Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[ActionDan]

Maybe Italy will actually be strong and if Tunis/Naples/Rome/Venice and maybe honorary Trieste Ally.

[ActionDan]

/in

[ActionDan]

Mediterranean Agreement Between Peoples

current members:

1. Extrapolated Eagle (Greece)
2. Animorpherv (Spain)
3. Zulfy (Naples)
4. ActionDan (Rome)
5. Aronis (Tunis)
6. Mist7676 (Marseilles)

Proposition 1

I propose all members of the group must come to the defense of any member that gets attacked.

Rome votes Yes
YES - Naples/Greece/Marseilles/Rome
NO -
Standing - Passed

Proposition 2

I also think once a majority is reached all members should move forward with that proposition regardless of their opinion.

Rome votes Yes
YES - Greece/Marseilles/Rome
NO - Naples
Standing - 3/6 4 to pass

Proposition 3

The other proposition is that the alliance stays open to any Mediterranean countries until the end of this phase and at the end of this phase we close it with the only way in being through invitation or request, both having to be agreed upon by a majority beforehand

Rome votes Yes
YES - Greece/Marseilles/Naples/Rome
NO -
Standing - Passed

Proposition 4

A proposition needs a unanimous yes-vote to pass

Rome votes No
YES - Naples
NO - Marseilles/Rome
UNDECIDED - Greece
Standing - 1/6 4 to pass

Proposition 5

We collectively lament Naples not building a fleet T_T

[ActionDan]

From the looks of it, Bulgaria and Rumania are completely done for after an attack by Sevestapol/Ankara/Smy/Con which I assume will happen

[ActionDan]

Where are our people?

Hi.

So btw Med alliance, we're doing the plan

F Tun - Ion
and F Tun C A Nap - Albania right? Seems like the only way to make progress

[ActionDan]

@OGML Mun and Bella Vie - You seem concerned with your north more than the south. I'm open to keeping it that way.

You should still probably head to Tyr. No downsides really.

pedit:

All armies and fleets have the same power, only their movement capabilities differ. As it stands now, Spain can't just take over portugal in a 1on1 clash. Besides Portugal is important to halt any infiltration by the brits if they are so inclined

[ActionDan]

ITT Shadoweh pretending not to move to the Black sea while Smy takes the Aegean to deliver a 3-pronged attack on Bul with Con?

[ActionDan]

the only thing you really need to do is sit tight for this phase

[ActionDan]

Hey, you three

Join the MABP yea?

Oh hey, we're vying for the same thing.

Could we make an accord? I would be willing to give a lot of things to watch Russia fall.

agreed. There's no way we'd ever help the northern front in their descent anyway. But, uh, maybe help change OMGL's stance on Venice moving to Tyr? It's kinda the only way out of Italy. There's at least Tyr--> Boh --> Sil

[ActionDan]

that's correct

[ActionDan]

I'd rather you support the low countries so everyone doesn't get overrun than Venice nabbing Munich. It won't help anyone and incur german wrath. so.

[ActionDan]

I mean I guess if Mun were to move to sil that won't happen anyway.

Well I'll leave it to Venice to decide for himself. But your other suggestion of Turning on Mar is not going to happen in any universe

[ActionDan]

I am moving to Apulia unless one of my Italian partners has need of me?

seems good

[ActionDan]

@anybody in my alliance:

what should I be doing? Is conquering north africa an okay move?

Heading to the Ionian Sea is 100% the right play.

[ActionDan]

Tunis and Spain could also tag-team portugal.

Or maybe Spain could honor the unspoken but heavily implied terms of the SpanFran Alliance in which we don't cross attack.

don't worry, he has no choice but to do that

[ActionDan]

you guys are having so much fun. I'm just the heart of an empire

[ActionDan]

While this is a bit short notice, I'd kinda like to make this a formal proposition for our alliance, since both the german and Austrian conglomerates are advancing, and a lot of us are bottlenecked.

With Mist moving to Pie, I think this increases the need for

Prop 6:
A Ven - Tyr

Yes: Rome
No:

1/9

It's not the biggest deal, but it's nice to have breathing room

[ActionDan]

Aronis T_T

[ActionDan]

K guys we'll be stuck in Italy for about the next 4 years

[ActionDan]

Actually, PrivateI can act as a ferry to albania if he moves to the adriatic

[ActionDan]

@anyone in my alliance: is there anything specific I should do this round?

The last time I gave you advice, you went in the complete opposite direction. Now it's pointless to go back.

Tunisian fleet should make it's way the direction of other players so it can have an impact on the game. Preferably towards Greece.

It would take 2 actions to go the Ionian, and by then it wouldn't influence anything. It might as well continue to MAO while Portugal's fleet continues to NAO or similar.

Animorph should move to Gascony for the potential of a bounce in Mar since Ruh-->Bur is coming.

Private should move to Adr sea

Pabs should move to Tyr with Mist supporting

Shadoweh can take care of herself and Smy should move to the aegean (which I was surprised didn't happen last phase)

[ActionDan]

Hey Trieste/PrivateI, if you want to make some hay this turn I suggest you order your fleet into Venice

In case it wasn't obvious, this plan is terrible considering I or Zulfy could just bounce off you, and you'd be attacked immediately next year with a good chance of success.

[ActionDan]

in fact me and zulfy are going to do just that, so literally OGML is just pandering

[ActionDan]

If all Tri moving toward Ven accomplishes is tying up you and Dan for another round, great. You won't have the position necessary to threaten Tri the following turn.

We're already tied up honestly, all it would do is make Tri a target, and it's closer than other territories anyway. We actually do have position to significantly threaten Tri in the fall of next year actually.

Re: Portugal. I really don't think it's in the alliance's best interest to take portugal. We can vote, but it's fleet is already in a good position and Ani doesn't have the time to take it over imo, and the moves MAO - NAO and Naf - MAO are very natural

[ActionDan]

Proposition 7

A Spain -> Portugal
F Naf Supports A Spain -> Portugal

VOTE: Yes

Yes: Naples
No:
Not voting: Greece, Spain, Rome, Tunis, Marseilles, Smyrna, Ankara, Venice.

Rome votes

No

On account of the support move being illegal and that I think Portugals position is fine as is.

[ActionDan]

but it seems we're both headed for an early exit because of ??? reasons

It's a dog eat dog world out there

[ActionDan]

ActionDan are you moving to Ven? If so, that means you'd take over the supply center if you don't bounce back - I trust you, but you can see how if Tri doesn't move to Ven, that will make me uneasy. Especially because this is based on what OGML is saying and not PrivateI, whom I've heard as both in and out of the MedAGree.

Whether PrivateI moves in won't matter, because the idea is that me AND Zulfy moves in, bouncing off each other.

Orders would look like this

A Rom - Ven
A Apu - Ven

Since each has a strength of 1, they'd bounce and go back to Rom and Apu respectively. This is a common defensive tactic to control 3 territories with 2 armies

[ActionDan]

mist, you should really think about abandoning the MedAgree altogether. That alliance leaves you in a very exposed position in regards to the rest of us in central Europe.

What exactly is her alternative? Wait out the game in Mar for fear of Ani. That's counterproductive to both of them. It's obvious you're simply fearful of a Venetian army advancing next to your territory. And when it does, it's completely possible (and honestly more than probable) that it ignores you entirely.

It's still better for mist to Support Ven - Tyr

[ActionDan]

Proposition 8

Even though Portugal does not border a Mediterranean tile, they will be invited into the MedAgree.

Yes: Naples, Spain, Rome
No:
Not voting: Greece, Tunis, Marseilles, Smyrna, Ankara, Venice
5 to pass or fail.

3/9

Tbh @re: greece, this would not have happened had aronis followed instructions. Nothing to do about it now (Unless Con and Shadoweh support him into Bulgaria

[ActionDan]

I am moving to Venice on the assumption that Rome is also moving to Venice and we will bounce off.

Correct

[ActionDan]

Isn't it maybe better to take Paris with mist. I don't follow the state of the northern alliances up there tho.

I'm mostly smirking about omgl's backstab

[ActionDan]

My suggestion this round is for cheery to move to sil, pabs to move to Bohemia and Norway to attack Berlin. It's likely this way that one of those 3 moves succeeds.

Also Zulfy probably should move into venice this turn to prepare to move to Tyr or possibly pie if pabs is denied access

[ActionDan]

And yet. Nothing bad came of venice moving tyr. Admittedly it would have been better the previous year, as the threat of invasion of munich (which I truly would not have supported at the time, I was thinking Vienna by far the better target) would have kept you at bay, I think.

Ani also doesn't have anything to fear if you can read people correctly. Portugal should be embarrassed at moving back though

[ActionDan]

I'll dicuss more in depth plans after builds

[ActionDan]

Yes yes,

Fear the might of Italy's trapped armies!

For Venice has moved a whole one space!

[ActionDan]

You can't Serbia will cut support

[ActionDan]

N

, what's your plan? You went to Ruhr, but then you came back to Kiel. You're right next to my home, so I kinda want to know what you're thinking here ^_^

I was going to move onto (forgot its name now) but then a few other people near me replaced out so I changed my order to protect Kiel because I didn't know how new people would act.

Pretty good move considering OMGL stabbed his other neighbor, and will probably double attack you too if he can get away with it

[ActionDan]

Perhaps we let Ani take Brest and STD takes both Holland and Belgium?

Yes please, that way mist can move to Bur

[ActionDan]

Perhaps we let Ani take Brest and STD takes both Holland and Belgium?

Yes please, that way mist can move to Bur

No one agreed to this. Defender should be the one to move to BUR.

@ani- please wait till fall to move into brest in case something happens that stops our expansion

Defender can go to Picardy, or just hold. Ani should go to Brest since its impossible for anything to actually stop you

Zulfy, how are you still on rome taking Venice?

Action Dan can direct my move this turn

One of us should attempt to move through it. I honestly prefer zulfy but it doesn't matter that much.
As for your move, it will be to Bohemia or Vienna, I'd flip a coin to decide. The important thing is to free up Tyr for the army that moves through Venice.

Agreeing with

Random

there and confirming my order of Army Norway to Belgium.
Working together is fun, lets get 'erm beers and chocolates. Belgium here we come

STD ought to move into Belgium if you want to make progress.

Agreeing with

Random

there and confirming my order of Army Norway to Belgium.
Working together is fun, lets get 'erm beers and chocolates. Belgium here we come

Does anybody actually think letting Gale have a third center is a good idea? Is he just going to hand it over to STD? (Or was it ani who is supposed to take control of these places?)

My armies are either going to support each other in holding, or support N in kiel holding.

That's clearly not what you'll do.

[ActionDan]

So what am I supposed to be doing this round?

Move to Bur. The northern alliance can send Def to bounce but it doesn't help them at all considering the purpose of your move would be to harass and potentially capture Munich

[ActionDan]

We don't need the help in Germany and Defender can do everything you would be doing in BUR.

Will he though?

I don't want to have to struggle to get people from another alliance to coordinate with a future attack on german soil. Random's role is obvious enough, but it's not like Def. in Bur will attack in Munich, instead of say, moving to Ruhr.

Bur is also not "northern territory" considering that's it's one space away from Mar as well as Paris,

and lastly, I'm not sure any one of you realizes that Brest is not the biggest concession because despite the amount of fleets in the area, none of them could possibly stop an invasion of Paris in two moves by Ani and Mist

[ActionDan]

I wanna get the ramifications of either italian heading into venice clear.

Missed this. There's almost no difference. But one of us should support the other in. I've already sent the A Rom S A Apu - Ven Pm in already. I could change it

[ActionDan]

We don't need the help in Germany

To be clear, if either Mist/Pabs/possibly me/Zulfy don't get a slice of German Pie, we'll go from poised to attack to poised to defend.

[ActionDan]

My current plans are to move back to Moscow and take back STP in the fall (Assuming you're cool with that Gale)

That is unless anyone has any spring/fall plans they need my help with

You'll need cheery to move to Livonia and support taking StP back. Can't do it 1v1.

It obviously won't be allowed to be taken back either. I suggest moving to Galatcia.

Aww fish nuggets.

STD you can still bounce ani's move into Brest this round and take the center in the fall. You're playing for yourself and yourself alone, this is Diplomacy. You don't have to weaken yourself at the behest of your alliance.

Dan's ultimatum that the MedAgree should be allowed to surround Paris because they can try to take Paris anyway if they want to is bad. Upper France can and should defend itself by bouncing a MedAgree army away and having STD build an army instead of a fleet once he captures a territory.

Exactly how can a northern alliance stop A Gas S A Mar - Bur / A Mar - Bur / F Por - MAO and A Bur/Gas - Par / A Gas/Bur S A Bur/Gas - Par (with F MAO doing w.e)?

[ActionDan]

I mean unless you help them, but that'd be foolish

[ActionDan]

As for your move [pabs], it will be to Bohemia or Vienna, I'd flip a coin to decide. The important thing is to free up Tyr for the army that moves through Venice.

After some more consideration, make it random between Munich, Bohemia, or Vienna

[ActionDan]

As for your move [pabs], it will be to Bohemia or Vienna, I'd flip a coin to decide. The important thing is to free up Tyr for the army that moves through Venice.

After some more consideration, make it random between Munich, Bohemia, or Vienna

Just take it by ear and pay attention to posts like ^

[ActionDan]

I'd sooner see D3f take Bur than mist, I'd be willing to support that move from Mun

I'm sure you'd rather see them bounce.

Anyway if Def. moves to Bur, Ani can take Paris and then move to Bre if necessary, that way, everyone wins!

[ActionDan]

I'd assume either Aronis or he should go into MAO with one supporting the other.

[ActionDan]

People should really be communicating more in general tho. Like Ani and Mist should be taking to each other. Etc.

Anyway I'm going to relax and play fallout 4

[ActionDan]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow.

[ActionDan]

honestly this game.

Might as well just host a regular diplomacy game. I dunno.

It's gone to shit

[ActionDan]

I have no idea what Pabs was doing there

[ActionDan]

Ok stabby-stabby backstabberson

[ActionDan]

Probably going to the ionian --> adriatic, because at this point PrivateI is not playing the game (in this thread anyway), so we might as well take Trieste sooner or later pending his input. The ionian isn't a bad place to be in any case.

I'm staying put unitl I see a clear path north, which may take a while at this rate. I assume Flum will update Pabs' order. Pending that Zulfy will move to Tyr if it's not occupied, or else might have to move to Pie to avoid taking Venice.

p-edit: they abandoned the game (belgium + holland) and gale can't help but backstab people for $$.

[ActionDan]

Dan you are getting on Aronis correct?

I don't get this question? I could possibly convoy to albania or something using aronis once he's in the ionian/adriatic if that's what you mean

[ActionDan]

p-edit: gale can't help but backstab people for $$.

Thats not true Action Dan, you need to read up to understand.

Yeah, no I read. You're an unabashed backstabber

[ActionDan]

Gale's moves will be supporting a hold order in StP. It's profitable to do that to hold russian moves at bay.

Random would you consider attacking Berlin with the expectation you'd gain it in the following year following a munich take-over this year?

[ActionDan]

Crap Defender didn't move into GAS... now we have no way to pressure Medagree for being so aggressive. Whats worse, Mist still managed to get into Bul without support.

Check the moves - D3f supported mist's army from Mar. Which might turn out to have been actual suicide.

Yeah, I don't understand why he did that? But he did!

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

That works for me.

Snakes is just going to cut support

[ActionDan]

As I suspected.

Sorry I couldn't say a word, or it'd have been a 50-50

[ActionDan]

I apologize for JDGA's allies being not altogether here on multiple levels

[ActionDan]

Nyalite, I'm sure I don't have to ask, but I hope you'll enter the Ionian in the spring to keep Aronis in check.

For your part Aronis, It would do a lot of good for you to move back to Tunis preferably or at least out of your current position. If Italy has to cede naples, I promise it will be to Hyalite.

p-edit: That's absolutely what we'd do

[ActionDan]

fleet is superior I think. Army would solely be to help take Paris, but then it'd be sorta useless. A fleet could post to the Western Med, for example

[ActionDan]

I'm going to take Kiel this turn. Apparently I should have done it last turn.

Was 100% sure that was gonna happen.

[ActionDan]

because naples might be left too vulnerable. despite my defense its still in a precarious situation.

[ActionDan]

He had the opportunity to not play shitty moves like moving to Naf. He even had the opportunity to move to MAO, or be greedy and stab spain.

Vassals should know their place

[ActionDan]

I understand where you're coming from.. but that won't stop his bloodlust.

p-edit: I'm not making a dig at ani there. I'm just saying it was an option for him. A cold-blooded one, but an option that made sense none the less

[ActionDan]

It's just telling that the emperor considers aronis stabbing ani in spain acceptable, but trying to stab zulfy in the Italian mainland brings out the fire and brimstone (and force lightning)

It would have been met with the same ire. though there'd be very little anyone could have done about it.

Atm there are effective ways to "deal" with it now on some level though as Aronis admits. I look forward to seeing what will happen

p-edit: That's something to decide once Munich is Zulfy's and settled. A lot of things can happen in a year!

[ActionDan]

He's just saying Aronis could have been a more effective betrayer.
Tunis is really far out, it's inconvenient for anyone to try and take. I almost regret not choosing it myself.

Don't worry, there's a saying:

Whomever controls the black sea, controls the world

[ActionDan]

ofc the option for us of double teaming Vienna ---> Trieste in that order is something for us to consider as well.

[ActionDan]

, if you could support Greece into Bulgaria

Unless you want to see Aronis take over Italy with a 75% success rate, he'll need to help out. I can only promise him Tunis after a fleet is built in Italy though, but that's a good territory to take I think.

[ActionDan]

If you take Mun Zulfy has a 75% chance of outright being eliminated.

[ActionDan]

are you moving to the Ionian?

[ActionDan]

technically yes, but I don't know if OGML will actually let you hold in Munich in the fall. I mean maybe if N attacks Kiel from Ruhr after he retreats there

[ActionDan]

Also in many scenarios you'll be giving up Venice to Zulfy, if you're ok with that. I mean it works, 100% guaranteed defense actually, but it would require OGML to be true to his word. Ofc, He can't easily get Kiel without giving up Munich anyway so.

[ActionDan]

Can I get a condensed "What's Nyalite doing?" with his fleet in Greece.

[ActionDan]

I'll just assume she isn't coming then

[ActionDan]

Welp time for good old fashioned WIFOM

[ActionDan]

Was there something else you thought I should do? Might have missed you mentioning me.

Move to the Ionian and Tunis will eventually be yours in 2 years

[ActionDan]

It mostly just hurts to see my allies (including Nyalite) not really knowing what to do and also get played at the same time.

But what can you do as JDGA said.

[ActionDan]

Anyway go ahead and eliminate drench

[ActionDan]

Bella and Mario - if you both input orders to move to bud you will bounce off each other and prevent radja from threatening the space, thus ensuring Mario retains it and gains Trieste to get a build.

There's a clever counter.

Ofc I highly doubt Radja is capable of figuring it out

[ActionDan]

if N changes his mind I am prepared to sacrifice myself for pablito.

Medagree forever.

The best Plan to deal with OGML is this:

Move to Berlin and have Cherry support you. N attacks Kiel

Pablito flips a coin on whether to attack Vienna or Munich

[ActionDan]

holding on for dear life

[ActionDan]

Loki should make a random move between supporting the attack or moving to NAO or the irish sea

[ActionDan]

Mist is also quite obviously a natural ally as she cuts off the east as you expand north. Taking Belgium was always not a feasible idea.

(Also the chance of you getting Breast is 0)

[ActionDan]

Remember Radja, you have the option to support one of them, to avoid the bounce

[ActionDan]

The best plan for who? Definitely not for the Russians, who pretty clearly marched west with the intention of taking some of my land for themselves, not to help divvy it among the Italians. And certainly not for pablito, who has no guarantee of surviving that coin flip.

It actually is the best for everyone.

any other plan and you'll maintain 2 territories. For example cheery attacking Berlin with Zulfy supporting. You simply cut support with Kiel. And nothing gets accomplished. At least the other way you have a chance of going to one territory making a swap by overwhelming the last one with Pabs/Zulfy/N depending on who survives easier, and giving Cheery Berlin after. Since that's clearly the conditional (which will have no choice but to be met)

Also Pablito doesn't have a better chance of taking anything this turn.

Suggestions welcome though!

[ActionDan]

Although there is a defense. So maybe Pablito should just attack Vienna and let Cheery attack Berlin with Zulfy support

[ActionDan]

And I'm not doomed just yet. For example Nyalite could still enter the Ionian Spring of next year by building a fleet in Greece. PrivateI could move to Apu. There's even potentially another option which is super unlikely to happen and depends on Radja entirely

[ActionDan]

Also PrivateI, you should move to attack Trieste

[ActionDan]

@PrivateI, if you come to venice I might be able to set you up with some awesome real estate in rome if you help end AD's reign of terror

His fleet can't contribute to attacking or supporting an attack on Rome

[ActionDan]

Unfortunately Pablito will never be able to get Munich no matter what.

OGML has a defense for every coordination between N/Zulfy/Cheery/Pablito which protects Munich from pablito moving in.

[ActionDan]

That's why it's best to attack Vienna.

[ActionDan]

Ya don't.

There is a way to prevent N from dying though.

The following moves:

A Mun S A Den - Kiel
A Den - Kiel and
A Pru - Berlin

will guarantee N surviving.

I'd probably do these.

[ActionDan]

I still want to support pablito into Mun from Ber. That is how pablito takes Mun. But it requires cheery and zulfy cooperating and zulfy willingly dying for his Italian bro. He did indicate he was willing when I first proposed that plan.

There's absolutely no way you'd do this.

[ActionDan]

that's why it isn't written that way

[ActionDan]

he always will. no matter what any two of Zulfy/N/you double attack, the other of Kiel/Berlin moves to Munich and bounces with him

[ActionDan]

pabltio is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and I'm his only lifeline. And I'm willing to help him because he's been by far the most reasonable and approachable MedAgree member. I'm hoping once he's settled into Mun and no longer holds any Italian land he'll consider himself a rightful member of Germandinavia.

There is nothing stopping you from bouncing with him there and retaining 3 supply.

p-edit: holland is not here though right?

[ActionDan]

Pablito has a life line in Vienna.

Or if PrivateI successfully moves back into Trieste (

Do this btw

), Venice is retained.

p-edit: O I see, from Berlin? Let me think it over again.

[ActionDan]

yeah, but that's the only way it could work out - as OGML can just cut Zulfy's support

Alright,

There's the simple

A Den - Kiel
A Mun - Kiel
A Pru - Berlin

Cuts any attempt at support

[ActionDan]

One of OGML supply centres will be guarateed to go if I support Zulfy to Berlin though. (and N attacks Kiel)

No because he'll retain Mun and Kiel and:

A Kiel S F Nth - Den is not cut by A Den - Kiel because a territory does not affect any territory that supports its dislodgment

[ActionDan]

At the moment I'm going to Kiel on the assumption that N will support me.

This could work. N will survive. You may not after A Berlin - Mun and A Kiel S A Berlin - Mun, with OMGL feeding TBO to the wolves though.

(which is why it's complete folly for TBO to attack denmark when he can guarantee a supply in Norway with help

[ActionDan]

I appreciate the kind words

[ActionDan]

I will move back to Denmark then.

You are not getting it.

[ActionDan]

(And OGML knows you aren't, so that "German assistance and friendship" is a little worthless when you're dead and gon.)

[ActionDan]

Vote: MAO SUP A GAS -> BRE

I support this being a perfectly valid move. (there's also bouncing with the irish sea, and moving to NAO. They accomplish different things but all help indirectly capture Brest).

[ActionDan]

One of the two would get disrupted

Your attack wouldn't cut support since you get dislodged in Mun.

Things change drastically if TBO doesn't attack N,

AND HE SHOULDN'T BECAUSE N WILL ALWAYS SURVIVE

[ActionDan]

Okay Dan so what's the end thing here?
I've changed my action like 7 times already, what's the last thing I should change it to?

Attack Kiel

[ActionDan]

Nvm. It wasn't you. It was Dan that coerced you into doing a move that you willingly knew would doom me. Ogml laid out oUT clear but you both still chose that.

I think it's rather poor form of you to be sanctimoniousness when not only would Zulfy be eliminated if this plan successful but also would be able to be exploited by OGML

There were also other avenues for survival that you didn't exactly comment on.

[ActionDan]

This is the result of people acting against their best interests

[ActionDan]

blame TBO

[ActionDan]

Goodbye Snakes, hello Fall Year 4's despise of d3f3nd3r.

[ActionDan]

I honestly feel like that provision was rather counter to the game mechanics tbh.

[ActionDan]

Can't blame OGML here really. TBO should have just resolutely tried to negotiate with Random/TheBreeze since that was always guaranteed. It's just difficult to pierce OGML's constant chatter in the thread.

[ActionDan]

the funny part is that Matt isn't actually in danger from Germany/British alliance either way. So it's up to him to chose a side. I think he has more to gain from going against germany in the long term tbh, cutting support in Kiel etc, ensuring a brit goes to nth. Siding with Germany is safe too, but you'll act as a buffer zone while Germany freely expands. Up to you.

After Defender disbands I suggest Mist moves on Germany and Ani builds a fleet to go south to defend against Aronis. Another army just doesn't accomplish anything.

[ActionDan]

you would have gotten a center

[ActionDan]

whose? Bella's, the person OGML just appealed to? or his own, something that I'd be doubtful he'd give

[ActionDan]

Why not have Portugal support you into Brest, Ani?

Because then d3f3nd3r enters Spain and I'm in the exact same issue, because Mist has no army to sit where I am right now.

Fleets can go into Gascony because it borders an ocean. So do you want my fleet to move to Gascony and my Army to support you into Brest?

Mist, you can only move to a place that borders your coast, so you can't go to Gascony from Marseilles.

Yup, so come on down to the gulf of Lyon, the water's warm and welcoming

[ActionDan]

Nyalite should toss a coin on whether she moves to the Ionian or albania

[ActionDan]

Ani, would you be opposed to me jumping into Spain to get to Gascony?

This is also Impossible.

You'd be on Spain's South Coast (SC), as Portugal separates the 2. You could go to MAO, but not gascony.

[ActionDan]

so don't take this as a surprise

Don't worry I'm well aware of players' idiosyncrasies

[ActionDan]

Private I, would you consider coming to Apu? We're both about to die (independently) in very short order unless OMGL Bella and mario combined choose to not attack us (for example it requires omgl to both sup port maRio and cUT bella in vienna). I'm gonna to be supporting you into there anyway should you choose to come

[ActionDan]

The moment brest is taken, it won't be able to be retaken. It will be a stalemate there. Omgl is right, it's better to reorganize and let it go

[ActionDan]

The north looks like a diaster in the making. Just not sure for who

[ActionDan]

I think you may have caught on Dan, but I purely just didn't want to do coinflipping.

When I saw your language I had to check back to see what I had said to you, and just couldn't believe that your reaction would be THAT huge (Also extolling Aronis to be the literal Jesus was hard to swallow as well).

Still I wasn't really sure what was going to happen even though the alternate plan was also questionable so I just sorta acknowledged it and let it go.

Anyway, this is a pleasant surprise. I'm going to sleep but I'll try to think over plans tomorrow.

Good job!

[ActionDan]

DeathNote... I'd rather be your friend than your enemy, but if you fight Midget I'll be your enemy.

What's he supposed to do, allow Great Britain to be swarmed by Midget, who you just suggested contest the north sea? I'd propose Ani/Mist act as a shield against germany, and the brits as one against Midget. Pivotal is the north sea, which if taken by midget will allow him to swarm you faster than you expect. I dunno what Matt plans to do, but he's got to know that helping Midget won't get him a supply center and that Ani + Mist have enough power to push back Germany.

As for Italy, it's important that The_Breeze attack Vienna/Budapest again, and Mario won't have any reason to cede Trieste simply to move to Venice. Whether or not Aronis goes to 1 or stays at 2 supply, there's a couple of ways to ensure him going to 1 or being eliminated in a 2-year time frame

[ActionDan]

I think every way involves Nyalite taking Tunis, and it doesn't matter too much whether either me or privateI invade Naples with the other supporting.

[ActionDan]

Uh, no.

He can retreat into it if he needs to. There's no good reason to give Trieste freely to Bella, his aggressor. And I'm not predisposed to help Bella just because he's friendly with Radja (who I'm neutral with anyway) if it compromises Italy's security. I can however, promise to support Mario holding in Trieste if there's ever a unit on Venice (something you obviously had no intention of doing when you promised to move to Tyr to help Mario last season)

[ActionDan]

I said ages ago I would rather not attack GB. They are the aggressors here.
Matt, confirm if you are moving to North Sea?

Then what do you plan to do?

Attack Russia?
Attack Germany?
Sit and wait?

As far as I can tell, you've said you wouldn't do either of the first 2, and the other option is not pragmatic. Maybe clearly laying out your game plan would induce some confidence that you mean no harm

[ActionDan]

PrivateI, Venice is in serious danger and if things go poorly this fall you could be left without a supply center. You aiding the MedAgree assures them of only one thing: ActionDan's survival. My forces are more than prepared to hold Naples if you and ActionDan really think you can just overpower me this round and take it. However, I am more than willing to work together and let you conquer Naples in exchange for you allowing me to capture Rome. This would provide you an opportunity to have 1-2 supply centers depending on the state of venice and a somewhat high likelyhood to also gain Rome next year. So the choice is yours, look out for yourself and gain more territory or risk death helping actiondan. Just know that I will be launching an all out attack on rome and leaving Naples wide open.

Is your proposal...

Something that we'd do anyway? (i.e, F Apu - Nap, A Rom S F Apu - Nap)

[ActionDan]

Wait, what am I being asked to do? I'm so confused. xD.

By Aronis, I have no idea.

By me, choose either

F Apu - Nap
or
F Apu S A Rom - Nap.

I have no preference. if you go to naples, either I'll be pushed back to Venice, and you'll get naples, or we don't move. If I go to Naples, Aronis has the choice of staying in Naples, or basically swapping with me. No matter what, he'll lose Tunis

[ActionDan]

Mario... get out of that mess! If Russia is not attacking me, I'll move to Tyr to then support you into Ven.

Mario why would you listen to OGML or care about his opinion here?

He's pretty obviously gunning to try to keep Italy in discord for as long as possible

[ActionDan]

Also I can assure you that should it become apparent you want to move there, I'll bounce you, and if Bella moves in, you'll guarantee your own elimination.

I might suggest coordinating an attack with the_Breeze if you don't trust Bella.

Also any thought of taking Rom by next year is a complete joke. By then Nyalite's fleets will be swarming his remaining supply center, and you'd be doomed soon after. So think carefully what choice you make.

[ActionDan]

Dan, your diplogic isn't quite correct; moving to Venice guarantees that I survive the turn.

Not if I bounce you there, and Bella attacks you without her support getting cut. You cannot retreat there even if it's empty if there was a standoff in Venice.

As I said before, taking Venice will be at your own risk. And if you truly want to work with Bella and the_Breeze, I hardly see much plans in this thread between you 3, besides maybe the vaguest and non-binding of intentions.

[ActionDan]

I've been making suggestions to Mario for his continued survival/ability to fight back.

Based on a lie that you'd enter Tyr. You didn't. And your suggestions in this season aren't in his best interests, period.

[ActionDan]

PrivateI, move into Naples. I think that will work best.

[ActionDan]

Dan, true enough, I did not move to Tyr like I said. I'm glad you're paying close enough attention to what I say I'll do that you didn't warn the French MedAgree territories they were in the process of leaving Bur open for the round in your role as the strategy guru of your alliance. And since you would suffer the same fate if you bounce ven and get dislodged, I'm guessing you're still just trying to talk Mario off of it so you can move there. But Mario has a better chance at survival even if you bounce than you do.

1) Your Army in Bur is not a threat to any of them, I think the only appreciable thing it might do is delay mist moving out of Mar. Nor did I consider it when I thought you'd enter Tyr.

2) Yes, I'm trying to talk Mario out of moving into Venice because we'd lose a supply, and for what? because the fear is high that both Bella attacks with a strength of 2, I move into the center to deny the retreat, and that Bella isn't disturbed by Breeze. That's a lot of conditionals.

[ActionDan]

Also if Mario does take Venice, he'll be crushed in short order by Nyalite and Private I. Like if Aronis captures Rome and I'm eliminated, first Aronis will fall, then fleet's will be coming up the adriatic in short order. If venice is retained however, I can guarantee my support to him.

And lastly, you keep trying to suggest I'm purely a survivalist, but honestly I care more about keeping my allies intact this game.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: MAO HOLD

Vote: Mao Support A Brest hold

The technically better order.

Maximum efficiency!

[ActionDan]

Long live the Alliance!

[ActionDan]

This game actually looks like a game now