Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

[Yarrrrgami]

hey guys

what is going on

[Yarrrrgami]

Yar!

I see me parrot already be introducing herself.

An' blow me over, I already found me a scurvy dog. Who be needin' a law-talking guy when we be detectivizin'? Scurvy scoundrels, that's who!

VOTE: Firebirdy Lawyer Pirate

[Yarrrrgami]

a real scourge is my alt

I have seen not mafia as vt before and wasn't all like "role sucks bye" so i wanna now what role he has!

I am blatantly rolefishing him cos he brought it up.

[Yarrrrgami]

@ not mafia

- what is your role?

[Yarrrrgami]

Frosty-pirate be town.

[Yarrrrgami]

By which I mean, non-scurvy >.>

[Yarrrrgami]

Fire-bringin' pirate probably be non-scurvy as well

Furry-pirate be makin' me a little nervous.

Armor-pirate, cake-pirate, lawyer-pirate, and loud-pirate be pirates of int'rest.

[Yarrrrgami]

Armor pirate be the one with the clampy space-ship lookin' portrait, otherwise correct.

[Yarrrrgami]

i was trying to decipher that reads post, but.. i got as far as Armor being Turtles of Despair, maybe? am i the furry? i know the lawyer.. loud-pirate is probably laharl (Kain Tepes).. okay, i don't know who cake-pirate is.

I am gonna straight be straight up with you, I don't always know what kagami is saying either. she talks like this in our hydra pt an I just sort of nod my head and type out "sure" and let her do her thing and try to not get in her way altho I am not always sure where her way is.

but love reading her speak tho. I did get that fa is a townread of hers which I am good with, I think. I need to see more of fa tho.

gutwise I donnae like kain I think.

[Yarrrrgami]

PW, are you scum?

why is it the only time I have ever seen scum say "yes!" to this question it was when I asked my scummate?

like I ask this question all of the time when I wanna be lazy and dumb

@ fa - center around scourge if we are not around and you are town

@ scourge - cld you plz look after fa a bit? I am not as sure that she is town as kagami is but I can be patient. she is an emotional player like me! and pple tend to try to take advantage of that.

also what do you think of turtle pple

[Yarrrrgami]

when you say lazy and dumb, do you mean like in general, or is it when you're a particular alignment?

i think Turtles is being pretty logical and consistent with their arguments. i've had to read their posts a few times in order to try and get what they were saying though. i feel like there might be some miscommunication going on. i'm trying not to speak to either of them (the other one being Phoenix) because i wanna see where this goes.

and as for FA, if i'm interpreting what you're asking correctly then i probably can, yeah. i mean, it's really up to her what she wants to do... so, i'll give a proper answer when i see what she thinks. if you're asking me this, are you townreading me? is this a completely non-game related thing? (sorry, i've never been asked this in a mafia game before..)

preview: so far Tails shares a lot of opinions with me. besides the trolling thing i guess, haha.

and Phoenix, i've played two newbie games on this site (that's only completed stuff) and have been playing mafia for a few years on other forum sites.

1. it is non-alignment indicative for me to ask that. we are town tho.
2. okay
3. yes i am townreading you
4. wat other sites

[Yarrrrgami]

1. nope, I think there are better ways to sort his alignment. I am a bit confused as to why the names in the hydra are not in the op.
4. what sites?

[Yarrrrgami]

um.. you've asked again so you've probably noticed that i've been avoiding the question. like.. i'd really rather not tell you the names of sites i roleplayed on. i'm sorry, can we move on? if you want to meta me, my style on mafiascum is, like, radically different than anything i've really done before, so only my games on here will really help you!

um...I wld love for you to answer the question unless you have something to hide. that is why I asked it again cos I wld like to be sure about you cos rn you are being cagey as fuck about something that really shldn't matter if you are telling the truth.

[Yarrrrgami]

Why does it matter where she's played?

what I find interesting is that she feels the need to hide it. makes me wonder what else she is hiding.

I originally asked her out of curiosity even tho I was getting the feeling that she was an alt.

I hate being lied to and playing with players under false pretenses. I think my question is pretty reasonable and t only requires a rational transparent response.

like it is pretty simple.

@ garmr - is this the game where we kiss and make up. I can never stay mad long at any1.

[Yarrrrgami]

Me parrot be the inquisitive type, it seems!

Personally, I don't care what other seas ye be sailin' on, since there's no chance I'm going to be pointin' me spyglass in that direction anyway. Har!

[Yarrrrgami]

Mollie she doesn't feel comfortable sharing I would honestly drop it. We don't want to make someone uncomfortable over a forum game.
~Bee

I don't feel comfortable playing with alts it is why I started a thread in md "I FREAKING HATE ALTS".

I wind up playing with players that I wld have /outed if I knew they were in the game.

eta: @ garmr - I cld have as well. I am sorry about that.

[Yarrrrgami]

I be a little leery o' this firebirdy lawyer wagon.

It be pretty unlikely that both he and the pudding-eating pirate are both stricken with the scurvy, and it be the pudding pirate who's looking suspicious to me.

To the sad-turtle pirate: Are ye keeping the double-plank-prodding powers for the rest of the voyage?

[Yarrrrgami]

Farm pirate needs a Snickers.

[Yarrrrgami]

VOTE: runny rat hedgehog

[Yarrrrgami]

There be lots o' hedghog-like pirates on this voyage, so I'll be more clear:

VOTE: Rat who be thinkin' he's radical because the scurvy 'as settled deep in his brains

[Yarrrrgami]

To the sad-turtle pirate: Are ye keeping the double-plank-prodding powers for the rest of the voyage?

That's a secret

There be good secrets and bad secrets matey.

If ye be double-votin' as we be nearing the end of the voyage, we need to know now.

[Yarrrrgami]

If all ye are is a double-prodder, then let them.

[Yarrrrgami]

Only the good die young, matey. It be a known nautical fact.

[Yarrrrgami]

I'll just be filin' this away in me piratical filin' cabinet for now, there be scurvy dogs about and the sharks are lookin' mighty hungry today.

[Yarrrrgami]

One count o' disobeyin' the posted speed limit, and three counts o' failing to intake the appropriate amount of vitamin C.

I don't need a fancy, resurrectin' firebirdy lawyer to know that the sentence be a nice little swim with the sharks.

[Yarrrrgami]

I'll just be filin' this away in me piratical filin' cabinet for now, there be scurvy dogs about and the sharks are lookin' mighty hungry today.

What is the problem with me bein a double prodder?

It only be a problem if ye be livin' toward the end of the voyage (which seems pretty likely to me) while still having the double-proddin'. I would want one of those investigatin' types to be takin' a look in your direction at some point is that be how it is.

[Yarrrrgami]

The sad, double-prodding pirate probably be non-scurvy, and he'll be sorted out soon enough anyway.

[Yarrrrgami]

The opposite o' being scurvy.

Exemplum Gratia: That sad-turtle pirate be awfully non-scurvy, makin' him very much unlike the speedy rat pirate who should be walkin' the plank today.

[Yarrrrgami]

Oh I asked the mod and I don't have me double prods in Lylo.
~Bee

It be upsetting to me that ye be speaking falsehoods, but that doesn't change me opinion on ye too much.

[Yarrrrgami]

Then the cap'n said "ye be right! I be writing 'Your double-prodding powers be going away near the end of the voyage' in invisible ink. Ye caught me, you sly seadog, you!"

[Yarrrrgami]

Looks like ye be able to prod two different pirates at once. If ye give two pirates a pokin' who both be at L-1, do they both go for a swim with the sharks?

[Yarrrrgami]

The only way we can achieve a double lynch is if every single person cooperates if it is possible.
Also it can't be done with an even number of players.

Without flips I don't think we should double lynch today though.
I'd rather know some peeps alignments so it can be more accurate.

So can ye do it or not?

Because if we can, we'll be doing it. Ye be using the same logic for "Let's not have anybody walk the plank Day 1, that surely be a good idea."

We want as many non-scurvy kills as possible. I'll be outlinin' me organizational scheme as soon as ye confirm that it be possible.

[Yarrrrgami]

So can ye do it or not?

Because if we can, we'll be doing it. Ye be using the same logic for "Let's not have anybody walk the plank Day 1, that surely be a good idea."

We want as many non-scurvy kills as possible. I'll be outlinin' me organizational scheme as soon as ye confirm that it be possible.

We can only do it with an odd number of live players so we can really only do it once this game so I'd rather do it tomorrow.
If you are still ok with it I will do it.

It be possible that an extra corpse will be showin' up come sunrise, or perhaps none at all, so there be uncertainty about that.

I suppose waiting for procrastinatin' until tomorrow might make sense, though.

Btw, the runny rat still be scurvy.

[Yarrrrgami]

i've liked what Rat has posted so far, Kagami.

What scrawlings of his has ye be liking?

[Yarrrrgami]

Not to mention how bad an idea double lynching on d1 is.

Ye must have barnacles for brains, or are accustomed to makin' non-scurvy pirates walk the plank on Day 1.

[Yarrrrgami]

If we had the capabilities of a double lynch, I'd much rather save it for d2 at the earliest, when we actually had more information to go on.

I be looking forward to lots o' plank-prodding analysis from ye tomorrow, though I have the funny feelin' I'm going to be disappointed.

But Pirate's hunger for a double lynch doesn't match her also wanting a Turtle's lynch. The priorities are wrong from a town perspective.

That would indeed be a mismatch if there were any truth in this.

[Yarrrrgami]

Foxy-pirate, everything ye've been saying is bilgewater based on some vague folk theory o' what be a good idea and what be a bad one.

A sloop has a better chance of gunning down a frigate than there be that you've actually thought carefully about the procedure involved in a double-lynch and the value derived from it. If ye had, then at least ye'd be making the argument that it's only possible that at most a single plank-walker is scurvy.

Now, are ye a misguided limey, or a scurvy dog trying to defend a matey?

[Yarrrrgami]

Har! Then let's just not send anyone down the plank. That's clearly the best solution.

So if we could be feeding three pirates to the sharks, ye'd all be saying that it's a bad idea? Same for 4 or 5?


Killin' by non-scurvy hands is good and should be done as frequently as possible. Now, it be reasonable to wait for Day 2, only because o' the evens problem, as the sad-turtle pirate was sayin', but if we could be doubly shark feedin' every day, we'd be doubly feedin' them every day.

[Yarrrrgami]

It be close, the evens problem be that the double-voter wouldn't be able to prod two pirates off the plank if there be an even number of pirates.

The whole thing be moot anyway. The captain said that sad-turtle pirate can't prod two pirates off the plank at the same time.

[Yarrrrgami]

Ahoy there, illiteracy-pirate! How be ye on this fine day?

[Yarrrrgami]

That old chestnut[/quote

okay this is me telling you as a player to stop this shit.

you do not need to do this in order to prove to every1 how much you don't like your role (which is sort of insulting to the mod).

if we have a vig vig this plz ty

picking up for purposes

[Yarrrrgami]

That old chestnut[/quote

okay this is me telling you as a player to stop this shit.

you do not need to do this in order to prove to every1 how much you don't like your role (which is sort of insulting to the mod).

if we have a vig vig this plz ty

picking up for purposes

[Yarrrrgami]

Don't mind me parrot, doggy-pirate. Ye be scurvy-free.

We'll be havin' a good old pirate-parrot parlay period in our quarters.

[Yarrrrgami]

That old chestnut

okay this is me telling you as a player to stop this shit.

you do not need to do this in order to prove to every1 how much you don't like your role (which is sort of insulting to the mod).

I accept the part about insulting the mod, but don't see what you quoted has to do with my role

if you are a jester there are better ways to go about getting lynched. are you cognizant of site meta these days?

lol just act town. watch the wagon build on you or some1 else. work from there!

I might or might not be a tad cynical here.

[Yarrrrgami]

I'd still like you to elaborate on that scurvy accusation. It's a bit hard for me to explain whatever it is you saw if I don't know what it is.

Ye've held very few positions, one of which be that armor-pirate be town. Ye stated this position without addressin' or makin' any inferences about what that meant about the alignment of other pirates, even though that be the obvious non-scurvyminded direction to be takin' that (especially since soren is looking pretty scurvy-like). Ye later defend the pudding pirate.

The other position ye held was the scourge vote, which ye backed out of all prompt-like when forced to elaborate on it.

The barn vote be itself fine, but the justification is silly. Scurvy dogs do not make grand plans about making the honest pirates get all disputin'-like, and I don't see how you would honestly think that. "Rubbing people the wrong way" has very little scurvy motivation in itself.

[Yarrrrgami]

Sayin' that, I have to review the seductive-furry pirate's postin'. His justification for ye non-scurvy read be bilgewater.

[Yarrrrgami]

@Pirate: Why are you so sure that Sonic's actions mean scum instead of just new? I'd imagine you would be taking that into account.

I did indeed take that into me accountin'

Let me lay things out all clear-like.

We learn at 95 that he thinks armor-pirate be scurvy-free. Let's ignore the seduction-furry pirate bit for now. We learn in 117 that he be ok with the pudding-pirate's stance, so if the rat be non-scurvy, then he was readin' the armor-pudding conflict as likely non-scurvy vs. non-scurvy, or at least took that to be reasonably likely.

Now, why then does he have no problem with 28? It doesn't matter if he be a novice sailor, or maybe even especially because he be a novice sailor, that should be jumping out all suspicious to him. Instead we be hearing nothing from the rat about firebirdy lawyer pirate.

What about all the other pirates who be takin' sides against armor-pirate? Shouldn't they be the target of his scrutiny? Nope, the farm-pirate who be attacking the firebirdy lawyer pirate be the next vote in VOTE: 147, with terrible reasonin'. At the very least, I'd be expectin' him to review his scumread's vote target (Firebirdy lawyer) and be thinkin' "o, yeah, that guy may indeed be a scalawag given he be discountin' the possibility that armor-pirate and pudding-pirate both be free o' the scurvy."

There be one explanation that be jumping out at me as I be scrawlin' this, and it affects me read on you too.

[Yarrrrgami]

Har!

Me tags be too confusin' like. That was supposed to be the posty mark: 147

[Yarrrrgami]

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Sad-turtle be correct. Farm pirate is feedin' the sharks.

[Yarrrrgami]

If it be the case that the rat who be thinkin' he's radical is non-scurvy, I'd like everybody to be looking good and hard at seductive-furry pirate.

[Yarrrrgami]

are you town through? I want to know if we hit scum.

It be the farm-pirate who's feeding the sharks, not the firebirdy lawyer pirate.

[Yarrrrgami]

And while it be a bonehead plank-walkin', If there be a governor aboard the vessel, he'd best not be governing it if that sends us to Night.

[Yarrrrgami]

Har! The only way your throat is getting slit is with a dagger held by non-scurvy hands.

[Yarrrrgami]

Are ye 100% sure that makin' peace continues the Day?

[Yarrrrgami]

Ye'd best be making sure the lynch be going through if the Day be ending regardless, or ye be claiming scurvy.

[Yarrrrgami]

If the captain be lockin' the thread and nobody walks the plank, the squad o' scurvy be {armor-pirate, farm-pirate, and speedy rat pirate or seduction-furry pirate}.

[Yarrrrgami]

VOTE: Rat who be thinkin' he's radical, but actually be scurvy

[Yarrrrgami]

Armor-pirate, what manner o' Conan cosplay be ye masqueradin' as?

[Yarrrrgami]

YOU IDIOT!!! OF COURSE THAT MEANS MAFIA WILL KILL YOU TONIGHT SO THAT I CAN BE MISLYNCHED TMR???

Not really. Me being killed doesn't mean that anyone would think you did it. I just meant that you're annoying and not progressing the game so I want you to be lynched. But your weird overreaction makes me think that you might really be scum

Meh. Meta has shown that such a yelly overreaction is very typical of Kain so it's not alignment indicative probably.

~ kirro

can you point to the games that you have played with him? ty

[Yarrrrgami]

I now see why ye made that scrawlin in the discussin' pub about always walkin the plank on Day 1.

[Yarrrrgami]

O, never ye mind, that was kirroha.

[Yarrrrgami]

I be havin' no problem with that scrawlin'. It be the most non-scurvy thing the runny rat has said.

[Yarrrrgami]

On re-perusal, if farm-pirate be scurvy, it would be surprising to me if the runny-rat pirate be prodding his own matey-in-scurviness off the plank so readily as a novice scurvy-sailor unless the scurvy team were in agreement that they should be offing one o' their own.

If farm-pirate be non-scurvy (which is seeming increasingly unlikely given that he's been doing nothing but hiding below-deck), then it would be surprising to me that scurvy-runny-rat would point out the very correct observation that farm-pirate bein' non-scurvy strongly implies that armor-pirate is non-scurvy too, (outside of the possibility that armor pirate and runny rat be scurvy together, which is highly improbable to me).

[Yarrrrgami]

The pirate who be a barn.

Post-scribblin': ye can't tell Parrot Mollie's postin' from mine?

[Yarrrrgami]

Before we be feeding the sharks, I still want an answer to me question:

Armor-pirate, what manner of Conan character be ye masqueradin' as?

Same question to sad-turtle pirate too.

[Yarrrrgami]

What's the site meta on correlation between source alignments and game alignments?

I know on SmashBoards there was no such correlation, but I reason that question would be somewhat useless if that were the case here.

And if alignments here do mirror source material, might it be beneficial to claim characters en masse and go from there?

I be masqueradin' as someone who be a matey o' Shinichi, and I suspect all the non-scurvy dogs be doing the same.

The scurvy dogs probably be doubly-masquerading and can pretend to have a non-scurvy outfit.

Mass disguise claimin' be bad because it will be revealin' which limeys have special powers, but it's worth having armor pirate and sad-turtle pirate claim since their power already be known and there may be a deckhand who can figure out if they be speaking sooth.

[Yarrrrgami]

Why do ye think?

[Yarrrrgami]

kagami plz get on site chat thanks!

[Yarrrrgami]

Why do ye think?

Don't answer a question with a question. I want to hear you say your reason for it.

I was as clear about me motivations as a lake o' crystal, though apparently ye missed that.

Now, what did ye think was me reasoning? I be having a very hard time coming up with anything that could possibly strike ye as suspicious.

[Yarrrrgami]

Yarrrgami popcorn flavor. You first. GO!

Ye seemed to have missed what I said, and what seduction-furry pirate said (which was an idea-for-idea paraphrase o' me scrawlin').

[Yarrrrgami]

I said it clear as day, but I don't take kindly to questionin' for the sake o' questionin'.

[Yarrrrgami]

... and there may be a deckhand who can figure out if they be speaking sooth.

[Yarrrrgami]

kagami plz get on site chat thanks!

I see no parrot scribblin's in the pirate cove.

[Yarrrrgami]

Because if he be non-scurvy, then ye should be in the business o' findin' scurvy dogs. That question had no such intent, so I was askin' to see whether ye would come up with some silliness.

[Yarrrrgami]

@ scourge

can you give me a readslist plz?

cos I can't tell by your iso where your reads line up with tails except where you said they did in post 167.

[Yarrrrgami]

Call me Imperial Pirate or Space Pirate since my picture is a royal tie interceptor from starwars

Ok, ye can be space-lobster pirate.

[Yarrrrgami]

There appears to be one o' them deckhands who be preventing other hands from doing their jobs proper-like.

[Yarrrrgami]

I am good with lynching radical rat, scourge or turtles

I am not picky

[Yarrrrgami]

I am good with lynching radical rat, scourge or turtles

I am not picky

I be in agreement with me parrot, har!

VOTE: rat who be thinkin' he's radical but only because the scurvy be warping his brains

[Yarrrrgami]

Here be the funny thing, mr. rat, it wasn't us who the scurvy deckhand that disrupts other deckhands' duties be targeting. We simply know that somepirate was disrupted (an' who that was may be revealed later).

Of course, from the perspective of a scurvy dog who knows that neither he nor his buddies targeted us, it would seem like it was a non-scurvy deckhand who was disrupted us, even though no sensible non-scurvy roleblocker would target someone as clearly honorable and virtuous a seadog as ourselves.

[Yarrrrgami]

Piratical superpowers.

[Yarrrrgami]

Har! Ye caught me!

I be a scurvy seadog, and for no partic'lar reason, I decided to out that there be a non-scurvy roleblocker who targeted one of me buddies, thereby incriminating both myself and him.

[Yarrrrgami]

(the game does have the daytime parlayin' though, so ye be right about that, at least)

[Yarrrrgami]

Piratical superpowers.

[Yarrrrgami]

We obviously have a neighborhood. You're not a newbie-like landlubbing pirate, firebirdy lawyer.

[Yarrrrgami]

A neighborhood be a place where pirates can be parlayin' all private like, but aren't certain whether or not their parlay buddies be scurvy or otherwise.

And I meant that ye should already know that, because ye've been sailin' the scummy seas more than long enough.

[Yarrrrgami]

In general, whether or not there be daytime parlayin' for the neighborhood folks be the same for the scurvy scalawags.

[Yarrrrgami]

Ye mean the fellow ye've been calling "Nick" for half the game, furry-seduction pirate?

[Yarrrrgami]

Har! Didn't know that, I thought ye were all familiar-like.

[Yarrrrgami]

Armor-pirate was probably killed primarily because he wasn't going to be walkin' the plank anytime soon, but that alone is a terrible motivation for a N1 kill. The scurvy pirates want to kill a deckhand who can be investigatin' folks, and armor-pirate certainly wasn't doing that.

Armor-pirate kill makes a lot of sense if rat be scum. There also is some utility if sad-turtle pirate were scum since armor-pirate could have been lying about having only one use of his deckhand power, which would interfere with a quick-shark-feedin'.

I continue to be suspicious about furry-seduction pirate, but we were the only pirates to be voicing suspicion in their direction, so it's hard to imagine they would choose to kill elsewhere. Bein' ascared of protectin' type deckhands is possible, but it seems to me like armor-pirate was reasonably likely to get protection too.

[Yarrrrgami]

Pudding-pirate is worth looking at for armor-pirate interactions, but that he was impatient with the shark-feeding doesn't particularly bother me.

Farm-pirate had been asked to reveal his deckhand duties and instead decided to "prodge" after three and a half days of inactivity despite having multiple personalities hangin' out in his justice barn. I was thinkin' he was clearly scurvy and was getting impatient meself.

[Yarrrrgami]

and your last paragraph is.. you're saying that you were the only one who was suspicious of me, so it's.. unlikely that i would choose to kill you? i can't tell if you're saying that the nightkill would make sense if i'm scum, or if it wouldn't. i don't even think it's the pirate talk, i just feel like you maybe made a typo.

I just checked me scrawlin' and see no errors. I was sayin' that if you were scurvy, we'd likely be sleepin' with the fishes, which conflicts with an otherwise strong sense that ye be tainted with the scurvy.

[Yarrrrgami]

Who else be appearin' scurvy-like to you, furry-seduction pirate?

[Yarrrrgami]

I'll tell you more later after I talk to the pirate. I will say that his vote history is horrible.

It be looking pretty likely me plank-proddin' record is excellent, even down to me random vote.

[Yarrrrgami]

It be hard to say much about the loud pirate.

I be thinking that if he be scum, he's laying down far more position than he should feel he needs to given his shtick.

[Yarrrrgami]

Oh, I forgot FireBringer.

Okay, so I'm L-1 which means time to claim.....

Yumi Miyamoto, Town Roleblocker.
I blocked Not_Mafia last night, as Yarrrrgami can probably confirm, unless there's a second, scummier Roleblocker in our midst, which is what I was trying to figure out earlier toDay.

I be confirming that the claimin-to-be-non-scurvy pirate was blocked.

Anything else ye want to be claiming?

[Yarrrrgami]

Ye have a strange sort o' roleblockin' power. There be more to claim.

[Yarrrrgami]

Can ye be paraphrasin' what the captain scrawled to ye about your deckhand-duty disruptin' ability?

[Yarrrrgami]

An' I be saying the block is unusual. Are ye saying the captain didn't say anything about what your "block" does?

[Yarrrrgami]

Please ask the captain what it means when ye "block" someone.

[Yarrrrgami]

If the rat be scurvy-free, then the sharks would likely enjoy some sad-turtle soup.

[Yarrrrgami]

But first runny-rat pirate needs to be learnin' a bit more about his deckhand duties from the captain.

Ye should ask all confidential-like too. If the captain answers publicly, she'd be committing a captaining-error.

[Yarrrrgami]

Ye also may as well tell us why ye chose that partic'lar pirate to block.

[Yarrrrgami]

Pirate, I want to know why you think a double voter is scum.

We need to hear what the captain tells runny-rat pirate first.

[Yarrrrgami]

Not_Mafia isn't someone i'd target with a roleblock as mafia.

Why not?

[Yarrrrgami]

Oh, and the roleblock is a normal one

Captain, ye need to be consulting your first mate on this one.

Firstly, ye shouldn't be answerin' that question all public-like. You pretty much just confirmed that runny-rat pirate is a roleblocker. If you wanted to answer publicly, then saying "Roleblocks in this game be normal-like," rather than specifyin' that it was runny-rat's roleblock that ye be referring to.

Secondly, the neighborhood be locked, and ye scrawled in there that it was locked because of a roleblocking. That is not a normal roleblock. Your interpretation of roleblocking apparently includes passives and neighborhoods. Does it restrict factional communication too? Would it have blocked sad-turtle pirate's double-plank-prodding?

[Yarrrrgami]

Shouldn't have claimed that deckhand duty. I was sort of hoping to get ye shot.

[Yarrrrgami]

I agree that's a possible interpretation: "Here be your instantly resolvin' neighborhood. O, oops, ye were blocked. I be sort-of taking it back." But that's still a very unconventional resolution.

[Yarrrrgami]

The best way to be implementing neighborizin-type roles is as a Day action that resolves at the same time as shark-feedin'.

[Yarrrrgami]

Regardless, it be clear that runny-rat is truthful-like.

It sounds like this be an intentional variation by the greasy-hair first mate, so I be especially interested in whether runny-rat can be interferin' with sad-turtle pirate's deckhand duties.

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Kain

Explain this one.

Don't think he would troll as scum.

why wld you think this?

and how much experience do you have with kain?

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It's-a-me, the first matey!
Okay, but on the real, I'll be handling moderator duties while Jeanne11 is on V/LA.
Please bear with me as I do not have post-editing or thread controlling powers (for this thread and its existing PTs), so I can not lock thread for any reason.
I can make PTs, so if there are any PRs that create PTs, I can handle that.

I'm not sure why we're talkin' like pirates, we're detectives here! Also, I <3 this playerbase.

pm equinox, zoraster or even ut and ask for mod powahz for this thread.

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tails be growing on me like a barnacle

VOTE: frozen angel

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actually, how are you different as scum? what do you do differently?

nothing

That's not true. We all behave differently when placed in different roles. At least, assuming we play to our win condition.

Perhaps you aren't aware of your personal differences. I know I'm not. Or perhaps, in the interest of protecting yourself in future games, you'd decline to share.

But to say there are no differences is blatantly untrue.

i <3 rat thing for this post. even if he did block our hood, no that it was used much anyways.

ratty, I am sure you have covered this but an I am truly sorry for asking you to repeat yourself but I feel like i need the interaction of your response to get a better idea where your head is at.

why not mafia when he said he hated his role?

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I didn't take that into account at all.

I don't know what his personal role preferences are, much less his alignment preference, so I ignored that comment.

I think I sort of covered this on d1.

I am unsure of not mafia but he is vote blocking with us but eh mebbe cos he was sheeping kagami. he said he hated his role and when asked in the hood about it he said he felt a neighbourizer was a very weak role. what i don't understand is why complain, not talk, then sheep us.

what i am really surprised at is no1 is grilling us on what went on in the hood. like that shld have been the first order of business the second it was outed.

[Yarrrrgami]

our vote stays.

[Yarrrrgami]

I didn't take that into account at all.

I don't know what his personal role preferences are, much less his alignment preference, so I ignored that comment.

I think I sort of covered this on d1.

I am unsure of not mafia but he is vote blocking with us but eh mebbe cos he was sheeping kagami. he said he hated his role and when asked in the hood about it he said he felt a neighbourizer was a very weak role. what i don't understand is why complain, not talk, then sheep us.

what i am really surprised at is no1 is grilling us on what went on in the hood. like that shld have been the first order of business the second it was outed.

I thought that would defeat the purpose of the neighborhood?

neighbours aren't masons so you shld always grill the fuck out of them so that town has the same info that they do.

so why did you pick not mafia for the role block?

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what wld make you think he was a an indie? cos I didn't get that impression at all.

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@Pirate: When exactly did NM target you?

I am assuming in the day time cos we got the hood in the night round.

I think rat thing might be srsly legit. I am talking to him cos I am wondering if there is something that I am missing with not mafia and i like closing off loose ends.

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Unvote
Vote Kain

YOLO!

fa is most likely scum, it is just a matter of finding her partners.

[Yarrrrgami]

frozen angel wagon

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yarrgami

, scourge, fire, kain,

not mafia

,

frozen angel

I am actually inclined to think that if fa was bussed, there wld be only 1 scum on hr wagon. I think a wanted us to THINK she was being bussed so that we wld scumhunt off her wagon.

if she was being bussed it wld likely kain IMO altho I am going to revisit fire just to cover all of my basis.

scourge, rat thing and tails are in my townpile but I am gonna look at some things and pivot the game from several different angles before committing to a definitive readslist.

I feel good with my vote here tho!

VOTE: soren

[Yarrrrgami]

I am not happy with this game

, I may be subbing out.
Haven't decided.

hhhhmmm...

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Vote Phoenix

Pirate, follow me. It's Phoenix/Kain.

erm no. sorry, but I am doing my own sorting process from here on out.

thanks every1 for looking at my starting a vca process so that we can poe the game out, I will be sure to continue it specifically so that it can continue to be ignored. <---- don't mean to sound snarky but really? jesus christ.

I am not happy with this game, I may be subbing out.
Haven't decided.

sometimes there are these clangers in games where some1 will say something that doesn't fit the gamestate.

@ fire

why don't you like the game? I wld like some dialogue around this so that I don't jump to the wrong conclusion.

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Yarrrgami if you think I would say that because a scummate was just lynched, you should vote me.

It has to do with how this game has been handled by the mod.

I am in my sorting stage but I am willing to accommodate you!

VOTE: fire

I agree in that jeanne wld have benefited with a co-mod. my biggest concern now is that the game moves forward cos too much bitching about the mod tends to make games get abandoned.

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sorry, i'm just concerned about the Phoenix wagon.

are you sure there are scum on FA's wagon besides her? i think it's possible that there's either a buddy there, or that both of them weren't on the wagon. her talk about getting bussed may have been so we would assume the 'safe' option, which would be one scum on and one scum off.

when i was reading fa's reaction while it was happening I thought she was being bussed by both of her teammates. fa reminds me a lot of arc angel whom i consider to be a pretty solid player but arc lost her shit in a game when she was being hardbussed by her buddies. lol, she even made a thread while the game was going on in md complaining about bussing lol. fa's reaction looked very similar but I think fa is bit wilier than arc and when I reread sections of the game of when it was taking place it looks like mist spreading.

scum are likely in the middle (if there are scum on her wagon) which points to fire and kain. which is why I am trying to sort fire.

if you've done vca of the Barn wagon, can you quote it? if not, we can talk about that as well.

preview: townreading Soren is one thing but where and how is he obvtown?

I have not done vca of the barn wagon, no. I didn't like the lynch but kagami did so I just sort of checked out. I will get to it at some point tho.

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i thought the same thing about FA. it doesn't make Phoenix scum.

ugh i wanna go eat but i have this bad feeling that Turtles is going to hammer Phoenix right here and then somehow weasel out of it because 'scum wouldn't do that'.

yanno this wldn't happen if pple wld keep it in their pants and allow room and space for discourse. cos now that we have a scumflip we have a lot to talk about and trust me scum ain't gonna want that.

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I defo wld like to know as to why soren is "obvstown".

fire can you explain?

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Aren't you being opportunistic since public sentiment towards me is pretty low?
lol

I wouldn't know. I just got back from the drugstore

you read enough apparently to vote him tho so why doncha know?

I felt totally midwestern when I typed that last part.

@ ratty

where I am going with fire is that I find the comment of him being unhappy with the game after we just snagged scum to be really strange and out of place. I try to look at the motivations behind posts cos that is where you can the tidbits of alignment and I am genuinely confused as to why he wld feel that way towards this game if he were town. WE JUST HIT SCUM.

like I am pretty excited about that and it has gotten my head into the game.

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That's a solid point, really. The whole rest of the game he's looked... almost TOO town though.

I'll look into that after Tails shows up for the ULTRA GRILL.

Speaking of grills though, how's the ol' Neighborhood been?

ratty

varsoona reopened the hood briefly and then it was immediately reclosed by jeanne. and then not mafia died.

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jailkeepers don't receive feedback, so he wouldn't have been told if he'd been roleblocked. and it sounds like he sent it to jeanne. he should just ask her if his action was submitted on night 2 or not.

process of elimination, Tails. there's no reason to think he's town, but there are reasons to think other players are town. and your Phoenix case doesn't make him scum either, as i've explained.

that's an interesting choice, Turtles. why'd you ignore my request for your complete reads?

I'm like 99% sure you get told if your night action was incomplete for whatever reason... roleblocker or immunity or anything else. Do you not?

erm. who told you this. cos they are very very wrong. a jk wld NOT be told if he was blocked or not the only pple who receive notification as to whether they were blocked are pple with roles that are dependent on on a result from their night action from the mod.

@ tails

I am going to be very blunt with you so try not to take it personally or get mad okay? but nothing that you have said points to scum!phoenix that is outside of your imagination. I think you are town but I really think you need to do a hard reset.

caaaaaalm. don't make me post finding nemo clips.

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I guess it would've been fine to say that I was an alt in the beginning as long as I didn't say what my main account is

I wld just like to point out how early on d1 I SAID the game was full of alts and that is why i was having trouble getting into the game.

Faking newbiness seems like a breach in ethics to me... idk what all the rules on that stuff is though.

I agree feel free to join my anti-alt crusade in md.

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How is Pheonix and Yarrrgami super town?
I mean, I have a town lean on Yarrr, but as of lately is been...challenged.

how about you stop ignoring me and answer my question? what exactly has happened in the game that makes you unhappy with the mod? and not happy about nabbing scum?

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Pirategami: Do you honestly think that town has both a roleblocker and a JK?

I am getting around to that but I prioritize in thread play over set spec since the pple who do set up spec tend to get it wrong.

town role pm>>>>town motivation>>>>town posts

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Would it be any different if you didn't know who I am? And if it was a big deal, why didn't you request for me to replace in with my main?

are you talking to me? and y'all being honest about your mains is entirely up to you, I am not in the business of outing alts unless they severely piss me off which has honestly never happened before. I don't think.

I just don't like playing with them. *shrug*

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how about you stop ignoring me and answer my question? what exactly has happened in the game that makes you unhappy with the mod? and not happy about nabbing scum?

I am not ignoring you, I am not bringing drama into the game. I can voice my opinions about the mod after game.

Theres no need for it now.

okay, the reason why I was asking was very much game related. I mean our hood got perma-blocked by ratty and I am still confused as to how that happened cos ratty has not said his role blocking was permanent unless he is a vanilanizer.

lemme be clear about my intentions here, I want to rule out that you are a scummate of fa's just cos of your late game interactions (it sort of looks like you felt bad when she threw a hissy fit about the bus, if that is indeed what was happening) and your opening post struck me as scumplaining.

the town!soren is another thing that rubs me the wrong way cos I am still not really an answer from you as to why they are town. "oh by their tone" doesn't quite cut it cos they have been largely out of step with the gameflow and I feel like I have been waiting for content from them since forever. they do not feel town. they feel like turtling scum. so I am very curious as to how you have obtained that read.

so I wld love to sort this all out so that I can either move or continue to push your lynch. I find it really interesting that you cld tell that fa was scum flailing and not town flailing cos I am pretty sure we were the only 2 pple who thought that.

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I am not here to defend myself,

I wish I unvoted FA

, I think our lynch on her waas more Policy than anything which makes me feel bad, even if it was a scum lynch.

You can townread me or scumread that w/e.

if any1 ignores the bold I am going to cry.

my vote wasn't based on a pl and I doubt any1 else's was either. I am pretty sure nearly every1 LIKES fa. you sound like a disgruntled scummate who is feeling guilty and who is mad at the mod for something she messed up on. cos your defensiveness is disportionate to my questioning especially since I am about as gentle as I possibly can be since I like you and I get the feeling you feel like you got screwed.

I am just gonna let you be but I will be pushing your lynch if the game continues on, which I am frankly having doubts.

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Listen up mateys, I'm not entirely caught up on the ship's log, but I see there be some speculation about how the scurvy be infectin' the various deckhands, and have things to say.

Firstly, we already be seeing an important deckhand duty - detective disguise combination: Conan the Rolecop. The player masqueradin' as Conan be by far the most likely to be a strong investigatin' type, but his role be garbage (unless the scurvy folk all have scurvyness-indicative deckhand duties, but we know at least one didn't). That suggests we don't have a proper cop on this voyage, and likely no tracker/watcher either. This means that we non-scurvy folks need a lot of help to be having a fair chance, but none of the flipped non-scurvy hands are of any notable strength.

Now, without meanin' any offense to the chain of command, I'm not entirely confident that the captain and first mate have an especially strong sense of balancin' voyages, especially since there clearly be a lack of communication between them on how deckhands be interacting. Nevertheless, it be very reasonable to me that there be both a non-scurvy brigwatcher and non-scurvy duty-disrupter, until there be evidence of real strength amongst the non-scurvy buccaneers.

The better question be: "Why do the scurvy dogs fear the claimin'-to-be-nonscurvy pirate who is proven to have a weak deckhand duty over the rat who be thinking he's radical and has a strong deckhand duty?" A corollary be "Why kill armor-pirate?"

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Well, I used to play a lot of Town of Salem, where regardless of your night action, you're told if anything interfered. Whether you were roleblocked, target was jailed, target was immune, anything except transporter( I think bus driver in FM? ) really. You also get told if people attempted to do anything to you that you're unaffected by.

okay this site is very very different from salem and I am telling you that if I was vt and I got roleblocked I wld not be told. you are only told if you were to receive a night result of some sort and for some reason you did not get it but you will not be told why. only that you didn't get 1.

that is how it is typically done on ms and this is the understanding that the pple who mod and the reviewers have.

[Yarrrrgami]

Listen up mateys, I'm not entirely caught up on the ship's log, but I see there be some speculation about how the scurvy be infectin' the various deckhands, and have things to say.

Firstly, we already be seeing an important deckhand duty - detective disguise combination: Conan the Rolecop. The player masqueradin' as Conan be by far the most likely to be a strong investigatin' type, but his role be garbage (unless the scurvy folk all have scurvyness-indicative deckhand duties, but we know at least one didn't). That suggests we don't have a proper cop on this voyage, and likely no tracker/watcher either. This means that we non-scurvy folks need a lot of help to be having a fair chance, but none of the flipped non-scurvy hands are of any notable strength.

Now, without meanin' any offense to the chain of command, I'm not entirely confident that the captain and first mate have an especially strong sense of balancin' voyages, especially since there clearly be a lack of communication between them on how deckhands be interacting. Nevertheless, it be very reasonable to me that there be both a non-scurvy brigwatcher and non-scurvy duty-disrupter, until there be evidence of real strength amongst the non-scurvy buccaneers.

The better question be: "Why do the scurvy dogs fear the claimin'-to-be-nonscurvy pirate who is proven to have a weak deckhand duty over the rat who be thinking he's radical and has a strong deckhand duty?" A corollary be "Why kill armor-pirate?"

check with me before you post again thanx

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How about: town JK sees roleblocker claim>>>>town response is to see that as impossible given role>>>>suspicion ensues

Phoenix did none of that. What now?

I think kagami has the right of it, and I kind of think we shld kind of wait a bit and see. I wanted to talk to kagami first cos I wanted to make sure we were not stumbling all over each other but wrt game balance I trust kagami's judgment 100%.

I think if you took a step back and peeled yourself off of phoenix it might give you a more global understanding of the gamestate. if you want to break it down in set up terms it depends if the mod is treating the role as a protective with a hindrance to town, so the roles wld not conflict from that perspective.

which is why I prefer to go by in thread play.

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we should push Turtles. there's no reason not to. if we run him up, and he's town, then maybe it'll urge him to actually scumhunt. come on, that's good, right? not that he's town, but those of you who like, have him as a null read shouldn't object to that.
since he's scum i predict he'll either keep a stiff lip or say something that we can wring some info about his buddies from.

Nick you should help us out too. either vote Turtles or put out a case on someone else. <3 you're at L-2 with a double-voter, so if you're town i want you to say things. i know you're not here atm i'm just saying

why do you keep ignoring my points on fire? your points against beeboy can all be distilled into a playstyle thing which you wldn't know cos I am guessing you don't know beeboy very well.

fire has made some prettyfucking alignment indicative posts is dodging every single question I ask him and you are letting him get away with it in pursuit of a pet vanity lynch that i based on guess what playstyle things.

fire is the most likely to dodge a lynch as is soren which makes them infinitely more dangerous than hypothetical scum!turtles, why cos pple like you are unwilling to look at them. there are ways to sort beeboy and ramming his lynch through w/o bothering to look at anything else is not 1 of them. tails is just as bad with phoenix. so if you guys cld plz unstick yourselves from your tunnel targets and help me get to the bottom of fire's awful reaction that wld be fantastic.

god this reminds me of the game where etl flat-out claimed scum role blocker as in she actually said, "I am the scum role blocker for the orange team" and pple STILL dithered and wrung their hands until I threatened to start an md discussion naming and shaming them cos holy cow. oh yeah, etl fliped scum role blocker for the orange team.

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These are legit reasons for why I'm reaching the conclusion I am. Good game design vs. incredibly poor design. You're arguing for poor design because PoE i.e. "I has good feels about everyone else. Who cares what actual game info says.". At this rate, if I actually came out with a cop innocent on Turtles, you'd argue against it because it doesn't fit your view of the game. I am looking at it from a pure game design standpoint, using information that is both public and private, and I'm telling you that Phoenix's role does not make sense as town unless the mod made the worst designed game in the history of mafia scum. And the only reason that Turtles will be scum is if she did exactly that. So I'm going to err on the side of not complete stupidity and say that Turtles is town and Phoenix is freaking scum.

I am about to give a fantastic reason as to why you shld ignore set up spec.

do you know my role was in the last large theme I played in? bp until there were only 10 players left and then my hydra wld become bp, unnlynchable, indestructible, innocent child, doublevoter. do you know who designed that game? the co-mod for this 1.

food for thought. so you might wanna quit scumhunting based off of role speculation.

god, I am not asking that you VOTE fire just plz help me freaking sort him!

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why are you getting mad at me if you've just come to the conclusion that i don't know beeboy very well?
neither the Turtles wagon or the Phoenix wagon are vanity lynches! they both have three votes.

i'll look at Firebringer as well, i also don't like him, but i'm not removing my vote on Turtles when we've finally got a wagon here that'll stop him dodging everything.
you say that fire and Soren are the most likely to dodge lynches like i'm supposed to know that??? how am i supposed to know what those two are like?? Turtles is acting like scum and at LEAST firebringer was doing towny things earlier and participating. he sucks now and yeah he deserves to be pushed as well, i don't fault you for that but mollie, right now, you're on the vanity wagon and i don't appreciate this post.

I am not mad i am frustrated. I need help sorting fire cos I can't do it by myself.

I have thought turtles was scum since d1 no1 cared. but the points you are going after him are playstyle things, I found that kirhaha or whoever she is was much scummier when she wld post out of her hydra and not pick up, it is a way for scum to dodge iso inspection. so I am not opposed to the lynch but there a whole game that needs to be sorted instead of just 1 aspect of it.

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I don't care about setup spec

, I have a null on Phoenix. Town on Tails.

since when

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since when

When have I ever setup specced?

Subject: Blitz 5: Netherspite's Blitz SORM Mafia [Game Over]

We should just massclaim and break this game wide open.

reads like set up spec to me!

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so according to this and what you've said before, you should be alright with sheeping me and Sonic on Turtles of Despair.
explain to me why you're not, please. also explain why 'tone' is strong enough to put someone in your townpile - talking about Soren - when a player's tone is often just their playstyle?

Tone isn't part of playstyle.

point the posts where soren a "town" tone

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You quoted a Semi-Open game and used that as my setup spec game?
Are you

FUCKING SERIOUS!

Okay, you are an absolute moron.
I am a Starcraft II Mafia Player.
That setup, is basically from my homesite/mod.

I had played it 1000 of times, so I know the roles in the game, because you know:

ITS A SEMI OPEN

In summary: Your stupid.

you do set up spec cos that is how the is played on your homesite at least that is what you said in ANOTHER game that I was in with you.

so you are lying and want to avoid any discussion on set up spec for some reason. mostly that you do it.

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Pirates, I'm getting why Fire is frustrated. I have scum trying to slip away from me here. I've got them dead to rights. I need some more help.

why do you think is frustrated? the only person he finds scummy in the entire game is suddenly moi, cos I a calling him out on his shit.

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you do set up spec cos that is how the is played on your homesite at least that is what you said in ANOTHER game that I was in with you.

so you are lying and want to avoid any discussion on set up spec for some reason. mostly that you do it.

Shut up. I don't setup spec on Closed Setups because its a pointless endeavor.

My homesite never does a Closed Setup.

In summary: I am not a liar, you are misinformed and still a moron.

YOU stfu.

and stop it with the insults

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@Pirates: The more I play this game, the more I get angry at just the game in general. And I'm hoping beyond all hope that this game follows some form of sanity, because if not, I'm done.

this was 1 of my more pleasant games until fire started being an ass.

and it is a big time scum tactic on his homesite to insult and throw a temper tantrum like a baby in order to steer off a lynch.

fire is LYING. pure plain and simple. having a few townreads and the rest all nullreads is not gamesolving in any way. I get why you think phoenix is scum I really do. I get why scourge is scumreading beeboy. but lets shake down the person who is openly complaining that scum got lynched in the prvs day round, doesn't this make more sense? it will likely further yours or scourge's cases I think or shed light on soren.

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I am sorry Yarrrgami, I want to apologize for my insults.
But I am very annoyed that you say I setup spec on this site.
Then you bring up one game (that was semi open) and use it as proof.

I find that very misleading.

and I am telling you I have seen you do it. absolutely not. but I have seen you do it in at least a cple of games but I am not going to go digging through your game history to look them up.

I was trying very hard to be gentle with cos you seemed on edge. don't take your pissiness with the game out on me. I am trying to figure out why you are so unhappy that we lynched scum in the previous day round, it is not that hard.

eta: it will be okay fire, I just really needed 1 relatively calm game just 1.

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Turtles partner is one of Firebringer/Phoenix, probably.

Soren is another contender but it's hard to tell

this is where I have been at this entire day round. except for the part where you have turtles as confscum.

[Yarrrrgami]

This entire game is actually bad.

A guy on VLA and clear town are the 2 leading wagons.

who is cleared town? and who is v/la?

[Yarrrrgami]

mollie, please please trust me on this. i know i've only played one game with you, if fire is scum we can push him tomorrow as well. you must be reading Turtles posts here, he's doing the same thing firebringer is doing to you

preview: damn Phoenix ARE you scum??

scourge what part of that I have been scumeading turtles since d1 do you not understand? but there is a whole game to sort and I wld like a chance to sort it, yanno?

I personally wld like to be sure.

@ fire - we might have different ideas about set up spec. I think it was in a game with either titus or ika and they were probs the 1s who initiated the convo.

for the love of god pple plz don't end the day just yet.

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Firebringer negativity doesn't help anything. i'm kinda getting tired of it!
this game isn't really a shitshow. almost everyone has been participating.
it's only gonna get worse if you believe it is.

IAWTP

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mollie, why can't we sort the entire game tomorrow? why does it have to be today? it's day 3 with one scum dead. you'll get your chance tomorrow. you're not going to be nightkilled. look at the claims.

i think this is the hardest i've tried in a game, ever.

i'd understand if you thought fire was scummier than Turtles but i'm not getting that impression at all.

I DO think fire is scummier than fire but I am trying to work it out. I still don't have answers to 1) why soren is such a strong townread 2) why is he so unhappy that we lynched scum on d2.

during midgame is when town are most likely to misstep. game management is huge with me and part of that is to bottleneck scum's options for later in the game and that is based on town cohesion and we are nowhere near that. lack of town cohesion is how town loses games.

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Firebringer said that Soren was strong town because of his tone. i asked that earlier.

he explained that he was unhappy with the lynch because it felt like policy to him, and that he's unhappy with the game for reasons relating to the mod.

and I asked him what posts did he find a "town" tone of soren's.

do you think that fa was a pl? cos she wasn't and I pointed it out.

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i feel bad that all you guys are so mad. like it's my fault that you're not enjoying the game. i'm trying my best for us to win but i'm wondering if i should stop if it's making you guys hate everything so much..

plz don't blame this on yourself! I can only speak for myself but I am just frustrated but it is passing a bit.

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I still be busy with other duties, but I recommend we be:

1. Figurin' out how the captain resolves night actions with regard to the interaction of the deckhand-duty-disruptin' types.
2. Directin' the runny rat pirate and the firebirdy lawyer pirate. Possibly to each other, depending of the answer to #1.
3. Lynchin' the sad turtles.

[Yarrrrgami]

We prob'ly want to direct scourge too for completeness.

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Actually, it be makin' little sense that Conan be a rolecop unless at least one scurvy dog has an obviously scurvy role.

Strongpirate would be me guess if runny rat and firebirdy lawyer be scurvy-free, but then sad-turtle wouldn't be the one sent to be slitting throats. A shot-restricted stongpirate be possible, or it could be that the captain considers roleblocker to be high-probability scurvy.

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What do you mean by "directing"? And you should've told us sooner that you tracked him, scourge lol

There will be a meeting of all hands, and we'll be decidin' who you all be visiting in the Night.

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To Cap'n or the first mate if ye be capable of answerin' proper-like:

Let's say we have hypothetical pirates Jackie Purr the brigwatcher and Robbie Locker the deckhand-duty disrupter. How be their duties interacting?

1. Suppose Jackie Purr and Robbie Locker target each other, and Jackie Purr, who be scurvy, attempts to kill a third pirate, Vickie Tim. Will Vickie Tim be sleeping with the fishes?

2. Suppose the same situation be happening, but Robbie Locker be the scurvy dog who be killing Vickie Tim, does Vickie Tim die?

3. Suppose Jackie Purr be targeting Vickie Tim with the brig-watchin'. If Robbie Locker be scurvy, and he be targeting Jackie Purr and killin' Vickie Tim, is poor ole' Vickie wormfood?

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An' if Robbie Locker be scurvy, is it even possible that he can be both blockin' pirates and slittin' throats on the same night?

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Jeanne be a curious sort o' captain. I'd like it spelled out all plain-like.

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In one game I played with 2 roleblockers, whoever sent in their pm first had their action go through

There be no way to describe that situation without breaking the pirate's code concerning able-ism.

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Kagami do you think i should have waited longer? this is my first time doing this, i wanted to make sure that there was ultimately a wagon on Turtles but i didn't see a path there. and i didn't want to just keep pushing it in case more people just got fed up.

If ye erred, it was on the side of patience, not the opposite. The scurvy dogs should have figured out that you had a result from your behavior and sad-turtles could likely get a quickhammer in before you outed it.

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Methinks he lacks the subtlety for the wine bein' in front of somepirate interpretation.

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Lookin' at your early posts today, the scurvy dogs would have to be about as clever as a rusty anchor not to realize you had a guilty.

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That be a profoundly terrible idea.

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We'll be feeding the sharks some yummy turtle soup today. You'll be targeting who we tell you to target, and no one else.

The only meaningful thing that needs to happen is that the captain needs to answer my questions.

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Perhaps you should think it through a little harder. Just because something is different doesn't mean it's worth trying.

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To me mind, it be very possible, especially given the set of deckhands that appear to be on this voyage.

I'm never willing to discard the idea that the scurvy scalawags (or anypirate really) are simply oblivious, though.

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Yes one does know, because ye can simply think through why waiting until mylo/lylo is incredibly stupid. I be in a generous mood, so I'll explain it to you.

Firstly, they be a double voter. If they be alive at the end of the voyage, they simply win.

Secondly, they will give no useful interactions. There is no benefit to leaving them alive. If we lynch them, then scum will kill a pirate, confirming that pirate as non-scurvy, and allowing us to sort out who the last scurvy dog is with one fewer pirate of uncertain scurvyness relative to what we'd have if we leave them alive.

Thirdly, there is a massive advantage, especially given the organization of this voyage, to having only one scurvy dog alive at night. We have three deckhands available who become very close to Cops once there is only one scurvy scoundrel left. Your nonsensical plan involves one of those deckhands throwing away their role every night for what appears to be no gain whatsoever.

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If somehow the day ends before the captain gets back to us, runny rat and firebirdy lawyer are targeting each other. Failure to do so means claimin' scurvy.

Furry-seduction pirate can target whomever, as long as the target isn't one of those two.

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Except ye be a chief suspect, who would be cleared by this scheme if a kill occurs.

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It's very possible that the captain uses standard NAR, which means that we learn nothing certain if you target elsewhere.

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Turtles is confirmed, eh?

In that case, now seems a good time to bring up one of RADICAL RAT'S RADICAL AND CONTROVERSIAL EXPERIMENTAL TACTICS

Let's NOT lynch Turtles tonight. They're confscum, so all we have to do is ignore them completely, and be a bit more careful about L-2.

Then, we focus our efforts on finding the other scum. Either Phoenix or I will keep Turtles roleblocked, forcing the other scum to do the killing. Then if we hit mylo/lylo, we lynch Turtles immediately, with no chance of scum slipping out and pulling a last second win.

@ ratty - if we do not lynch turtles today it will give scourge an aneurysm and then she will have an operation which half her gets shaved and it will make her cry and then we will have to buy her expensive flowers, chocolate and teddy bears to cheer her up and IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT.

but your plan sounds like something that I wld come up with if there was a strong town core that I trusted. are you sure you are not my spirit animal?

@ scourge - I figured you had some kind of dirt on turtles and I wasn't gonna abandon you, turtles hiding behind his v/la status as to why he hasn't done anything was garbage since he has been posting elsewhere on site, I just wanted to look at the rest of the game too. I hope you can understand that. as far as outing goes I usually out on d1 just so I can scumhunt in peace altho it is dependent on the role. I think you are fine.

so what were looking at is this:

phoenix - cos of role claims

fire - unhappy that scum was lynched on d2.

soren - soren who?

this is a good basis to work from and to look at their interactions and votes on turtles and other players.

I wld really love to see a vc from jeanne or anything really.

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Will I be told if I am jailed? Or will we be relying on trust?

You will not be told, and you won't be jailed because you'll be blocking the firebirdy lawyer.

There is no trust beyond the trust that non-scurvy pirates will do as they're told.

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Except ye be a chief suspect, who would be cleared by this scheme if a kill occurs.

Can't the scum just not kill anyone to make it look like I'm scum?

Yar, they can.

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That be a profoundly terrible idea.

lol, in case it is not obvs kagami and I have radically different approaches.

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That is not a problem, though.

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Cross-self-postin' be fun! Har!

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Maybe I'm wrong and it won't work out that way. But you never know until you try, yeah?

I've given a more in-depth explanation in my last game when I brought this up.

I have tried it and it worked btw in multiball large with 3 scumteams, 9 scum in a 27 player game. town won with only 1 mislynch.

lemme catch up and we will talk.

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Why do you think sad-turtle's double-vote doesn't work in lylo, runny-rat?

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Why do you think sad-turtle's double-vote doesn't work in lylo, runny-rat?

they usually don't, cos of the advantage in lylo of team over the other. I have been a double voter as both alignments altho i probs need to check varsoona's game to see if we cld have double voted in lylo. I know I cldn't in doa nor when I was a scum dblevoter but that game was a while ago.

but I am down with a turtles lynch cos of the potential for his votes to mess with the vc.

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This still seems dumb to me. Preventing the jailor from doing his job lol. It's actually even worse than that because I'm not scum, and you're wasting not only my night action but radical rat's as well. You even admit that the scum can just not kill anyone tonight. So this is just a complete waste of time. The reason behind thinking I'm scum sucks too. It's based completely off of bs setup speculation instead of my actual actions.

wow some1 doesn't sound happy

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If ye have an alternative, feel free to be all vocal-like about it, firebirdy lawyer pirate.

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I mean... I guess Beeboy could have lied there, but it seemed genuine at the time. So genuine, I even mistook it for an official mod post earlier.

Gosh, why would he be lyin' about that? What seems genuine about it?

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As a scurvy double-prodder, bein' able to double-prod at the end of the voyage be the

entire point

of the role.

Ye believe the captain just left that little detail out of the deckhand duty description?

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If ye have an alternative, feel free to be all vocal-like about it, firebirdy lawyer pirate.

Let us roleblock/jail anyone and let a real scourge decide which one of us he wants to track. So he can confirm that we really blocked the person we said we blocked. And we shouslnt announce who we're gonna block before hand because if they're town then the Mafia might kill that person and make the blame go on us.

So then the scurvy dogs can still no kill and "frame" two pirates, and pirates who we may otherwise not want to send down the plank.

Also if rat is scurvy, he can just block you and kill scourge.

And if you're scurvy, you can block rat and kill scourge.

And is scourge is scurvy, he knows he isn't getting blocked and kills one of you.

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I'd rather just have a nice scurvy target to potentially lynch if there's no kill.

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If the scurvy dogs want to make this a nightless, then I'm pleased as piratey punch to go along with that.

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It's better than just not accomplishing anything at all which is what happens if we follow your idea

P-edit: then look elsewhere, because I'm town lol

Why be ye so confident they're going to no kill?

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And then what do they do the next night?

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Why do they kill if they don't know who's being targeted?

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Why do they kill if they don't know who's being targeted?

I was saying that we shouldn't announce who we're going to target. So that the Mafia can't kill them

Why do they kill if you don't announce who you're targeting? You are vehemently against runny rat blocking you because you're confident they'll no kill "for the mislynch," and thus the exercise is pointless.

Why are you confident they will kill if they don't know who is being blocked?

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Why do they kill if they don't know who's being targeted?

I was saying that we shouldn't announce who we're going to target. So that the Mafia can't kill them

Why do they kill if you don't announce who you're targeting? You are vehemently against runny rat blocking you because you're confident they'll no kill "for the mislynch," and thus the exercise is pointless.

Why are you confident they will kill if they don't know who is being blocked?

Why wouldn't they?

Because there be three deckhands out there who could be catchin' them.

But ye don't care about the repercussions of any alternative, you just want to survive, and it doesn't seem to be a possibility to you that there could be a kill if you're blocked.

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Har! Ye can't slit throats and watch the brig at the same time, now can ye?

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phoenix I feel like you are getting drunk off of your wifom so i am cutting you off.

the plan is pretty solid and it looks like you are doing anything to sneak a na in which makes you look bad. and I am surprised you are putting so much trust that your na will actually go through since according to you the mod derped on n2 and didn't put it through.

I still think it is fire, if you look at who was insisting that the game was "bad" after we just lynched scum and were narrowing the possible scum pool it was turtles and fire.

scourge is town, ratty is town, tails is town, we are town. <----- this is a pretty solid town core, scum wld be insane to skip a nk just for wifom's sake since it is unlikely we are going to be turning on each other.