Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: kaintepes For being Laharl

[Phoenix Wright]

and here comes the waiting game to see if the mod will accept that as a vote... i'm on the edge of my seat, really!

So am I lol

[Phoenix Wright]

It feels like either one of 3 thinhs is happening right now

Either
1)Soren is town and his reasons for being suspicious of garmr are right
2)Garmr is town and Soren is trying to paint him in a bad light because he's scum
Or
3)Both of you are scum and this is some early scum distancing

[Phoenix Wright]

*things

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: Phoenox Wright maybe both of them are TOWN??? You didn't consider that??

I don't like how defensive and tense they got right off the bat. It's just a feeling, but I think at least one of them is scum

[Phoenix Wright]

It feels like either one of 3 thinhs is happening right now

Either
1)Soren is town and his reasons for being suspicious of garmr are right
2)Garmr is town and Soren is trying to paint him in a bad light because he's scum
Or
3)Both of you are scum and this is some early scum distancing

And what do you think it is?

I can't tell yet. But I'm leaning towards option 2 so far.

[Phoenix Wright]

Just noticed that 3 people haven't posted yet

[Phoenix Wright]

Just noticed that 3 people haven't posted yet

Can you give me your town and scum reads?
~Bee

I don't have much to go on yet. The closest thing I have to a read right now is that I'm slightly suspicious of Soren, garmr and barn of Justice because it looked like Soren might've been defending him (possible scum partners?).

P-edit: Wow, you guys really hate lawyers

[Phoenix Wright]

Hiya guys, I just came in. Sorry for being incredibly slow, going to take some time to read.

~ kirro

UNVOTE:

I haven't consulted my other head about this read but this guy is trying so hard and is pinging me so hard I have vote him twice.

VOTE: Garmr
VOTE: Garmr

Garmr has been incredibly awkward this game.

~Bee

This is so conflicting. If you haven't read then how dors Garmr seem like he's trying too hard to you?

[Phoenix Wright]

Turtles is 2 PERSON in one account it seems, weird for Phoenix to scumread them because of that...

I never said that I was scum reading them

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm not actually seeing bee's read on Garmr. Will probably discuss with him before I get back.

Kain seems new, and I don't think he would deliberately attract attention like this as scum. I've seen him post elsewhere before and it tends to be similar, so I'm not inclined to take it as a tell.

@Phoenix: Do you still believe that one of Garmr/Soren is scum?

~ kirro

They haven't posted on this page at all, so I don't know why you think my opinion would change

[Phoenix Wright]

oh I just think a phoenix is a FireBird
Firebringer is FireDragoon

I am a toothless

I thought you were a nightfury

[Phoenix Wright]

Turtles of despair, what are your reads?

[Phoenix Wright]

I thought you were a nightfury

Thats just my species, I have a name you jerk.

Sorry

[Phoenix Wright]

Turtles of despair, what are your reads?

Well me and Kirro got like 0 synergy right now because Kain is weird af right now but she has experience with him and says he is town so I will go with that.

Phoenix is giving me bad pings

Coren's opening was really weird and he could have voted like a normal person in rvs when he saw something was off.

~Bee

VOTE: pw

They deserve the noose.

I'm having as much trouble sorting town and scum as I am sorting troll or bad.

garmr wagon is lol worthy.

Explain yourselves, guys

[Phoenix Wright]

Explain yourselves, guys

You hardcore fence sat pretty early on.

Do you even hear yourself? If it's the top of the second page of the game, obviously we don't have enough information to make strong judgements about anyone. That's not sitting on the fence. It's playing like a normal person. I've been thinking about this for a while and since you want me to take a strong stance, here you go

VOTE: turtles of despair

[Phoenix Wright]

@turtles of despair You're not trying to get a read on me. I have more votes than everyone else and so far you've just tried to justify your position on the wagon

[Phoenix Wright]

Explain yourselves, guys

You hardcore fence sat pretty early on.

Do you even hear yourself? If it's the top of the second page of the game, obviously we don't have enough information to make strong judgements about anyone. That's not sitting on the fence. It's playing like a normal person. I've been thinking about this for a while and since

you want me to take a strong stance, here you go

VOTE: turtles of despair

It is the top of the second page and you said all but 1 situation is possible in an interaction. I think town would have a stronger position then that or at least pretend to in order to get a reaction out of someone. You also at least could have tried to give your vote some credibility.
VOTE: Fire Birdo
VOTE: Fire Birdo

Good thing me and Kirro have 2 votes

~Bee

It's funny that you've been talking about fence sitting yet you've called me scummy for a while and only just voted me lol

@turtles of despair You're not trying to get a read on me. I have more votes than everyone else and so far you've just tried to justify your position on the wagon

I was on the Soren wagon until my last post. I thought Soren was scummier than you until your recent posts.
~Bee

Thanks for the OMGUS

[Phoenix Wright]

PW, are you scum?

Nope. Are you?

[Phoenix Wright]

PW, are you scum?

Nope. Are you?

Are you

sure

you're not scum?

Defense attorneys uphold the law. We don't break the law.

[Phoenix Wright]

@Turtles




No, I voted you because your posts have bothered me for a while. Early on you just asked questions for the sake of asking questions. And then you said you thought I might be scum but didn't say why. Your hypocrisy about saying that I was scum for fence sitting when you yourself were doing the same thing was the final straw that caused me to vote for you. You're the one who OMGUSed because you didn't vote for me until I voted for you because you wanted to use that opportunity to say that I was the one OMGUSing.

P-edit: This is no misunderstanding. You're very suspicious

[Phoenix Wright]

Prime example of you asking a silly question just to look like you're engaging

I'm not actually seeing bee's read on Garmr. Will probably discuss with him before I get back.

Kain seems new, and I don't think he would deliberately attract attention like this as scum. I've seen him post elsewhere before and it tends to be similar, so I'm not inclined to take it as a tell.

@Phoenix: Do you still believe that one of Garmr/Soren is scum?

~ kirro

They haven't posted on this page at all, so I don't know why you think my opinion would change

[Phoenix Wright]

@a real scourge Yeah, but you can tell that Barn isn't being serious. Turtles actually wanted it to look like he was interested in my reads. But at that moment in time I had no reason to update them, so there was no point in asking me

[Phoenix Wright]

@FireBirdo if this is an alt do you mind telling us what your main is?

I played on game of Mafia on another site, but this is my only account here. Just out of curiosity, how much experience do all of you have with Mafia?

[Phoenix Wright]

*one

[Phoenix Wright]

Votecount 1

Frozen Angel
Yarrrrgami (Kagami and pirate mollie)
Radical Rat (1) - Yarrrrgami
Tails
A Real Scourge
Soren (1) - Garmr
Firebringer
Garmr (1) - Soren
Turtles of Despair (beeboy and kirroha) (2) - Phoenix Wright, Firebringer
KainTepes (1) - Phoenix Wright
Phoenix Wright (2) - KainTepes, Barn of Justice
Not_Mafia
Barn Of Justice (3) - Tails, Radical Rat, A Real Scourge

I'm voting for turtles of despair, not turtles of despair and kaintepes

[Phoenix Wright]

The opposite o' being scurvy.

Exemplum Gratia: That sad-turtle pirate be awfully non-scurvy, makin' him very much unlike the speedy rat pirate who should be walkin' the plank today.

This doesn't explain much so scurvy is scummy?

VOTE: Turtles of Despair

I don't trust this turtle too much.

Why?

[Phoenix Wright]

Didn't mean to quote that first post

[Phoenix Wright]

ok I like Yaragammi , Real Scourge and Talis

Barn and Garmr are being weird

I like to go ahead and do this

VOTE: Phoenix Wright he seems so picky. he tried to develop a case on turtles but I can't sincerely follow his thought process. and I think the way he calls people hard trier.

If you can't follow my thought process ask me to explain it

[Phoenix Wright]

Can we lynch Phoenix Wright please

Can anyone give a good explanation for why they want to lynch me?

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm asking you

explain why them being a try harder and the way it seems like a hydra problem (well it didn't looked like that to me) make you think their scum?

I don't knew what you mean by try harder. Are you talking about how I said that turtles is trying really hard to seem town? I just feel that tgeir posts are artificial and insincere. I already said that I've only played one game, so I didn't know what I hydra was. And I never said that I was scum me reading them for being a hydra.

[Phoenix Wright]

It hard to type on a phone :/

[Phoenix Wright]

Heeeyyyaaa kirro here.

Just want to apologise for the inconsistencies, because bee and I tend to have quite different reads and I'm not particularly convinced about some of his.

With that said, however, PW, I asked you whether you continue to scumread Garmr/Soren particularly because neither of them have actually posted much. From simply just a couple of Garmr v Soren posts, you immediately eliminated the possibility of both of them being town. Now, why is that? I don't see any kind of town motivation for jumping to such a fixed conclusion.

At least, it's not the kind of conclusion I'd expect for you to continue to have a page later, once more people have started talking.

On the other hand, I think scum has plenty of motivation to doubtcast 2 players from the very beginning to shift what other players tend to concentrate on, either to shift the focus from themselves and their scumbuddies (if said 2 players were town), or to distance (if one of those 2 players were scum). I can't think of any town motivation to do that, but plenty of scum ones.

So I want to explain yourself, PW. If you already did (I've only read till page 7 so far since I'm at break atm) then I'm sorry but please direct me to what you said. I'm not particularly fond of your slot atm.

~ kirro

I never eliminated the possibility. I stated what I felt were the most likely options. Once again you're being a hypocrite because you accuse me of eliminating the possibility of them not being scum yet your posts are worded in such a way that it seems like you're not entertaining the idea that I could be town. They doubtcasted themselves, so now you're just making things up. And how does other people posting have anything to do with how I felt about those 2 players. Those 2 didn't say anything new, so of course I wouldn't have any reason to suddenly not be suspicious of them.

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't knew what you mean by try harder. Are you talking about how I said that turtles is trying really hard to seem town? I just feel that tgeir posts are artificial and insincere. I already said that I've only played one game, so I didn't know what I hydra was. And I never said that I was scum me reading them for being a hydra.

help me through this. which one of their posts seems insincere? and why you feel like that?

I want to know the basics of your case on them

Just noticed that 3 people haven't posted yet

Can you give me your town and scum reads?
~Bee

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

What are your thoughts on the game outside of FireBirdo being scum?

[Phoenix Wright]

So he made this post

*one

UNVOTE:
Yea I was getting inexperienced vibes but I thought you where an alt.
If you have only played 1 other game of mafia you are towny af because of your confidence.
~Bee

I have like 3-4 months of experience after you take away my break periods

He didn't mention or talk to me again after that, but then out of nowhere he suddenly has a scumread on me again out of nowhere after more people say they're suspicious of me

*one

UNVOTE:
Yea I was getting inexperienced vibes but I thought you where an alt.
If you have only played 1 other game of mafia you are towny af because of your confidence.
~Bee

I have like 3-4 months of experience after you take away my break periods

Heeeyyyaaa kirro here.

Just want to apologise for the inconsistencies, because bee and I tend to have quite different reads and I'm not particularly convinced about some of his.

With that said, however, PW, I asked you whether you continue to scumread Garmr/Soren particularly because neither of them have actually posted much. From simply just a couple of Garmr v Soren posts, you immediately eliminated the possibility of both of them being town. Now, why is that? I don't see any kind of town motivation for jumping to such a fixed conclusion. At least, it's not the kind of conclusion I'd expect for you to continue to have a page later, once more people have started talking.

On the other hand, I think scum has plenty of motivation to doubtcast 2 players from the very beginning to shift what other players tend to concentrate on, either to shift the focus from themselves and their scumbuddies (if said 2 players were town), or to distance (if one of those 2 players were scum). I can't think of any town motivation to do that, but plenty of scum ones.

So I want to explain yourself, PW. If you already did (I've only read till page 7 so far since I'm at break atm) then I'm sorry but please direct me to what you said. I'm not particularly fond of your slot atm.

~ kirro

[Phoenix Wright]

Accidentally quoted that first post twice

[Phoenix Wright]

I've told you why 56 is dumb multiple times already, so I'm not going to write it out again. And when you're on the 3rd page of a game, it just seems weird to me that you'd already expect someone to have their reads ready. So it felt like you were asking a question just to look townie for asking a question.

[Phoenix Wright]

When I said have you reads ready I was talking about post 73.

[Phoenix Wright]

*your

[Phoenix Wright]

Town outnumber scum, so a double lynch would have a higher chance of hitting two scum wouldn't it?

[Phoenix Wright]

I mean two town

[Phoenix Wright]

it also increase to chance even 1 scum

what are you trying to achieve? that town can't lynch scum at all?

No, I just said its more likely that you'd get 2 mislynches. I didn't say that we couldn't hit scum

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't see what we gain from waiting until say 2 to use ToD's double hammer ability

Stop messing with us lol

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm not messing, I personally believe we should double hammer today

So what you're saying is that you're not really paying attention to the game? Turtles said that they can't double hammer.

[Phoenix Wright]

What's happening right now?...

[Phoenix Wright]

It makes me nervous when people barely post. Especially if none of their posts brought up really good points. So

UNVOTE:
VOTE: barn of justice

[Phoenix Wright]

I think you need to actually explain your thoughts instead of just yelling things

[Phoenix Wright]

No, you didn't.

[Phoenix Wright]

Turtles is 2 PERSON in one account it seems, weird for Phoenix to scumread them because of that...

STOP PRETENDING I said you were suspicious in post 31 and post 65... you made me have to GO BACK to look for those posts...

I'm not pretending anything. We already established that I didn't know what a hydra was and we also established that I never said I was scum reading turtles for being a hydra. So basically what you're admitting right now is that you don't actually have any reasons for why you think I'm Mafia

[Phoenix Wright]

Also, you were already voting me so why did you vote for me again?

[Phoenix Wright]

@Kaintepes why did you suddenly appear to say that you think Mafia right after I voted for barn of Justice?

[Phoenix Wright]

I still don't like Phoenix

his posts seems so fake

Show me these posts that seem fake

[Phoenix Wright]

@Pirate: Why are you so sure that Sonic's actions mean scum instead of just new? I'd imagine you would be taking that into account.

I did indeed take that into me accountin'

Let me lay things out all clear-like.

We learn at 95 that he thinks armor-pirate be scurvy-free. Let's ignore the seduction-furry pirate bit for now. We learn in 117 that he be ok with the pudding-pirate's stance, so if the rat be non-scurvy, then he was readin' the armor-pudding conflict as likely non-scurvy vs. non-scurvy, or at least took that to be reasonably likely.

Now, why then does he have no problem with 28? It doesn't matter if he be a novice sailor, or maybe even especially because he be a novice sailor, that should be jumping out all suspicious to him. Instead we be hearing nothing from the rat about firebirdy lawyer pirate.

What about all the other pirates who be takin' sides against armor-pirate? Shouldn't they be the target of his scrutiny? Nope, the farm-pirate who be attacking the firebirdy lawyer pirate be the next vote in VOTE: 147, with terrible reasonin'. At the very least, I'd be expectin' him to review his scumread's vote target (Firebirdy lawyer) and be thinkin' "o, yeah, that guy may indeed be a scalawag given he be discountin' the possibility that armor-pirate and pudding-pirate both be free o' the scurvy."

There be one explanation that be jumping out at me as I be scrawlin' this, and it affects me read on you too.

Finally someone lays out a really good case. It's too bad that what you're implying is false. What do you think about the fact that as soon as anyone votes for Barn, someone rushes in to defend him? Soren did it on page 1 and now Kaintepes is doing it too. It could be argued that you're defending him right now, but I still think you're town. However both Soren and kain offered poor reasons for why they thought the people who voted for Barn were scum. Don't you find that suspicious? Or the fact that kain voted for me 3 times even though he never unvoted me lol?

p-edit: Wait, what? I didn't know what the vote count was

[Phoenix Wright]

this is why double voting sucks

[Phoenix Wright]

I declared L-1...
I blame lack of vote counts *cough cough*

Can someone investigate the phoenix? I don't want to get noob towned out of this game by a scum. (No offense)

~Bee

You expect me to remember what you did 150 posts ago even though i wasn't suspicious of barn at that point?

[Phoenix Wright]

phoenix shut up and answer quickly

Don't want to. But if any of you have investigative roles, you'd be wasting it to look at me tonight. i know that sounds like something scum would say, but I'm telling you the truth

[Phoenix Wright]

@garmr yes, i'm town

[Phoenix Wright]

Phoenix and Turtles are SCUMBUDDIES...

If I get night killed can you lynch this guy tomorrow?

[Phoenix Wright]

YOU IDIOT!!! OF COURSE THAT MEANS MAFIA WILL KILL YOU TONIGHT SO THAT I CAN BE MISLYNCHED TMR???

Not really. Me being killed doesn't mean that anyone would think you did it. I just meant that you're annoying and not progressing the game so I want you to be lynched. But your weird overreaction makes me think that you might really be scum

[Phoenix Wright]

Not letting it go through. I made my mind up.

Why? We could've found out if he was scum or not. It would give us valuable info about his interactions with everyone and also about everyone on his wagon

[Phoenix Wright]

what just happened?!

Garmr was willing to use up his oneshot ability to save Barn of Justice from getting lynched even though Barn never gave him a reason to.

[Phoenix Wright]

Garmr the last question you asked me : I felt their thought process is genuine and its like they really have problem with not mafia like a town.

Phoenix why you hammered barn without giving him time to claim?

Garmr why you think Barn deserved to be saved?

I didn't know he was at L-1

[Phoenix Wright]

L-4

Me x2, NM, Phoenix = Twilight phase

~Bee

Nice hammer phoenix

How could you think that I was the one who was hammered?

[Phoenix Wright]

Shiz, Tails is right! So it really was a waste...

[Phoenix Wright]

Oh, but not mafia didn't he?

[Phoenix Wright]

*voted

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: barn There have been way too many people trying to defend him without giving good reasons. Plus he's not trying to be active

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE:

I don't trust you

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: kaintepes

[Phoenix Wright]

We got another hammer, guys

[Phoenix Wright]

Someone said it was 4 earlier so I thought that it was

[Phoenix Wright]

Makes sense

[Phoenix Wright]

You were already voting him. Why don't you ever pay attention to who you've voted?

[Phoenix Wright]

I still think Kaintepes is a better lynch

[Phoenix Wright]

These are pretty good grounds

I DONT HAVE ANY READS.

I THINK PHOENIX WRIGHT MAY BE MAFIA

He said he didn't have any reads, which is already suspicious seeing as how we were pretty far in the game. But then he suddenly says that he thinks I'm Mafia right after I vote for barn.

VOTE: BARN

I CHECKED HIS POSTS, YOU ARE RIGHT HE DOES NOT POST ANYTHING USEFUL... IF BARN IS SCUM THEN PHOENXI IS PROBABLY TOWN

So after the town sentiment shifted to lynching Barn because of the peace maker fiasco, Kain suddenly wants to listen to me and lynch barn. He never said that he had started town reading me, so why was he listening to what his only scum read said? It felt like a bus and after I unvoted and tails called him out on it, he made this post

SEE??? THAT WAS A TRAP TO SEE IF PHOENIX WILL TURN AROUND AND VOTE ME INSTEAD. HE DID THEREFORE HE IS PROBABLY TOWN, BECAUSE SCUM WILL MORE LIKELY IGNORE MY VOTE AND LET US LYNCH BARN...

SO NOW THAT I THINK PHOENIX IS TOWN I WILL REREAD AGAIN FOR MORE READS

It sounds so much like BS. And the fact that he didn't unvote after he saw the results of his "trap", shows that he was lying. If he already confirmed what he wanted to know, why didn't he move his vote?

[Phoenix Wright]

I think he's a better lynch because even if he's not scum his playstyle doesn't help the town and keeping him around would be detrimental

[Phoenix Wright]

Just claiming disguises shouldn't reveal abilities, right?

After all, someone has to be vanilla here, and while I've not watched Conan, I find it unlikely that an anime character fit the vanilla bill.

As such, I have no issue claiming my own character, without the role, if it helps give alignment insight.

Well certain characters are obviously bad and others are friends of Conan Edogawa, so people who have bad characters are probably scum.

[Phoenix Wright]

Before we be feeding the sharks, I still want an answer to me question:

Armor-pirate, what manner of Conan character be ye masqueradin' as?

Same question to sad-turtle pirate too.

why were you curious about their conan characters anyway?

[Phoenix Wright]

Why do ye think?

Don't answer a question with a question. I want to hear you say your reason for it.

[Phoenix Wright]

Why do ye think?

Don't answer a question with a question. I want to hear you say your reason for it.

I was as clear about me motivations as a lake o' crystal, though apparently ye missed that.

Now, what did ye think was me reasoning? I be having a very hard time coming up with anything that could possibly strike ye as suspicious.

I never said I was suspicious of you. Why are you getting defensive? I just asked you for your reason and now it seems that you don't want to say it outright.

[Phoenix Wright]

I said it clear as day, but I don't take kindly to questionin' for the sake o' questionin'.

I wasn't questioning for the sake of queationing. I just missed the post where you gave your reason why. Sorry. But I still don't know why you got defensive here.

Why do ye think?

Don't answer a question with a question. I want to hear you say your reason for it.

I was as clear about me motivations as a lake o' crystal, though apparently ye missed that.

Now, what did ye think was me reasoning? I be having a very hard time coming up with anything that could possibly

strike ye as suspicious

.

I just wanted to know why you were curious about their characters. There was no hidden meaning behind it. So how did you come to this conclusion?

[Phoenix Wright]

prodge

Have you read anything in the game since your last post?

[Phoenix Wright]

Get in here, Barn.

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm impatient

VOTE: Barn

Wtf...

[Phoenix Wright]

Um Jeane11, could you start writing how many votes are need to lynch at the bottom of the vote counts? It would avoid confusion in the future

K

[Phoenix Wright]

Why would they waste their kill on him if we all knew that he used up his ability?

[Phoenix Wright]

Radical rat was on the Barn of Justice mislynch wagon and Garmr was voting for radical rat. So after voting for radical rat, Garmr is dead. There might be a connection there. If a roleblocker isn't involved, I mean.

[Phoenix Wright]

That was an unexpected flip.

Scum ping from this.

my scum ping comes from him not acknowledging this post at all

Radical rat was on the Barn of Justice mislynch wagon and Garmr was voting for radical rat. So after voting for radical rat, Garmr is dead. There might be a connection there. If a roleblocker isn't involved, I mean.

[Phoenix Wright]

my scum ping comes from him not acknowledging this post at all

Radical rat was on the Barn of Justice mislynch wagon and Garmr was voting for radical rat. So after voting for radical rat, Garmr is dead. There might be a connection there. If a roleblocker isn't involved, I mean.

As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.
Guess that means no Doc too.

Are you sure about that, Mr. Wright? I may not have quoted it, but I did acknowledge it.

You didn't mention me and all of us were talking about Garmr's death so that post could have been directed towards anyone. I have no idea of you were actually taking to me or not.

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE: that's a good point. I what to know how you know that scum have day hat, Yarrgami

[Phoenix Wright]

*day chat

[Phoenix Wright]

We obviously have a neighborhood. You're not a newbie-like landlubbing pirate, firebirdy lawyer.

What's a neighborhood? And what do you mean in that second sentence

[Phoenix Wright]

Oh okay, I get it now. Still don't know what you mean by that sailing the scummy seas thing

P-edit: you said that the obvious choice for them to kill is Yarrgami. That's exactly why they wouldn't do it. Its too obvious. And I'm not an alt

[Phoenix Wright]

Ye mean the fellow ye've been calling "Nick" for half the game, furry-seduction pirate?

Nick is Phoenix wright's nickname

[Phoenix Wright]

What's with the not Mafia votes?

[Phoenix Wright]

HE STOLE MY AVATAR.....

You stole his. I don't know how you could forget that not once, but twice...

[Phoenix Wright]

can we talk about Soren's hammering Barn without a claim? we would have unvoted if he'd claimed CONAN the ROLECOP. :/

If he flipped vanilla townie would you have the same view on me right now?
Because his role has nothing to do with how he played in the game.

i probably wouldn't be as annoyed about it, i would still be on your case about hammering without a claim.
that's just proper course, it doesn't matter what their play is like, you ask for a claim before hammering. why didn't you? i made my intent to hammer very clear so that Barn would know he needed to claim, but you decided to hammer anyways, before Barn even got back.

I hammered because his slot didn't look town.

You know who hammers people without giving them a chance to claim or defend themselves? Scum

VOTE: soren

[Phoenix Wright]

Oh, wait. It was Not Mafia who hammered. UNVOTE: VOTE: not Mafia

[Phoenix Wright]

You were the last one to vote him before the mod said he was lynched.

[Phoenix Wright]

Never mind. Kain and you voted for him multiple times when you were already voting him so I got confused. Yeah, it was Soren UNVOTE:

[Phoenix Wright]

Scum Soren had little reason to quick hammer there, he had no way to anticipate the strength of Barn's claim and there was no obvious candidate for an alternate lynch, town quick hammers are a reality and they shouldn't even denied just because they don't fit the standard town playbook

There was no need for a quick hammer. It's not like we were running out of time

[Phoenix Wright]

That's not a counterargument

I don't understand why you're defending Soren so hard. Have they given you a reason to?

[Phoenix Wright]

Also, not a counterargument

I wasn't trying to make one. I just want you to answer that question.

[Phoenix Wright]

Why do you townread Soren?

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't know about that.

A double voter means scum could be lynched faster. It also means Town could be lynched faster, but I'd say it ultimately depends on if scum feels confident in their ability to direct that dual vote.

My guess is that as soon as Turtles gets a scum lynched, or close to it, they'll die that night.

There always the possibility that they didn't kill Turtles because Turtles is one of them

[Phoenix Wright]

Doesn't giving scum a double voter seem kind of.... Unbalanced?

*shrugs* I don't know how this stuff works

[Phoenix Wright]

Did the wagon building up that quickly not worry you at all?

3 votes isn't some massive wagon

[Phoenix Wright]

Where did my wagon even come from?

No one's given any solid reasons, aside from the mention that Garmr's vote was on me YesterDay, at least not that I've seen.

I know FireBringer and Scourge have found themselves uneasy about me, and I understand their individual complaints, but I don't see where Tails, Yarrrrgami and Not_Mafia are coming from here.

Yarrgami has been voting you since day 1

[Phoenix Wright]

I'd still like you to elaborate on that scurvy accusation. It's a bit hard for me to explain whatever it is you saw if I don't know what it is.

Ye've held very few positions, one of which be that armor-pirate be town. Ye stated this position without addressin' or makin' any inferences about what that meant about the alignment of other pirates, even though that be the obvious non-scurvyminded direction to be takin' that (especially since soren is looking pretty scurvy-like). Ye later defend the pudding pirate.

The other position ye held was the scourge vote, which ye backed out of all prompt-like when forced to elaborate on it.

The barn vote be itself fine, but the justification is silly. Scurvy dogs do not make grand plans about making the honest pirates get all disputin'-like, and I don't see how you would honestly think that. "Rubbing people the wrong way" has very little scurvy motivation in itself.

[Phoenix Wright]

I agree that not Mafia and tails need to explain their votes more though

[Phoenix Wright]

but Soren's defense of it has just been 'he looked like scum' over and over

What would be a TOWN RESPONSE!!?!

Waiting for a claim when we already have someone literally waiting to hammer? Letting the day run its course so we can have full discussion? Literally anything other than a quickhammer?

I learned not to hammer prematurely in my very first Mafia game. The only time it even remotely makes sense is as scum.

It's still an Anti-Town move and should be treated as such. At least until we get a decent explanation.

If you excuse everything scummy because "Town might maybe also do that sometimes" then how do you propose we find scum, hm?

Tails, what about this seems stale and forced? Also, you do real is that he's not even voting Soren anymore, right?

[Phoenix Wright]

*realize

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm not voting you

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't think the mod will answer that haha

[Phoenix Wright]

Well.

That was an unexpected flip.

Soren, why did you hammer that? We were all waiting on a claim, and by hammering you prevented us from saving Barn's life.
I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, ending the day prematurely before the main wagon can even speak in their own defense, is scummy. VOTE: Soren


As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.

Guess that means no Doc too.

Phoenix, I want you to take a look at this.

And as for the quotes you selected, they're very paint by numbers and was not really adding anything of value. It would be easy for scum Sonic to say.

I actually do see what you mean now. That whole part before he voted seems phony. "I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it..." he was trying too hard with that. And then he said that we shouldn't read into the night kill even though that's one of the best ways to progress the game and figure out who might have done it. I also don't know why he assumed there was no doctor.

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: Yarrrgami

Are you going to explain your vote?

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: Barn


Defends of Gramr is ew

After looking though not mafia's Ido I noticed that he hasn't given any reason yet for why he's voting radical rat. And he was also pushing a lot for Barn's lynch. All he did day 1 was troll about the double hammer and vote barn multiple times while he was already voting him. heres the only he gave where he talked about why he was voting barn:

VOTE: Barn


Defends of Gramr is ew

Seems really flimsy to me. He's just jumping on whatever wagon looks the most likely to go through

VOTE: not mafia

[Phoenix Wright]

Accidentally quoted that twice

[Phoenix Wright]

Kain

Explain this one.

Don't think he would troll as scum.

Isn't that the perfect reason to do it?

[Phoenix Wright]

Sonic, only bastard games have jesters! there's no reason to pretend to be a jester in a game like this.
also, sorry for the prodge, hopefully ill be back tonight.

hello Varsoon, thanks for taking over for Jeanne while she's away! i really like your games.

I can't believe only Bastard games have jester, its standard

where I come from

Berk?

[Phoenix Wright]

Did the wagon building up that quickly not worry you at all?

3 votes isn't some massive wagon

even if it was a massive wagon what was so horrifying about it ? if you beleive scum were in the voters , then how exactly you were thinking a quick hammer would have happened? and even if a hammer was about to happen and you had soren as scum , then it was bussing, why is that insta lynch bad? unless your branching around?

I don't understand anything you're saying. Could you try to explain that again?

[Phoenix Wright]

you voted soren at start of the day becuase you thought she is scum for last day hammer.

the wagon built up to quickly.

Talis asked the fact the wagon which is built quickly won't worry anyone?

you said its not a massive wagon

my points :

1 - if you believe that action is scummy why the fact the wagon is massive or not matters?
2 - why there is no possibility for scum bussying?
3 - why wagons built by town can't shape fast?
4 - If you were thinking that wagon is too fast and scum driven so scum wouldn't have the chance to hammer it , so why you were afraid for it getting shaped?

You're asking the wrong person. Tails is the one who had those sentiments

[Phoenix Wright]

Also, I wasn't voting for anyone at that point

[Phoenix Wright]

WHO said I'm asking you?! I was mainly asking talis

although you can answer question 1 as well.

You quoted me and didn't mention tails, so I thought you were talking to me

[Phoenix Wright]

It's a valid question still, what size wagon would have concerned you?

L-2

[Phoenix Wright]

Did the wagon building up that quickly not worry you at all?

3 votes isn't some massive wagon

even if it was a massive wagon what was so horrifying about it ? if you beleive scum were in the voters , then how exactly you were thinking a quick hammer would have happened? and even if a hammer was about to happen and you had soren as scum , then it was bussing, why is that insta lynch bad? unless your branching around?

When multiple votes join in a wagon in that short of a time, I get nervous. This was especially true given what Soren was being pushed for. I'd have expected more resistance if he was scum. As for my read on him, I admittedly don't have much of one.

I just didn't find his quickhammer the day before to be that scummy

Why not?

[Phoenix Wright]

Frozen angel is town, guys. That's what my gut tells me

[Phoenix Wright]

Frozen angel is town, guys. That's what my gut tells me

good to know your opinion, but your gut doesn't help with how i'm feeling, Nick. why is your gut saying she's town? do you know why?

I can't answer that

[Phoenix Wright]

@Kain
Can you just chill out and act like a normal person please? Thanks

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: kaintepes

[Phoenix Wright]

When she flips, we should lynch not Mafia. This quick hammer stuff needs to stop

[Phoenix Wright]

not mafia is town though i think......

I thought he was scum even before this hammer. And no offense, but I don't really trust your reads

[Phoenix Wright]

When she flips, we should lynch not Mafia. This quick hammer stuff needs to stop

policy lynch all quick-hammerers until the site makes it an uber scumtell again? yeah!!

*high fives*

[Phoenix Wright]

its not a cow its a pig i think

Pigs don't have udders

[Phoenix Wright]

if voting for you is supposed to be rude then everyone is rude in this game

face it FA you called me a creature first

stop being a child

[Phoenix Wright]

Wow... I'm still new here, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to give us hints like that about your scum buddies, right? Correct me if I'm wrong

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't think that was a bluff

[Phoenix Wright]

I think not mafia is town though

Why?

[Phoenix Wright]

I think not mafia is town though

Why?

he acts too CONFIDENT to be scum

Because he has you to defend him

[Phoenix Wright]

You're doing it right now...

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Explain

[Phoenix Wright]

Vote Phoenix

Pirate, follow me. It's Phoenix/Kain.

VOTE: Phoenix Wright

Explain

I don't know why you think that but could you explain?

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm talking about yesterday. He started trying to push wanting policy lynch NM yesterday after the hammer. He then switched from that to trying to tie NM to FA BEFORE she even admitted to being scum. I'm just saying what happened in order, but let's just summarize it as lining up lynches and call it a day.

P-edit: I think he was desperate there, which explains why he changed tactics dramatically.

I didn't try to tie anyone together. I literally have no idea what you're talking about in this post

[Phoenix Wright]

hard defense of FA for no reason > pushing for a policy lynch today after the hammer > trying to tie other players to FA before the flip and before she outed herself

Phoenix is scum.

I said I thought she was town, but that's not a hard defense. I just thought seemed genuinely frustrated and that felt like a town reason se to what was happening. And like I said before, I didn't try to tie anyone together

[Phoenix Wright]

Tails is town so I should sheep him:
VOTE: Phoenix Wroght

Feels opportunistic
VOTE: firebringer

[Phoenix Wright]

Aren't you being opportunistic since public sentiment towards me is pretty low?
lol

I wouldn't know. I just got back from the drugstore

[Phoenix Wright]

I just realized something important, but I can't say it unless I claim...

[Phoenix Wright]

I just realized something important, but I can't say it unless I claim...

Well, how important is it? If you've confirmed someone as scum, I'd say it's easily worth the claim. Otherwise, maybe wait until you get to L-1 for that.

Either I messed something up or someone else lied

[Phoenix Wright]

Um okay... So, I'm Miwako Satou, the town jailor. I jailed Not Mafia last night so I was surprised when he died. I thought that I was role blocked, but then I saw this post.

@Scourge

I blocked KAINTEPES last night. Was the most suspicious at the end of the day.


Right now though... VOTE: Tails

Sorry, but I feel like you're really misrepping Phoenix here. I also saw FA's reactions to the wagon as being just legitimately frustrated, and I understand the townread. I don't see any of the hard defense or lining up lynches you're talking about.
Either come back with some quotes or unvote.

Of course my first thought was that he was lying. But if he was lying about who he role blocked then why is he kind of defending me and encouraging me to share my information? If he was scum he'd have to know that I was onto him. I looked back at the pm I sent the mod last night and realized that when I sent in my night action I accidentally wrote "Conan night 1" instead of night 2 in the title. So it's possible that the mod didn't realize that it was my night action for night 2 and it didn't go through. I forgot to jail anyone on the first night :/

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: radical rat
I guess this is the safest course of action for now

[Phoenix Wright]

Frozen angel is town, guys. That's what my gut tells me

Hard town read. Phoenix is lying about his reasons for townreading FA.

If it was just because of her reaction, he would have told us in the next post instead of saying he couldn't answer the question

(indicating a role based result).

When she flips, we should lynch not Mafia. This quick hammer stuff needs to stop

not mafia is town though i think......

I thought he was scum even before this hammer. And no offense, but I don't really trust your reads

Goes after NM based on policy. This is right after FA obviously hammered herself, so this is blatantly untrue.

Wow... I'm still new here, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to give us hints like that about your scum buddies, right? Correct me if I'm wrong

Said right after FA admitted she was scum. NM was on the wagon. See where this is going?

I think not mafia is town though

Why?

He's dropped the policy angle on NM, but NM is still scum. Guess what he's using to tie NM to FA (and if you guessed FA's hard bus reasoning, ding ding ding! You're a winner!).

P-edit: I'm feeling really good about a Phoenix lynch. That claim is BS.

I said I couldn't answer because I thought FA was town based off of meta. The frantic overreactiona and frustration was similar to her town play. As a "new player" I shouldn't know her meta. I didn't want anyone to know that I actually am an alt even though I've only played with one of you guys before lol. About your theory concerning me tying not Mafia to FA, I can see your logic but I'm not clever enough to do subtle stuff like that haha. I was just also got her why she would give us a hint about who else was scum. It wasn't meant to implicate anyone in particular as scum. I don't care if you believe my claim or not because it's true.

P-edit: I didn't get a om saying I was roleblocker. I sent my night action to Jeanne

[Phoenix Wright]

*asking her why

[Phoenix Wright]

Sonic you're not seeing it because Tails' case is really garbage.

Phoenix why'd you pretend to be new instead of just saying you were an alt? and

why'd you fake that whole 'scum aren't supposed to out their partners, are they?' thing?

i've been reading you like a newbie this whole time and now i need to reevaluate.

preview: yeah Tails because your reasons they aren't scum are based on faulty assumptions about the utility of a scum double-voter. you're acting like i'm suggesting an unlynchable scum.

and nah Sonic that's now how it works at all. if a doctor's target ends up getting killed anyways, they're not supposed to know if they were roleblocked or if scum broke through the protection. only investigation roles know if they've been blocked.

I legitimately wanted to know that. I didn't want anyone to know I was an alt because that would defeat the purpose of this second account. I made it to try out different playstyles and test out weird tactics. If people knew that this was my alt then when I try the stuff that I test out with this account on my main account, they'll already know what I'm trying to do.

[Phoenix Wright]

I guess it would've been fine to say that I was an alt in the beginning as long as I didn't say what my main account is

[Phoenix Wright]

Faking newbiness seems like a breach in ethics to me... idk what all the rules on that stuff is though.

I've played 10 games or less, so I'm still relatively new

[Phoenix Wright]

i think he just didn't want people to know his main and didn't think his method through. i say we move past this. Phoenix have you pmed Jeanne about whether she processed your night 2 action or not? and also can you tell me why you didn't do that before claiming?

Yeah, I Pmed. And I didn't think of it before you said i should

[Phoenix Wright]

@Phoenix: Why weren't you suspicious at all of Sonic's roleblocker claim d2?

Why would I be?

[Phoenix Wright]

So the mod responded to my pm about if my night action when through. They said that they derped :/

[Phoenix Wright]

Pirategami: Do you honestly think that town has both a roleblocker and a JK?

So, having a roleblocker and a JK on Town is crazy OP.
Having a double voter on mafia is crazy OP.

So... if both are true, your set up spec makes everything check out for Turtles to be scum, and Phoenix and I to be Town, no?

Unless... your read on someone who's been absent for over half the game is strong enough to make you SURE Turtles is Town...

The only way Turtles can be scum is if both you and Phoenix are town and telling the truth, which I think is unlikely. I'm fairly sure Phoenix is scum here.

And if both of you are town, this game is just stupid.

I'm town and I'm telling the truth and I think that you're town too

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE:

[Phoenix Wright]

jailkeepers don't receive feedback, so he wouldn't have been told if he'd been roleblocked. and it sounds like he sent it to jeanne. he should just ask her if his action was submitted on night 2 or not.

process of elimination, Tails. there's no reason to think he's town, but there are reasons to think other players are town. and your Phoenix case doesn't make him scum either, as i've explained.

that's an interesting choice, Turtles. why'd you ignore my request for your complete reads?

I need to let the day linger for a bit

since I did not read Day 2 at all.

~Bee

Why would a member of the town not read the topic at all?

[Phoenix Wright]

you can't say anything with 100% certainty with setup spec until you've seen everything the scum has, Tails. mods can and will give similar or duplicate roles to players! i personally haven't played in games like that yet, but i've seen them.

you're arguing for Turtles town based on his power being OP, and you're arguing against other players being town because they'd be too OP for town. stop with this nonsense, it's grating.

These are legit reasons for why I'm reaching the conclusion I am. Good game design vs. incredibly poor design. You're arguing for poor design because PoE i.e. "I has good feels about everyone else. Who cares what actual game info says.". At this rate, if I actually came out with a cop innocent on Turtles, you'd argue against it because it doesn't fit your view of the game. I am looking at it from a pure game design standpoint, using information that is both public and private, and I'm telling you that Phoenix's role does not make sense as town unless the mod made the worst designed game in the history of mafia scum. And the only reason that Turtles will be scum is if she did exactly that. So I'm going to err on the side of not complete stupidity and say that Turtles is town and Phoenix is freaking scum.

I guess this must be the worst designed game in the history of Mafiascum then

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: turtles of despair

[Phoenix Wright]

firebringer, if only mafia were so easy as finding a single townread and sheeping them. put out a readslist.

Here you go:

Town
Soren
Tails
A Real Scourge
Radical Rat

Null-Town
Yarrrgami

Null
Turtles
Phoenix Wright
Kain Tepes

Why do you think Soren is town?

[Phoenix Wright]

That was my point before I felt forced to claim. Phoenix's actions do not match up with his claimed role. He showed 0 suspicion of Sonic d2, even though he should have seen that as a counter claim i.e. scum claim (such as how I felt about his role in relation to mine), and then after he claimed a protection on NM, he didn't even consider a strongman and tried to lynch Sonic with the lying reasoning (something I would have also expected more from him as town a day earlier). Only later does he decide to "ask" the mod. Wouldn't that be something he'd do right away before outing if he was town?

I don't know what a strongman is, so why would I consider it?

[Phoenix Wright]

Phoenx since you are here, why did you JK Not Mafia?

I thought he was scum and I didn't want him to kill anyone. It's pretty straightforward

[Phoenix Wright]

Phoenx since you are here, why did you JK Not Mafia?

I thought he was scum and I didn't want him to kill anyone. It's pretty straightforward

So you thought Not Mafia was going to attempt to kill?

Is that not what scum do? Can you ask some questions that aren't redundant please?

[Phoenix Wright]

Is that not what scum do? Can you ask some questions that aren't redundant please?

I am saying usually scum can pick who performs a kill. Why did you think Not Mafia would be the one to over his partner(s).

He was my biggest scumread so I tried to jail him. I don't see the point of your questions

[Phoenix Wright]

Just to make sure I'm understanding this, you guys think I'm scum because I don't know how setups work? That's basically what it sounds like.

[Phoenix Wright]

He is pretty noob town.

You don't excuse scummy behavior because a player is new, and we already discussed he isn't "new"

Playing since November isn't new? Lol

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE:

[Phoenix Wright]

mollie, please please trust me on this. i know i've only played one game with you, if fire is scum we can push him tomorrow as well. you must be reading Turtles posts here, he's doing the same thing firebringer is doing to you

preview: damn Phoenix ARE you scum??

I don't want someone to just randomly hammer. We haven't even given turtles a chance to really defend themselves

[Phoenix Wright]

Did anyone else notice that Tails disappeared as soon as all the attention went onto me and turtles?

[Phoenix Wright]

Did anyone else notice that Tails disappeared as soon as all the attention went onto me and turtles?

I don't blame him.

This game is a shit show.

And he isn't getting his lynch on you right now.

He turned it into one lol

[Phoenix Wright]

VOTE: turtles

[Phoenix Wright]

Just to make sure I'm understanding this, you guys think I'm scum because I don't know how setups work? That's basically what it sounds like.

I think you're scum because you haven't been reacting how I'd expect you to as town. And also, there's no way your role is a town one.

Don't know what to tell you. You're 100% wrong.

Tails, want to just lynch Turtles today?

No. If it's Phoenix or Turtle, and Phoenix is conf. scum, then I'm freaking not voting Turtle.

You keep saying I'm confirmed scum but you don't have anything to back that up. Stop embarrassing yourself

[Phoenix Wright]

Did anyone else notice that Tails disappeared as soon as all the attention went onto me and turtles?

I don't blame him.

This game is a shit show.

And he isn't getting his lynch on you right now.

He turned it into one lol

Spoiler: flip

What does that mean?

[Phoenix Wright]

I am not posting anything but prodges till this game day ends.

why?

[Phoenix Wright]

You keep saying I'm confirmed scum but you don't have anything to back that up. Stop embarrassing yourself

Doctor, JK, Roleblocker. Not all of those claims are town. And I'm going to put my money on the claim that is countered by two others.

Your doctor claim hasn't been confirmed so why should we believe you? Has the roleblocker been confirmed yet?

[Phoenix Wright]

Did anyone else notice that Tails disappeared as soon as all the attention went onto me and turtles?

I don't blame him.

This game is a shit show.

And he isn't getting his lynch on you right now.

He turned it into one lol

Spoiler: flip

What does that mean?

I just flipped you the bird.

Good one.

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm 100% town from my perspective. Your claim counters my claim, so right off the bat that screams scum to me. Then we have the roleblocker claim, which you did nothing to refute yesterday, which further counters your claim as town. That's pretty cut and dry to me.

It's dumb logic. If I was scum, why would I just randomly claim in the middle of the day without being provoked? I did it because I thought radical rat was lying about who he role blocked. If this is a role that seems so obviously impossible, why would I claim it instead of vanilla townie? It's pretty cut and dry to me that you just didn't consider all the posibilities and don't feel like doing that.

[Phoenix Wright]

What do you mean by "directing"? And you should've told us sooner that you tracked him, scourge lol

[Phoenix Wright]

Oh okay

[Phoenix Wright]

In that case, you should've waited until someone dropped the hammer. People still have time to pretend that they aren't on Turtles' side

[Phoenix Wright]

In one game I played with 2 roleblockers, whoever sent in their pm first had their action go through

[Phoenix Wright]

UNVOTE:

that was a dumb mistake, i should have unvoted as soon as i claimed. Turtles could have easily hammered himself to stop our discussion.

They can double vote, so can't they still hammer?

[Phoenix Wright]

Methinks he lacks the subtlety for the wine bein' in front of somepirate interpretation.

Lookin' at your early posts today, the scurvy dogs would have to be about as clever as a rusty anchor not to realize you had a guilty.

so why didn't Turtles hammer Phoenix? do you think they're scum together?

He told us that he didn't hammer because we would've thought he was scum if he did. So basically he wanted town points for not hammering

[Phoenix Wright]

If somehow the day ends before the captain gets back to us, runny rat and firebirdy lawyer are targeting each other. Failure to do so means claimin' scurvy.

Furry-seduction pirate can target whomever, as long as the target isn't one of those two.

But that's dumb because we wouldn't get anything done and scum would be free for another kill.

[Phoenix Wright]

Except ye be a chief suspect, who would be cleared by this scheme if a kill occurs.

Can't the scum just not kill anyone to make it look like I'm scum?

[Phoenix Wright]

This still seems dumb to me. Preventing the jailor from doing his job lol. It's actually even worse than that because I'm not scum, and you're wasting not only my night action but radical rat's as well. You even admit that the scum can just not kill anyone tonight. So this is just a complete waste of time. The reason behind thinking I'm scum sucks too. It's based completely off of bs setup speculation instead of my actual actions.

[Phoenix Wright]

If ye have an alternative, feel free to be all vocal-like about it, firebirdy lawyer pirate.

Let us roleblock/jail anyone and let a real scourge decide which one of us he wants to track. So he can confirm that we really blocked the person we said we blocked. And we shouslnt announce who we're gonna block before hand because if they're town then the Mafia might kill that person and make the blame go on us.

[Phoenix Wright]

If ye have an alternative, feel free to be all vocal-like about it, firebirdy lawyer pirate.

Let us roleblock/jail anyone and let a real scourge decide which one of us he wants to track. So he can confirm that we really blocked the person we said we blocked. And we shouslnt announce who we're gonna block before hand because if they're town then the Mafia might kill that person and make the blame go on us.

So then the scurvy dogs can still no kill and "frame" two pirates, and pirates who we may otherwise not want to send down the plank.

Also if rat is scurvy, he can just block you and kill scourge.

And if you're scurvy, you can block rat and kill scourge.

And is scourge is scurvy, he knows he isn't getting blocked and kills one of you.

It's better than just not accomplishing anything at all which is what happens if we follow your idea

P-edit: then look elsewhere, because I'm town lol

[Phoenix Wright]

It's better than just not accomplishing anything at all which is what happens if we follow your idea

P-edit: then look elsewhere, because I'm town lol

Why be ye so confident they're going to no kill?

Because it's a great setup for an easy mislynch.

[Phoenix Wright]

Why do they kill if they don't know who's being targeted?

I was saying that we shouldn't announce who we're going to target. So that the Mafia can't kill them

[Phoenix Wright]

And then what do they do the next night?

*shrugs*

[Phoenix Wright]

Prod doget.

Stop it

[Phoenix Wright]

Why do they kill if they don't know who's being targeted?

I was saying that we shouldn't announce who we're going to target. So that the Mafia can't kill them

Why do they kill if you don't announce who you're targeting? You are vehemently against runny rat blocking you because you're confident they'll no kill "for the mislynch," and thus the exercise is pointless.

Why are you confident they will kill if they don't know who is being blocked?

Why wouldn't they?

[Phoenix Wright]

And j said they'd kill if they do know who's being blocked

[Phoenix Wright]

phoenix I feel like you are getting drunk off of your wifom so i am cutting you off.

the plan is pretty solid and it looks like you are doing anything to sneak a na in which makes you look bad. and I am surprised you are putting so much trust that your na will actually go through since according to you

the mod derped on n2 and didn't put it through

.

I still think it is fire, if you look at who was insisting that the game was "bad" after we just lynched scum and were narrowing the possible scum pool it was turtles and fire.

scourge is town, ratty is town, tails is town, we are town. <----- this is a pretty solid town core, scum wld be insane to skip a nk just for wifom's sake since it is unlikely we are going to be turning on each other.

That was my fault though. I put "conan night 1" in the pm title instead of night 1. I wont make a mistake like that again

[Phoenix Wright]

*night 2