Micro 590: RETURN OF THE CARD CZAR [GAME OVER]

[Persivul]

Are the discards up? I don't see them.

VOTE: Ranger

Oh shi--- knew I forgot something...
~M

[Persivul]

Same question to persivul. You gave away a two shot governor? That is so good though.

It's fantastic as scum. It's meh as town. I'd like to think that as a participating member of town, we're not going to get to a point where I would want to use it anyway.

[Persivul]

Also being hated means that I need to die before LyLo for us to win.

Yep, so if you're town, outing yourself was a really bad move.

[Persivul]

Hated is just your modifier. What's your role? Maybe we can work something out for a day.

[Persivul]

But I also believe that lane was quick to decide to lynch me very early in the day. I still find this suspicious.

Lane dislikes playing scum. With 5 cards to choose from he likely was able to get town.

[Persivul]

Please explain the votes on me.

Well, when a Mommy vote and a Daddy vote are very much in love...

[Persivul]

No, its 5 to lynch and Pers and Ranger seem to scumread me heavily.

WTF are you talking about? I don't even know who the fuck you are.

[Persivul]

Yeah, we need clarification on that. If this is true plurality and all phases go full length, I'm leaving. That will get boring really fast.

[Persivul]

I've read the thread but haven't ISO'd. Here's where I am:

Lane and Ranger look town. in my experience they each prefer playing town to scum, their discards are consistent with that, nothing in their play has pinged me, and I largely agree with Ranger's reads.

Blue - I suppose as a Hated we have to lynch him today, but we're holding off to continue to get reads - is that correct?

FS - lean town - playing well and discard supports it, although not nearly as much as he seems to think.

Lowell, Ari - null, haven't done much.

Sarasa, Ircher - scummy, but really my eyes were glazing over as I read their posts.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Ircher

I believe that's L-1.

[Persivul]

He was a Loving Werewolf Bloodhound One-shot King

Huh? There isn't a king, there's a kingmaker, and it wouldn't be combined with bloodhound, as that would be two roles.

[Persivul]

My cards were:

Mafia Goon
Vigilante
Two-shot governor
Seer
Bloodhound

Alignment: Mafia goon, Seer
Role: Bloodhound, Vigilante
Discard: Two-shot Governor
Modifier: Two-shot

Result: The one I wanted least: Town Two-shot vigilante

Ranger seems town so I sheeped her and vigged SarasaKat last night. At least with the lover it took out one scum.

Lane can call my shot tonight. Otherwise I'll just sheep Ranger again. I'm too busy with work to really study the game.

[Persivul]

Lol. Crazy night. Well my reads were way off

What are your reads now?

[Persivul]

Proposed: Lynch Fire, vig Blue. Or vice versa.

[Persivul]

Well, personally, that sounds terrible. It might have something to do with the fact that I
Town but who knows.

Thought process?

So who then?

[Persivul]

Role: Underdog, serial killer
Power: Watcher, mafia janitor.
Result: Underdog Watcher.
No modifier

Really wanted ircher to be scum.

Wouldn't that have made you scum?

[Persivul]

Role and alignment changes are reflected in flips. My posts are accurate.

Maybe that means there's a kingmaker who made him king, but then he died. BUT...that doesn't explain the 1-shot modifier before king.

[Persivul]

What are the chances this is lylo? Since there was only one scum kill it's unlikely that there's two scum factions. The King role indicates that Blue is a kingmaker, and unless he was strongly town reading Ari (we need to check that), he's probably WW.

[Persivul]

Seriously? If he enforces this(be merciful) this could fucked us 100%

Why? He's already dead. If he's turned to neutral survivor that doesn't hurt us.

[Persivul]

Blue did not have a strong town read on Ari. So, if the rest of us are telling the truth about our cards, Blue's a WW kingmaker.

[Persivul]

If he does that them we're fine, but it also says an action that harms the faction. Modkilled would be better for sure though. I panicked.

I didn't see the harms the faction language. Typically only the modkilled person is affected, not their faction. Guess we'll see.

See, I can't really talk to you about lylo and stuff because I think you're scum. In which case there ARE two factions. Otherwise no one would have kinged Aristophanes. Blue was scum reading him hard, so to me that doesnt make sense unless Aristophanes was going to be biased hard.

I voted the most scum-read person and vigged the next most scum-read person. I could have claimed that I vigged Ari and Sarasa was the collateral damage, but I'm being honest about it. OTOH you have Blue, who conveniently claimed Hated.

[Persivul]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the suicide.

I don't think he has claimed yet. Will be interesting to see if he claims kingmaker or not.

[Persivul]

{Fire Starter, Ranger}
{}
{Aristophanes, SarasaKat, Persivul, }
{lane0168, Lowell}
{Ircher}

Notes:

• Ari has not posted much
  
• I believe that Ranger and FS genuinely tried to find whether I am scum.
  
• SarasaKat, you saty that Ranger changed his opinion about me: my opinion is that town will usually change their opinion because we do not know who is scum, therefore we will engage in an investigation process to determine who is scum. This is what FS and Ranger have been doing.
  
• Also this is why I didn't like lane post: instead of investigating whether I am just scum, he just asked if everybody was ok to lynch me, which is nearly the same thing but with a different tone.
  
• Persivul gave a slight defense on Lane, can be genuine or not but should be kept for later.
  
• I don't like Ircher reaction as well: it is way too early for a reaction like his
  
• If anyone feels like I shall be lynched as it looks like there would be more scum than town, tell me, I will even hammer myself if needed
  
• Lowell wants to finish the day quickly as well: I am a bit surprised, in the other games, people want to use as much time as they can every day, is this because you are all much more experienced ?

This is the post I didn't like too much, even if he is flailing, why shouldn't use the time to make Ari talk for example ? Also Lowell, your ISO is a bit empty for now.

hadn't even read just above my post. Eh, this is awful flailing from ircher. textbook "ugh I'm mad you're voting me for no reason without letting me explain it's so unfair i'm taking my ball and going home."
It's over. Let's end it for this guy. worry about sara or whoever tomorrow.

Ari, let's hear more from you now, Ircher consider that my vote is on you for now.
VOTE: Aristophanes

FS, Ranger, should I state my intent to hammer ?

I have a vote on Ari only to get him to speak at the moment.

Classic distancing.

[Persivul]

Good catch. Is there any way Ari could have been made bloodhound D1 or N1 without having the card? I don't think so. I double checked my roles PM and I definitely got bloodhound.

VOTE: Fire Starter

[Persivul]

It's not my fault maestro does everything weird.
UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

BTW happy birthday lane.

[Persivul]

Yes join date.

[Persivul]

So massclaiming was pretty pointless. We could have said anything. Guess I should have read the rules.

[Persivul]

Just going by the numbers, there's more mafia cards than vig cards. But, that's pretty simplistic analysis, and his VT theory didn't pan out either. I'm a two-shot town vig and I killed Sarasa last night. My vote and kill were for two of the biggest scum reads yesterday.

Now that we know the loved/hated don't apply in lylo:

VOTE: Blue

[Persivul]

I'm voting him because I think he's scummy.

[Persivul]

Can there be Mafia AND werewolves at the same time ?

Yes.

Is this why we have two factional kills at night ?

No. I'm a vig and I shot sarasa. That doesn't rule out two factions (a kill could have been stopped by RB, doc etc), but we've accounted for both kills last night.

Still at work but I am surprised that nobody is wondering more about the number of kills we will have tonight ?

Probably two as I have another shot and an itchy trigger finger.

[Persivul]

I'll give you my cards

Yes please do.

[Persivul]

What action did you take last night?

And why didn't you even vote for Lowell yesterday?

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

[Persivul]

Ranger and Lane are frequent N1 kill targets...

[Persivul]

No, Lane typically gets killed because he's obvtown and so he's never going to be lynched.

[Persivul]

Nope, I was just sheeping Ranger because I suck at reads, and particularly D1. When I scum hunt hard D1 I usually just get in the way of people who are better at it than me.

[Persivul]

If Persivul did not point this out, he is scum.

First, you greatly overestimate my memory.

Second, IIRC he didn't get a survivor card and choose survivor with gladiator. He had a lyncher card, but now that his target was NK'd he converted to survivor. For a good player lyncher/gladiator is a great combo. I asked Blue what his night action was, thinking it should have been gladiating his target. He said he thought of that but backed off. I actually believe his claims at this point.

Like you I'm also finding FS to be townie. His suspicion of me feels actual, not forced. That leaves me in the unfortunate position of PoEing to you and Lane. But, Lane doesn't seem like the type to go to the length of making up the underdog thing.

VOTE: Ranger

[Persivul]

He admits to a killing role. The odds of that role being town compared to scum is around 1 in 20. Then why did he kill SarasaKat when we all scumread her? Because he was trying to eliminate the other factions if any.

And why wouldn't I simply let the most lynchable player live to be lynched today?

[Persivul]

Id like to vote BlueTrin too though. Throw 2 votes and see if we're in Lylo.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Since he's claiming survivor status now anyway there's no harm if he's lynched, and scum frequently cut deals with survivors in end game, so survivors are dangerous to town. So:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BlueTrin

UNVOTE:

If we're not in mylo/lylo, he was just lynched and phase is over. If he isn't lynched, then we know we're in mylo or lylo.

[Persivul]

^ Assuming he's telling the truth about being hated.

[Persivul]

mod please give a vc when you can so if it's not a lynch we positively know that. Thanks!

[Persivul]

I was gonna say let's put 3 votes on ranger and check that for a lie, but this works, ranger wouldn't get lynched today if loved. Couldn't convince fs to vote

I have a vig shot left. Hopefully there's not an RB. But if she's scum I'd think she was a kingmaker aligned with Ari.

[Persivul]

I was gonna say let's put 3 votes on ranger and check that for a lie, but this works, ranger wouldn't get lynched today if loved. Couldn't convince fs to vote

Although really, as she claimed loved, we can put two votes on her. Then, FS has no town reason not to vote and unvote as I just did to test the claim.

[Persivul]

No, that doesn't work - disregard the last post.

[Persivul]

I kinda actually think Persivul is scum of some kind that shot as if town, and lane is also scum of some kind, but that they are not tied together as the same alignment.
If they were, then BlueTrin would have been lynched already and we would have lost.

See ranger isn't thinking about hardly anything,

Yeah, we both respect her town play. Saying we're scum of different alignments, but neither of us NK'd her last night, is pretty far-fetched.

[Persivul]

Wow, I suck. I think it's time I quit this game.

Nice job FS!

[Persivul]

Discussion with quadz is ongoing.

@Persivul, Ircher, Lowell, SarasaKat: let me know if you all would like to play in another run.

Last time a mod requested a rematch that I know of it was denied, but if you can get it I'll play.

In the meantime, there's a Diffusion of Power game in the Open queue if yins are interested.