Mini 1770: College Mafia! (Game Ovah)

[Aristophanes]

I didn't get first post!!!
VOTE: Jeanne11

YOU THIEF!

I should also vote Sir and Guilty lion.

Baaaah
VOTE: Jeanne

[Aristophanes]

Ahh, but which is the wagon now?

Perhaps you should join mine, rather than denounce it!

[Aristophanes]

Wrong wagon Aristo

Are you sure?

[Aristophanes]

Yeah I'm pretty sure right now.

But they aren't even here yet!

Cake is pretty compelling tho...

[Aristophanes]

Yeah I'm pretty sure right now.

But they aren't even here yet!

Cake is pretty compelling tho...

Exactly why you should help wagon them! We'll have a surprise for them.

Surprise and Cake?
Alright fine, I'm convinced.

VOTE: Night Hunters

[Aristophanes]

In prod range. Sorry.
Going to bed but I'll be here in the morning.

[Aristophanes]

Alright! I have officially caught up on the game!

Reads thus far:
Scum Leans: Cake, ToJam, Zeif
Town Leans: NH, FB, Shadow, BBT

VOTE: Cakey

[Aristophanes]

The cakey wagon has kind of died out, a lot of you want either a Fire policy lynch or a Gl scum lynch, and seen as he voted for me basically for agreeing with someone else:

VOTE: GL

This post in particular is disgusting.

At the time it was posted, Cake was the leading wagon.
ToJam falsely says that the wagon is dying, but yet it is his unvote that takes the wagon out of "possibly lynch" territory.

I could very possibly see a scumteam with the two of them on it.

[Aristophanes]

I will keep my vote where it is. I feel comfortable with it.

Talk to me about your GL read. Why is this a good place for your vote, and why are you not exerting any pressure on the slot?

Also, Dafuq is this post supposed to mean??

That depends on your perspective. What's rational to one player may not be rational to another. For instance, this

Spoiler: window attack

to one player this might be seen as relatively normal, to other it's suicide. Just like letting myself be killed is suicide.

[Aristophanes]

Shadow, why call me out as "using my scum meta" and then not vote or push me farther? I figured you'd be all over that and was very surprised by the lack of vote.

[Aristophanes]

Because I cannot think of anyone else that pings me as scum at this moment. As for spoiler, it's a bit of snark towards massive.

Ah, gotcha. That's why I didn't get it.

So, nobody pings you as scum, what about as town? Or is everyone null right now?

What do you think of NH and Cake?

What about FB vs BBT?

There's plenty to get reads from atm, yet you mention nothing.

[Aristophanes]

That's right. No one pings me as scum. As for NH, they're town, but that doesn't automatically mean SC is scum.

True. Ohay cool.

So, what about GL has pinged you as scummy?

[Aristophanes]

Aristo why are you town reading NH?

I haven't gotten a scumvibe off a single one of their posts.

Reasonable arguments are being made, they are calling people out for subverting their attempts, they are jokey without derailing conversation, and they aren't afraid to make a push and commit to it.

I don't see any reason to doubt this read at the moment.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes, I think that was my RVS vote, why should I keep it?
I will claim if I reach L-2 btw.

It's not that you changed from your RVS vote that I dislike, it's the way you did it.

[Aristophanes]

How are their (Night Hunters) arguments reasonable? Go reread their most recent posts and come back.

Requoting since it was ignored
@Aristophanes

I reread their posts and I don't see how their arguments are unreasonable.

They are stating things clearly, rather than obscuring things. Their arguments make sense. They are pushing it strongly because they both agree. Neither head is faltering in their push which backs this up. 196 especially is an extremely town post, and their push on you is legitimate.

Please, tell me what you think is unreasonable in their posts, because I totally disagree with you here.

[Aristophanes]

Alright! I have officially caught up on the game!

Reads thus far:
Scum Leans: Cake, ToJam, Zeif
Town Leans: NH, FB, Shadow, BBT

VOTE: Cakey

Would you like to talk about these reads in more detail?

I can understand why you lean scum on SirCakez, although I do not agree. I definitely agree with your scum-lean on tojam. However you are the first person to openly read me as scummy if I'm not mistaken. Please expound.

How are you arriving at NH, Firebringer, and BBT all at town-leans given the current dynamics of the game? Namely, BBT has called out NH, and Firebringer seems to think there is one scum in NH/BBT. Also, given that GuiltyLion is a large part of the current focus with these players, where do you lean on him and why?

NH/BBT/FB all have town motivations. I can see FB/BBT at a TvT easily. Their interactions screamed that to me. NH I think is also clearly town at this point.

As for my read on you, it is admittedly weak. It had to do with something I had seen at the time and can't remember. I'll have to look back and see what it was.
Consider it a light FoS for now. Nothing serious.

[Aristophanes]

I'll do this either later tn or tomorrow after work.

Sorry I suck so much >.>

[Aristophanes]

Shit, I let this game slip again.

Welcome, Thor! Your name and legend precede you!

[Aristophanes]

@Thor,
In Shadow's experience, my scum meta is to proddodge and active lurk. He has called me out on it in a few past games, as well as one where we were scum together, and has been correct.

What he has yet to see is that I often do so as either alignment, making it generally NAI.

[Aristophanes]

Why are you active lurking?

Because since you're reading this exchange you're clearly reading and not posting.

It came up in my Ego. I am behind in reading the game and need to set time aside (probably tonight) to rectify that so I can be relevant to the game again.

[Aristophanes]

We've got 2 days. What's the case against Thor exactly?

[Aristophanes]

Not gonna join NH unless something screams scum. I had then as a strong townread.

Lynching Fire is bad and shouldn't happen.

I can help consolidate onto Thor if required.

[Aristophanes]

Are we seriously going after another pr!?

Tojam, that vote is shit. Why no comment on the claim, just a vote while avoiding it?

Jeanne, I don't even.
Would lynch.

[Aristophanes]

Are we seriously going after another pr!?

Why does them claiming a PR matter in any way at all?

Because I knew they were sifting a PR from the get go with their "Mom" and "Dad" post signing. I had them as a strong townread because of this and due to their play!

Tojam is just giddy to kill a good PR so he can become them.
I have seen scum backups before, so I'm not buying that he is town by role.
That's also why I had them in my scum pool before. Because their play was scummy, and their claim dubious as well as unprompted.

[Aristophanes]

In fact, VOTE: ToJam

This is my preferred wagon now.

[Aristophanes]

To prove it....

@mod Did I unknowingly target someone last night?

Because that's totally a question the Mod will answer...

[Aristophanes]

I will not support an NH lynch.
This is ridiculous.

VOTE: Shadow

GL, one sec. I gotta find that question again.

[Aristophanes]

"giddy to kill a PR"? Where was the giddiness in tojam's posts?

I want Ari to address this. Why did you say choose to say that he was "giddy" to kill a PR?

VOTE: Aristophanes

Got it.
It really had to do with his timing. First, when he claimed, it felt like he was saying "don't worry about lynching a PR, I'll just do their job for them!" which advocates for a D1 PR lynch. I can't really see any other good reason for him to gave claimed then (when Fire was being debated Iirc).
Then he voted NH literally 2 posts after they claimed tracker, and didn't even mention the claim. This told me they were looking to absorb their power and didn't give a shit who they were.

Thus my scumread, vote, and push on that slot.

I classify this as giddiness. It was not "pure embellishment" by any means.

[Aristophanes]

I will not support an NH lynch.
This is ridiculous.

VOTE: Shadow

GL, one sec. I gotta find that question again.

You are following Night Hunters logic on this? I don't understand how the mod error confirms anything. Even Shaddowez attitude could be seen as town by using same facts presented in different way.

From what I gather, we either have 2 JK, (yourself and whoever blocked shadow), or yourself and a secondary roleblocker. 3 is too many, as was mentioned. The scum JK would have to have targeted Shadow, which makes little sense to me, as NH was a prime target, and 2 JKs seems unlikely.

Therefore to get both no results, someone is lying. And I believe NH.

[Aristophanes]

I thought I had v/la'd.
Oh well I'll see what I can do since that's just about over. My apologies!

[Aristophanes]

Hi all, I'm back!
I see I'm at L-1 :S
Nice to know I was missed!

NH is right about the number of blockers required. I don't get why they are being fought on it so hard!
N1:
Fire blocks Jeanne
??? Blocks NH
??? Blocks Shadow

That seems like way too much blocking power if it is a regular setup.
So either FB lied, GL is Ascetic, or we are in full multiball.
I don't think FB lies right now. So we need to flip GL and find out wtf is going on here!

Also, on the enabler talk, why are we assuming anyone but Kirrhoa's role was enabled? BBT flipped "BP Enabler" on a certain role, Aero confirmed that Thor's BP was not enabled, and Kirr's was, and there was no hint at anything else being enabled. It's pretty black and white.

Oh, and
VOTE: GL

[Aristophanes]

That seems like way too much blocking power if it is a regular setup.
So either FB lied, GL is Ascetic, or we are in full multiball.
I don't think FB lies right now. So we need to flip GL and find out wtf is going on here!

Why aren't you considering the equally likely possibility that NH lied? Like they're claiming a tracker with no results that lived into D3

Hmmm

Right.
Because they are Motherfucking Town!
(Pardon my language, Mom & Dad)

Why is this so hard to grasp?

[Aristophanes]

Like try to quote one of their pushes that is clearly town motivated

K, I'll be back with that.

Though the correct and easy answer is "all of them, because they are town, and town is only able to push town motivated wagons."

[Aristophanes]

Since we have just over two days to deadline and you already have votes, sure.

VOTE: Thor

You sheepy scum? Thor is obvtown and you've piled on almost every wagon.

Oh and look, here's a chainsaw against town voting scum

Why didn't they vote them then and try for a counterwagon?

Actually, that's exactly what you did on NH. Looking at VCS following that, Thor had been at L-2, but the switch to NH, and ultimately ToJam, derailed that. You were early on the scum counterwagon, which is another strike against you.

I still have to do my homework oh NH for you, but I will also be looking at how this counterwagon evolved.
Why has nobody done this yet?
We have flipped scum who was almost lynched D1!

[Aristophanes]

I fell asleep reading Thor's Iso last night and haven't been able to finish it yet. It shouldn't take too much longer.

Zeif, I have no clue why there are 2 town neighbourizers, or why one is day and one is night activated, or why there were a different number of people neighbourized by each.
I can only assume it is to cause counterclaims and wine.
I wish there was a better answer for you, but I simply don't have one.

[Aristophanes]

Sorry about that everyone!

Fire, do you really think the best time for scum!me to start lurking would be when a wagon is in full swing? I was hosting Easter and got distracted.
I see the whole game's been slow. Sorry for my part in that!

[Aristophanes]

Aristo should fullclaim with flavor I think.

Would this change your read? What new information does this bring?

I think the game is stalling because scum is avoiding the Aristo wagon. If he were town he'd be (mis)lynched by now. His role is literally a counterclaim to a flipped town role.

Scum have literally no reason to avoid my wagon.

The counterclaim rhetoric is too easy to push and is a legitimate concern. I'd expect they would be all over that! It lets them legitimately look like they're scumhunting and they can always go "but he should have flipped scum!" as a defense when I don't.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo should fullclaim with flavor I think.

I'm the University Acapella Group!
Each day I recruit two people to sing with me.

That's why I posted a song from Pitch Perfect as my first post in the Neighbourhood thread, Fire & NH.

[Aristophanes]

is anyone else a specific group? Groups could possibly be scum.
-Dad

I assume I'm a group as I neighbourize more than one person at a time..

[Aristophanes]

@Ari, not really buying the whole you're a choir thing. Possible, yeah but a floor party doesn't sound like something a choir would throw.

[Aristophanes]

So town massclaimed? Is there somewhere the claims are collected? I've seen a couple here and there but having a list would be really nice. I see this big thing about GuiltyLion possibly being an ascetic or there maybe being multiple blockers? Sorry I hate being such a burden. Trying to reread everything but I feel like I'm missing lots of little details...

No worries Nahdia!
Also, welcome to the game

No massclaim, no. But a few claims have occurred, and some funky night stuff.

Shadow is a flipped neighbourizer, I am a neighbourizer as well.
NH is a claimed Tracker
FB is a claimed JK

GL is assumed to be scum due to night action results.
N1 NH was blocked. Fire JK'd Jeanne (you). Shadow claims to have been blocked.
This is too much blocking power, thus the assumption of both multiball and GL or FB scum.
Either FB lied about his block, GL is Aescetic (thus no neighbourization), or an unknown third blocking role blocked Shadow.
This means we can assume the blockers to be at least partially scum aligned, as there are too many of them to all be town.

So yeah, this is the current multiball/GL scum/too many blockers theory we're running on.

Unless you want to believe NH is lying scum, then this crumbles a bit. I find that unlikely though.

[Aristophanes]

Shadow is a flipped neighbourizer, I am a neighbourizer as well.
NH is a claimed Tracker
FB is a claimed JK

GL is assumed to be scum due to night action results.
N1 NH was blocked. Fire JK'd Jeanne (you). Shadow claims to have been blocked.
This is too much blocking power, thus the assumption of both multiball and GL or FB scum.
Either FB lied about his block, GL is Aescetic (thus no neighbourization), or an unknown third blocking role blocked Shadow.
This means we can assume the blockers to be at least partially scum aligned, as there are too many of them to all be town.

Or here's the explanation that accounts for the fact that I'm not ascetic:

NH is lying scum
FB is town JK

N1 NH was not blocked, Shadow was blocked.
(as an aside, LOL at Ari saying Shadow "claimed" to be blocked when shadow is flipped town)
N2 NH was not blocked, Fire was blocked - which is why Thor was killed.

The only reason there is all this confusing crap about ascetics and multiple blockers is because NH is claiming to be a D1 outed Tracker with no results that is still alive in D3.

Town!JKer Fire and scum!NH is a tremendously simpler explanation than a world with two scum blockers or one scum blocker in addition to me also being ascetic-scum that lied about it the whole game.

The wrench in my thinking here is I have literally no idea what the fuck SirCakez is doing.

So, you think Our Parents are aligned with Crippling Debt??
{Something something "when I was your age I worked part time and went to school..." Shit :S}

I believe 100% that they are a PR.
I think they are town.
You are right that I have no proof of this, and that they could be scum.
Why go through all this trouble and garner so much attention then though? That seems counter intuitive, even for Dwlee and Titus.

[Aristophanes]

NH town flip basically confirms GL is scum, yeah?

I believe so, yeah.

[Aristophanes]

So, you think Our Parents are aligned with Crippling Debt??

Why not? Is there some rule in Aero's posts that I missed that proves that they can't be?

No, and I started doubting their alignment in that post, as I can see some corrrelation.

I believe 100% that they are a PR.

Which you've never explained, btw. You've been pressured

repeatedly

since D1, to answer for this:

Because I knew they were sifting a PR from the get go with their "Mom" and "Dad" post signing. I had them as a strong townread because of this and due to their play!

Signing posts with "Mom" and "Dad" is not at all a reason to believe that they are a PR.

Sure it does!
It is feigning that they have a role, and that it is our parents.
I can totally see them being trackers because of it, as parents are overly attached at times, and want to know everything that's happening with their little ones!

[Aristophanes]

Scum have literally no reason to avoid my wagon.

The counterclaim rhetoric is too easy to push and is a legitimate concern. I'd expect they would be all over that! It lets them legitimately look like they're scumhunting and they can always go "but he should have flipped scum!" as a defense when I don't.

This post makes no sense considering I feel like I'm fighting tooth and nail to get him lynched

Look at D1 and D2 again. NH and Thor avoid his wagon like the plague.

So what?
Thor obviously didn't see me as a threat, and if NH I'd scum, they know how easy I am to mislynch. It's far better to save that for later phases when the going gets tougher.

I am not scum so scum have no reason to avoid my wagon.

[Aristophanes]

So what?
Thor obviously didn't see me as a threat, and if NH I'd scum, they know how easy I am to mislynch. It's far better to save that for later phases when the going gets tougher.

I am not scum so scum have no reason to avoid my wagon.

So who is scum on your wagon besides Guilty?

Wagon is you, GL, Massive.
At least 1 scum, my bet is on GL.
Just because scum aren't avoiding it doesn't mean they are all on it.

[Aristophanes]

GL, FB, I've got a deal for you.
I'll compromise on an NH lynch today.

If they flip town, we lynch GL tomorrow.
If they flip scum, we lynch me tomorrow.

Thoughts?

[Aristophanes]

I'll even add the two of you into the neighborhood tn if you like, GL taking NH's place.
Then we can further discuss the flip.

[Aristophanes]

Why doesn't it include a plan if they flip third-ball?

What would you propose in that situation?

[Aristophanes]

Why are you lining up lynches. -wtf-

Cake, do you think two town neighborizors is possible?

I'm not.

Your flip basically confirms our alignments.

[Aristophanes]

Us flipping town doesn't confirm your alignment, at all..

But it confirms GL scum and GL & I are clearly not aligned.

[Aristophanes]

Us flipping town doesn't confirm your alignment, at all..

But it confirms GL scum and GL & I are clearly not aligned.

No, because then fire could be one of the scum roleblockers, and you not being aligned with gl means nothing in multiball.

Okay, it confirms GL/FB scum.
Still good.

[Aristophanes]

Why doesn't it include a plan if they flip third-ball?

What would you propose in that situation?

I'm really more curious why it didn't, than what the plan would have been.

Well, if they flip a secondary scum party, it has no bearing on either of our alignments, so we would have to cheer and reevaluate. In theory I would still be the lynch as people are assuming associatives between us.

However, I think this will not be the case.

[Aristophanes]

GL, FB, I've got a deal for you.
I'll compromise on an NH lynch today.

If they flip town, we lynch GL tomorrow.
If they flip scum, we lynch me tomorrow.

Thoughts?

If you can get the votes on NH then I'll go there but I'm thinking this is just wine for after your flip

Okay then, join me.

Cake, FB, you in?

VOTE: NH

[Aristophanes]

LOL

VOTE: Ari

You went from town reading us to leading a wagon on us just to save your own skin. lol nope. You know we're flipping town and are going to use it for town cred. lol nope

L-1

And you did the same thing as soon as there was any argument to be made against me, knowing I'm easy as hell to lynch. As I say, those pushing the double neighbor rhetoric are likely scum.
I am not scum.

Nobody hammer without intent please. I have more words to say.

[Aristophanes]

LOL

VOTE: Ari

You went from town reading us to leading a wagon on us just to save your own skin. lol nope. You know we're flipping town and are going to use it for town cred. lol nope

L-1

And you did the same thing as soon as there was any argument to be made against me, knowing I'm easy as hell to lynch. As I say, those pushing the double neighbor rhetoric are likely scum.
I am not scum.

Nobody hammer without intent please. I have more words to say.

uhm no? I am saying you are scum, you are saying that we should lynch titus' and I's slot to confirm one of fb / gl as scum and to give you town cred.

No, I am saying that despite my townread on you, I can see your flavour being Scum aligned. I am willing to take a chance and am putting my neck on the line by suggesting this course of action.
I would much rather a GL lynch today, but will settle for one tomorrow. If he is right and you're scum, I'll eat me words. It is possible and thus a chance I am willing to take.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, my flip wouldn't confirm anyone, so it isn't as meaningful.

You do raise a decent point at the end there though!

[Aristophanes]

i'm just waiting for Ari to get hammered

But I have so much to offer still.

Like, legit!

[Aristophanes]

Hey, Firebringer or GuiltyLion, which is scum?

I mean, it has to be one of the two.

My gut says GL, game mechanics say Fire.
I like my gut better because mechanics can lie.

[Aristophanes]

Fuck!

[Aristophanes]

You should have given intent

[Aristophanes]

I'm SK.
I shot Thor twice.

I think NH is town.

I was going to advocate an FB lynch and GL NK from me, as at least one is scum.

I am the multiball.

I still say scum were pushing the double neighbor point, as they can hide there. Easy way for scum to scumhunt, not knowing I was anything but town.

[Aristophanes]

Like, I was a post away from offering you my kill, for town use.

You just fucked that up.

[Aristophanes]

And I'm not bullshitting. It's in my private chat with Aero.
You'll see postgame.

I was legit going for scum as a Vig, I just misplayed during the day.
I wanted to help get rid of scum.

Probably a 3 man team anyway.

[Aristophanes]

GL/FB need to die.
I still say GL is main scum.

[Aristophanes]

But wtf should I care.
I'm dead and have no chance of winning now.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think NH is scum, but flavour is legit concerning.
Parents make sense as trackers, but also as scum with Debt, having been the generation that created said debt by ruining the system.

I may be over thinking it, but it is possible.

[Aristophanes]

Zeif, I'm so sad right now :'(

[Aristophanes]

Like, I was a post away from offering you my kill, for town use.

You just fucked that up.

I was legit going to just full claim Sk and give you my kill.

But no.
You had to hammer.

[Aristophanes]

Mod Notes:

Mama, just killed a man!
Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger now he's dead

I don't wanna die!
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all!

[Aristophanes]

Like, I was a post away from offering you my kill, for town use.

You just fucked that up.

I was legit going to just full claim Sk and give you my kill.

But no.
You had to hammer.

Given the situation, dropping the body count is best.

Town having control over my kill is best.

So I disagree.

Also, you're welcome for killing the only groupscum so far.

Enjoy the associatives from it.

[Aristophanes]

Why am I shaking?
I think I actually cared about this game

Haven't had this happen in a while!
So kudos Aero and you all for making this fun and having Mr give a shit for once!

[Aristophanes]

You were at L1 for a while. You could have just claimed Vig LOL.

Not the end of the world. Tomorrow is probably mylo but we will lynch anyway.

Probably is Mylo.
So my kill would have simplified things!

Also, lol.
Nobody would have believed that and you know it!
I thought about it,but obviously that was a scumclaim at that point!

I Still would have liked intent.
You could have at least hammered properly then, knowing I was antitown, but willing to help.

[Aristophanes]

Yeah if we misslynch today and then two kills happen at night there's possibly only two townies left vs three scum. At least this way it's probably gonna be 4v2.

But I had to be last man standing and was scumhunting the scumz.

I wouldn't have aimed for town. And I wasn't gonna aim there today post-claim.

I could have helped get rid of scum and then, should there still be enough, get lynched, and if not, win knowing I had tried to be protown.

Aiming town would have been against my wincon at that point.

[Aristophanes]

Whatever, it's done.
I'm sorry for spamming the thread.

[Aristophanes]

Just remember, in VCA, I count as town, not groupscum.
And scum pushing me probably had an inclination that I was TP.
Be aware of the cases on me else you'll lose.

[Aristophanes]

I gave intent all day today without explicitly stating, I'm ready to hammer. No need to do that for someone whose claim is already out and someone who isn't bringing anything to the table.

Vig still more believable than second neighborizer lol.

But I am a second neighbourizer...

[Aristophanes]

And I was bringing what I could without outing myself.

[Aristophanes]

I explicitly asked for intent too, so I could bring my claim to the table.

Thanks for ignoring that.

[Aristophanes]

The worst part is I don't even think I played badly until late in this phase.
I had it behind the scenes.

I even almost brokered a deal (which Cake was oddly interested in.)
I just couldn't get the votes off of me so I could do anything.

[Aristophanes]

1) you're scum so I don't remotely feel bad for hammering you.
2) if this is an etiquette issue, I gave intent to vote you multiple times. I'm not gonna sit around and wait longer than I think is fair.
3) being at L-1 and knowing someone is willing to vote you, you should have came out with your master plan a lot sooner.
4) I don't negotiate with people unless I can joint with them or its Lylo and I think it could buy another day. Neither was the case here.

I get it. No hard feelings.
I was out and haven't had the time to properly do this, and I really wanted to turn the tide without having to claim.

Really, I don't hold anything against ya, and I don't expect sympathy. I'm just going through the motions.

I thought I had something moving away from me, so I reeeeeally wanted it to work out. Alas.

[Aristophanes]

I feel your pain. Personally, I hate drawing SK.

Why did you decide to shoot Thor twice?

I knew he was a threat, as a powerful player, a loud player, and one who appeared to scumread me.

He claimed his BP D1, but I shot anyway. With BBT's flip, I knew a second shot would clear (thinking it was his BP which was enabled).

Also, he feigned knowing it was multiball when he claimed we were 1 shot short at the beginning of D2, which was a scumclaim in my eyes.

[Aristophanes]

Damn. Well played, then lol. Too bad you weren't an actual vig.

Much obliged!

[Aristophanes]

Eyyy it's over!
What a Lylo battle!

[Aristophanes]

Lol,that Salt tho!

[Aristophanes]

Haha I love it! XD

[Aristophanes]

SO APPARENTLY THIS GAME HAD A DEADTHREAD AND I WAS NEVER INVITED...

We missed youuuu!!!
Though I just assumed you decided not to post. I think my posts populate most of the thread tbh..

This game seemed to go on for a very long time....

It did. I enjoyed it, but the end dragged!
Actually, I found it dragged a lot after I died. Though that may have been because I was, ya know, dead and all...