Micro 590: RETURN OF THE CARD CZAR [GAME OVER]

[Ircher]

{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}

@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.

Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).

@Blue
I bet you're lying.

[Fire Starter]

We were out of rvs so why put us back in?

[Fire Starter]

We were out of rvs, so you putting me to L-1 is serious. In a game that could potentially have 4 scum roles, mislynching is a serious fuck up.

[BlueTrin]

We were out of rvs, so you putting me to L-1 is serious. In a game that could potentially have 4 scum roles, mislynching is a serious fuck up.

I'll unvote you although I counted 3 votes: maybe I miscounted (on the phone)

UNVOTE: FS

[BlueTrin]

{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}

@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.

Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).

@Blue
I bet you're lying.

I am not lying: I don't know what to say about this one. The only logical reasons I see for your statement are that you are either trying to set me up for future attacks or you got another modifier like loved (or can you be hated as well in this setup ? I am not sure)

[SarasaKat]

{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}

@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.

Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).

@Blue
I bet you're lying.

I am not lying: I don't know what to say about this one. The only logical reasons I see for your statement are that you are either trying to set me up for future attacks or you got another modifier like loved (or can you be hated as well in this setup ? I am not sure)

Out of curiosity, how would a loved/hated modifier explain it?

@Ircher Just flat out saying "welp your lying" without any evidence to back it up is suspect. If you're going to FOS someone, you need reasons.

[BlueTrin]

{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}
{BlueTrin}

@Ranger
Explain your sudden scumread of me.

Considering the DayVig thing was an obvious joke, it should be quite obvious that my initial vote of FS was RVS (though it's serious now cuz of the weird reaction I got).

@Blue
I bet you're lying.

I am not lying: I don't know what to say about this one. The only logical reasons I see for your statement are that you are either trying to set me up for future attacks or you got another modifier like loved (or can you be hated as well in this setup ? I am not sure)

Out of curiosity, how would a loved/hated modifier explain it?

@Ircher Just flat out saying "welp your lying" without any evidence to back it up is suspect. If you're going to FOS someone, you need reasons.

I was tempted to ask why before to write what I wrote to get answers from Ircher but it is simple: I explained why Maestro said it would take not 5 votes to vote some of us.

If Ircher had as well a modifier, he could think: Maestro said this for me, not for Blue, therefore Blue is lying.

So I suspected he could have a modifier as well. The other possibilities are that he just does not like me or he is setting me up so that future attacks on me looks OK as I am a on easy target or he is just testing my reaction.

Personally I don't see the benefit of lying about this modifier as it will never plays in my benefit that people think I am hated ? Did I miss something ? As soon as you hammer me, if I was lying you would see it and call me out ? Also being hated means that I need to die before LyLo for us to win.

[SarasaKat]

But what if you both had the same modifier? Him having it wouldn't rule you out as having it, would it?

I don't see much motivation for lying about Hated/Loved, either. Saying you're loved would lynch you where you'd claim you're at L-1, and hated would mean you need to get lynched before LYLO soo.

[BlueTrin]

But what if you both had the same modifier? Him having it wouldn't rule you out as having it, would it?

I don't see much motivation for lying about Hated/Loved, either. Saying you're loved would lynch you where you'd claim you're at L-1, and hated would mean you need to get lynched before LYLO soo.

I don't know the answer to your first question, I only read the rules of the game fairly quickly, I'll check tomorrow.

[Ranger]

Explain your sudden scumread of me.

That would be thanks to your sudden push on Fire Starter.

{Fire Starter, Persivul}
{lane, Lowell}
{Aristophanes}
{BlueTrin}
{SarasaKat, Ircher}

[SarasaKat]

OOH THOSE ARE READS.

Three questions:
1) I'd like to know why you're sus of me as well.
2) I thought you just said Blue was town. Putting Blue that close to your scummiest slot wouldn't be what I call town, unless you think Ircher and I are the only two scum in this game.
3) I never got why you said so confidently that Blue was town, but then you have this so I'm not sure what to think anymore. What's been your thought process regarding him these past few posts?

[Ranger]

1) I'd like to know why you're sus of me as well.

I wasn't fond of 6.

Your content since then hasn't made me think you're particularly town, either.

2) I thought you just said Blue was town.

I did, and then BlueTrin went and made me less certain once again.

[SarasaKat]

My RVS? Wut lol. That stage's completely random, not sure how you can make a list of allignments from random votes

[Ranger]

Neither do most people, and yet, here I am!

[Persivul]

Also being hated means that I need to die before LyLo for us to win.

Yep, so if you're town, outing yourself was a really bad move.

[lane0168]

Also being hated means that I need to die before LyLo for us to win.

Yep, so if you're town, outing yourself was a really bad move.

It was...

Why out yourself when now the only way you'll die, is if we lynch you. You're hated, so we're forced to lynch you even if we don't scum read you with no chance of the scum killing you. Before there was actually a chance you'd be killed by scum.

No knowing when Lylo is, blue might have to be the lynch today. Just makes sense to get him out of here.

However fire starter I think deserves my vote still.

[lane0168]

Ranger, can you explain why fire is top of your list? I'll see if I can explain later why hes at the bottom of mine.

[lane0168]

We were out of rvs, so you putting me to L-1 is serious. In a game that could potentially have 4 scum roles, mislynching is a serious fuck up.

So you agree we should lynch blue today?

[BlueTrin]

I'll reply when I am back from work but I didn't want to wake up lynched cutting the first day short because people would put me at L-1.

I am town but I know that Ranger is good so he must have not liked something on me and also FS would put a vote. The logical conclusion would have been to put me at L-1 except I would have been lynched.

Even the Wiki itself said it is debatable whether you should say it ...

[Fire Starter]

FS you assume that I didn't get 3 or more town cards, I need only two for my alignment and two for my roles.

I'm not saying you didn't get 3 town roles, as that happens often, but in combination with the role you threw out I'm saying that it's unlikely for you to have picked town roles.

Similarly you have a big chance to have had 3 scum cards and you felt the need to claim that you are the most towny player.

Incorrect. You had a bigger chance at having scum cards than me because I threw one away

entirely

. I didn't feel the need to claim being towny, I felt that it was obvious to everyone except you.

I am not sure if you were trying to fish for town PRs to assassinate during the night in addition to claim being townie.

Why would I fish for PRs? Let's say I'm scum and we're not partners. Then I know you to be town or some third party or something. You threw out a fairly good town role, which says two things to me: 1) you're scum and/or 2) you have a better choice of PR's. Either which way, I would make you the NK. There is no sense in me pushing you today as you would claim a powerful role and avoid a lynch. The reason I was pushing you is because I'm

not

scum. I want to lynch them and I can't kill at night. So this is my only way to make this happen.

What does FoS mean ?

You can vote, this would not result in a quick lynch ?

FoS is Finger of Suspicion. It's essentially placing a vote without actually doing so. Helpful in situations like LyLo and stuff.
I could vote, but what if you're town? Scum could easily hop on board while I'm gone and lynch you. I wanted to discuss things first.

[Fire Starter]

So you agree we should lynch blue today?

No. Blue is town. I was pushing him because he's a newer player and I was hoping that if he was indeed scum that he would slip under constant pressure. But overall, his tone is completely different in the last game we played in which we were scum together. He seems more collected and not playing the "I'm a newb" card anymore. I don't like that he outed that he is Hated, as that would give him an excuse to live to the end of the game without dying, but I don't think Blue!scum would have thought of that.

However:
VOTE: Ircher
I still want answers to my questions I asked you Ircher.

[lane0168]

Fire starter. Can you link me to the great idea games you've played?

[lane0168]

I only see one. Are you an alt?

[lane0168]

I'm not following you being self declared town whatsoever

[lane0168]

Sorry. Obvi town