(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[TheLoneWolf]

Get everybody and their stuff together

ok

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VOTE: Tails

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The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

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Unvote:
Vote: RadiantCowbells

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Damn caught on page 1....

Sorry Trollie

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Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.

I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.

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shits and giggles

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And I'm sure his getting an extra vote to put him in the lead had nothing to do with it...

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

[TheLoneWolf]

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

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Vigilante target #1: SnarkySnowman

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VOTE: Amihan
Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.

I have no observation like that, but this is the page top of the THIRD page, so NOW I can say that I'm town.

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Amihan and Aneninen confirmed not scum together, remember this future self.

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can't pass this up

VOTE: camn

<3

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Unvote:
Vote: RadiantCowbells

Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.

I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.

can't pass this up

VOTE: camn

<3

@TheLoneWolf - what's your current read on RadiantCowbells?

Can't really penetrate his motives at the moment, but I'd be fine if that was a real wagon that took off.

aka leaning scum

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RC's posts are getting a bit better over time

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15 and 18 both protect you.

15?

Again that seems to be a stretch to call voting a not Trollie wagon on page 1 defending

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Like I see what you're trying to get at it, and I know I'm biased because I have my role pm but- there's connecting dots that aren't there (Look he's scum with Trollie by defending him!) and then there's stretching cases in order to get a mislynch (He's voting everyone that voted Trollie! Patterns!)

The latter is more forced and less reasonable. I mean its been a few years but do people really think scum act that way with their buddies?

[TheLoneWolf]

Let me show the real version of my thought process:

Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.

Tails vote is basically RVS with me ignoring the so called "Trollie slip" since I thought it was a town slip.

Explained RC vote.

camn's push on Trollie feels off, mostly because I'd expect other competent town players to be reading Trollie the same as myself.

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Like I see what you're trying to get at it, and I know I'm biased because I have my role pm but- there's connecting dots that aren't there (Look he's scum with Trollie by defending him!) and then there's stretching cases in order to get a mislynch (He's voting everyone that voted Trollie! Patterns!)

The latter is more forced and less reasonable. I mean its been a few years but do people really think scum act that way with their buddies?

Where did I push you? Where did I call you scum? Where did I imply that I thought it was scummy to defend someone in RVS?

That post was more directed at Tails, sorry for the confusion

[TheLoneWolf]

15 and 18 both protect you.

15?

Again that seems to be a stretch to call voting a not Trollie wagon on page 1 defending

Not because it wasn't a trollie wagon. But because it was voting the player that was leading the trollie wagon.

You saw tails post. So why are you misrepping here? Like my mind is spinning because I don't see what you gain for trying to take this and spin it this way as either alignment.

Yeah but the post itself was clearly a RVS entry into the game, so taking it seriously as a "defending" or "protecting" action is seeing things that aren't there. You yourself admit this in 241, when you say that you didn't imply that defending someone in the RVS is scummy.

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Bout time.

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If camn is town the only scumread I have is Eagle but I was trying to keep that under wraps

Unvote
Vote: Eagle

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Nah there is something awkward between the three of you.

My vote is still trying to decide between RC and camn though

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Why not Trollie?

If you agree there is scum in me, RC and Trollie... WTF WOULDNT YOU BE VOTING TROLLIE??!

Because I've already stated why I think Trollie is town...? I didn't say I agreed there is one scum in there but idk whats going on, I said the interaction between you 3 is off so yes lynching there would be good

[TheLoneWolf]

Keyser, your speculation and Wolf and Trollie is wrong.

They're avoiding each other like the plague.

That's a blatant misrepresentation if I've ever seen one

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The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC

Damn caught on page 1....

Sorry Trollie

Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.

That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience

15 and 18 both protect you.

15?

Again that seems to be a stretch to call voting a not Trollie wagon on page 1 defending

Let me show the real version of my thought process:

Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.

Tails vote is basically RVS with me ignoring the so called "Trollie slip" since I thought it was a town slip.

Explained RC vote.

camn's push on Trollie feels off, mostly because I'd expect other competent town players to be reading Trollie the same as myself.

If you mean direct interaction with Trollie that's not on me, there isn't much I need from him.

[TheLoneWolf]

"Yes, I admit Trollie is weird, but...LOOK OVER THERE!
...
And that's why he's town. Now who were we talking about and can we lynch Camn?"

How is 239 me saying that Trollie is weird? That post was clearly about how I think people painting the connection between me and Trollie is a bit forced (which I'm biased against because I know there's no scumbuddy connection).


This post, 267, is an example of what I am referring to in 239

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Wait, you're voting Camn but you think he's town? i'm not sure I'm following your logic.

camn is a she. I think Trollie is town who is a he...

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I have my own reasons for not wanting to vote Aneinen that will play out over a few days.

Willing to trust this "RC as a god town player" and see how that shakes out.

I find myself agreeing with Eagle on Aero which is disturbing.

Aero goes through a lot of hoops and makes a big fanfare to arrive at the scumreads of "Trolle +TLW" which seems lazy and quite popular as opposed to actual scumhunting.

And the reasoning for finding me scum being that I have only one scumread is suspect... that is very weak as well. I'm a bit rusty and do better with players I know because I get reads off interactions and genuineness, so I won't be catching the scumteam D1 it doesn't feel like.

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Also I like Amihan and Venmar for town

I think The Bulge just has to be scum at this point by PoE

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VOTE: Aeronaut

Not pleased with yesterday's events. Please lynch Snarky that hammer was complete bullshit

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I know we have more protective roles so I'll take jailkeeper on me.

Thanks in advance you won't regret it

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Send the mod a message?

Seems awkward.

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whatever, camn is scum by play anyway and Eagle's deduction that she's town is complete bullshit.

Unvote:
Vote: camn

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For the record Aero is still probscum I just feel like getting camn's fakeclaim too

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yeah there's really no way Aero is town but lock camn into a claim too

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No.

I think it's plenty likely that scum decided to throw a fake guilty and hope that they could NK and have Aero talk his way out.

We lynch Aero today.

There's still more than one scum team unless its like 3-1-1 or some shit.

I guess I should sit down and look at the characters and break the setup open but its more fun this way

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RC if your theory is Trollie faking a guilty to try and save Aero for a day thats pretty ridiculous

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Aero you playing the whole "lynch the BP lose the game" card just makes you more obvscum

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Aeronaut you would've been left alive as our dog if you had shot Snarky and gone the Vigilante route

Alas

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I wouldn't be surprised if Reck gave scum and the SK the same fakeclaim

I'm down for Aero to be leahed but he'll probably just shoot RC out of spite

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Well camn is locked into a flavor claim at least....

Normally this would be the best time to go the blood for the blood god route but given Aero's reaction to RC's play he can't be trusted to act sensibly toward his win con.

Less kills, more townies alive, etc.

Unvote:
Vote: Aeronaut

[TheLoneWolf]

I am mostly confirmed, but we don't need to even bother with that bridge unless we get to it.

My day play should speak for itself first off

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:/ you dont think him trying to excuse lynching aero based on him being "irrational" rather than him being scum is questionable?

You should probably read the game.

He is SK, claimed SKs either get leashed or lynched. I am arguing why the latter is better bc of Aeronaut's posting style+state of the game

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We had pre-game chat, then I cried alone in my QT mourning his death.

RC seems like a role more worth protecting over myself. Although a scum tracker would be a shame too, its unlikely given his play.

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No

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[because hes maybe scum trying to make bad excuses for lynching you] ;D hi aero.

do scum really need to make excuses to lynch a claimed SK?

Like, I get that my thoughts don't translate perfectly into posts but I don't know what the hell shade you're trying to cast here

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I feel like it would make more sense if it was on Han Solo, and Kylo Wren were the lyncher.

Loren is on the scumteam, please.

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If Reck is about to lock the thread I do suggest you don't waste your time on the conf-town Neighbor and read camn, Trollie, and Eagle especially

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Then again I forgot your slot is probably scum anyway, so I would expect some grasping right off the bat

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Killing you would confirm camn as scum if thats the case

I don't think scum is gonna go for you tho

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yeah rc scumclaimed.
if aero is sk he didnt target tails.

???

Why?

And why would RC fake a tracker on Aero to a target he says he didn't touch?

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Venmar is pretty town because of the census ability and his play surrounding that.

I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.

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Had snowman still not posted anything of substance?

I'm leaning towards Aero

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Wow Snarky your team must be very disappointed in you

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Aero is scum on play...?

I mean he claimed SK

This is the sort of over justification that you're looking for in scum, Gork

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Miller = Another reason not to just play follow-the-cop.
Again, this setup is not straightforward.
But Aero is scum on play, as well as on results...so obv

FAIR WARNING

: I am going V\LA starting this weekend for the week. A real life vacation. With dodgy cell coverage even. I will try and keep up...
But I will return. If you guys are gonna get worked up into a camn-murdering frenzy while I'm gone....tell me now so I can straighten you out. Otherwise, I'll be back to full access on the 15th.

Post I was referring to

[TheLoneWolf]

and are you aware of these reasons?
because to me it looks like its because of the "he had the same thing in his rolePM as me"

We have a lot of other scum to lynch. Don't worry you won't be NKd BC I'm not scim and we can go further with this conversation some other day

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No idea what trollkes post is about but if that's how things have devolved I think this day is ready to end with an Aero lynch

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VOTE: Aeronaut

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Thats cool Aero
Good info.

No need for camn to claim in light of this or any of that to be sorted out otday

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I guess I did believe Aero a bit too quickly, I forgot that he desperately wants to live

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Go for it

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Game is way too easy

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Was out of town camping, looks like we're breaking the game


Scum is in

Snarky
Gorkington
Eagle

That's why game is easy.

I'm the cocky pilot guy obviously, just a neighbor

[TheLoneWolf]

We have to Lynch Snowman today for reasons that should be obvious.

I'll proper claim later as well as explain what made me so town to my neighbor

[TheLoneWolf]

Poe Dameron, Neighbor

Built in-comm link let met to talk to OH NO WHATS HIS ALIGNMENT? Amenien

So we had pre game talk, and I came up with this idea to confirm our alignments to eachother- I posted a link with: time.gov/HTML5/ and told him to sync time with me.

Since he was online and we were posting back and forth, I set a time 7 mins from the itme I posted the link. I said we would simul-claim our Map to Skywalker Bonuses, and that would make me feel a lot better about him (I was inside Reck's head and there was no way he'd share the bonus of the other person's role, not would he even make scum neighbors in this game anyway because of flavor but I was gonna follow through on my brilliant idea).

Apparently pidgeon was phone posting so he fucked up the simulpost.

I posted alone my bonus, which is that pidgeon's alignment would be revealed to me.

BUT I PHRASED IT IN THE QT AS: "your alignment will be confirmed"

he posted like 2 mins later with a very rushed post "alignment confirmed" with typos and shit.

Now, if he had HAD a post ready it SHOULD have said "revealed" or something, but it looked VERY much like he had just copied what I said and faked the whole "oops mistimed the simulpost".

So I actually had a secret scumread on him, but I told him he was town so scum might keep me alive and I could make the epic last lynch on scum and turn on him.

But we all know that's not how it went.


SO he thought I was town as fuck because I posted it FIRST and, him being flipped and confirmed town-had the same map mechanic as me so I was confirmed to him even though he really wasn't confirmed to me because of the timing.

And yes scum are going to chime in and say "YOURE NOT CONFIRMED WHAT IF SCUM COULD HAVE HAD INFOZ"

look I get it, Im not conftown. But if you don't have a townread because of the PROCESS I went through and the mindset that's clear, well you're just fuckin blind or scum.

But don't took my word for it, Pidgeon was there and look what he had to say.

Popcorn Eagle

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Trollie how many braincells have you lost since I last saw you?

We have to lynch the "claimed" hated townie THE DAY BEFORE LYLO OR ELSE ITS JUST AN AUTOLOSS TO SCUM.

Like this is basic math, mafia, common sense,

look at snarkys ISO thats full of shit

, etc.

Vote: Snarky

Also Gorkington is SK given all these BS theatrics and suspecting Venmar. But I don't think there even is an SK, there's TWO SCUMTEAMS-purple and red, am I right?

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It was a mixture of laziness of not wanting to type it all out, and 2 not even necessary at that time since there was no likelihood of me even being seen as scum, most people (mostly sscum prob) were just like "NO WAI CONFTOWN? HOW!?" and wanted distractions that I didn't feel the need to give out.

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Gorkington actually since you're around I'm changing my popcorn to you


Really curious after your posts today

[TheLoneWolf]

Why didn't you shoot N1

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likelihood someone would flake with a vig role...

meh I've replaced a vig before.

You're not dying today anyway

[TheLoneWolf]

Actually the camn shot is a point in your favor.

Why would you help town kill the scumteam after we just lynched one?

You'd let all of today be Trollie v camn fest, which would result in us lynching camn and a whole day would have gone by without you being on the radar.

camn was a pro-town shot. Now we just have to figure out where the Amihan shot came from

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Something about unvoting and not wanting the day to end, but I might not be around again so I'll just leave that there.


Snarky is flipping scum anyway so I don't care. There's no way that guys is (useful to?) town

[TheLoneWolf]

Found the scum RB awesome

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Unless you really are a SK dumb enough to shoot Camn and you and Gork doubled up...

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no I'm giving you a pass for now

Eagle is defscum

Snarky has to die either way

Keyser/Venmar are all that's left?

What if Trollie is the third party <__<

[TheLoneWolf]

Rey, moody non-conforming Survivor stalker thing


nah

its all good

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Alternatively Venmar is a god at fakeclaiming and townplay and there's not even 5 scum (sketch as hell balance even for reck. We could be at 3 town- 4scum or something crazy if game had played diff)

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<-been callin Eagle scum before it was cool, you're all welcome.

Is there any reason no one else is claiming map abilities?

Does that thing even exist?

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yeah thats a pretty big slip.

Every aspect of Snarkys claim is botched.

"I didnt know he was at L-1 WHOOPS"

"oh I meant 2 votes lol ofc"

also I don't do the whole flavor speculating thing re: "too shitty to be fakeclaims" so we're not gonna lynch based off that while I have a say

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too many to count really

I was just hoping there was a jailkeep or 2 protective roles because at that time I thought it was 2-2-1 vs. town.

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Yeah your play was atrocious Snarky, I don't regret that lynch for one second.

I vote for Key to start the claims as well

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I'll share my thoughts after claims, but I this game is pretty close to broken open. That said if Venmar isn't lying we have 2 scum alive and its LyLo.

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Key didn't get shot because he's scum,

That's the explanation here. also this constant "why would there be a scum censor!???" Is some bs reasoning for his N2 (or was it N3?) watch target.


I forgot Eagle's claim one sec

[TheLoneWolf]

oh Eagle has to claim his roleblock target

That's what has to happen

[TheLoneWolf]

Also Trollie I hope you targeted Venmar to show Key's claim is BS

something tells me that didn't happen.

Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser

claimed a result

and was therefore not roleblocked.


So Eagle scum implies Key scum

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You're kidding right Trollie

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The kill breaks this game open Trollie wake the fuck up.

If I'm scum you're saying that I either left a CLAIMED WATCHER OR ROLEBLOCKER alive and killed a one shot vig instead

That's bullshit and you know it

[TheLoneWolf]

Keyser claim is BS and if you think I'm scum with him then us not killing Eagle (who is the least town person by day play in the game right now) then you've fallen far

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It's not WIFOM, it's terrible scum play and goes against all notions of reality
You're just dismissing examining the night kill because you made it.


Yeah Key scum is very clear now. I'll explain what I meant later Trollie I'll speak nice and slow

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Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

Ok So....

If Eagle is Scum then he is a roleblocker right?

IF Eagle scum is a roleblocker who does it make the most sense for him to roleblock if he's going to leave them alive?

The Watcher. He's the only person alive with an active ability that can catch scum, and there were no claimed protective roles that needed to be blocked either.

Keyser did NOT claim to be roleblocked.

Therefore, if Eagle is scum, then Keyser HAS to be as well.

But this is pointless to elaborate on because you believe Eagle's claim bc of flavor.

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Yeah Key scum is very clear now.

Nothing is clear. You keep saying everything is simple and clear, and that the game "is way too easy" - it isn't mate.

You're just dismissing examining the night kill because you made it.

Show me where I 'dismissed examining the night kill'. This is a miss-rep, I intend to go over D1 - D3 and N1 - N3

thoroughly

.

Ok, let's see your analysis.

Here's mine:

Which SCUM pairings make sense to kill Gorkington?


Trollie- Town Useless Cop
Venmar-Town Useless Censor
Gorkington-Town Claimed 1-shot Vig
Eagle- Town ROLEBLOCKER (powerful role. Would be effective guilty if successful and no kills)
Keyser-Town WATCHER (powerful role, catches scum and verifies power claims).
TheLoneWolf- Town Useless Neighbor


Ok

Now.

Scum get to kill someone last night.

If I'm scum, who am I paired with that Gorkington makes sense?

The two most POWERFUL ROLES-Watcher and roleblocker are the only kills that make sense because night play is important.

LoneWolf+EAgle (since you can't implicate yourself) has to kill YOU Keyser, right? OR at least roleblock you. But neither happened.


Eagle+Keyser- the two powerful roles- get to choose who to kill. On the offchance Gorkginton's map ability gave him another kill or something, thats the kill that makes sense.

Venmar+ Keyser- Possibly would kill gorkington because Eagle is a good mislynch target (Look at Venmar's proposed lynch for today).

Also Keyser has been soft pushign Venmar as confirmed town ebcause of census ability since yesterday and watching him for less than plausible reasons over obvious watch targets. Keyser's N2 Watch is in particularly questionable.

Venmar+Eagle - Would roleblock Keyser or kill him. No way they let a Watcher live who could force a 1v1 situation in LyLo. No way they would give him free information.

Venmar+Trollie - ???? Would kill One fo the real power roles left and power lynch someone because this team would win the game easily. Obv least likely due to Trollie's play.

I am most comfortable with a Kesyer lynch because of the Venmar+Keyser potential team. His claim is also the shoddiest given his watch targets. Even his result on camn visiting RC screams inside info of what the scumteam actually has been doing with their Powers that haven't been reavealed.

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hmm I feel pretty dumb now Venmar you're right.

So uh

Its pretty safe to say that Keyser is just regular scum then amirite.

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To be honest I still don't know what the hell the missing kill is about.

I almost want to say that the scum had a double NK power one night, because there's no evidence of Sk besides. It might be just some weird survivor or flavor 3rd party that has niche win conditions.

If there are two kills still going out and they both killed Gork, yeah BS.

I can see scum killing Gork thinking hes a SK

But the SK wouldn't shoot Gork no way.

Also are we ever going to claim map movement? Seems like that mechanic has done jackall

[TheLoneWolf]

It is actually clearer now that you mention it has to be 1 scum left Venmar:

A solo scum HAS to kill the watcher at this point, otherwise he risks getting seen and putting himself in a 1v1 situation when he has TWO days left to survive.

Now its possible Eagle is the last group scum and he roleblocked me and nokilled in order to frame me. And when I flip town tomorrow he can go "oh who knows!?"

Which would make Keyser the SK that shot Gorkington... yeah that doesn't make too much sense either.


Goin with my theory of Keyser is last scum and theres a weird 3rd party

[TheLoneWolf]

Busy packing and moving .


I understand your resistance to trusting me Venmar but there's a big difference between safe claims and confirmed roles. I'm confirmed as a neighbor and that's helluva lot better than Key/Eagle

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K however you want to be paranoid Trollie...

You do realize if I was scum and CONFIRMED TOWN AMEIHEAENZ called me confirmed town I could've fabricated a much better story to show why he thought I was town.

Instead I went with the truth, which isn't always as pretty but shines through if you have clarity.


But all that aside,

Look who hasn't posted his promised content because its takes a lot more effort for scum to do that sort of thing

Vote: Keyser

I'm set.

[TheLoneWolf]

and I wasn't bringing up the verification again, just the face that I'm role confirmed as a neighbor.

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Unvote

I thought we determined it would be absurd for it to be a 2man scumteam left so one vote by town isn't enough to quicklynch but w.e

[TheLoneWolf]

What's your bad is a complete lack of content today. Who is scum?

What if is between me and Key? What are your thoughts?

[TheLoneWolf]

Oh what's this? Is Keyser forming an actual stance today?

Key+Eagle still fine with either

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Keyser is by far the better lynch though

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Its not COMPLETELY impossible that there is a town and a scum RB, and I'm just more sure on Keyser's play as reading scum.

There's a small chance Eagle is just as shit at town as Snarky was (and Snarky flipped scum-reference SpyreX signature)

[TheLoneWolf]

Can I vote Keyser yet or are we still going with the RB oh noes lynch.

I mean it would be kinda stupid for Eaglescum to RB a useless cop and confirm himself as scum

[TheLoneWolf]

Oooh a new development

Now we might get somewhere today

[TheLoneWolf]

Venmar
TheTrollie
Extrapolated Eagle
TheLoneWolf
Keyser Söze (1): TheLoneWolf

Not Voting: Venmar, TheTrollie, Extrapolated Eagle, Keyser Söze

3 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-31 12:00:00)

3 days tho

[TheLoneWolf]

1) There is a Map to Luke Skywalker out there that every person is trying to get their hands on.
2) The Map will begin in the hands of a predetermined player.
3) Every role in the game has a special ability or modifier that activates if they have the Map.
4) If you have the Map, you must pass it to another player at night.
5) If a person is killed while they have the Map, the Map will pass to their killer.
6) If the Map holder is lynched, the person who cast the hammer vote will receive the Map and must pass it that night.

So Map resolves before killing and scum have it now I'm guessing

great

[TheLoneWolf]

Do we have a map of the map movement this game?

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I'm willing to lynch Dwlee on the same grounds as Snarky, just bad and if town will lose us the game inevitably.

so I should probably vote actual scum this time

VOTE: Keyser

[TheLoneWolf]

^more likely scum at least.

Jurys still out on Eagle, though I've been scumreading that slot all game.

Dwlee why did you replace in if you're clearly not going to take time for this game.

Were you just hoping to roll town?

[TheLoneWolf]

But Keyser has been avoiding this thread and hasn't even pretended to add anything useful for at least a week now

I'm voting Keyser for a combination of role claim (botched fakeclaim imo) and his dayplay today.

[TheLoneWolf]

I'll be over here waiting for Keyser to form an actual fucking opinion on me one way or the other.

That fence has got to hurt.

Or you know, reads on ANYONE in the entire game that matter besides "oh Trollie is towN" etc

[TheLoneWolf]

???

You deserve it. Read the game or gtfo

I've lost my patience

[TheLoneWolf]

ah hell we're going to just have to lynch Dwlee and this is how the game is going to potentially end?

[TheLoneWolf]

Vote; Dwlee

Here goes...

[TheLoneWolf]

still feelsbadman

Kill Keyser etc. not that I'm dying amirite

[TheLoneWolf]

VOTE: Dwlee just in case tags

[TheLoneWolf]

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Well..

What do we have here.

I believe it is your move, Keyser

[TheLoneWolf]

I think this game has been broken open for sometime, but I'll let fate surprise me

[TheLoneWolf]

That presupposes that Keyser isn't town and finally got some useful information with his watcher ability

[TheLoneWolf]

also since colors apparently don't mean jack shit

@Reck: Is Underworld Scum the same faction as First Order Mafia?

[TheLoneWolf]

if Underworld scum is another faction then yeah its just Eagle+Keyser like I'd been saying for awhile

but...

well I'll hold my cards for now

[TheLoneWolf]

Yeah Keyser is about 99% confirmed scum then.

Here's my reasons for voting him:

1. There's no way in hell Venmar scum would leave a Watcher alive which could potentially ruin his plans. He could shoot Keyser and still get me lynched with Trollie easy

2. Underworld scum had to be pretty powerful this game having only 2 members (though I get it Trollie's role balanced the other team+Survivor Traitor w/e), which means Keyser and Eagle real claiming their roles make sense and Venmar's role is too weak for scum to have.

Why you should vote Keyser over me:

1. My role as Neighbor is also too weak for scum to have in comparison to investigative powers of watcher or what not

2. No one in the underworld lore of STarwars even makes sense as part of a cockpit neighborhood with Amenien's character. First Order mafia you could stretch because a comm link between the two opposing sides during final battle scene is plausible, but underworld scum are not shown in that way


3. I'll re-read game and make my case on Keyser scum with links to Eagle and other various reasons tomorrow or Monday when I have time. But we'll see if Keyser even gives enough of a shit to make an attempt here. If you re-read yesterday you'll see Keyser doesn't ONCE EVEN BEGIN to state a read on ANYONE in the fucking game really. He just coasts on "maybes" and having a "idk maybe TLW is scum pushing on me" lean but never does any actual scumhunting or attempting to figure out the game. If you read this game with an open mind Venmar you'll either see my town mindset the entire time or not. I've townslipped inevitably given my alignment

4. I"m not going to put that much effort into convincing you today. You should look at the rest of the game when there's no pressure and see our actions in that light rather than in this pressure situation where both of us have to convince you in order to win

[TheLoneWolf]

Well not voting yet ont he .0001% chance Keyser comes in with a guilty on you and I have to rethink everything, but yeah just going through motions so I don't let down the town

[TheLoneWolf]

Finally someone who cares!

I have a trump card Venmar, but its for after Keyser posts. Don't worry, its really good ;D

I've never touched the map and for good reason, useless for me

[TheLoneWolf]

Im glad you looked at interactions because Keyser's ISO of Eagle is just SCREAMING coaching.

I dont have daytalk with my neighbor so I figure its the same with scum

[TheLoneWolf]

Well it's usually better to be blunt to RC because that's really how he usually is;

The other thing I noticed is that RC didn't respond to most of these prods

, even though he later tried to say "Aero isn't really trying to sort me".

Yes, the interactions between you and RadiantCowbells have admittedly not been 'clean' - I see a game of tug-of-war (not, let-me-find-out-who-you-are:

HOWEVER

, this could be due to personality versus personality.)

Do you think we're both scum?

This did cross my mind (i.e scum theatre) - but I'm not going to push it.

@Key what is it that we're not on the same page about?

I will answer this tonight.

Could you share thoughts on key, pls?

He's kind of hard for me to read

atm.

Please quote any of my posts which you are finding "hard" to read.

I'm not a fan of Snarky voting Trollie earlier

TheTrollie's opening post was unsettling - I can see why/how SnarkySnowman voted.

I don't think he actually has that much confidence on either of his reads

It's page two, day one - I don't think this is alignment indicative (reads won't be strong).

and it reads like he's exaggerating them for the purpose of overselling it because this is RVS and that's what people do to be funny or personable. But even though the votes and reasons look like subtle trolling, at the same time it also feels like he's subtly testing the waters and framing it in a way such that he can choose to pretend either of them was serious and continue on from that later when they likely weren't at the time. The "takes 2 less votes to lynch me" line also points to this kind of scum-beneficial trolling.

I did not see the 'hated townie' as a scum-troll-gambit. Speaking from experience, town-SnarkySnowman does play with a sledge-hammer. I'll dip into his scum-meta later.

That's a lot to go through on my phone but what stamds out is that

I don't like the path he took early on to bring Trollie to "uncomfortable"

.

Show me where I have expressed TheTrollie as a 'comfortable'/town read? Please quote any of my posts which support your above opinion.

1 post + time = uncomfortable

.

Although, I don't get your readlist; it doesn't seem to
match your catchups.

It was half read-list/half action-list.
"Comfortable" = they do not require my immediate attention.
"Same-wavelength. More please." = similar opinions expressed but require more input.
"Who are you guys?" = please post.
"Not scum-reading, but not quite on the same page." = good and bad. Require attention to figure out positions.
"Uncomfortable" = made a stink.
"Fist of suspicion" = require

immediate

sorting.

i.e they are

not

firm categories of me saying SnarkySnowman=town or RadiantCowbells=scum, but they do indicate alignment-leans.

Also, this should be answered:

I am not interested in your position at B, C or D. It is at position A (your original/natural reaction) that I found suspect.

And will you stick to A even after E, F, G, H, Q, Z, ß?

I will evaluate A, E, F, G, H, Q, Z, ß all individually and as a body

Anyways the point wasn't that you're hard to read. I feel okish about you as town for the moment,

I was trying to get reads out of ami and maybe a response that helped me baseline them for how they react so I could read them better

Well that's the thing -

engage me directly

, not via asking someone else for their read on me If you are expressing a position you should be able to defend/explain it. I'm going to dip into your town/scum-meta too.

etc.

Thats interaction wise the case.


The case of JUST ON Keyser really comes from his play yesterday. He did NOTHING but refute a case on me. That is legit the entirety of his contribution yesterday. Barely any evidence of scumhunting, just DEFENDING himself from my case of a Eagle+Key scumteam (which turns out was spot on lol go me)

[TheLoneWolf]

but yeah Dead QT don't worry I know the trump card, so don't be sweating it.

The excitement about it has kinda died down though because Keyser apparently has completely abandoned this game

he's definitely within prod range now Reck

[TheLoneWolf]

Guessing you watched Venmar again for no result huh buddy

[TheLoneWolf]

Keyser:do you detect map movement as well or just PR use?

PR use only (there is no mention of map movement in PM) - Camn targeted RC N1. It wasn't a kill (as I would have seen a doctor target RC too). It wasn't a block (as RC received his tracker report).

I think scum had an investigative power.

At the time I thought it was a protective power

(theory: Camn/RC scum team)

. If RC had roleclaimed like any other normal person I would have believed him straight away. No point fake-claiming a guilty on Aeronaut as a gambit The Tracker result from the start would have been suffice.

I targeted Venmar N2 because I thought he would have been a likely scum kill target (scum having a scum census makes less sense). Moreover, why would scum reveal this info? Information is power.

FOUND A GEM

Also this is proof that Keyser knew there was two scum teams.

I didn't know until just today


but Keyser has known there were two man scumteams all along.

Both because of the size of his theory (2 people)

AND

because he thought they woul dhav ea PROTECTIVE ROLE.

Whos mind thinks scum have a protective role? They only need one if multiple factions exists.

Yeah

I'm so ready to vote now

especially since Keyser doesn't have a gulty result on Venmar which would've been the ONLY thing to make me hesistate

VOTE: Keyser

Let's go

[TheLoneWolf]

Awesome lets win

[TheLoneWolf]

rock is that the deadline post extension or did that not happen? Just getting off VLA now

That is with the extension.

Venmar
TheTrollie
Dwlee99 (2): Venmar, TheTrollie
TheLoneWolf (1): Dwlee99
Keyser Söze (1): TheLoneWolf

Not Voting: Keyser Söze

3 to lynch.
Deadline is (expired on 2016-04-03 12:00:00)

Vote; Dwlee

Here goes...

Remember how the deadline was just about to expire? I don't remember the math since I'm in a different time zone, but I'm pretty sure the deadline was like 5-6 hours away.

If the deadline had hit and a no lynch occurred, I could've NK'd Trollie and it would be 2-2 scum win endgame.

All the town had to lynch scum yesterday in order for a lynch to go through that close to deadline. The entire wagon on Dwlee is town.

I hope I have made it clear?

If I were scum I could've abstained from voting and the deadline would've passed and we would've won.

I am confirmed town for real now.

[TheLoneWolf]

Town win Venmar, thanks.

Though hard to feel good about it with this performance from Keyser. I mean I get it you were V/LA or didn't have time but you really didn't even begin to try these past 2-3 days....