during when you said you had your guilty on me, but he wasn't online at the precise time I needed it. Idk, I kind of panicked, but if I had picked out a really random obscure character, everyone probably would have called me on that.

[Aeronaut]

Reads List v. 2.0

[I'm Scum Edition!]

Town

{Keyser Söze, Cheetory}

Null

{Venmar, TheTrollie, SnarkySnowman, Extrapolated Eagle}

Scum Lite™

{TheLoneWolf, Venmar}

Scum

{Camn, RadiantCowbells}

[Aeronaut]

People asking for Aero's reads list as if his win con compels him to help town >.>

Well actually, it's because I'm fairly competent at this game, and I've been more pro-town during the day than most of the people who are actually town in this game, most of whom are just dwiddling around sheeping each other and stifling conversation.

[Aeronaut]

Oh, it' s because halfway through that, I realized I forgotten that I decided you're probably group scum.

[Aeronaut]

Reads List v. 2.1

[I'm Scum Edition!]

Town

{Keyser Söze, Cheetory}

Null

{TheTrollie, SnarkySnowman, Extrapolated Eagle}

Scum Lite™

{TheLoneWolf, Venmar, RadiantCowbells}

Scum

{Camn, Aeronaut}

[Aeronaut]

updated

I also decided that i'm a bit less sure of RC right now; it more depends on flips than anything.

[Aeronaut]

i wish you were town this game aero.
being on the same side as you is fun.
though im still kind of spiteful for cultbs ;D

Oh that time I recruited you in two separate cult games at the same time?

that was 10/10

[Aeronaut]

we pretty much dominate that shit it was great.

[Aeronaut]

If I were to make an absolute guess on what the scum team is right now, I'd say it's {RC, Camn, and then maybe wolf and ven.}

maybe substitute Snarky in there? Dunno.

[Aeronaut]

i hope youre town because i like being condescending to people who are just outright terribly wrong during postgame.

are you trying to be an ass on purpose?

[Aeronaut]

Oh I didn't know that was hammer actually, but in reality I don't feel bad if it was.

Yea, so Venmar for group scum?

To elaborate: ScumVenmar is trying to do whatever he can to lynch this serial killer so that I don't kill him or one of his buddies tonight.

[Aeronaut]

Tbh this game has gotten 1000% more bearable now with cheetory here.

[Aeronaut]

you're wrong if you're town because I'm trying to help you fuck up the scumteam but ZOMGG HE CLAIMED SK LET'S LYNCH HIM RN AND NOT HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS

[Aeronaut]

@Ven

[Aeronaut]

i might stop being rude if people start being damn reasonable and let the cycle play out.
im not horrified by the idea of an aero lynch.
quicklynches are shit though.
especially when there are things to discuss!
and im a fresh replacement with a fresh face that is worth poking/picking at.

*pick*

[Aeronaut]

Gork should we tell that that we're really masons now?

[Aeronaut]

or should we wait

[Aeronaut]

For the record I have no problem Aero saying his peace, i'm just confused as to why Gork was desperate for it. I mean, if Aero doesn't understand why I, from a town perspective, can't trust a serial killer, then there's nothing more to say between him and me.

Well you obviously do have a problem with me saying my reads and stuff because you tried to quicklynch me. Whether I'm scum or not, I'm still being active and forming reads on people; you trying to get rid of me so quick and end this day just makes you look worse in my eyes.

[Aeronaut]

I just don't know how to read him. I feel like he may be coasting with that claim of his.

[Aeronaut]

And it's also possible that he's a scum hated.

[Aeronaut]

Miller = Another reason not to just play follow-the-cop.
Again, this setup is not straightforward.
But Aero is scum on play, as well as on results...so obv

FAIR WARNING

: I am going V\LA starting this weekend for the week. A real life vacation. With dodgy cell coverage even. I will try and keep up...
But I will return. If you guys are gonna get worked up into a camn-murdering frenzy while I'm gone....tell me now so I can straighten you out. Otherwise, I'll be back to full access on the 15th.

Yea... of course I'm scum on play. I claimed scum.

Anyone trying to say "We shouldn't lynch this SK because he played like he was scum all game" should take a second to look at the obliviously silly sentence they just said.

[Aeronaut]

And I said "please don't do that because TSO will literally disassemble your molecules"

[Aeronaut]

Wait what? I'm confused about why you'd lynch RC over your

claimed guilty

[Aeronaut]

I probably wouldn't, actually.

[Aeronaut]

idk. I'll shoot whoever Gork/RC tell me, because everyone else is scum or stupid

[Aeronaut]

Actually yea.

tbh I haven't been paying as much attention since I claimed, but I think Trollie is probably a lyncher the more I think about it.

[Aeronaut]

RC... i dunno. I also sort of started blocking him out because he was pretty much one-note.

[Aeronaut]

Some lynchers win the game if they lynch someone

[Aeronaut]

or give their team some sort of reward? idk

[Aeronaut]

that might make the most sense with this flavour, like a lyncher on a scum team giving that team some reward

[Aeronaut]

Yea, I'm saying the second one is more likely

Pedit @Cheetington

[Aeronaut]

Wait what? I'm confused about why you'd lynch RC over your

claimed guilty

Because RC might be lyncher. I need to think about this though, Uve been skeptical of RC scum.

My 'target' literally claimed scum. What are you saying?

well i don't know why that makes any difference whatsoever

[Aeronaut]

Oh, by the way; I'm going to point out rn that that big Readslist v.1.0 is something i'm going to do all the time now, so no you really should not scum read me for it, unless the list itself is shitty

actually you should basically just assume I'm town always and forever

p-edit.... what?

[Aeronaut]

you know what

i'm not feeling too great about Trollie in general

[Aeronaut]

Didn't you already claim?

[Aeronaut]

Oh wait, I'm actually an idiot

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

[Aeronaut]

Reck can I quote posts from private topics here?

[Aeronaut]

Trollie LITERALLY claimed scum to Amihan and I've been fucking dumb all day and haven't used my neighbor search thing

[Aeronaut]

ok, full claim time.

The name of my role is Ben Solo. Apparently my role is the inverse of Amman's; I'm third party, but under a few different conditions I could join The First Order [which I assume is group scum], which would change my role to Kylo Ren. I don't know exactly what powers I'd get for doing that.

My role as it stands only has a nightly kill, and something i'd forgotten that basically lets me pick a player each day that I can see if they have any non-scum PTs. If they are, I get to view secretly/ anonymously into that PT for the remainder of the day. I did this yesterday with Aneninen.

Trollie seems really sketchy as fuck to me today, so I was just looking through my role to see if anything contradicted what he has been spewing about lynchers and whatnot, and then I remembered I could use this.

[Aeronaut]

I don't know how Trollie got this information, but in that hood basically Trollie tells Amihan that he knew he was some sort of traitor, and that they could use that PT as a daytalk

[Aeronaut]

What I'm guessing happened, is that the way I could be recruited was that the first order kills me; e.g. recruiting me to their side.

And that's what they tried to do with Amihan? That's all I can think of.

[Aeronaut]

So I no longer understand this setup

in any way/shape/form.


I want to lynch Trollie though.
VOTE: Trollie

[Aeronaut]

hi