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Post Post #1153  (isolation #200)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:09 am

In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

And vapor, ice and water are all very different but are still made of H2O. All of those ideologies are liberal in nature. Now they are vastly different ideologies yes, but that are similar and from the same spectrum.
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Post Post #1157  (isolation #201)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:22 am

In post 1156, Davsto wrote:
In post 1154, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

And vapor, ice and water are all very different but are still made of H2O. All of those ideologies are liberal in nature. Now they are vastly different ideologies yes, but that are similar and from the same spectrum.

to be fair communism and fascism have a lot in common with liberalism as well as each other

that is definitely the point of view of someone who knows their pollytics

Perhaps you would be happier with the terminology of left-wing?

Also, EBWOPFYP:
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Post Post #1164  (isolation #202)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:42 am

In post 1160, Davsto wrote:Also, communism and liberalism are pretty damn far apart politically. Sure, they're both "left-wing", but if you group everyone into "famous" and "not famous" then you're putting Craig Charles in the same category as Morgan Freeman.

But rich or not rich is ok? So hypocritical
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Post Post #1166  (isolation #203)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:44 am

In post 1164, Davsto wrote:
In post 1163, Untrod Tripod wrote:and, fuck, if fascism isn't a right-wing ideology what IS according to you?

trump

amirite

More of a centrists
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Post Post #1168  (isolation #204)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:46 am

In post 1168, AlwaysInnocent wrote:You are insulting our intelligence if you think you can compare liberalism to fascism, while Trump gets away with his crap. Trump is the closest to a fascist compared to any other candidate (not saying that he is a fascist, but if we are doing this, then this must be said). Hell, he even retweeted a Mussolini quote on Twitter, the KKK supports him, etc. So let's not do this. It will bite you back in the ass.

Hitler said plenty of thing I agree with. He is awful that doesn't make everything he ever said wrong
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Post Post #1169  (isolation #205)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:48 am

Also let's take the KKK comment and make an analogy. Should we hate all Muslims because ISIS supports them?
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Post Post #1172  (isolation #206)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:52 am

In post 1171, Cheetory6 wrote:So because you agree with things that Hitler said.
That makes him leftleaning and thereby fascism also leftleaning?
I don't get it.

My point is I'm not a Nazi and I agree with somethings Hilter said, just like trump is not a Fascist just because he quoted Mussolini.
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Post Post #1173  (isolation #207)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:53 am

In post 1172, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1170, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Also let's take the KKK comment and make an analogy. Should we hate all Muslims because ISIS supports them?
?

She should be should. I editted it here
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Post Post #1176  (isolation #208)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:59 am

In post 1175, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1173, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1171, Cheetory6 wrote:So because you agree with things that Hitler said.
That makes him leftleaning and thereby fascism also leftleaning?
I don't get it.

My point is I'm not a Nazi and I agree with somethings Hilter said, just like trump is not a Fascist just because he quoted Mussolini.
Compared to any other candidate, Trump is the closest to a fascist. This makes the comparison between liberalism and fascism from a Trump supporter ironic.
back that up, what makes him a Fascist
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Post Post #1177  (isolation #209)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:02 pm

In post 1176, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1174, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1172, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1170, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Also let's take the KKK comment and make an analogy. Should we hate all Muslims because ISIS supports them?
?

She should be should. I editted it here
This is a false analogy. It is also strange that you bring this up, since Trump says yes.

First the analogy is sppt on, my point is what you said, as is my analogy, is logicaly flawed
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Post Post #1179  (isolation #210)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:04 pm

In post 1176, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1174, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1172, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1170, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Also let's take the KKK comment and make an analogy. Should we hate all Muslims because ISIS supports them?
?

She should be should. I editted it here
This is a false analogy. It is also strange that you bring this up, since Trump says yes.

Also as I've said, I don't agree with everything trump says however, I do think we need a total moratorium for a while.
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Post Post #1182  (isolation #211)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:20 pm

In post 1182, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
In post 1179, Davsto wrote:Can we stop interacting with this guy and encouraging him?

He's already shown he's ignorant of politics by claiming fascism to be liberal/left-wing, and thus also a liar ("I am quite informed on [politics]"), just don't bother.
Yeah, I don't know how I always end up in this. It doesn't get any better. In fact, it only gets worse.

Jonah Goldberg wrote a great book on the subject, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
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Post Post #1184  (isolation #212)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 1184, Rob13 wrote:If you take a giant shit on the sidewalk and then sprinkle some gold dust on it, that doesn't turn it to gold. You've still shit all over the sidewalk.

Donald Trump's call to violence cannot be removed or wiped away by things he did decades ago. No-one is 100% evil, and I don't think Trump is even mostly evil. But he does have some really negative views and/or stated views (because it's very possible he doesn't believe what he says) that simply disqualify him as a presidential candidate. When you directly encourage your supporters to get violent with protesters, you cannot possibly be trusted to be the highest executive power. How do I know that he won't be telling people to attack me for posting something like this two years from now if he becomes president? His statements supporting violence (and then his outright lies about his record on violence) are deeply disturbing.

If you advocate rape and 44 years go by you still advocated rape.
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Post Post #1185  (isolation #213)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:59 pm

Also Trump doesn't incite violence or call for violence.
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Post Post #1187  (isolation #214)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:04 pm

In post 1187, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1186, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Also Drumpf doesn't incite violence or call for violence.


Dude, this has been proven false multiple times in the thread.

Are you even trying at this point?

No, opinions are not proof!
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Post Post #1189  (isolation #215)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:13 pm

In post 1189, Cheetory6 wrote:Everything is an opinion.
I am an opinion.
You're an opinion.

Well you man not be real. I doubt everything other than my ability to doubt.
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Post Post #1192  (isolation #216)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:30 pm

In post 1192, AlwaysInnocent wrote:There is a general consensus among historians (so not highly biased conservative figures such as Jonah Goldberg) that fascism is a far-right ideology, with good reason. I'll leave it at this, because I do not wish to encourage historical revisionism any further.

Imagine that the left blames the right. Also it is rich hearing someone on the left saying they don't want historical revisionism. It's leftist scholars that have re written history. Destroying statues, rewriting history books, and re naming roads. This is why people idolize Lincoln (who btw owned slaves during the civil war) and can't understand andrew Jackson. Also as far are your general consensus is concerned go ask newton and or plato hiw that goes.
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Post Post #1198  (isolation #217)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 1198, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I feel bad for the regressive left.
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Post Post #1224  (isolation #218)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:57 pm

In post 1216, Albert B. Rampage wrote:@AI

Promoting racism? Islam is a religion not a race. Illegal aliens aren't a race. I have great reservations about both.

Everyone is politically correct. If someone says "Fuck Christianity", nobody bats an eye. If someone draws a cartoon of Mohammed, people get shot.

People talk big about being open and welcoming. I agree with this, but I add the caveat of being welcoming to those who aren't taking advantage of us. I think that's a fundamental difference. I believe in freedom of speech and regardless of if he wins, Trump has already done the country an enormous service by making his voice heard on immigration alone.

I am from a family of immigrants, 99% of my friends and aquaintances are. Shit I don't even hang out with non-immigrants at all. Maybe that's why I'm so alienated by this cultural push for "white guilt" or against "white cis males" under the disguise of liberalism. I don't get it at all and I don't want to.

I'm against amnesty, against taking in muslim refugees, against nation-building in the middle east. This is diametrically opposed to what the democrats want. Therefore I'm left with Trump.

Don't try and reason with it it just insults you! Disengage.
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Post Post #1228  (isolation #219)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:00 pm

In post 1227, Psyche wrote:guess michelle bruised herself she must be crazy or maybe hillary offered her millions of dollars to do it

Or should got to close to a Presidential Candidate and security protected the person they are there to protect. I couldn't rush the stage at an Obama speach and get mad when the SS tackles me!
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Post Post #1235  (isolation #220)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:22 pm

I agree abr. Islam is an interesting religion, early parts of the Koran are some what moderate but by the time Muhammad took office and moved to Mecca he had become very radical. Id you read some of the companion books they get pretty scary.
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Post Post #1242  (isolation #221)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:30 pm

Muslims can be secular, though. A lot of them are. But that's not the point. You seem to believe all Muslims are out there to impose "Sharia Law" on the entire world. I think that is highly paranoid and should not serve as a basis for politics.

It's not paranoid. And you obviously have no understanding of Islam. Sure the Koran has been manipulated but even before that it was still a violent religion (yes in most cases only to other Muslims). The point of Islam is to further Islam at any cost. That mean lying cheating ir even dying. In fact you can denounce Islam as long as it is a lie and furthers the Islamic message.
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Post Post #1245  (isolation #222)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 1241, BROseidon wrote:Also, we should deport all Christians for Christian support of the genocide of gays in Uganda, given that the "kill the gays" bill was literally drafted by American pastors.

An argument against Islam is not a argument for Christianity. The is a red haring we weren't discussing Christians
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Post Post #1248  (isolation #223)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:34 pm

In post 1247, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1246, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1241, BROseidon wrote:Also, we should deport all Christians for Christian support of the genocide of gays in Uganda, given that the "kill the gays" bill was literally drafted by American pastors.

An argument against Islam is not a argument for Christianity. The is a red haring we weren't discussing Christians


It's called logical consistency.

No it's called mis direction. These things aren't transitive
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Post Post #1257  (isolation #224)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:53 pm

In post 1253, Davsto wrote:Quick tiny bit of research

Muslims currently make up approximately 0.9% of the U.S. adult population, or 1.8 million Muslim adults. If children are included, the Muslim population in the United States totals 2.75 million Muslims in the country, the majority of whom (63%) are immigrants.


Let's put this simply - if they were all terrorists, willing to do anything to further their cause, as you seem to be arguing

Don't you think there would have been a few more than... about 40 or 50 deaths from Islamic terrorists since 9/11 in the USA - that being over the last 14 and a bit years?

Well you are ignoring the 30,000 just last year in the world, along side 1,300 total attacks. It will get here. Also I never said all Muslims were terrorists at all, but that doesn't change their scripture! A lot of Muslims see taqiya as a guide line for when they are truly threatened or fearing for their life or some other extreme circumstance. However a very large amount of Muslims take this to the extreme. They feel that the simple existence of any other religion means that theirs is under persecution. Imagine if you believed that everyone who wasn't a Muslim was persecuting you. Not by there actions or their words, but rather by the fact the they aren't Muslims, and you can do what ever you want to not feel persecuted with out risk of angering God. Seriously try to get into that mindset. Life becomes meaningless. Who care what you do here, as long as you do what ever in hopes of defying persecution.
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Post Post #1263  (isolation #225)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:05 pm

In post 1259, Davsto wrote:Problem is, that "fear" is just that. A fear.

It is largely unfounded. There is an incredibly small risk of dying in a terrorist attack in general, and since many terrorist attacks aren't carried out by self-proclaimed Muslims, there is an even smaller chance of being killed by an Islamic terrorist.

That's the point. Their aim is to scare people - to get people to be terrified of these attacks. To create this kind of prejudice towards Muslims that you display, reducing peace and replacing it with fear. They want you to walk down a street, see a Muslim man carrying a bag and cross the road.

First off I'm afraid of snakes because they bite and kill people. I'm afraid of crazy people with guns and bombs because they shoot and blow people up.

Also terrorists are not one size fits all. ISIS is the Islamic state. I'm not saying all Muslims are part of ISIS by the way. Their goal is not to scare you. It is to kill you. This isn't a statement, they don't have demands. They are conquerors.
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Post Post #1270  (isolation #226)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:10 pm

In post 1265, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1264, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1259, Davsto wrote:Problem is, that "fear" is just that. A fear.

It is largely unfounded. There is an incredibly small risk of dying in a terrorist attack in general, and since many terrorist attacks aren't carried out by self-proclaimed Muslims, there is an even smaller chance of being killed by an Islamic terrorist.

That's the point. Their aim is to scare people - to get people to be terrified of these attacks. To create this kind of prejudice towards Muslims that you display, reducing peace and replacing it with fear. They want you to walk down a street, see a Muslim man carrying a bag and cross the road.

First off I'm afraid of snakes because they bite and kill people. I'm afraid of crazy people with guns and bombs because they shoot and blow people up.

Also terrorists are not one size fits all. ISIS is the Islamic state. I'm not saying all Muslims are part of ISIS by the way. Their goal is not to scare you. It is to kill you. This isn't a statement, they don't have demands. They are conquerors.

How the fuck do they expect to conquer when they can't even control their own god damn countries? If we're talking about conquerors, we could easily go on a tangent about imperialism and U.S. having their hands in every pocket in the middle east. That's besides the point, however.

They aren't imperialist conquerors they are ideologic conquerors. They don't want to rule you they want to destroy everything that isn't them.
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Post Post #1276  (isolation #227)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:14 pm

In post 1273, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Have you not seen the video coming out yesterday of a protestor punching a trump supporter totally out of nowhere?

You know the liberal media doesn't talk about this, and you know they don't watch fox or listen to Michael berry or rush Limbaugh
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Post Post #1281  (isolation #228)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:18 pm

In post 1278, Davsto wrote:I just spent ages articulating a point when I could have just quoted a dictionary dammit


ISIS doesn't look in Websters for inspiration. Seriously!
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Post Post #1288  (isolation #229)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:24 pm

In post 1288, Psyche wrote:
In post 1283, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Oh. Well they should know that protestors punching innocent people unprovoked are a thing. Idk why they keep bringing up violence as if it only goes one way. It goes both. People on both sides are pissed.

trump is the only candidate who eggs the violence on
believe it or not there comes a point where punching someone is justified
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Post Post #1290  (isolation #230)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:27 pm

In post 1290, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1289, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1288, Psyche wrote:
In post 1283, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Oh. Well they should know that protestors punching innocent people unprovoked are a thing. Idk why they keep bringing up violence as if it only goes one way. It goes both. People on both sides are pissed.

trump is the only candidate who eggs the violence on
believe it or not there comes a point where punching someone is justified

the fuck?

If you.run around in a clan out fit for example, I believe a 78 year old man is plenty justified in punching them.
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Post Post #1292  (isolation #231)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:29 pm

In post 1292, Killthestory wrote:can you stop twisting shit around to make it only benefit your argument? that's not how it works

Can you quit dismissing anything that you don't like based on the basis of you not liking it?
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Post Post #1294  (isolation #232)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:38 pm

In post 1294, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1293, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1292, Killthestory wrote:can you stop twisting shit around to make it only benefit your argument? that's not how it works

Can you quit dismissing anything that you don't like based on the basis of you not liking it?

you just turned the base word base into a buzzword

congratulations

This is irrelevant. You have no argument for what I said so you are deflecting.
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Post Post #1296  (isolation #233)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:42 pm

In post 1296, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1295, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1294, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1293, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1292, Killthestory wrote:can you stop twisting shit around to make it only benefit your argument? that's not how it works

Can you quit dismissing anything that you don't like based on the basis of you not liking it?

you just turned the base word base into a buzzword

congratulations

This is irrelevant. You have no argument for what I said so you are deflecting.

the fuck do i need to deflect? you literally destroy your own arguments lol?

are you sure you want to have this dick measuring contest my man? im well versed in the art of whipping it out at the speed of sound

Deflecting so you don't have to admit that you think that the 78 year old black man punched a man in a KKK outfit who was harassing him!
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Post Post #1298  (isolation #234)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:46 pm

In post 1298, Killthestory wrote:the fuck does that relate to what we were talking about?

thats like someone saying, "Gang violence is bad" and then another motherfucker coming up "WHAT IF A DUDE PULLS A GUN ON YOU? ARE YOU SUPOPOPOSED TO NOT DEFEND YOURSELF!!1!"

Learn to read, take it one word at a time and try again.
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Post Post #1350  (isolation #235)  » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:04 pm

alright my ban is up lets argue
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Post Post #1352  (isolation #236)  » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:06 pm

In post 1352, Psyche wrote:the jews deserve our respect

of course
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Post Post #1354  (isolation #237)  » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:08 pm

In post 1354, Not_Mafia wrote:Who's the worst beatle?

There is a correct answer

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Post Post #1361  (isolation #238)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:21 am

Seriously thougg, I think this election is a great opportunity for the rise of the libertarian party. Thoughs on gary johnson?
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Post Post #1366  (isolation #239)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:20 am

In post 1365, zoraster wrote:what about the weed smoking libertarians?
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Post Post #1368  (isolation #240)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:19 pm

In post 1368, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1365, zoraster wrote:what about the weed smoking libertarians?

They're holding in their opinions until Trump actually gives the same answer 5 times in a row.

You know this may be fair. I've been becoming less and less attached to Trump over the last two weeks, but I just can't vote for any of the other 3. Where's My Liberty!?
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Post Post #1372  (isolation #241)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:15 pm

In post 1372, Psyche wrote:
In post 1369, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1368, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1365, zoraster wrote:what about the weed smoking libertarians?

They're holding in their opinions until Trump actually gives the same answer 5 times in a row.

You know this may be fair. I've been becoming less and less attached to Trump over the last two weeks, but I just can't vote for any of the other 3. Where's My Liberty!?

you should run as an independent
16 years from now I will be
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Post Post #1374  (isolation #242)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:46 pm

In post 1374, Psyche wrote:if someone as bad at his job as obama can become president despite being from kenya you can become president desite being 15

15+16=31
22+16=38
AgeToBePres>=35
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Post Post #1376  (isolation #243)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:21 pm

In post 1376, Psyche wrote:despite being 12

Are you new or something?
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Post Post #1378  (isolation #244)  » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:24 pm

In post 1378, Psyche wrote:DESPITE BEING 8


You are changing your mind more than Donald Trump
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Post Post #1389  (isolation #245)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:28 am

It's not the first time we have shut down the southern border or threatened Mexico. Remember the DA that was executed? Mexico had "no information ", but 9 hours after we cut off money and closed the border they handed the killers to us.
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Post Post #1397  (isolation #246)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:51 pm

Anyone catch the Kimle interview with the tpb's? Tronald Dump
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Post Post #1402  (isolation #247)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:30 pm

In post 1401, Psyche wrote:i blame common core

Secretly it is all TPP's fault. Also are the main stream republicans still blaming Carter?
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Post Post #1405  (isolation #248)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:47 pm

In post 1404, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1392, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1390, drmyshottyizsik wrote:It's not the first time we have shut down the southern border or threatened Mexico. Remember the DA that was executed? Mexico had "no information ", but 9 hours after we cut off money and closed the border they handed the killers to us.

Give me info on this.

It was pre internet. I want to say it was clinton. It's in an old text boox of mine give me a bit I'll find it
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Post Post #1408  (isolation #249)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:09 pm

In post 1408, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1407, Rob13 wrote:lol

If only people could find some way to document things that happened pre-internet on the current internet! Possibly at an online encyclopedia that anyone could edit! They could even make it completely free to everyone, so anyone can find alleged historical facts and present proof of their existence!

Closest I could find was Kiki Camarena but it doesn't really match shotty's story.

That may be it, i may be confusing da with dea.
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Post Post #1411  (isolation #250)  » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:35 pm

Probably because I was told about it by an unchecked sorce, man I should be a journalist.
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Post Post #1415  (isolation #251)  » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:48 pm

In post 1413, SleepyKrew wrote:your textbook was an unchecked source?

I was making a joke.
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Post Post #1417  (isolation #252)  » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:57 pm

In post 1417, SleepyKrew wrote:yeah but the joke was about ethics in journalism

Exactly
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Post Post #1424  (isolation #253)  » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:05 pm

In post 1424, Rob13 wrote:We are! We're making sure the right kind of folk are safe from criminals and rapists! And by right kind of folk, I mean whites. And by criminals and rapists, I mean blacks and Hispanics. Maybe those Asians, too - they've always looked shifty.

This is just... no.
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Post Post #1427  (isolation #254)  » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:31 pm

In post 1427, Rob13 wrote:Drmy, I was just quoting the man, the myth, the legend, Donald Trump.

But seriously, when he opens his mouth, that's more-or-less what comes out, dude. That's why many people are very against him.

No sir, I don't like it. That is slander or defamation of character.
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Post Post #1430  (isolation #255)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:07 am

In post 1429, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1428, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1427, Rob13 wrote:Drmy, I was just quoting the man, the myth, the legend, Donald Trump.

But seriously, when he opens his mouth, that's more-or-less what comes out, dude. That's why many people are very against him.

No sir, I don't like it. That is slander or defamation of character.

Considering he's a public character and also has made statements approximating these on numerous occasions, gonna go with a big "no" on this one.

Maybe learn something about tort law if you're going to talk about it.

If I can prove intent to harm I'll go with yes.
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Post Post #1431  (isolation #256)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:08 am

In post 1430, Majiffy wrote:Oh and the First Amendment doesn't protect against hate speech or incitements to violence so that argument is out the window too.

Just while we're clearing up Trump supporters' skewed perspective on laws they don't understand fully.

Again Trump isn't inciting violence he just isn't disagreeing with it. Those people made their own choices, and if we are going back to the idiot reporter I think it's all but been settled as she is crazy.
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Post Post #1433  (isolation #257)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:23 am

the dictionary wrote:urge or persuade (someone) to act in a violent or unlawful way

show me any instance in which Trump attempts to persuade someone to act violent or in an unlawful manner.
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Post Post #1436  (isolation #258)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:27 am

You literally googled trump inciting violence and gave me the first result.
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Post Post #1440  (isolation #259)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:40 am

In post 1439, zoraster wrote:Why would googling that and providing it to you be problematic? Is he supposed to edit together his own supercut or something?

No he obviously didn't read the article though.

It just quotes a lot of opinions of Trumps. Trump saying he wants to "knock someone out" isn't inciting violence it is an opinion not a call to action. Trump saying "if I don't I know someone else will" isn't inciting violence it is him acknowledging the fact that people are pissed of. Trump saying "maybe he should have been roughed up" isn't inciting violence, it again is an opinion, he didn't tell or persuade anyone to do anything. Trump saying "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it." Isn't inciting violence, in fact he even says try not to hurt them, the fact that he doesn't really care what happens to an out of hand protester at a private event isn't inciting violence, in fact I would even say that the protesters at Trump rallies are the ones inciting violence. They are provoking and bothering people to the point of a violent reaction. And when Trump said "Part of the problem ... is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore" he didn't incite violence he wasn't even talking about physical harm, it was a much broader statement than that. He was talking about PC and safe space like places and how we don't do what needs to be done due to the fear of being called or labeled something.
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Post Post #1441  (isolation #260)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:42 am

In post 1440, Psyche wrote:shotty is partial to bing

Only because of my bing credits
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Post Post #1443  (isolation #261)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:07 am

In post 1443, Not_Mafia wrote:You keep believeing

It's a matter of definition and truth. I get you don't like the guy. I can even understand why, but don't twist words and lie. He has done plenty that can be honestly used to attack him, but this is beneath even you guys. Using mashable as proof is crazy. They specialize in out on context journalism.
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Post Post #1448  (isolation #262)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:20 pm

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Post Post #1449  (isolation #263)  » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:47 pm

Also, I find it quite strange that united healthcare is losing money when there is now a mandate on their product
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Post Post #1464  (isolation #264)  » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:46 pm

B(Tr)ump
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Post Post #1465  (isolation #265)  » Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:48 pm

I'm tired of the circus we need a stv system
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Post Post #1470  (isolation #266)  » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:33 pm

In post 1468, BROseidon wrote:Are you saying "a stv" or "an S-T-V?"

A Single Transferable Vote
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Post Post #1488  (isolation #267)  » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 1486, Psyche wrote:missing the third possibility that he directly converts the acronym and reads it as "single transferable vote"

This and yes then maybe I shouldn't abbreviate, but think oh it rather as encryption.
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Post Post #1490  (isolation #268)  » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:18 pm

I like liquor and whores.
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Post Post #1496  (isolation #269)  » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:39 am

So trumps getting damn close to 1237
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Post Post #1498  (isolation #270)  » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:56 am

In post 1498, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1369, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I've been becoming less and less attached to Trump.

Still true, doesn't change how well he is doing
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Post Post #1500  (isolation #271)  » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:19 am

In post 1500, Katsuki wrote:#TRUMP2016 #YEEZUS2020

If Trump can get through the primaries, there is the definite reality of Trump becoming president... The man's not dumb, and there are issues with both Clinton and Sanders.

I sure hope so
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Post Post #1502  (isolation #272)  » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:37 am

In post 1502, Rob13 wrote:I really think people underestimate the potential voter turnout from people who typically don't vote but really don't want Trump in the White House. All the polls of head-to-heads only poll people who are "likely voters". If Trump is the actual nominee, I think that pool will get a lot bigger. That doesn't favor Trump.

I disagree, I think there is a very large part of the right wing that doesn't usually vote who will vote for trump to not have Clinton or especially sanders
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Post Post #1509  (isolation #273)  » Sun May 01, 2016 9:27 am

In post 1507, T S O wrote:I'm sure I could hammer Bernie's policies in exactly the same way the post above hammers Trump's if I start off with the intention to completely misrep them in the same way that the post above so clearly does.

This shouldn't be taken as me defending Bernie's policies, though. They're objectively garbage anyway.

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Post Post #1517  (isolation #274)  » Wed May 04, 2016 1:46 pm

and trump gets the nomination
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Post Post #1522  (isolation #275)  » Wed May 04, 2016 3:08 pm

In post 1522, Psyche wrote:don't call it cannibalize they are nothing like you they are beneath you to consume them is as if to consume livestock

and we are the bigoted...
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Post Post #1530  (isolation #276)  » Wed May 04, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 1529, KuroiXHF wrote:With a Trump and Clinton race, the third party is getting more exposure. People are flocking to the man, Gary Johnson.

You know he climbed mount Everest
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Post Post #1533  (isolation #277)  » Wed May 04, 2016 7:49 pm

In post 1533, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1530, zoraster wrote:Feel free to believe that

The facts believe that too.
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In post 1531, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1529, KuroiXHF wrote:With a Trump and Clinton race, the third party is getting more exposure. People are flocking to the man, Gary Johnson.

You know he climbed mount Everest

He climbed the tallest mountain in every continent. Even Australia's. And everything is trying to kill you in Australia.
Everything.

I voted gary Johnson in 2012 brah
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Post Post #1539  (isolation #278)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:05 pm

In post 1539, KuroiXHF wrote:https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Fallout%204

"You think Fallout 4 was so amazing? Then how come the charts are so low in 2005?!"

But Gary Johnson was actually a candidate in the 2012 race, fall out 4 did exist yet
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Post Post #1542  (isolation #279)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:09 pm

In post 1542, zoraster wrote:No, you misunderstand. You cropped the chart to look like he had this huge surge last night when it was tiny compared to even his OWN previous showings. Which ended with him getting 2.93% IN HIS MOST POPULAR STATE of Montana. He received almost exactly 1% of the national vote. So his interest level then, which was significantly higher than now, got him to 1% of the national vote. Cropping it to look like OMG he's on the rise isn't just wrong-headed, it's misleading and disingenuous.

But I think his point is, the platform GJ was running on didn't have a prayer in 2012, however people are probably going to be actively seeking out a third party for the first time in a long time.
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Post Post #1549  (isolation #280)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:18 pm

In post 1549, zoraster wrote:
In post 1547, KuroiXHF wrote:Then you also appear to be easily insulted. The current facts prove me to be much more accurate than not. Your argument is outdated, at best.


I will bet you $100 that Gary Johnson does not break 5% nationally. How's that?

It occurs to me that betting money in this way is probably bad. So the standard avatar bet?

Care to parlay?
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Post Post #1552  (isolation #281)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:20 pm

In post 1552, zoraster wrote:I think 2% is a possible if unlikely outcome. If that's all you mean, then sure. This might be the kind of environment that a third party gets a bit more than usual.

Avatar bet
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Post Post #1558  (isolation #282)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:25 pm

In post 1557, zoraster wrote:
In post 1553, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1552, zoraster wrote:I think 2% is a possible if unlikely outcome. If that's all you mean, then sure. This might be the kind of environment that a third party gets a bit more than usual.

Avatar bet
Johnson gets over 3.5% and Trump wins over Hillary by at least 5 points.


That's a joint bet? As in both those circumstances happen, you change your avatar to something I choose for a month. If either doesn't happen I get to set yours?

Yup that's the parlay, but make it 3 months
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Post Post #1563  (isolation #283)  » Wed May 04, 2016 8:29 pm

In post 1562, zoraster wrote:I can't take a 3 month bet as much as I believe I'll win it. One month of The Donald made me ineffective enough last time.

Ok one month, and the bet is Johnson over 2.5% and Trump over Hillary by at least 5 points.
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Post Post #1580  (isolation #284)  » Thu May 05, 2016 5:53 pm

In post 1579, Dwlee99 wrote:Believing homosexuality is immoral is immoral.

Morality is subjective, believing otherwise is bigoted.
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Post Post #1585  (isolation #285)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 1581, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1579, Dwlee99 wrote:Believing homosexuality is immoral is immoral.

Morality is subjective, believing otherwise is bigoted.

and isn't that a large sub platform of liberalism? Sexuality, religion, race, age, morality, self worth, really everything is subjective and each subject should be treated as an individual and respected no matter how little of the proportionate population they represent, and fitting solutions should be legislated in order to protect and remedy each subject's needs. Which I personally find ironic because if we actually reach the far left or socialism, we will all be treated the same. The people who claim to be the most open minded are the same people who are so quick to take away local representation and give power to a large national government that thinks of people as numbers rather than neighbors. Not to mention the hypocrisy with in demanding everyone be open minded, but only have your opinions.
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Post Post #1590  (isolation #286)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:18 pm

In post 1584, Dwlee99 wrote:If you believe that oppressing or inhibiting happiness is morally correct I dont know what to say to you

This is the same narrative that promotes and has created mass childhood obesity, a massive welfare system, everyone getting a trophy, scoreless games, and a growing number of sexual crimes among youth. I guess to summarize and quote The Rolling Stones, you can't always get what you want.
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Post Post #1592  (isolation #287)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:20 pm

In post 1592, Dwlee99 wrote::roll:

This a dismal not a defense.
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Post Post #1596  (isolation #288)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:31 pm

In post 1594, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1591, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1584, Dwlee99 wrote:If you believe that oppressing or inhibiting happiness is morally correct I dont know what to say to you

This is the same narrative that promotes and has created mass childhood obesity, a massive welfare system, everyone getting a trophy, scoreless games, and a growing number of sexual crimes among youth. I guess to summarize and quote The Rolling Stones, you can't always get what you want.

There is nothing to defend. you didnt say why the attitude has led to.any of these (and I see no correlation)

Telling your kid they can only have one cookie instead of 5 inhibits the child happiness.
Telling people they have to work and won't be supplemented government inhibits happiness.
Telling one person or one team they won or are better inhibits the happiness of the loosers.
By teaching kids they can do what they want or what ever makes them happy it follows that people will be more angry when they can't get what they want sexually and with raging hormones they are more likely to take what they want.
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Post Post #1600  (isolation #289)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:37 pm

In post 1598, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1588, Ircher wrote:Let me put it this way: Suppose you become "happy" by murdering people. Is it right for exceptions be made to the law to allow you to go murder people unpunished simply because it makes you "happy"?

There is a flaw here. If someone murders someone else, then that murdered person is deprived of their right to life, which is a pretty fundamental right in American law.

Whereas gay marriage doesn't deprive anybody else of any rights. I mean, I guess straight people lose the exclusivity of the word "marriage", but then Congress can't make any law about who can say what when.

and you bring up a great point. the government should have no bearing on marriage it all. it should be exclusivey private. and everyone, straight gay etc, should be eligible to file for a civil union and nothing more.
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Post Post #1601  (isolation #290)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:38 pm

In post 1600, Ircher wrote:I think Shotty gets it.

@Magiffy
But, it's rather similar if you think about it.

sadly among this group this actually lost you credibility.
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Post Post #1609  (isolation #291)  » Thu May 05, 2016 6:54 pm

In post 1606, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1603, Ircher wrote:Tell me this: Why did the US ban Polygammy then? As far as I know, it does not intrude on "Life, Liberty, or Property"

Oh, without knowing much, I'm sure it was banned as a way to oppress the polygamist lifestyle of the mormons. But that's never a good reason to keep a tradition going.

Actually polygamy is not condoned in the Mormon church
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Post Post #1615  (isolation #292)  » Thu May 05, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 1611, kuribo wrote:Theological reasons have no bearing on a secular society and are explicitly forbidden by the constitution.

No you are very wrong there. You're reason can aspire from anywhere. Now the law that is passed may not impede on, promote, or discriminate against any religion. So by a constitutional standpoint, it actually is against the constitution to make a law saying that a Christian caterer must cater a gay wedding as this impedes on their religion.
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Post Post #1621  (isolation #293)  » Thu May 05, 2016 7:08 pm

In post 1617, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1615, Ircher wrote:Nope, still my opinion.

Right


Ircher is confirmed troll, we can stop responding to him now.

See this is bigotry. You are insulting and belittling someone's religious view. I don't know who the fuck you think you are but I can guarantee that you are in no place to sit high and validate what is and is not a legitimate religious view. The fact that you would say this, and infact you personally, disgust me.
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Post Post #1631  (isolation #294)  » Thu May 05, 2016 7:36 pm

In post 1623, kuribo wrote:
In post 1616, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1611, kuribo wrote:Theological reasons have no bearing on a secular society and are explicitly forbidden by the constitution.

No you are very wrong there. You're reason can aspire from anywhere. Now the law that is passed may not impede on, promote, or discriminate against any religion. So by a constitutional standpoint, it actually is against the constitution to make a law saying that a Christian caterer must cater a gay wedding as this impedes on their religion.



A law banning something for theological reasons by very definition "promotes" in your words, a religion.

No if I make a law because I was raised as an X and X taught me Y, and I make a law about Y that is fine as long as Y doesn't direct influence or promote a specific religion
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Post Post #1637  (isolation #295)  » Thu May 05, 2016 7:51 pm

In post 1635, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1632, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1623, kuribo wrote:
In post 1616, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1611, kuribo wrote:Theological reasons have no bearing on a secular society and are explicitly forbidden by the constitution.

No you are very wrong there. You're reason can aspire from anywhere. Now the law that is passed may not impede on, promote, or discriminate against any religion. So by a constitutional standpoint, it actually is against the constitution to make a law saying that a Christian caterer must cater a gay wedding as this impedes on their religion.



A law banning something for theological reasons by very definition "promotes" in your words, a religion.

No if I make a law because I was raised as an X and X taught me Y, and I make a law about Y that is fine as long as Y doesn't direct influence or promote a specific religion

As long as Y doesn't also infringe on federally protected rights such as the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

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agreed. i believe gay marriage is eh, I don't get it but what straight man could? now what I don't like is forcing churches to marry them or other things like the caterer example I gave
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Post Post #1638  (isolation #296)  » Thu May 05, 2016 7:53 pm

In post 1637, Ircher wrote:One last thing: A lot of moral views DO come from religion.

Some argue it stems from it
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Post Post #1641  (isolation #297)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:11 pm

In post 1641, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1638, drmyshottyizsik wrote:agreed. i believe gay marriage is eh, I don't get it but what straight man could? now what I don't like is forcing churches to marry them or other things like the caterer example I gave

And that pretty much comes down to 1st Amendment vs 14th Amendment.

But I also don't see anyone positing that? Can you provide some instances where the courts upheld that a specific caterer must cater a gay wedding or that a specific church must marry a gay couple?

No and I don't honestly think it is going to be a big deal, like the bathroom thing. There is no need for legislation just deal with it on a case by case basis until we have a president. We are legislating blind. If we start making laws for every what if thing will get out of hand
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Post Post #1647  (isolation #298)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:22 pm

In post 1644, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1642, drmyshottyizsik wrote:until we have a president.

Wait, did something happen?

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Post Post #1653  (isolation #299)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:28 pm

In post 1643, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1642, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1641, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1638, drmyshottyizsik wrote:agreed. i believe gay marriage is eh, I don't get it but what straight man could? now what I don't like is forcing churches to marry them or other things like the caterer example I gave

And that pretty much comes down to 1st Amendment vs 14th Amendment.

But I also don't see anyone positing that? Can you provide some instances where the courts upheld that a specific caterer must cater a gay wedding or that a specific church must marry a gay couple?

No and I don't honestly think it is going to be a big deal, like the bathroom thing. There is no need for legislation just deal with it on a case by case basis until we have a president. We are legislating blind. If we start making laws for every what if thing will get out of hand

There's a huge difference between "no I can't find any instances of the government forcing individuals / organizations to do things against their legal protection" and "that bathroom thing".

"That bathroom thing" is a law that discriminates illegally against individuals.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about or what the matter at hand is.

We are speaking of different bills. I'm talking about the one stating that people can use what ever bathroom they want. This is a pointless law. We never had an issue with this until someone made it one. If you want to use bathroom X go for it. If you do something that is illegal, well guess what we already have laws for sexual crimes. Same thing with the caterer, if you don't want to serve them then don't, it's a free market and I don't think any one who is X would want to support someone's or a business that is anti X. There is no need to legislate this when there hasn't really been much of an issue either way. It is media gold though so it gets made out to be a way larger deal than it is
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Post Post #1655  (isolation #300)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:31 pm

In post 1652, kuribo wrote:When you're discussing the law, it's literally the only factor

I'm sure you are bright enough to discern that he was speak from a personal stand point. This whole debate stemmed from a law v morality discussion
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Post Post #1660  (isolation #301)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:41 pm

In post 1659, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1656, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1652, kuribo wrote:When you're discussing the law, it's literally the only factor

I'm sure you are bright enough to discern that he was speak from a personal stand point. This whole debate stemmed from a law v morality discussion

Discussing morality without a framework specifying quite what about morality we're speaking about is a completely fruitless endeavor. And I'm sure you'll notice - actually, no, I'm sure you won't notice because you're intentionally obtuse about anything that disagrees with your delicate sensibilities - Ircher has repeatedly avoided elaborating on much of anything.

probably because it is a very sensitive subject and he isn't going answer loaded questions designed to degrade his religion. I get it you think you are better, but youa are not. Hating him because he is different than you is exactly what you are saying is bad and franky you are a huge hypocrite
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Post Post #1666  (isolation #302)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:47 pm

In post 1658, Psyche wrote:
In post 1654, drmyshottyizsik wrote:We are speaking of different bills. I'm talking about the one stating that people can use what ever bathroom they want. This is a pointless law. We never had an issue with this until someone made it one. If you want to use bathroom X go for it. If you do something that is illegal, well guess what we already have laws for sexual crimes. Same thing with the caterer, if you don't want to serve them then don't, it's a free market and I don't think any one who is X would want to support someone's or a business that is anti X. There is no need to legislate this when there hasn't really been much of an issue either way. It is media gold though so it gets made out to be a way larger deal than it is


minorities used to be unable to find accommodations for themselves because businesses throughout entire regions would refuse to serve them

and there is no religious grounds for that. Also let me make this very clear. Not serving someone is different than the caterer example. The key elemen being the caterers participation in the ceremony they are against. If a lesbian asks the caterer to cater a kidney walk and he say no you're a queer then that is wrong and should be dealt with. How ever if that caterer has a religious view that is anti kidney walk for what ever reason they shouldn't be forced to cater it. denying service is wrong, but if you are a photographer, a priest, a caterer, or any other part of what ever ceremony betrays whatever your beliefs are you should not be forced to do it.
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Post Post #1669  (isolation #303)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:52 pm

In post 1665, kuribo wrote:
In post 1661, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1659, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1656, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1652, kuribo wrote:When you're discussing the law, it's literally the only factor

I'm sure you are bright enough to discern that he was speak from a personal stand point. This whole debate stemmed from a law v morality discussion

Discussing morality without a framework specifying quite what about morality we're speaking about is a completely fruitless endeavor. And I'm sure you'll notice - actually, no, I'm sure you won't notice because you're intentionally obtuse about anything that disagrees with your delicate sensibilities - Ircher has repeatedly avoided elaborating on much of anything.

probably because it is a very sensitive subject and he isn't going answer loaded questions designed to degrade his religion. I get it you think you are better, but youa are not. Hating him because he is different than you is exactly what you are saying is bad and franky you are a huge hypocrite



Ah the old "tolerate my intolerance, you bigot" switcharoo.

First off it's not my intolerance, I for the record am pro gay marriage, I don't get it, but go for it. Second, no it's not a switcheroo, it goes both ways. Christians should have freedom at the expense of anyone, but you have to remember that Christians have rights to their beliefs too, so by that token others shouldn't get rights at the expense of Christianity. Things can work out fine for both. Christians who oppose gay marriage aren't going to convert thw lgbtqxjfod community and the alphabet isn't going to convince Christians that everything they believe and live for is wrong. For the most part this is a sociological issue not a political one.
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Post Post #1671  (isolation #304)  » Thu May 05, 2016 8:55 pm

In post 1668, kuribo wrote:By your explanation, the caterer is still wrong unless you're claiming they don't cater weddings at all. Otherwise they just don't cater weddings for gay people.


Replace "gay" with black and see if you still feel that way.

again there is no religious backing for replacing gay with black. You cannot force someone to participate in what they truly believe will damn them to hell. No matter how hard it is for you to swallow this you just can't make a law saying that people have to betray their faith.
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Post Post #1678  (isolation #305)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:05 pm

In post 1671, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1597, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1594, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1591, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1584, Dwlee99 wrote:If you believe that oppressing or inhibiting happiness is morally correct I dont know what to say to you

This is the same narrative that promotes and has created mass childhood obesity, a massive welfare system, everyone getting a trophy, scoreless games, and a growing number of sexual crimes among youth. I guess to summarize and quote The Rolling Stones, you can't always get what you want.

There is nothing to defend. you didnt say why the attitude has led to.any of these (and I see no correlation)

Telling your kid they can only have one cookie instead of 5 inhibits the child happiness.
Telling people they have to work and won't be supplemented government inhibits happiness.
Telling one person or one team they won or are better inhibits the happiness of the loosers.
By teaching kids they can do what they want or what ever makes them happy it follows that people will be more angry when they can't get what they want sexually and with raging hormones they are more likely to take what they want.

Parents can excercise authority over kids.
Not really?
Nope
That harms other people

Exactly that exercising of authority inhibits happiness though that was your whole point.
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Post Post #1679  (isolation #306)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:07 pm

In post 1675, Killthestory wrote:
In post 1672, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1668, kuribo wrote:By your explanation, the caterer is still wrong unless you're claiming they don't cater weddings at all. Otherwise they just don't cater weddings for gay people.


Replace "gay" with black and see if you still feel that way.

again there is no religious backing for replacing gay with black. You cannot force someone to participate in what they truly believe will damn them to hell. No matter how hard it is for you to swallow this you just can't make a law saying that people have to betray their faith.

so you support racism?

wh. a..t.. i mean.. how did you... trolling?
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Post Post #1680  (isolation #307)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:09 pm

In post 1677, kuribo wrote:
In post 1672, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1668, kuribo wrote:By your explanation, the caterer is still wrong unless you're claiming they don't cater weddings at all. Otherwise they just don't cater weddings for gay people.


Replace "gay" with black and see if you still feel that way.

again there is no religious backing for replacing gay with black. You cannot force someone to participate in what they truly believe will damn them to hell. No matter how hard it is for you to swallow this you just can't make a law saying that people have to betray their faith.


Slaves are to be under the control of their masters in all respects, giving them satisfaction, not talking back to them or stealing from them, but exhibiting completely good faith, so as to adorn the doctrine of God our savior in every way. (Titus 2:9-10)

Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse. (1 Peter 2:18)

lol most slaves then were not black. Again this says nothing of race at all. The context and meaning of those are to love god and put little stock in man, because no matter what happens here, it is mathematically nothing.compared to you eternal salvation in the presence of god.
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Post Post #1685  (isolation #308)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:19 pm

In post 1683, kuribo wrote:So only black slaves experience racism? And only white people can perpetrate it?

No but you specifically said replace gay with black and then quote that. Again slavery was not a race thing in the times you are quoting. It was a class based slave society. Again I said nothing about white people being the only ones to propitiate it, you just specifically said black, then quote the bible about slavery, To me you just look like an idiot that read slaves in the bible and is so damn ignorant that he assumed them to be black, and thus proving you disjointed and misfounded point.
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Post Post #1687  (isolation #309)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:27 pm

In post 1687, kuribo wrote:
In post 1686, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1683, kuribo wrote:So only black slaves experience racism? And only white people can perpetrate it?

No but you specifically said replace gay with black and then quote that. Again slavery was not a race thing in the times you are quoting. It was a class based slave society. Again I said nothing about white people being the only ones to propitiate it, you just specifically said black, then quote the bible about slavery, To me you just look like an idiot that read slaves in the bible and is so damn ignorant that he assumed them to be black, and thus proving you disjointed and misfounded point.



And my point is that those same verses were used to justify black slavery and racism. From Jefferson Davis, to the KKK, on down. You can deny that fact all you want, but those verses were used that way whether you agree with them or not. Hitler also used the bible as his motivation for the Holocaust. So to say that religion is never the basis for racism is historically myopic. And for the record, the Isrealites in the very bible commit genocide and slavery against the Canaanites--- another race of people, not a class of citizen.


Idiot? Ignorant?

Son, I've read FAR more of the bible than you, and spent far more many years studying it.

You're funny. Always I never said it wasn't used as a tool for racism, of course it was, and that disgusts me, but the bible itself is not a racist book.
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Post Post #1689  (isolation #310)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:33 pm

In post 1689, kuribo wrote:
In post 1667, drmyshottyizsik wrote:and there is no religious grounds for that. A



This is what you said


The fact is there ARE religious grounds for it.

You may not agree with those religious grounds but for many they exist.

You may not agree that the Quran compels people to blow themselves up, but that doesn't mean there's no religious grounds for it. In your religion, no. To some sects of Islam, yes.

Fair enough. I should have said biblical not religious you are correct, and I would love t discuss the Quran and it's supporting books.
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Post Post #1691  (isolation #311)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:36 pm

In post 1691, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1670, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1665, kuribo wrote:
In post 1661, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1659, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1656, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1652, kuribo wrote:When you're discussing the law, it's literally the only factor

I'm sure you are bright enough to discern that he was speak from a personal stand point. This whole debate stemmed from a law v morality discussion

Discussing morality without a framework specifying quite what about morality we're speaking about is a completely fruitless endeavor. And I'm sure you'll notice - actually, no, I'm sure you won't notice because you're intentionally obtuse about anything that disagrees with your delicate sensibilities - Ircher has repeatedly avoided elaborating on much of anything.

probably because it is a very sensitive subject and he isn't going answer loaded questions designed to degrade his religion. I get it you think you are better, but youa are not. Hating him because he is different than you is exactly what you are saying is bad and franky you are a huge hypocrite



Ah the old "tolerate my intolerance, you bigot" switcharoo.

First off it's not my intolerance, I for the record am pro gay marriage, I don't get it, but go for it. Second, no it's not a switcheroo, it goes both ways. Christians should have freedom at the expense of anyone, but you have to remember that Christians have rights to their beliefs too, so by that token others shouldn't get rights at the expense of Christianity. Things can work out fine for both. Christians who oppose gay marriage aren't going to convert thw lgbtqxjfod community and the alphabet isn't going to convince Christians that everything they believe and live for is wrong. For the most part this is a sociological issue not a political one.


I'm curious why the hell gay people would want to go to a caterer that doesn't want to serve them? Why would any customer want to go to any business that doesn't want to do business with them? That's the beauty of the free market and the nice part of the world is most of us aren't intolerant assholes.

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In post 1654, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1643, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1642, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1641, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1638, drmyshottyizsik wrote:agreed. i believe gay marriage is eh, I don't get it but what straight man could? now what I don't like is forcing churches to marry them or other things like the caterer example I gave

And that pretty much comes down to 1st Amendment vs 14th Amendment.

But I also don't see anyone positing that? Can you provide some instances where the courts upheld that a specific caterer must cater a gay wedding or that a specific church must marry a gay couple?

No and I don't honestly think it is going to be a big deal, like the bathroom thing. There is no need for legislation just deal with it on a case by case basis until we have a president. We are legislating blind. If we start making laws for every what if thing will get out of hand

There's a huge difference between "no I can't find any instances of the government forcing individuals / organizations to do things against their legal protection" and "that bathroom thing".

"That bathroom thing" is a law that discriminates illegally against individuals.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about or what the matter at hand is.

We are speaking of different bills. I'm talking about the one stating that people can use what ever bathroom they want. This is a pointless law. We never had an issue with this until someone made it one. If you want to use bathroom X go for it. If you do something that is illegal, well guess what we already have laws for sexual crimes. Same thing with the caterer, if you don't want to serve them then don't, it's a free market and I don't think any one who is X would want to support someone's or a business that is anti X. There is no need to legislate this when there hasn't really been much of an issue either way. It is media gold though so it gets made out to be a way larger deal than it is
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Post Post #1694  (isolation #312)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:51 pm

In post 1694, Psyche wrote:
In post 1681, drmyshottyizsik wrote:lol most slaves then were not black. Again this says nothing of race at all. The context and meaning of those are to love god and put little stock in man, because no matter what happens here, it is mathematically nothing.compared to you eternal salvation in the presence of god.

ok, but there were lots of christians who justified mistreating blacks with the bible just like people now justify mistreating gays
if it's what they believe religiously then what does it matter if you disagree with their reasoning for believing it?

I think the "Christians" that used it as a reason to commit hate crimes are rotting in hell or will be. Same goes to those who commit hate crimes to those who are part of the alphabet group. But so will those who bombast Christians for believing that marriage in between a man and a woman. Believe that is much different than lynching someone. Yes there are hate crimes committed against gays, etc, and that is wrong. Very wrong. Christianity says nothing about killing them. Christianity teaches that you let god be the judge. And that is what the quotes about slavery were saying. It goes both ways. If we just love one another man to man and let God do the judging we may actually have peace.
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Post Post #1697  (isolation #313)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:58 pm

In post 1696, Dwlee99 wrote:what if I told you the bible doesnt actually teach hell

Well not in the sense that is envisioned and portrayed today. The words devil actual comes from the idea that demons are in all evil and evil action. The idea of one central devil is a fairly new idea.
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Post Post #1698  (isolation #314)  » Thu May 05, 2016 9:58 pm

In post 1697, kuribo wrote:
In post 1690, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1689, kuribo wrote:
In post 1667, drmyshottyizsik wrote:and there is no religious grounds for that. A



This is what you said


The fact is there ARE religious grounds for it.

You may not agree with those religious grounds but for many they exist.

You may not agree that the Quran compels people to blow themselves up, but that doesn't mean there's no religious grounds for it. In your religion, no. To some sects of Islam, yes.

Fair enough. I should have said biblical not religious you are correct, and I would love t discuss the Quran and it's supporting books.



By your interpretation of the biblical writings. Your interpretation and conclusions of the bible / Torah / Quran / Talmud are not necessarily shared by others even of the same faith.

Which is precisely my point.
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Post Post #1703  (isolation #315)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:04 pm

In post 1703, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1698, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1696, Dwlee99 wrote:what if I told you the bible doesnt actually teach hell

Well not in the sense that is envisioned and portrayed today. The words devil actual comes from the idea that demons are in all evil and evil action. The idea of one central devil is a fairly new idea.

... No

look did I really need to specify that I meant Christianity
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Post Post #1706  (isolation #316)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:07 pm

In post 1705, KuroiXHF wrote:Can we please stop talking about devils? This is a thread about Donald Tru-

...maybe we aren't off topic. Please continue.

No I have a different thread for Hillary
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Post Post #1707  (isolation #317)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:09 pm

In post 1706, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1704, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1703, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1698, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1696, Dwlee99 wrote:what if I told you the bible doesnt actually teach hell

Well not in the sense that is envisioned and portrayed today. The words devil actual comes from the idea that demons are in all evil and evil action. The idea of one central devil is a fairly new idea.

... No

look did I really need to specify that I meant Christianity

Ok let me give you a quick history

Zoroastrianism influenced some sects of Judaism that in turn influenced early Christians and "central devil" has been in existence since early Christianity.

So if you meant Christianity you're still wrong.

:nerd:

Yes but the Christian idea of heaven and hell is that of Judaism which existed long before Christianity.
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Post Post #1711  (isolation #318)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:12 pm

In post 1709, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1702, kuribo wrote:
In post 1696, Dwlee99 wrote:what if I told you the bible doesnt actually teach hell




The Jehovahs Witnesses believe (more biblically accurately imho) that hell is simply the grave, the death of the soul, as interpretation of John 3:16's logical opposite.

My mom is a Jehovah's Witness, so yea. I actually go most of the time as well (telling my mom I'm atheist would be difficult :C) so yea I know a lot about this stuff.

My secretary belongs to a JW kingdom hall. We talk about it a lot. It is very interesting. We have to call our parties "mandatory work lunches" so she can go.
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Post Post #1713  (isolation #319)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:15 pm

In post 1711, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1708, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Yes but the Christian idea of heaven and hell is that of Judaism which existed long before Christianity.

Dude whatever you're smoking that makes you think your sentences follow any kind of logical path, please share, that's some Grade-A shit.

Dude it is, and I poured some sauce on it, or in my mouth too, and I'm watching ashe vs evil dead, waiting to see captain America civil war. I probably don't know as much about the cultural history and the evolution on the devil, but I have read the whole bible(roman and Egyptian and a fair amount of non cannon scripts), the Quran(and a couple of the supporting books), also a bit of all of the books of the TORAH. I am very interested in this and did a lot of searching before choosing a religion.
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Post Post #1714  (isolation #320)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:17 pm

In post 1713, Majiffy wrote:"The central devil is a new idea"
"[one of the oldest known religions] is the source of the central devil idea"
"I was talking about Christianity only"
"Ok well Christianity is influenced by Judaism which was influenced by Zoroastrianism"
"Yes but the Christian idea of heaven and hell is that of Judaism which existed long before Christianity."

wat

what am I an archeologist?
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Post Post #1718  (isolation #321)  » Thu May 05, 2016 10:22 pm

In post 1717, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1714, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1711, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1708, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Yes but the Christian idea of heaven and hell is that of Judaism which existed long before Christianity.

Dude whatever you're smoking that makes you think your sentences follow any kind of logical path, please share, that's some Grade-A shit.

Dude it is, and I poured some sauce on it, or in my mouth too, and I'm watching ashe vs evil dead, waiting to see captain America civil war. I probably don't know as much about the cultural history and the evolution on the devil, but I have read the whole bible(roman and Egyptian and a fair amount of non cannon scripts), the Quran(and a couple of the supporting books), also a bit of all of the books of the TORAH. I am very interested in this and did a lot of searching before choosing a religion.

No love for Eastern philosophy huh?

Shame.

In post 1715, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1713, Majiffy wrote:"The central devil is a new idea"
"[one of the oldest known religions] is the source of the central devil idea"
"I was talking about Christianity only"
"Ok well Christianity is influenced by Judaism which was influenced by Zoroastrianism"
"Yes but the Christian idea of heaven and hell is that of Judaism which existed long before Christianity."

wat

what am I an archeologist?

Well I mean going from arguing "I'm only talking about X, not anything before it" and then reverting to "yeah but X is influenced by [shit before it]" is just absurd.

First, actually I studied with a Zen Buddhist for a year and have done a small amount of research into Hindu.

Second, that was a quote from bubbah hotep
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Post Post #1731  (isolation #322)  » Fri May 06, 2016 7:47 pm

#neverlocktrump
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Post Post #1737  (isolation #323)  » Fri May 06, 2016 10:58 pm

Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15).
there
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Post Post #1738  (isolation #324)  » Fri May 06, 2016 10:59 pm

oh and here

Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
◦Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
◦Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
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Post Post #1739  (isolation #325)  » Fri May 06, 2016 10:59 pm

and here

Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
◦Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire”
◦Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
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Post Post #1743  (isolation #326)  » Sat May 07, 2016 9:46 am

also you are acting like the jw and kingdom hall dictate Christians
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Post Post #1749  (isolation #327)  » Sat May 07, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 1745, kuribo wrote:Even biblical scholars take Revelation metaphorically

Not all, also I think you mean metaphysically
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Post Post #1750  (isolation #328)  » Sat May 07, 2016 1:02 pm

also I made a thread call itt we talk religion like 5 years ago, may be we should move this over there.
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Post Post #1754  (isolation #329)  » Sun May 08, 2016 8:32 am

In post 1753, Psyche wrote:Image

that is a great gif
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Post Post #1756  (isolation #330)  » Sun May 08, 2016 9:59 am

In post 1756, Kublai Khan wrote:Are you still pro-wall, shotty?

Idealisticly yes, practically no.
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Post Post #1758  (isolation #331)  » Sun May 08, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 1758, SleepyKrew wrote:You're ideologically in favor of cutting off the flow of cheap, business-friendly labor into the country? Do you hate capitalism shotty?!?!

Well no because ideologically I don't believe we should have a minimum wage.
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Post Post #1766  (isolation #332)  » Sun May 08, 2016 6:40 pm

In post 1760, kuribo wrote:
In post 1759, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1758, SleepyKrew wrote:You're ideologically in favor of cutting off the flow of cheap, business-friendly labor into the country? Do you hate capitalism shotty?!?!

Well no because ideologically I don't believe we should have a minimum wage.




That's literally the kind of thinking that led to the rise of labor unions

again as I said, ideals are different than practicality. Sadly the rich won't pay a livable wage all the time, but if they did there would be no need for a minimal wage.
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Post Post #1767  (isolation #333)  » Sun May 08, 2016 6:41 pm

In post 1761, Katsuki wrote:6 wonderful months of sweet drama watching how hard Trump can pivot back to the middle

He really never was that far to the right.
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Post Post #1768  (isolation #334)  » Sun May 08, 2016 6:41 pm

In post 1761, Katsuki wrote:6 wonderful months of sweet drama watching how hard Trump can pivot back to the middle

He really never was that far to the right.
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Post Post #1770  (isolation #335)  » Sun May 08, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 1770, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1759, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Well no because ideologically I don't believe we should have a minimum wage.

Oof. This makes me cringe pretty hard.

Do you know the history of why we have a minimum wage?

Yes but this is why we need one realistically, not what is ideal.
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Post Post #1774  (isolation #336)  » Sun May 08, 2016 7:48 pm

In post 1773, kuribo wrote:
In post 1772, Psyche wrote:that doesnt make any sense




He's basically saying he reserves the right to state opinions which he knows are completely ungrounded in fact.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only Trump Supporter, and when he get elected, and I will laugh at you and I will not be the only one.
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Post Post #1778  (isolation #337)  » Sun May 08, 2016 8:37 pm

In post 1777, Psyche wrote:shotty is an anarchist u heard it here first

A government so small you can't even see it
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Post Post #1780  (isolation #338)  » Sun May 08, 2016 8:58 pm

In post 1780, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1779, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1777, Psyche wrote:shotty is an anarchist u heard it here first

A government so small you can't even see it

What's the benefit of this?

Do you believe that you're too clever to be fucked over?

again I wish there was no one to fuck me over
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Post Post #1783  (isolation #339)  » Mon May 09, 2016 1:19 am

In post 1783, Majiffy wrote:That's what happens when you outlaw LSD

I think if we were all just good ol' southern white christian blue collar jesus fearing republican men things would be fine
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this is how I think you all think of me sometimes, and it hurts,
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Post Post #1785  (isolation #340)  » Mon May 09, 2016 1:55 am

In post 1785, kuribo wrote:Well I mean


You actively support an openly racist presidential candidate

sigh, he is not racist, illegal is not a race
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Post Post #1788  (isolation #341)  » Mon May 09, 2016 6:19 am

In post 1787, Rob13 wrote:But Hispanic is, and these are all Trump quotes:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. ... They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." (Despite neighborhoods with more immigrants not being higher in crime)

"Well, somebody's doing the raping! I mean somebody's doing it! Who's doing the raping? Who's doing the raping?" after being confronted with the fact that his "source" on the first quote actually talks about the problem of rape by human smugglers on the way to the US, not illegals raping once they're in the US

"#JebBush has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife." literally attacking another candidate for having a Hispanic wife, suggesting that makes him less qualified

"I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate." after being told that two supporters literally attacked and urinated on a Hispanic man due to his ethnicity, citing Trump when providing their reason for doing so

sigh again mexican is also not a race.
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Post Post #1790  (isolation #342)  » Mon May 09, 2016 6:34 am

In post 1790, Psyche wrote:ehehehehehe

you know love is blind. god is love. ray charles is blind. there for ray charles is god.
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Post Post #1794  (isolation #343)  » Mon May 09, 2016 7:35 am

In post 1794, kuribo wrote:Like aside from "Trump isn't racist," you've in just the last couple of pages you've made excuses for Trump's racism and called for an end to minimum wage while admitting it wouldn't really work


Like, we get it, you enjoy playing devils advocate. We fucking get it.

You seriously have me laughing the way you misrepresent me
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Post Post #1798  (isolation #344)  » Mon May 09, 2016 8:15 am

In post 1796, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1789, drmyshottyizsik wrote:sigh again mexican is also not a race.

Can you provide evidence that Trump understands the difference between Hispanic and Mexican?

Also, are you okay with nationalism?

Can you provide proof that he doesn't?

Also, nationalism is ok, I think trump is more of a populist. They both have large downsides. Don't get me wrong Trump is far far from my ideal candidate, but he is the best we have right now.
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Post Post #1800  (isolation #345)  » Mon May 09, 2016 9:14 am

In post 1800, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1798, Rob13 wrote:The "Mexican isn't a race" argument is especially amusing because it just replaces racism with xenophobia, which isn't any better.

No but it is different. If I go to a adoption day at an animal shelter and start preaching about saving the whales, I'm not wrong but it is not what is being said. Say what you mean.
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Post Post #1805  (isolation #346)  » Mon May 09, 2016 3:02 pm

In post 1803, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1798, Rob13 wrote:The "Mexican isn't a race" argument is especially amusing because it just replaces racism with xenophobia, which isn't any better.


"You're using the wrong word to describe the bigotry."

And it's all code for "brown people" anyways, so yeah it's still ultimately racism.

See this is racist.
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Post Post #1807  (isolation #347)  » Mon May 09, 2016 3:20 pm

In post 1807, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1806, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1803, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1798, Rob13 wrote:The "Mexican isn't a race" argument is especially amusing because it just replaces racism with xenophobia, which isn't any better.


"You're using the wrong word to describe the bigotry."

And it's all code for "brown people" anyways, so yeah it's still ultimately racism.

See this is racist.

how is that racist?

Assuming that when I white man speaks about a country that is prominently Hispanic, that he doesn't know the difference in a race and a country.
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Post Post #1810  (isolation #348)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:06 pm

In post 1809, Psyche wrote:oh so it's ReVeRsE rAcIsM

There is no such thing.
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Post Post #1811  (isolation #349)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:07 pm

In post 1810, Equinox wrote:
In post 1808, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Assuming that when I white man speaks about a country that is prominently Hispanic, that he doesn't know the difference in a race and a country.

Where are you getting this assumption?

The argument that you're trying to make is only semantics. The fact that Trump is speaking in this disparaging manner against an entire ethnic group is enough of a problem. Does Trump suddenly look better if he can tell the difference between Hispanics as a group and Mexico as a country? Because whether or not he does, the problem still remains that he has a troubling tendency to talk about diverse groups of people as stereotypes.

No you are stereotyping the people that he is talking about to make him seem worse than he is!
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Post Post #1813  (isolation #350)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:14 pm

In post 1813, kuribo wrote:Making him look worse than he is? His own words make him a pretty abhorrent character. Photoshopping him into a guard tower at Auschwitz would be an improvement over simply quoting him.

you're an idiot.
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Post Post #1821  (isolation #351)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:32 pm

In post 1821, BROseidon wrote:I highly doubt Trump wants to limit immigration from Indonesia or Albania, for instance.

We already limit immigration from Albania... like a lot. My brother is Albanian
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Post Post #1822  (isolation #352)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:35 pm

In post 1816, kuribo wrote:
In post 1814, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1813, kuribo wrote:Making him look worse than he is? His own words make him a pretty abhorrent character. Photoshopping him into a guard tower at Auschwitz would be an improvement over simply quoting him.

you're an idiot.



And you're a racist piece of shit voting for a racist piece of shit, and I look forward to bathing in your stupid tears when trump gets his shit stomped by a woman.

If you call yourself a Christian, I'd rather burn in hell for eternity than serve your God of hate for five minutes.

I belong to the church of unity... seriously. we pray to father mother god and don't believe in a true hell. You know nothing about me. You are a pitiful excuse for a man if you rely on ad hom like this to discredit a political candidate that someone support. You are disgusting.
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Post Post #1839  (isolation #353)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:50 pm

In post 1824, kuribo wrote:And yet not as disgusting as you. At least I know what I am.


Funny, that.

Good I'm glad you're transcendent. the problem isn't you knowing yourself. the issue if you sitting in judgement of me while knowing nothing about me. With nothing but a few options I have that you disagree with, you have insulted and judged an entire religion, me, my wife, my children, and my community. For someone who is complaining about people being hate filled, intolerant of religions, and being closed minded you are doing all of the above. You say you know yourself, but you are behaving like a poster child for what you say you are against. again you disgust me and are embarrassing your self.
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Post Post #1845  (isolation #354)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:58 pm

In post 1845, kuribo wrote:You called me an idiot and then bitch and complain about ad hom attacks.


Typical of a trump supporter.

thats an insult not ad hom. I'm not trying to discredit x by point out personal thing y.
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Post Post #1846  (isolation #355)  » Mon May 09, 2016 4:59 pm

In post 1843, kuribo wrote:
In post 1840, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1824, kuribo wrote:And yet not as disgusting as you. At least I know what I am.


Funny, that.

Good I'm glad you're transcendent. the problem isn't you knowing yourself. the issue if you sitting in judgement of me while knowing nothing about me. With nothing but a few options I have that you disagree with, you have insulted and judged an entire religion, me, my wife, my children, and my community. For someone who is complaining about people being hate filled, intolerant of religions, and being closed minded you are doing all of the above. You say you know yourself, but you are behaving like a poster child for what you say you are against. again you disgust me and are embarrassing your self.



No, fuck you. I don't have to be tolerant of your bigotry not of Trump's. And I've not said one word about your wife or children, frankly I have no idea if they're dumb as fuck like you.

You're god damn right we have a few issues we disagree with, namely that your candidate has advocated fucking genocide.

lol fucking genocide? hahahahahaha, you don't even make sense.
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Post Post #1848  (isolation #356)  » Mon May 09, 2016 5:03 pm

In post 1848, kuribo wrote:You're either illiterate, the dumbest motherfucker on the planet, or straight up trolling, and every time you post you expose yourself even further.

Again no reasoning, just hate speach. From someone who is bitching about hate speech. You are a huge hypocrite and again you disgust me.

I can see now that this is only breeding hate. I never intended that when I started this thread. So many site rules have been broken here so I'm going to lock this thread.
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Post Post #1849  (isolation #357)  » Tue May 10, 2016 12:24 pm

I'm re opening this thread. But this is not a place for hate speech. If you don't like Trump, then leave go start you own anti-trump thread.
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Post Post #1851  (isolation #358)  » Tue May 10, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 1851, Majiffy wrote:Ahahaha that's rich.

Hey rich is a bad word remember!
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Post Post #1853  (isolation #359)  » Tue May 10, 2016 12:57 pm

In post 1853, Davsto wrote:Trump is literally a penis.

You don't know what literally means do you? I'm sure his penis is literally a penis.
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Post Post #1855  (isolation #360)  » Tue May 10, 2016 1:05 pm

In post 1855, Majiffy wrote:A very small one, given his hand size.

Wouldn't it look bigger with his tiny hands?
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Post Post #1858  (isolation #361)  » Tue May 10, 2016 1:16 pm

In post 1857, Elbirn wrote:
In post 1850, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I'm re opening this thread. But this is not a place for hate speech. If you don't like Trump, then leave go start you own anti-trump thread.


"Don't talk about thing unless you have the stance that I do"

No feel free to disagree. The point is this is a thread about Trump not about attack Trump supporters. Keep it civil.
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Post Post #1860  (isolation #362)  » Tue May 10, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 1860, Drench wrote:ahahahaha

Oh no Drench found this thread.
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Post Post #1862  (isolation #363)  » Tue May 10, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 1862, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1850, drmyshottyizsik wrote:I'm re opening this thread. But this is not a place for hate speech. If you don't like Trump, then leave go start you own anti-trump thread.


I don't think you know what this phrase means...

Why do you think that?
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Post Post #1865  (isolation #364)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 1864, BROseidon wrote:Because nobody here has said anything along the lines of "Trump is terrible because he is (white/a man/straight/wealthy/etc)."

It's been "Trump is terrible because he's a racist, xenophobic, authoritarian piece of shit." Calling someone out for behavior or beliefs isn't hate speech.

So if I call someone out for being Muslim(beliefs) that isn't hate speech? Why is this a one way road?

Also hate speech is speech that contains hate.
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Post Post #1866  (isolation #365)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:21 pm

In post 1864, BROseidon wrote:Because nobody here has said anything along the lines of "Trump is terrible because he is (white/a man/straight/wealthy/etc)."

It's been "Trump is terrible because he's a racist, xenophobic, authoritarian piece of shit." Calling someone out for behavior or beliefs isn't hate speech.

Also I was talking about the personal attack on me not about Trump. Say what you want about him. Just leave me, my religion, and my family out of it.
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Post Post #1868  (isolation #366)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 1868, Shadoweh wrote:Neither being Christian or Muslim is a reason to attack anyone.

I know this is a heated subject but try to keep it civil in here guys.

Lol I don't think anyone said it was
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Post Post #1870  (isolation #367)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:30 pm

In post 1870, Davsto wrote:
In post 1866, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1864, BROseidon wrote:Because nobody here has said anything along the lines of "Trump is terrible because he is (white/a man/straight/wealthy/etc)."

It's been "Trump is terrible because he's a racist, xenophobic, authoritarian piece of shit." Calling someone out for behavior or beliefs isn't hate speech.

So if I call someone out for being Muslim(beliefs) that isn't hate speech? Why is this a one way road?

Also hate speech is speech that contains hate.

By "beliefs" I don't think he meant religious beliefs.

Then belief in what?
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Post Post #1874  (isolation #368)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:47 pm

In post 1873, BROseidon wrote:Like, taking issue with specific aspects of religious doctrine is fine.

Saying all Muslims are terrorists is hate speech.

What if I say a frighteningly large percentage of Muslims are terrorists.
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Post Post #1878  (isolation #369)  » Tue May 10, 2016 4:21 pm

Number is much different than severity first off. Second I was just trying to learn PC with that question I wasn't saying I thought that, it was a what if. Third,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks

Taking numbers from the dates you picked isn't a fair representation of today.
From 1980-2001 there are like 20 listed(this is for easy math number), but after 2005 there are like over 200. That is a huge increase, and about 80% of those 200 where from 2014-2016.
There were twice as many muslim terrorist attacks in 2015 , as there were from 1980-2001. I am in no way against islam, they have the right to believe what they want. However, extremist islam is not islam, but it is growing rapidly.
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Post Post #1882  (isolation #370)  » Tue May 10, 2016 5:30 pm

In post 1880, Davsto wrote:But many of those "terrorist" attacks included involve the violent conflicts - I'm talking literal war - that take place in Middle Eastern countries, perhaps more recent wars which didn't exist before. Of course there will be more casualties, especially in those situations. The importance here when it comes to supporting your immigration points are western countries - and from my knowledge, the terrorist attacks in those locations has only increased by a very minor amount. Also, while you've argued my first point, the second still stands.

Actually

Fuckit. It's pointless. There have been 75 pages and you haven't changed your mind, what can I do. You're never gonna change your views, who the fuck am I kidding, acting like facts will persuade you.

I hope you realise that you were wrong in the future. I hope that you change your ways. Goodbye.

I didn't argue the other point because it was valid
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Post Post #1885  (isolation #371)  » Tue May 10, 2016 5:38 pm

In post 1884, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1880, Davsto wrote:Fuckit. It's pointless. There have been 75 pages and you haven't changed your mind, what can I do. You're never gonna change your views, who the fuck am I kidding, acting like facts will persuade you.

Eh. I got him to admit that a border wall with Mexico is a very impractical course of action. So, that's progress.

again I don't disagree with a lot you all say, it's the dishonest way people try to discredit him that bothers me. There is a huge difference. I'm not even a republican.
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Post Post #1890  (isolation #372)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:00 am

In post 1890, Dwlee99 wrote:Did anyone hear trump's remark about women having it better?

there is a valid argument there.
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Post Post #1892  (isolation #373)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:11 am

In post 1892, Dwlee99 wrote:Ehh not really? Tbf the wage gap isnt as ridiculous as it seems. I think (correct me if Im wrong) correcting for differences in hours worked and professions the wage gap lowers (I believe it is around 7 cents). When you think about it that adds up. But still there are still prejudices against women. (Yknow like saying.women should be punished for abortions)

first off that isn't in effect so that's not a legitimate point. for instance though. when my wife an I both worked for Wendy's and had our first kid, she got paid time off for 3 months and I got the "privilege" of being able to use my one week vacation with out notice
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Post Post #1899  (isolation #374)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:40 am

In post 1898, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1893, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1892, Dwlee99 wrote:Ehh not really? Tbf the wage gap isnt as ridiculous as it seems. I think (correct me if Im wrong) correcting for differences in hours worked and professions the wage gap lowers (I believe it is around 7 cents). When you think about it that adds up. But still there are still prejudices against women. (Yknow like saying.women should be punished for abortions)

first off that isn't in effect so that's not a legitimate point. for instance though. when my wife an I both worked for Wendy's and had our first kid, she got paid time off for 3 months and I got the "privilege" of being able to use my one week vacation with out notice

You didn't have to push a child out between your legs.

is this a road we really want to go down?
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Post Post #1900  (isolation #375)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:40 am

In post 1897, Psyche wrote:
In post 1893, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1892, Dwlee99 wrote:Ehh not really? Tbf the wage gap isnt as ridiculous as it seems. I think (correct me if Im wrong) correcting for differences in hours worked and professions the wage gap lowers (I believe it is around 7 cents). When you think about it that adds up. But still there are still prejudices against women. (Yknow like saying.women should be punished for abortions)

first off that isn't in effect so that's not a legitimate point. for instance though. when my wife an I both worked for Wendy's and had our first kid, she got paid time off for 3 months and I got the "privilege" of being able to use my one week vacation with out notice


which presidential candidate do you think is most likely to support extended paid family leave for men

bernie
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Post Post #1901  (isolation #376)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:43 am

also my point was to the wage gap. if a woman at wendys spends 9 months working while pregnant, then effectively is that not a 33% raise effectively
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Post Post #1904  (isolation #377)  » Wed May 11, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 1904, BROseidon wrote:Also that taking the time off to raise a child permanently damages earning potential.

it does for men and women though. I have had a fairly hard time balancing my career and my family and my career has suffered
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Post Post #1906  (isolation #378)  » Wed May 11, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 1906, BROseidon wrote:Yeah, but we, as a society, expect women to take that hit.

that is unfair my dad stayed home with me as a child as my mother finished her mba and climbed sprints corporate ladder. Now she owns a multi million dollar pr firm and he makes 60k as a sales man for dickies pants
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Post Post #1907  (isolation #379)  » Wed May 11, 2016 1:02 pm

you are correct for the history of our country but in recent years the gender gap has gotten much smaller and in more and more case is flipped
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Post Post #1909  (isolation #380)  » Wed May 11, 2016 1:09 pm

it is something I will ever be able to sympathize with
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Post Post #1910  (isolation #381)  » Wed May 11, 2016 1:09 pm

it is something I will ever be able to sympathize with
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Post Post #1915  (isolation #382)  » Wed May 11, 2016 2:46 pm

In post 1912, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1907, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1906, BROseidon wrote:Yeah, but we, as a society, expect women to take that hit.

that is unfair my dad stayed home with me as a child as my mother finished her mba and climbed sprints corporate ladder. Now she owns a multi million dollar pr firm and he makes 60k as a sales man for dickies pants

Shotty, you have "everything is okay with me and mine, therefore everything is okay in the world" blinders on.

Isn't your mom the exception to the rule? What percentage of CEOs, CFOs, Presidents, and executives of multi-million dollar companies are female? Is it between 40-60%?

No, my mother is the exception, but she is an exception that 20 years ago wouldn't have been able to find a client. Times have changed, and will continue to do so. Maybe I am a fool, but I feel that humanity will evolve and we as a society will grow to be more tolerant over time. All a government mandate does is piss off the people who oppose it even more, and make those on the fence begrudgingly go along with it.
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Post Post #1917  (isolation #383)  » Wed May 11, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 1917, Dwlee99 wrote:People shouldnt be able to discriminate against you, I dont care if it would piss intolerant people off.

have you seen the running man with sly?
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Post Post #1920  (isolation #384)  » Wed May 11, 2016 3:41 pm

In post 1919, Dwlee99 wrote:No clue what that is

sorry it was demilition man, with Sylvester Stallone. watch it. it's from the 80s
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Post Post #1955  (isolation #385)  » Wed May 11, 2016 7:52 pm

In post 1945, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1933, KuroiXHF wrote:I also never denied a problem with sexism in this country. I just know that it's wrong to force companies to do the right thing

Oof, I kinda want to educate you on the history of your own country in regards to how sociopathic businesses have traditionally always been and on how ignoring the problem and hoping "market pressure" is going to magically solve it despite the fact that it never actually does. But I'm lazy and tired.

How many active boycotts do you currently personally have running, Kuroi? Are you prepared to list the manufacturers of products you own and get audited on how ethically okay you are with how they are run?

Here's the problem with this KK. You are asking out government to regulate morality, and this is impossible. Second, I am prepared to go through my list if you'd like. If you not like the way a company operates does not stop you from buying the product then you obviously don't care that much and are just bitching to bitch. It is hypocritical to say hey company I hate everything you do but here is my money.
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Post Post #1957  (isolation #386)  » Wed May 11, 2016 8:12 pm

Businesses like people have the right to be, in your subjective opinion, ass holes
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Post Post #1959  (isolation #387)  » Wed May 11, 2016 8:17 pm

In post 1959, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1956, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Here's the problem with this KK. You are asking out government to regulate morality, and this is impossible.


Welp guess the government doesn't do anything and murder is legal and shit!

Murder is more than just a moral problem.
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Post Post #1961  (isolation #388)  » Wed May 11, 2016 8:23 pm

In post 1961, Shadoweh wrote:Donald Trump would definitely approve of the direction this thread has taken.

and do you not? or do you simply throw discrediting derogatory statements off the cuff
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Post Post #1966  (isolation #389)  » Wed May 11, 2016 9:37 pm

the room is a metaphor for places of employment.

also kk what bleeds more your heart or your [not finishing this for fear of ledt wing oppression of my freedom of speech]
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Post Post #1973  (isolation #390)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:18 pm

In post 1972, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1960, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1959, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1956, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Here's the problem with this KK. You are asking out government to regulate morality, and this is impossible.


Welp guess the government doesn't do anything and murder is legal and shit!

Murder is more than just a moral problem.


No it's strictly a moral problem because everything fundamentally touches morality.

You contradicted yourself there. How can everyhing be strictly moral but everything just touch morality?
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Post Post #1978  (isolation #391)  » Thu May 12, 2016 1:27 am

I don't agree with the idea that I shouldn't want to make my and my family's lives better because other places suck. Yes I am American and I am quite proud and privileged to be one. However I have seen lesser parts of the world, mexico, canada, Israel, Albania, Turkey, Finland(not really bad there though), Oklahoma (that state is worse than mexico). I understand that I am lucky, but I have no guilt that stems from that. My family has worked it's ass offand always have my great great and a few more greats grandfather was William Penn. My 3 times great grandfather owned one of the first oil drilling companies in ohio. my great uncle owns and operates the only moon shine distillery in ohio. My family lost most everything after world war one, but my grand father shoveled coal for 1 dollar a ton to pay for school and became head of engineering and thermodynamics for BP. My uncle is cto of liberty mutual. my mother owns a large pr firm, and I am 22 and already an IT director. There is a difference in having privilege and pissing it away and actually being raised to desire accomplishment. My family is fairly wealthy in most cases, but I've never seen a dime. Not for university, food, rent, or anything. Just because I had a social and geographical predisposition does not mean I should feel guilty or be any less free in enjoying my pursuit of happiness.
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Post Post #1980  (isolation #392)  » Thu May 12, 2016 1:36 am

i was born that way don't judge me
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Post Post #1983  (isolation #393)  » Thu May 12, 2016 7:53 am

In post 1983, Shadoweh wrote:If only those poors would work harder, They Could Make It

Maybe not always, but the way to create success out of poverty is not to make the poor dependant on the government
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Post Post #1985  (isolation #394)  » Thu May 12, 2016 8:04 am

In post 1985, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1984, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1983, Shadoweh wrote:If only those poors would work harder, They Could Make It

Maybe not always, but the way to create success out of poverty is not to make the poor dependant on the government

I don't disagree, but the question is how do you help foster that self-sufficiency?

If you simply cut funding, then some might do okay, but others might completely flounder and negative results occur (death, crime, drugs, etc.)

A large amount of people who receive aid already do that. At the very least we need to drug test before we give welfare out
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Post Post #1987  (isolation #395)  » Thu May 12, 2016 8:21 am

In post 1987, Kublai Khan wrote:Oof. That chestnut.

Have much does the average drug test cost to administer, process, and analyze.

Its not about that. Btw this is coming from an ex smack addict and a man who still like a nice bing rip on Saturday night. The point isn't to be fiscally sound her but rather promote a life style that may help you not need government aid in the long.wrong. spending twice as much on people is fine, so long as it results in them needing help for half as long
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Post Post #1988  (isolation #396)  » Thu May 12, 2016 8:21 am

basically I support a hand up not a hand out
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Post Post #1990  (isolation #397)  » Thu May 12, 2016 9:15 am

In post 1990, itlepip wrote:Its a dumb argument shotty because drug tests cost between 10 and 30 dollars and there are 100 million people who have some sort of welfare (because welfare is fricken everywhere and helps basically everyone who doesn't have William Penn as an ancestor). So that would be between 1-3 billion dollars not counting processing and bureucratic costs. Good job Shotty!

That's the issue, the question of drug tests don't matter because you just threw away 3 billion dollars to prove a point.

BTW all of Penns money was lost in the 1800s we went from owning Delaware and Pennsylvania to beig just as poor as everyone else in the great depression. My family are just incredibly smart and hard workers. Secondly, you are failing to acknowledge the money we wouldn't spend because of all the people on welfare that are on drugs. Also if people had to sober up in order to get welfare they wouldn't need welfare for as long! I think it i safe to assume that at least 1% of people on welfare use some sort of recreational drug. So let's do math. Roughly one trillion is spent on welfare annually, so lets take 100 million people and multiply that by 30 dollars. We get 3 billion dollars. 3 billion is roughly .3% of one trillion. so increase spending by .3%(by the way hillary want to double spending) and if only 1% fail, not to mention the people who just won't apply, and I believe they number is much higher than 1%, but even if we assume only 1% we still spend less money.
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Post Post #1993  (isolation #398)  » Thu May 12, 2016 9:37 am

In post 1993, itlepip wrote:
In post 1989, drmyshottyizsik wrote:basically I support a hand up not a hand out


So like higher quality free education then?

yes
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Post Post #1996  (isolation #399)  » Thu May 12, 2016 9:50 am

In post 1992, itlepip wrote:I couldn't find a single source that supported anything close to 1 trillion dollars. Forbes suggests about 220 billion.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/mikepatt ... o-2014.jpg

Also Hillary doubling spending is only on Alzheimer research. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... arch/?_r=0 Couldn't find any source to support the claim for across the board doubling because its obviously bullshit. Like seriously are your facts just whatever feels nice at the time, where are you getting this shit?

Glad to hear that your family is so smart and hardworking, congrats.

"CRS identified 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that together represented the single largest budget item in 2011—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion."
this is straight from a report from senate.gov
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also how about
this
also there is a Washington post article about it. You didnt look very hard
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