Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

[Tails]

(arguably, Turtles' double vote is, but it's not nightkillable)

Why isn't Turtles nkable?

[Radical Rat]

Thank you, Mr. Mafia

UNVOTE:

I still don't like Soren, but that's the first solid post from Not_Mafia all game.

i really disagree, but i've already explained why. i'm surprised you're fine with that, and aren't wondering why Not_Mafia's "first solid post" was made to defend Soren of all people.

I didn't say I agreed with him. I've already made my position quite clear. Anti-Town is Anti-Town.

However, I AM happy to see Not_Mafia actually playing the game. That's what that post was about.

[Tails]

I want to talk to the Pirates. Bring in the Pirates!

[A Real Scourge]

a double voter could possibly spell trouble to scum, but i don't think scum would be worried about eliminating a PR like that one! just saying that garmr and Turtles' abilities weren't super threatening, so scum would have reason to be more worried about Barn possibly claiming a good role.
like.. if Turtles was at L-1, and he claimed double voter, would you stop the lynch just for that?

[Tails]

Okie. Your logic still sucks.

[A Real Scourge]

I didn't say I agreed with him. I've already made my position quite clear. Anti-Town is Anti-Town.

However, I AM happy to see Not_Mafia actually playing the game. That's what that post was about.

i dunno, it sounded like you really liked the post. that usually means agreement!

but you're right that Not_Mafia is playing now, and that's good.

tails why is the Soren wagon yicky? do you have a strong case for Kain being scum? because he's super mislynchable honestly and i cannot figure out how to read him when all his weird behaviour is just how he plays all the time.

[A Real Scourge]

Okie. Your logic still sucks.

yeah, that's helpful. at least Not_Mafia is having a conversation with me about it.
i don't think i said anything wrong. if you think i did, point it out, don't just throw out a blanket statement like that, when your vote is honestly really lazy too. as lazy as the Not_Mafia vote from Nick that you hated, actually.

[Radical Rat]

I don't know about that.

A double voter means scum could be lynched faster. It also means Town could be lynched faster, but I'd say it ultimately depends on if scum feels confident in their ability to direct that dual vote.

My guess is that as soon as Turtles gets a scum lynched, or close to it, they'll die that night.

[Phoenix Wright]

I don't know about that.

A double voter means scum could be lynched faster. It also means Town could be lynched faster, but I'd say it ultimately depends on if scum feels confident in their ability to direct that dual vote.

My guess is that as soon as Turtles gets a scum lynched, or close to it, they'll die that night.

There always the possibility that they didn't kill Turtles because Turtles is one of them

[Radical Rat]

Doesn't giving scum a double voter seem kind of.... Unbalanced?

[Not_Mafia]

Radical Rat?

Rat who be thinkin he's radical but only because the scurvy be warping his brains*

[Radical Rat]

I will say that I love Kagami's name for me.

Not so much its implications. But I do love that name.

[A Real Scourge]

the point of what i was saying was that neither of garmr or Turtles' roles were ones that could stop a lynch at L-1 like a doctor or cop claim could have. that's all. this whole conversation has kind of spiralled from there.

when i said Turtles wasn't nightkillable, i was saying that it wasn't a super powerful role. i worded it badly, evidently.

[Phoenix Wright]

Doesn't giving scum a double voter seem kind of.... Unbalanced?

*shrugs* I don't know how this stuff works

[Tails]

tails why is the Soren wagon yicky?

A super quick wagon builds up based on super easily pushable BS. The wagon is easy for scum to push, and given that it built up really quickly, chances are they did. Everyone is forgetting that Barn had ample opportunity to claim but didn't. They're instead focusing on Soren's hammer, which is bad, but not scum indicative. Soren's response to you also is not scum indicative. In fact, it points in the opposite direction. Scum would be pandering to you, not telling you to go screw yourself. There's just no benefit to scum Soren for any of these moves.

do you have a strong case for Kain being scum? because he's super mislynchable honestly and i cannot figure out how to read him when all his weird behaviour is just how he plays all the time.

I have a few things that I think point in that direction. Is it super strong? No. But it's stronger than the Soren case.

[A Real Scourge]

you can balance almost any role, Sonic. make the double-vote not work in lylo, make it X-shot... or, possibly, give a town player the ability to stop a lynch?
i'm not saying Turtles is scum because of that, but i've been told to expect all sorts of things in these games.

[Not_Mafia]

Should Turtles double hammer today?

[Tails]

To be fair, Scourge, I really expected more from you when dealing with the Soren situation. Your handling of it seems lazy.

[A Real Scourge]

tails why is the Soren wagon yicky?

A super quick wagon builds up based on super easily pushable BS. The wagon is easy for scum to push, and given that it built up really quickly, chances are they did. Everyone is forgetting that Barn had ample opportunity to claim but didn't. They're instead focusing on Soren's hammer, which is bad, but not scum indicative. Soren's response to you also is not scum indicative. In fact, it points in the opposite direction. Scum would be pandering to you, not telling you to go screw yourself. There's just no benefit to scum Soren for any of these moves.

do you have a strong case for Kain being scum? because he's super mislynchable honestly and i cannot figure out how to read him when all his weird behaviour is just how he plays all the time.

I have a few things that I think point in that direction. Is it super strong? No. But it's stronger than the Soren case.

i disagree with you about the hammer, but your case for why Soren's response to me isn't scummy is actually valid. i'll think about it and see what Soren says when he gets back.

is Kain the most suspicious person to jump on the Soren wagon, then?
can you tell us about your Kain case?

[Tails]

I'll tell you more later after I talk to the pirate. I will say that his vote history is horrible.

[Tails]

However, if you want a suspicious vote on the Soren wagon, look at Sonic.

[Radical Rat]

Hm. I just thought giving Scum both the NK and greater lynch influence would be a bit on the unfair side of things.

Though you do have a point with stopping a lynch there.

[A Real Scourge]

To be fair, Scourge, I really expected more from you when dealing with the Soren situation. Your handling of it seems lazy.

sorry you're disappointed in me. i'm deeply angry at myself for betraying your good opinion, i'll try to do better.
how does all my arguing look lazy to you? actually, i'm only a bit insulted, because you're insinuating that i haven't been trying... which i really obviously have. even if you disagree, don't call it lazy.

i'm pushing Soren and drawing conclusions from it. i haven't liked what he's done and you disagree. don't call me lazy.

[A Real Scourge]

However, if you want a suspicious vote on the Soren wagon, look at Sonic.

i agree with that.

[Radical Rat]

I don't.