Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

[Mirhawk]

VOTE: cleavage only
That's inappropriate for a Zelda game.

You obviously played a different game than me.

Vote: SirCakez

[Mirhawk]

Close, I started with Ocarina.

[Mirhawk]

Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.

-Sensei

/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

[Mirhawk]

Don't like how Beeboy was taking shots from the sidelines in that fight. Looked like he was egging Phoenix on to get more flail.

They've really been arguing over a stupid point that only really matters to the two of them, personally I don't think either of them really looks any better or worse than the other.

Unvote
Vote: Beeboy

[Mirhawk]

/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.

He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.

Yes yes yes

Your post to Radja was a little tryhard.

But that's not really that big a thing, not big enough to ignore beeboy at least.

[Mirhawk]

dafuq

where did those quotes come from?

[Mirhawk]

Serves me right for not previewing I guess.

[Mirhawk]

It may be paranoia but Toogleoo and Xkyfu's votes on Beeboy feel over-justified. Toog's in particular, it looks like he took Bb's iso and found a reason to pick at every single thing he's said. Later when I have time I'll do a bit of meta on Toog to see if this is how he makes cases.

I've made exits from tunnels before in similar ways to the way Phoenix did both as town and scum, so I don't know if its alignment indicative.
His reads list is kinda meh though. Also despite the fact that he generated that list after he unvoted cleavage, he didn't vote for any of the players on it he had labeled as scum.

@phoenix
Why didn't you vote for any of your scumreads?

[Mirhawk]

I'm still suspicious of Beeboy, I'm curious about his response to the pressure from Xky and Toog as well. I'm waiting to see how this develops.

Xky and Toog for the matter are both of standouts as well since they both jumped on Beeboy pretty hard and fast. Of the two I think Toog looks a little worse, but I might be biased because giant posts annoy me.

I'm keeping an eye on Sircakez as well. Post 206 rubs me the wrong way.

Most everyone else is Null.

@Xky
No, but I'm suspicious because you went from having nothing to to say on him to everything he said in the past was suspicious in one post.

[Mirhawk]

Very active.

Beeboy you're obviously here, why the lurking.

[Mirhawk]

I am not following this game at but still showed up within ten minutes of being accused of lurking

[Mirhawk]

@Xky
I never considered that so I didn't go back to check when he made those posts.

Alright.

[Mirhawk]

@Beeboy
What's weird?
If you think you're being strawmanned surely you have reads. What are they?

[Mirhawk]

Also why is Aristo a scumlean for not being a presence so far over Radja who is null?

Second to this. This is what I didn't like about that reads list. We have a few people who don't have high contribution at this point, why is Aristo more scummy than the others?

I still think Beeboy is scum. 97, 103, 108, and 117 are all weakly justified attempts to push the PW wagon. Nothing he's said since then makes me think that that's not the case.

@cookie
do you have anything more solid on Toog?

[Mirhawk]

How are they weak reasons?

How are they not? The sum of the reasons you supply for pushing his wagon was that he was "Terrible" and "Much much worse" than Cleavage.

Not to mention that 103 and 108 are super fake sounding.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah, his V key clearly works, and I have a serious distaste for questions to go unanswered. Hence why I prefer the beeboy lynch over the Cakez lynch, right now.

And if beeboy is trying to soft claim Vigilante, then all the more reason to lynch him.

I would guess he uses more than one device to post. Computer and phone most likely.

He has literally one post. I wasn't aware he was even in the game until the vote count. Seems like he's trying to hide

I was initially thinking this wasn't a big thing since it's not that uncommon to have a flaker at the beginning of the game.
Did a quick check and found out that he is active in places that aren't here.
Total scumlurk.

[Mirhawk]

beeboy (5) - Mirhawk, Toogeloo, Xkyfu, Phoenix Wright, Davsto

@Mirhawk/rest of the game

This look like a wagon on scum to you?

Its So so.

I'm still unsure about toog, and phoenix feels a bit like a vote park.
Dav and Xky feel townish so I'm not worried about them.

[Mirhawk]

I think the townest name on there is Mirhawk but I'm not strong on that and want to talk to him about cakes because he threw a bit of light suspicion there and hasn't really gone anywhere with it since

I distrust cakes but don't really have anything on him. I was intending to go over him in more depth but I haven't had the time.

How so? Beeboy hasn't posted in ages so it's not like we can really grill him right now

Despite how involved you're getting in other arguments you don't seem to be pursuing beeboy or trying to convince others that he's scum.

Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.

In all honesty that's kinda weak. You could make the argument that it's a leading question I guess, but what would it be leading to? A lurker lynch? Fluff posts with no content? I can't see any wagon based off that statement that would go anywhere at all.

[Mirhawk]

So a soft scumclaim to see if there were any takers. I could see that, but only if he was trying to pull heat off an already existing wagon. Otherwise what would be the point.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah I guess that's not quite the right description of it.

I mean that in the context of a light accusation meant to see if any other players will pick up on the wagon and push it for him.

[Mirhawk]

At the time he did it there was no pressure on him.

[Mirhawk]

Should probably stop using softclaim. That would be something else. Soft scumread maybe.

[Mirhawk]

Ah, no I thought we were discussing his post that you had cslled your smoking gun. I just commented on it so I thought you were talking about that.

[Mirhawk]

I don't like Xky liking phoenix's 460 as I view that as a borderline scumpost.

I'm not really feeling bboy anymore as his lack of activity is killing the mood.

When I get home to my pc I'm moving on.

[Mirhawk]

I was going to reread all my scumreads before picking one.

Or I could go with the one that just got ruined.

Unvote
Vote: Toogeloo

[Mirhawk]

Remember a while back when I pointed out that Ari was super fucking active everywhere but here and everyone ignored it?

Hasn't fucking changed you know.

Nine pages ago he stopped in to tell us he's read 12 pages. Its pretty obvious he's not going to catch up, or if he does it won't be till day two. If you're going to shoot him just get it over with, there's not much point in saying you're waiting for a reply from him that he would have to actually read the thread to know you want.

I still want to lynch Toog Titus, but seriously all that shit about whether or not he knew this was a role madness game, and subsequently whether that influenced his decision to claim VT is garbage. There is absolutely no way to tell which of you is right, which makes the whole argument moot.

Beeboys reentry to the game isn't super convincing. His attempt to redirect the kill from Ari is even less so. In 820 he's about as wishy washy as he can be while still actually opposing the vig kill.

[Mirhawk]

I'm thinking that maybe Ari's town and Bboys looking for town points on the flip, but doesn't want to directly engage Cookie or cleavage.

[Mirhawk]

It's not going to, Ari's not going to even find out about it for twenty pages. A policy lynch probably won't go through with this much time left in the day. This is a wasted effort.

[Mirhawk]

I feel like i should acknowledge when I'm being accused of something but that's such a hilariously stupid accusation I don't even know what to say

Lawl

why would you deprive town of the opportunity to discuss one flip before making the second flip am i seriously misunderstanding or.....???

I agree with this. There's not really any benefit in waiting.
There's been plenty of discussion so we'd get post flip associatives regardless of whether you wait for a L-1 wagon or not.
Ironically enough, if you do actually shoot Ari that's pretty much the only way to not get associatives since even if you do get a wagon on him its just going to be made up of people that are pissed off about the lurking. Which is everyone.

WHY IS PW SCUM?!

Sheeps, Fluff posts, OMGUSs.

I'm with Dwlee, that sucks B.

When DOESN'T ari lurk? ~~

When he's in any game other than this one.

[Mirhawk]

The only people who have tried to stop this plan are our scumreads, and I do not find that to be a coincidence. Scum don't want a dual lynch.

Horseshit. At this point less than half the town are voting for Ari.
Also I pointed out Ari's on site activity twice. How are you only noticing it now?

Everyone's justifying potentially voting Ari. They just can't be arsed because it seems like a lot of effort over you literally just shooting him and ending it there, rather than wasting time with this whole "ooh lets get him to L-1 first". You're just being stubborn for no reason, and it's a

huge

fucking pain in the ass.

This

Because scum are accountable for their scumreads. Right now, I have a nagging paranoia that the Ari wagon is 100% town on town and scum are trying to justify not being on the wagon and then attacking everyone who voted it.

I literally just said this about Bboy. Do you even read my posts?

We are not shooting until L minus 1 and a claim happens. That's the protown way to play this.

Horseshit. There is pretty much nothing protown in how this has gone down. This is you holding the town hostage until everyone does what YOU want.

Now Ari claims.

THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!
HE IS CURRENTLY 33 PAGES BEHIND.
HE HAS SHOWN UP ONCE TO READ 12 PAGES.
EVEN IF HE DOES SHOW UP TO PROD DODGE HE'S NOT GOING TO EVEN KNOW YOU WANT HIM TO CLAIM.
STOP IGNORING THIS.

Yeah, I am waiting on a case that focuses on beeboy's play, not his typographical errors.

Is this a general thing or are you only addressing Dav? I've repeatedly made cases for Bboy being scum.

Shiro and I are getting cold feet on shooting Ari given the situation.

What situation?

People trying to rush our dayvig on someone who hasn't claimed while doing everything in their power to avoid having him in claim range. That's a huge red flag Ari is town and they don't want Ari's claim to save him.

Shiro and I are getting cold feet on shooting Ari given the situation.

What situation?

Yea Titus already explained my thoughts.

Like people want Ari dead but they do not want him to claim in L-1 intent range and they are trying to make us kill him before he even claims. This is highly suspicious. Plus look at how easy it was to build the omg let's get Ari, EXACTLY when we started pressing Toog.

This is all very suspiciosu to me

~Shiro

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGH

[Mirhawk]

He's shown up three times in seven days. One was to confirm, one was to prod dodge and one was to actually play the game.

The one time he actually showed up to play he only read twelve pages. He now has three times that many to read to catch up.

He has seven more days to show up and do three times as much reading as he's already done.

He's not going to get replaced either. Because he IS prod dodging.

[Mirhawk]

Then shoot him.

We would get associatives off it and if there is one player we can afford to do without in this setup it would be him anyways.

[Mirhawk]

@Dwlee
Titus pissed Dav off so much he replaced out of the game.

Aside from that, not much.

[Mirhawk]

omfg

Please be real.

[Mirhawk]

Because she's secretly going through an elaborate ruse to have everyone mass claim and doesn't want to shoot town and have it be entirely their fault.

+1

Cleavage is starting to look iffy honestly, starting to lose faith in my too much interaction to be scum read on them.

Bullshit. You're only saying this because Cleavage is calling you scum, and you think you can get away with it because he arguing with Cookie.

PW, That middle post is very townie.

No it isn't.

Vote: Beeboy

Beeboys scum. I'm seeing a lot of agreement on this and not much protesting. You should all just move over to him.

I'm less confident in Xky and Toog, ranking Xky as scummier than Toog, but wouldn't be that surprised by either of them being scum.

pedit
Xky you're not the obvscum. That's B. Your just probably scum.

peditedit
Titus, your reasons for calling PK scum suck. It amounts to "he wont do what I told him to do."

[Mirhawk]

Your wagon has scum on it. Mine does not.

Are you seriously calling Beeboy and Xky town?

[Mirhawk]

Not to put too fine an edge on it, but you SHOULD have shot Toog.

[Mirhawk]

Okay titus let's say toog's scum.
You think scum all jump on a counter and dare defy your will?

Yes, it's possible. Certain, no.

Considering all they have to do is sheep you and murder me, it's quite optimal since I am the one stopping you from lynching town PW, then town Cakes and now town X.

Why would scum pick Cleavage over Cookie if they were looking for someone to sheep? Titus randomly hard scumreads people for not agreeing with her and townreads anyone who does.

[Mirhawk]

Hey Beeboy I've been calling you scum all game and you've never once called me on it. Why not?

[Mirhawk]

Hey Beeboy I've been calling you scum all game and you've never once called me on it. Why not?

Not following this.

Whats not to follow. I haven't even justified my position on you being scum in forever. You just keep pretending I'm not doing it.

Why?

[Mirhawk]

Good game guys.

Shame we lost but right to the end I wasn't sure what way it would go.