Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cleavage only
That's inappropriate for a Zelda game.

[SirCakez]

Cakes are you town?

Yeah man.

[SirCakez]

Cleavage + Legend of Zelda feels like tainting my childhood
Mirhawk what game did you play?

[SirCakez]

Oh you beat me there, my first was Twilight Princess. I still haven't finished Ocarina which I regret highly.

[SirCakez]

Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.

-Sensei

Why are you being so weird?


My first Zelda was twilight princess and the best one is ocarina of time

This is an odd reaction. How is cleavage only being weird?

[SirCakez]

Cleavage is shaking that their was serious even though there was no reason for a serious vote. I didn't do anything suspicious. The other guy who voted me was being weird too, but I saw his post as more of a joke while cleavage seemed to mean what they were saying

They said your RVS vote was lame and disconnected. I'd say that's serious, no?

[SirCakez]

Oh you misinterpreted my post.
I initially asked this

Thank you Radja. For being the single person to acknowledge the only serious vote cast thus far.
This feels like the beginning of a beautiful townblock.

-Sensei

Why are you being so weird?


My first Zelda was twilight princess and the best one is ocarina of time

This is an odd reaction. How is cleavage only being weird?

And then I thought 43 was a response to that.
So then could you answer the post I just quoted now?

[SirCakez]

But why did you initially say they were being so weird? That's the question I initially asked.

[SirCakez]

But why did you initially say they were being so weird? That's the question I initially asked.

I already answered that. They were voting seriously against me without having a reason to. That's weird

This is just going in circles now ugh. Your responses feel town enough for now.

[SirCakez]

Cakes talk to me.
Who's scum?

Not getting any strong vibes as to who's scum right now. Letting you vs Phoenix play out before reassessing it. Toogeloo's early posts were pretty weak so they're nullscum for me right now. More people need to be posting.

[SirCakez]

Really don't like 136. Looks to me like an attempt to try to disengage from the argument when the tide turned against him.
Getting a good town read on cleavage from this argument.

[SirCakez]

What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

[SirCakez]

I see there's a beeboy wagon forming. I've been glazing over his posts honestly, let me ISO him.

[SirCakez]

Beeboy's iso is actually pretty small. Two posts that stuck out to me were 103 and 145. Those were both really awkward. So Beeboy is nullscum for me atm.

[SirCakez]

What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.

He isn't the leading wagon. 2 people just unvoted him. And really don't know what all of you want from me. Of I let my vote on cleavage and kept arguing you'd say that I'm scum because none of you were actually listening to what I was saying. Toogeloo said the exact same things as me in response to cleavage's posts and nobody acted like they were bad points then. And when I unvoted because I realized how suicidal it would be for scum to hard push like that, it was also apparently scummy. So if defending myself is scummy and realizingbtahtbthe person I'm fighting and inviting is scummy what exactly was I supposed to?

This is very flawed. I've seen death tunneling scum who lived to endgame before, making a hard push like this is not suicidal at all. Defending yourself isn't scummy, its the way you tried to stop needing to defend yourself.

[SirCakez]

But that's not what I was trying to do. I know that this is a game where you have to deeply analyze people's posts, but you've all been over analyzing everything I've said for a long time now. There's no hidden agenda, there's no deeper meaning: when I say something I mean exactly what I'm saying. So when I have my reason for unvoting him, I was being genuine. You're seriously trying to tell me that after a mislynch you wouldn't be suspicious of the people who lead that wagon? Maybe you're right and I just don't know how it works. I've only finished one game after all, and it wasn't on this site

Saying it's genuine doesn't make it genuine. Of course we are analyzing your posts a lot, we're suspicious of you.
And yeah you should be suspicious of people who lead a mislynch.

[SirCakez]

If you are town, then he would be leading a mislynch on you. How does that correlate to unvoting him?

[SirCakez]

If you are town, then he would be leading a mislynch on you. How does that correlate to unvoting him?

Because that would make him the most suspicious person on day 2. I already said this like 5 times

So you're basically saying because they're making a hard push they can't be scum? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@cleavage - I'm having a hard time getting reads on people because the thread has been utterly dominated by cleavage vs Phoenix. I'm trying to get engaged but not enough people are posting.

[SirCakez]

If you are town, then he would be leading a mislynch on you. How does that correlate to unvoting him?

Because that would make him the most suspicious person on day 2. I already said this like 5 times

So you're basically saying because they're making a hard push they can't be scum? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@cleavage - I'm having a hard time getting reads on people because the thread has been utterly dominated by cleavage vs Phoenix. I'm trying to get engaged but not enough people are posting.

Wouldn't scum just opportunistically jump on the wagon and make a few comments of agreement every now and then? They want a mislynch, but they don't want to be in the spotlight. Like you said, all the attention is focused on me and cleavage. I don't think scum would want that

This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.

[SirCakez]

This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.

Would you be happier if we gave percentages on our reads? Like, I don't know how anyone else can't see it, but Phoenix is like 97.452% town. That gives me 2.548% of being wrong I guess.

I don't see how this is relevant.

220 is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.

[SirCakez]

Showing up quickly after being accused of lurking is quite scummy. My beeboy read drops further.

[SirCakez]

Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

[SirCakez]

Dwlee why are you still voting Davsto?

220 is an awful vote/post. Definitely liking my Phoenix vote still.

Why?

It's really obvious if you look at the post. Radja wasn't doing anything PW accused him of.

[SirCakez]

Toog is the guy who's been tunneling Beeboy all game and made the weird statistics defense of PW, OK. Didn't think he was especially scummy but he needs to do stuff that's not all Beeboy tunneling.

[SirCakez]

Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,

The entire cleavage vs PW happened in those 100 posts. Yes my read changed as a result. The vote wasn't a response to Davsto being a leading wagon, that was just a side question I asked.

[SirCakez]

God there sure are a lot of words here someone please tell me what to think lol

Vote for cakes.

*slaps*
Get back on PW

[SirCakez]

Something off about this post.
Like, tonally it's coming across like coaching.
Which can be scummy.
But I think it's worse considering cakes is scumreading PW so I'm scratching my head at the motivation for cakes to make sure PW is using what he considers more solid reasoning for his reads.

Missed this. I was explaining why I was scumreading him in response to his questions, this isn't coaching at all.

[SirCakez]

How is there no correct answer to that? He literally popped in, made a comment irrelevant to the actual game state and left. There was definitely stuff he could have commented on but instead he did nothing.

[SirCakez]

???
There were definitely acceptable answers to that question. He never responded though so I can't judge it.

[SirCakez]

@sircakes I just noticed something. You've said that my logic for unvoting cleavage was bad and you've said that you don't like my posts, but you never explained why you don't like them or why you think I'm scum. You just said my posts are bad. That's not really an explanation

Pretty sure I did explain whatever I said was bad. Quote what I didn't explain?

[SirCakez]

@sircakes I just noticed something. You've said that my logic for unvoting cleavage was bad and you've said that you don't like my posts, but you never explained why you don't like them or why you think I'm scum. You just said my posts are bad. That's not really an explanation

Pretty sure I did explain whatever I said was bad. Quote what I didn't explain?

I notice that you didn't deny that you never explained why you think I'm scum.

Did you even read the post?

[SirCakez]

Oh if you want a full case all put together of why I think you're scum I can do that when I get home.

[SirCakez]

Why was there absolutely zero mention of your suspicions until cleavage voted me?
Case coming when I get to a computer later

[SirCakez]

Like this is opportunistic as shit and people are ignoring it.

[SirCakez]

I'm not people?

You're a person, not people. I was referring to everyone else.

Why was there absolutely zero mention of your suspicions until cleavage voted me?
Case coming when I get to a computer later

I was t suspicious until they brought up why they thought you were suspicious. Remember my read list? I said that you didn't make enough of your own points so I had you as null.

P-edit: you running in here as doo as Radja offers you a decent defense is opportunistic as shit

So you're saying you didn't think I was scummy until someone else told you I was scummy?
And that's because he got to it before I did.

[SirCakez]

*pats*
That's basically saying you ignored evidence until someone brought it up so you could push it along someone else.

[SirCakez]

Lol scum flailing

[SirCakez]

And there goes my town read on Dwlee.

[SirCakez]

Ok

[SirCakez]

Questioning =/= scumread.

[SirCakez]

The question was saying, "hey why didn't you comment only anything else?" It was not worded like, "you didn't comment on anything else, you must be scum."

[SirCakez]

You are scum aren't you?

[SirCakez]

I'll have to write the case tomorrow, something came up, apologies.

[SirCakez]

I actually have a terrible town game, I like to think I have a good scum game qq.
I feel like absolute garbage right now from some sort of flu, so that case might get pushed back a little more. This came up at a really bad time, sorry.

[SirCakez]

thanks guys

I actually have a terrible town game

No you don't. You and gale wanted a cop on titus in pyp and I talked you guys out of it. And I changed my read on voided but you stuck to your guns there correctly.
Feel better man.

That's because I had you two talking to me about the game and I was posting very little in the main game. My town game while solo is horrendous. Look at Open 623. I lead three mislynches then was the mislynch in LyLo. Titus can attest. But that's not really super relevant.
I'm feeling a bit better so I dragged myself downstairs. I'll be putting the case together now. Give me a bit.

[SirCakez]

Why I think Phoenix Wright is scum

-His unvote in 136 looks like an attempt to disengage from an argument when the tide turned against him. Deathtunneling does not automatically equal town and it looks like an excuse to try to escape his 1 v 1 with Cleavage. His reasons for unvoting the wagon were flawed and I explained why in a series of posts starting in 195.

-220 is a terrible vote. Radja popped in and started catching up and PW immediately made a vote on him for "agreeing with everyone else" which is not indicative of scum first of all, then as well he was unable to back it up when the point was refuted by Radja.

-His jump on me when Cleavage started pushing me was opportunistic as hell. He made zero mention of being suspicious of me until others began pushing me. This is a running trend throughout his ISO. He is very cautious and makes sure what he does fits with what most of the other players think at the time.

-387 and 390 are flail posts that town wouldn't make. After I refuted his points he instead decided to "stop talking to me" and run away.

[SirCakez]

I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.

Why are people townreading this ugh

[SirCakez]

And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol

Only one of those was after I said I would write my case pretty sure. And you asked why I thought you were scum, you got it.

[SirCakez]

Their V key is broken, toog.

Why was this the only thing you said when you popped in then popped out?

Okay Nahdia maybe this post will convince you because it's what sold me.
This is a leading question. There's no correct answer here. There's nothing prying or trying to get something to figure out dwlees alignment.

It's just the post of a player who was surface scanning the thread looking for things to throw shade on.

It's 100% a scum post.

Vote for cakes.

Here's my smoking gun. (it was on the next page)
It's good.
You're clear to sheep this.

I've already explained this question.
God I hate deathtunnelers

[SirCakez]

That's a pretty weak case. Even if my reason for unvoting is "flawed", it wasn't an attempt to disengage and there's no way that you can prove that. The second thing you mentioned was a misunderstanding which once again I've already said. We've already gone over why your 3rd point is dumb. And that's not what scum flailing means, so yeah. Those are definitely posts that town would make. I was making an obvious point and you weren't listening to me at all. Who wants to argue with a brick wall?

That's why I said it sure looks like an attempt to disengage. Obviously I can't see inside your head but from my viewpoint that's what it looks like.
P-Edit: What posturing?

[SirCakez]

He actually never responded to the question I'm pretty sure.

[SirCakez]

That's how I play yo. Deal with it.
And no I'm not just going to give up and get mislynched. My role is confirmable anyways but I'd rather not claim.

[SirCakez]

That's not what I meant <.<

[SirCakez]

It was in the game advertisement Toog.

[SirCakez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7589445
Says 13p Role Madness. Idk why the OP doesn't.

[SirCakez]

I think my vote is on cakes. They ask me annoying questions.

Why are people townreading this ugh

Cause I'm town. :3

[SirCakez]

I killed my town read on dwlee because "asking stupid questions" is a horrendous reason to vote someone.

[SirCakez]

Sensei I'm going to smack you a lot post game if you're town because you're being an idiot and taking one good question which was ignored and blowing it ridiculously out of proportion.

[SirCakez]

I'm not wavering in my read.
Arguing with death tunnelers is impossible though :/

[SirCakez]

Because Phoenix is scum and doesn't want to take a stance

[SirCakez]

25/28 of your last posts were about me.
You're death tunneling.

[SirCakez]

Phoenix had to be told to vote again, so scummy.
Missed the reads list request, will do that when I get home.

[SirCakez]

Was referring to how you didn't air any suspicions of me until Sensei started his death tunnel on me.

[SirCakez]

No you insulted me then stopped talking to me. So we didn't "go over it".

[SirCakez]

I'm scum.

[SirCakez]

Lol I actually laughed at that.

[SirCakez]

No you insulted me then stopped talking to me. So we didn't "go over it".

I explained it 5 times and you just didn't want to listen. If you're not suspicious of someone and then someone presents evidence against that person, of course you're more likely to become suspicious of that person. There's nothing scummy about that. I told you and that and then you just kept going "Lol so you can't find scum by yourself lol you're so scummy lol"

But it's not like the evidence wasn't already there. Basically Sensei came and said "look this is scummy" and then you were like "yeah that's scummy" with no mention before. It's just pointing out preexisting posts, not creating new evidence.

[SirCakez]

That's because the posts you made during the argument were scummy. The "smoking gun" Sensei called out happened earlier without notice.

[SirCakez]

No because it isn't.

[SirCakez]

Gonna try to dig into some other people now, I'm spinning my tires on PW.
Davsto has a meta of lurking as scum, yeah? Nothing he's said here is really giving me a feeling of town trying to scumhunt or push the game forward.

[SirCakez]

Yea I'm working on that. Trying to look at people I haven't been paying much attention to. Like Davsto.

[SirCakez]

No atm I'm townreading Cookie Bakers, Mirhawk, Nahdia, Radja and you. Then I have Davsto, Toog and Xkfyu as null and then Beeboy, Dwlee and PW as scum. I'm still sorting it out.

[SirCakez]

I completely forgot about Aristo gg. He's nullscum then just from sheer lack of presence.

[SirCakez]

----Top Town Line----
Cookie Bakers
Cleavage Only
Radja
Mirhawk
Nahdia

Davsto, Toog, Xkfyu - Null

Aristophanes
Beeboy
Dwlee99
Phoenix Wright
----Scum Line----


This is where I'm at right now I think.

[SirCakez]

I need to do some reviewing on the three null reads I possess to better sort them but I wanted to get something down.

[SirCakez]

Cross bussing exists Phoenix. And if they just completely flopped and let themselves be lynched it would look fake as hell.

[SirCakez]

And those last 3 points of yours happened after you said you'd write your case against me. So if they hadn't happened, you would only have one point for why you think I'm scum? Lol

This is a good point, and makes me feel like Cakez's scum read was fake to begin with.

UNVOTE: beeboy

VOTE: SirCakez

It wasn't even true, there was only one point that came post-case announcement. This is maximum cherry picking.

[SirCakez]

Cakes what was the point of you calling out dav having a lurking scummeta and not pushing the game forward and all that stuff - just for him to end up in your null pile?
Last minute distancing or something? lol

I need to do some reviewing on the three null reads I possess to better sort them but I wanted to get something down.

[SirCakez]

Like the progression from 556 to 558 was pretty disgusting. Combined with how he cherry picked an invalid post to make up a reason to vote me really not liking Xkfyu.
His reads progression does not look natural throughout his ISO either. Lots of waffling on me in particular and also Davsto.

[SirCakez]

Sensei what are your reads looking like right now?

[SirCakez]

Of course it looks like bussing to you, you're confirmation biasing.
It is a terrible post/vote though.
P-Edit: That's not nice

[SirCakez]

Bakers what do you think of Xkfyu?

[SirCakez]

I'm still waiting for you to explain this gut scum read to me Titus.

Unvote;
Vote: SirCakez

Wow this is another awful naked vote. They can't all be scum but jeez.

[SirCakez]

I'm officially lynchbait? ;-;

[SirCakez]

Oh, and I'm a Vanilla Townie

This game would be classified as role madness. I forgot to put it on signups, but if you would like it added to the OP as a reminder, I can do that.

???

[SirCakez]

I can't tell if he's being serious or not.

[SirCakez]

Toog why do you have eight null reads?

[SirCakez]

^ confirmation biasing.
And I've had six votes on me, PW just unvoted.

[SirCakez]

I'm still waiting for you to explain this gut scum read to me Titus.

Unvote;
Vote: SirCakez

And how are you arguing its been hard to get votes on me with garbage like this?

[SirCakez]

I assumed a tipping point was when a wagon got big enough for everyone to start jumping on.

[SirCakez]

^ confirmation biasing.
And I've had six votes on me, PW just unvoted.

When I unvoted you were at 5.

Six votes total across time. There are five on me currently plus you were voting me before.

[SirCakez]

Sensei you're town reading Beeboy?

[SirCakez]

Who the hell is WKing me? The only one I see town reading me is Titus.

[SirCakez]

I think I may be horribly misinterpreting what a white knight is <.<

[SirCakez]

I thought that was buddying. I always thought white knighting was when some townie is getting wagoned and scum goes in and defends them to gain their favor in reads in the future.

[SirCakez]

Sensei why did you just move your vote so easily after tunneling me for 10+ pages?

[SirCakez]

It sure looked really easy.

[SirCakez]

Yeah Beeboy is still scummy af.
Titus what's your read on Beeboy?
Dwlee what other scumreads do you possess? Your ISO is all "vote SirCakez!".

[SirCakez]

Sensei how would your reads change if I was confirmed town currently?

[SirCakez]

Sensei how would your reads change if I was confirmed town currently?

[SirCakez]

Not really? All of your reads revolve around me being scum so I'd like to see where your head would be at if I wasn't your tunnel currently.

[SirCakez]

Pretty much none of my reads revolve around you being scum outside of maybe nahdia so not sure where you're getting that from?

Nahdia is clearly a special snowflake. That post is bad because it doesn't fucking do anything to progress the game forward and probably looks weird because of her snowflakeyness. She's currently voting scumcakes so we cool for now.

And then you're in an argument with Cookie Bakers since Titus is townreading me and I recall you townreading Beeboy because he was the counterwagon to me,

[SirCakez]

Oops that never happened my bad. Other stuff applies though.

[SirCakez]

It's pretty funny that as soon as we're really close to lynching sir cakez everyone suddenly tries to put the pressure on cleavage lol

Who's pressuring him? He's not even being voted.

{Dwlee99, Cookie Bakers,}

Explain these please.

[SirCakez]

It's pretty funny that as soon as we're really close to lynching sir cakez everyone suddenly tries to put the pressure on cleavage lol

Who's pressuring him? He's not even being voted.

{Dwlee99, Cookie Bakers,}

Explain these please.

The last few pages were just everyone arguing with cleavage and trying to make it seem like their posts suck. Is that not pressure?

That's not pressure, that's just arguing.

CB's claim is way too pro\/able to come from scum and if I am wrong on this they made a pro\/able claim so who really cares?

CB didn't claim....

[SirCakez]

Bakers who else is scum besides Toog? You're spinning your wheels.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Aristo
This should be vigged if he doesn't do anything.

[SirCakez]

PW, Beeboy, Aristo are all good vig shots.

[SirCakez]

PW, Beeboy, Aristo are all good vig shots.

Why is an Ari shot good?

Because he's been useless all game and isn't posting.

[SirCakez]

Don't vig him until he shows up and posts some stuff obviously.

[SirCakez]

Beeboy are you town reading Aristo or something? You're pushing against this wagon for seemingly no reason.

[SirCakez]

Titus you are one-shot?

Why does this matter? I don't see town needing to know how many shots a vig has.

Beeboy are you town reading Aristo or something? You're pushing against this wagon for seemingly no reason.

It's a policy lynch.
On a slot that has done nothing to warrant a read either way.

It won't go to lynch, its aimed to get some content out of the slot.

[SirCakez]

Titus you are one-shot?

Why does this matter? I don't see town needing to know how many shots a vig has.

Cause

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't worry about it. Dayvigs are like $500 an hour prostitutes, extremely rare, but when one actually exists they still blow.

pfffffff
Pretty sure the bakers said their vig is anytime.

[SirCakez]

I made a big case for PW scum a day or so ago and it still applies. Go read it.

[SirCakez]

What do you want me to say about the player that literally has 4 posts to their name?

The only four posts speak for themselves.

[SirCakez]

Yeah have to agree with Titus here on Toog. Would vote them but want Aristo to show up first.

[SirCakez]

I thought Aristo was usually an active player.

[SirCakez]

Why do you guys have to get so angry with each other

[SirCakez]

I don't see the big resistance to the Ari wagon. He still has yet to show up and scumhunt so keeping the pressure on him makes sense. If he doesn't shape up then the Bakers can go to town on him. And I agree with Dav on Beeboy being scum. I'm not sure why people are townreading Beeboy so heavily.

[SirCakez]

Dav you should stay, you're very enjoyable to play with and I'd hate to see you leave over something like this.

[SirCakez]

THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!
HE IS CURRENTLY 33 PAGES BEHIND.
HE HAS SHOWN UP ONCE TO READ 12 PAGES.
EVEN IF HE DOES SHOW UP TO PROD DODGE HE'S NOT GOING TO EVEN KNOW YOU WANT HIM TO CLAIM.
STOP IGNORING THIS.

How do you know he's not going to catch up and/or replace out?

[SirCakez]

That post Sensei quoted was my response to the last seven or so pages btw. Basically a summarized response to people arguing over the Ari wagon.

[SirCakez]

Being threatened with a dayvig/lynch usually makes people do things.

[SirCakez]

Then he'd get dayvigged/lynched and we have a dead scum!

[SirCakez]

I'm voting him right now.....

[SirCakez]

I would be very happy if that was real lol.

[SirCakez]

ffs you fakers

[SirCakez]

You're not paying attention to the person with the most posts in the game?

[SirCakez]

Yes top town read so I skin most of the posts lol.

What the fuck

[SirCakez]

Ari you're being wagoned for doing nothing all game. Read the last 10 pages at least and do something.

[SirCakez]

Ari's claim is weaksauce.

[SirCakez]

The fact you didn't actually say any components of your role and the way you went, "oh my role isn't very good".

[SirCakez]

Yes,I am requesting.

Then I shall oblige!


I have a 1-shot Doublevote, flavoured as "Ace"
I have a 1-shot Roleblock, flavoured as "Thunder"
I have a 1-shot Neighbourizer, flavoured as "Epona"

The latter of the three has a modifier attached as well.

2/3 of these would benefit scum more then town as JOAT shots (doublevote and roleblock)

[SirCakez]

2/3 of these would benefit scum more then town as JOAT shots (doublevote and roleblock)

This is a bad argument that I see scum make quite often.

Outside scum saying it what makes it scummy?

It colours the claim as either untrustworthy or scummy, which is bad as 1) I am town and 2) these roles also help the town when used properly.

It's lightly doubtcasting it without actually calling it scummy.

I do think the claim is untrustworthy and scummy and that's what I was implying. This is pretty bad.

[SirCakez]

It's scummy because it sounds like a scum role, not a town role.

[SirCakez]

It's scummy because it sounds like a scum role, not a town role.

See this is what I'm talking about.
The bloody fuck is a "scum role" these days?

Roleblocker
And Doublevote could be townie but the only purpose I see of a one shot Doublevote is for a scum quickhammer.

[SirCakez]

How would a townie use a one-shot doublevote?

[SirCakez]

How would a townie use a one-shot doublevote?

Depends if it's one shot per day or ever.
My last game I was a septuple-voter and never even used it.

One-shot per ever is what I assume he's claiming.

[SirCakez]

My problem, cakes, is that this is the most enthusiasm you've pushed ANYONE with and it's on the back of terrible reasoning.
It's like saying that my uncle owns a axe, that means he's an axe murderer.

>my PW push

The reasoning is solid. I don't see any holes in it.

[SirCakez]

That read was developing since that terrible unvote in the middle of the argument. The spotlight has just been off of him for a while so I can't get a wagon rolling there again.

[SirCakez]

Aristo is very likely scum. Part of his role conflicts with my role. There's a reason I've been pushing his claim as scummy.

[SirCakez]

So yeah the fact Xkfyu just jumped off of Aristo like that is concerning.

[SirCakez]

Explain please. The right CC means we'll almost certainly be shooting Ari. Which part conflicts?

He's claiming 1-shot Neighborizer as part of his JOAT. But I'm a Neighborizer and I don't buy there being two town Neighborizers. That's what I meant when I said my claim was confirmable earlier.
My role has other elements to it that I won't reveal yet.

[SirCakez]

Exactly it's a weird overlap. Maybe I could have bought it but the other two one-shots he claimed both look like scum-aligned abilities.

[SirCakez]

Explain please. The right CC means we'll almost certainly be shooting Ari. Which part conflicts?

He's claiming 1-shot Neighborizer as part of his JOAT. But I'm a Neighborizer and I don't buy there being two town Neighborizers. That's what I meant when I said my claim was confirmable earlier.
My role has other elements to it that I won't reveal yet.

Well next time, maybe you should lead with that instead of some bogus reasoning about the other two powers.

I was trying to avoid hard claiming <.<

[SirCakez]

So uh why has the Aristo wagon dissipated then?

[SirCakez]

You should go ahead and shoot Ari Titus.

[SirCakez]

I'd lynch Toog if Ari is shot.

[SirCakez]

Get rid of Ari before Toog IMO.

[SirCakez]

Yay. Let's see the flip.
I may want to also lynch Xkfyu after Toog.

[SirCakez]

He didn't say the Neighborizer was player specific.

[SirCakez]

No it makes sense now how the roles could coexist since his Neighborizer is very specific while I can neighborize anyone.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Toog

[SirCakez]

Xkfyu, Toog, Dwlee, Beeboy all good votes. PW is kind of slipping as a scumread for me, he's shaped up.
P-Edit: I'm Saria

[SirCakez]

The ability isn't flavored.

[SirCakez]

Bakers why are you townreading PK?

[SirCakez]

Right now

Clevage Sircakes Pisskop Us all hard townread each other. Getting a cohesive group going can make scum winning impossible. Going to what we want and just what we want undermines the four of us working together.

This sounds like you were townreading him :/

[SirCakez]

PW is kind of slipping as a scumread for me, he's shaped up.

How so?
Has he posted at all since you had him as your top scum read?

Yeah he has a few times. It's more so that now he's just far less scummy then other people.

[SirCakez]

Xk and Toog are both scumbutts ugh

[SirCakez]

If Sircakez CCed neighborizer, why wouldn't we lynch him? You really think that the town has 2 of them? What did Xfkyu say while j was gone that was scummy?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sircakez

This is terrible, look at Ari's rolecard.

[SirCakez]

Xk and Toog are both scumbutts ugh

How's that?

Waffling, doubt casting, opportunism etc
P-Edit: Beeboy has to go also

[SirCakez]

If Sircakez CCed neighborizer, why wouldn't we lynch him? You really think that the town has 2 of them? What did Xfkyu say while j was gone that was scummy?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sircakez

This is terrible, look at Ari's rolecard.

Nothing terrible about. I saw it. It was exactly what he said it was. So I don't see why we would have 2 people who could do that. I think you lied

Read the Neighborizer part and come back. He mentioned nothing about only being to neighborize one specific person.

[SirCakez]

He said 1 shot. I assumed that meant 1 person

Wtf
In what world do you assume 1-shot Neighborize = neighborize only able to target one person?

[SirCakez]

Waffling, doubt casting, opportunism etc

^ that's why Xk has to go. Toog claimed VT in Role Madness.

[SirCakez]

Bakers aren't you guys scumreading Beeboy though?

[SirCakez]

PK are you townreading Toog or something?
P-Edit: Yeah I called that readslist out earlier.

[SirCakez]

Who do you propose as an alternative?

[SirCakez]

Oh Xk then. Yeah I want him lynched too but I also want Toog lynched ugh.

[SirCakez]

Dwlee, Toog, Xkfyu, Beeboy

This is my lynch pool atm. Is anyone townreading anyone in this pool?

[SirCakez]

Cakes look at your lynchpool. Look at the wagon on toog. Then search your heart.

T-T
So bussing and/or at least one of those is wrong. I'll let it develop.

[SirCakez]

I'll be back in a bit.

[SirCakez]

Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch
If Toog flips town we lynch Xk tomorrow for sure. If he flips scum then PK or Beeboy maybe.

[SirCakez]

Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch
If Toog flips town we lynch Xk tomorrow for sure. If he flips scum then PK or Beeboy maybe.

Why me, and not you, if Toog flips town?

Why would I lynch myself....

[SirCakez]

Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch
If Toog flips town we lynch Xk tomorrow for sure. If he flips scum then PK or Beeboy maybe.

Why me, and not you, if Toog flips town?

Why would I lynch myself....

Right, but what about everyone else?

I don't understand what you're asking. I put my high scumreads at the front of my lynch pool.

[SirCakez]

Why would you not fruit vend at least once? It would softconfirm you and the chances of muddying a Tracker/Watcher results are fairly low.
Also claiming VT earlier when you knew it was role madness and knew people would be suspicious was really silly.

[SirCakez]

I will self hammer if I reach L-1.

Wtf

[SirCakez]

Also claiming VT earlier when you knew it was role madness and knew people would be suspicious was really silly.

Nah, I actually debated just sticking with my VT claim until my inevitable death, but I didn't want people to be like, "why the fuck did he claim VT and not Fruit?"

It was because half the reason people were suspicious was because VT is literally impossible in this setup.

[SirCakez]

VT is literally impossible in this setup.

I watched a game where people tried to lynch a player for actively trying to run the mod up.

Thats not really good logic.

That's wtf but I don't see how these are related.

[SirCakez]

Sry. What makes a person claiming VT in a game where VTs cant exist dfferent than trying to lynch the mod for half a day?

Both are not alignment indicative, neither can be true, I dont get it.

The claim here was serious, I doubt the player was seriously trying to lynch the mod.

Why would you not fruit vend at least once? It would softconfirm you and the chances of muddying a Tracker/Watcher results are fairly low.

In a game full of PRs, why take the chance at all of messing with someone's results? I'd actually laugh my ass off if I had sent a mask to someone who got killed by a Ninja and watched by a Watcher. Odds are low, sure, but there is literally no reason to tempt fate with a False Positive at all.

It would softconfirm you as a Fruit Vendor

[SirCakez]

Has there been a Mafia Fruit Vendor before?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Beeboy

[SirCakez]

The last time I saw someone specifically say someone looked like a third party they were a third party themselves. So yeah that post from Xk was pretty susp.

[SirCakez]

My issue with Toog is Fruit Vendor is soft confirmable <.<

[SirCakez]

The last time I saw someone specifically say someone looked like a third party they were a third party themselves. So yeah that post from Xk was pretty susp.

Because one guy did something one time, I'm now "pretty suspicious?"

No because scum hunt third parties as an out.
@Titus - I've never seen a mafia fruit vendor before.

[SirCakez]

I will come back to this game later, a big game just started off site that I'm concentrating on.
@Xk the post you made implies you were.

[SirCakez]

Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch
If Toog flips town we lynch Xk tomorrow for sure. If he flips scum then PK or Beeboy maybe.

Why me, and not you, if Toog flips town?

Why would I lynch myself....

Right, but what about everyone else?

I don't understand what you're asking. I put my high scumreads at the front of my lynch pool.

You seem to expect me to be lynched if Toog flips town. What I'm asking is, since you and I are both basically in the same situation, what makes you think everyone else is going to prefer to lynch me over you?

Cakez, not that I've clarified what I was asking, can you please answer?

Because my role and the general consensus of the thread have caused a shift away from my being lynched. And you have been quite scummy.

[SirCakez]

Obviously not. Especially Cakez, who is trying to line up my lynch in the event of Toog flipping town.

I was saying if we didn't lynch toog then we should lynch you.

[SirCakez]

Obviously not. Especially Cakez, who is trying to line up my lynch in the event of Toog flipping town.

I was saying if we didn't lynch toog then we should lynch you.

Maybe the first line was you saying that. Certainly not the bit in bold.

Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch

If Toog flips town we lynch Xk tomorrow for sure.

If he flips scum then PK or Beeboy maybe.

They both apply.

[SirCakez]

Because I did say something else, but I also said I wanted to lymch you tomorrow if Toog flipped town.

[SirCakez]

I'm pretty sure at least one of Toog/Xk is scum.

[SirCakez]

Associations, the way they've interacted, how Toog voted Xk, etc.

[SirCakez]

Associations, the way they've interacted, how Toog voted Xk, etc.

Alternate Timeline?

Whoops, I meant how Xk voted Toog.

[SirCakez]

Yes that's what I mean. I'm not saying it was a bad vote.

[SirCakez]

Yes that's what I mean. I'm not saying it was a bad vote.

Then what are you actually saying? That I'm scum for making a good vote?

I don't understand your reasoning for wanting me lynched if Toog flips town.

Its your associations with Toog, that vote was just part of it.
Zelda is a pretty townie flavor claim, idk now.

[SirCakez]

You honestly think this is breakable by flavor?

I mean, Link was the dayvig so its possible. At least for main characters I'd think.

[SirCakez]

After reading through all that, beeboy is probably town. His claim is backed up by the Cookie Bakers and I don't think Zelda would be a fakeclaim.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dwlee
This has gone coasting by the whole game and it needs pressure.

[SirCakez]

Phantom who are your scumreads besides toog?

[SirCakez]

Dwlee wagon is good. He's done fuck all all game to scumhunt and has been coasting. This will get him to do something or die. And the way he reacted to being wagoned was not townie.
Xk's vote was pretty absurdly scummy though.