NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

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VOTE: Xkfyu

Let's start here.

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There's been 3 wagons I've been dead set on wanting this game.

Ricastle, SRMP, and PK.

Notice that all 3 of them got lynched.

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Oh, so you are the last scum.

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Unless Robster dictates that I need to case you I won't.

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Rob, if I was scum

I fought to the fucking death to keep almost alive and to lynch PK.
Then I night killed Almost?

All of my what.

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Unress u r le 1-shot strongman or whatnot.

and planning to push a lynch on me on the grounds that 'WELL AJ AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN JAILED THO SO'.

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I mean most people in the game were scumreading Almost50.
The only really notable things about Almost50's end of the game was that he was aiding me in the PK lynch, that he townread me to fuck, and that he was scumreading Xkfyu.
So if scum wanted to push a lynch on me or weaken my control over the game he's the obvious night kill.
If scum was me, not so much.

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Ascetic applies and is more likely. Strongman was merely an example.

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What if AJ is scum?

So no.

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I'm trying to push your lynch because if Cobbler is scum he's obviously NOT ascetic.

So he's not a threat.

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Because I think you could easily be ascetic scum.

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If AJ can be ascetic scum, you can be ascetic scum.

CObbler isn't ascetic scum because if he was ascetic scum he'd have shot last night.

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If YOU had shot Robster that leaves you in a situation with

Aj and Cobbler as Jailkeeper innos
Myself as widely townread and PR
and you.

So no, you wouldn't.

AJ probably owuld though.

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bye scum.

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I don't need to case you.
That's scum rxn through and through.
I love how you have the ego to think that after I ripped through SRMP and PK that I couldn't do the same to you.
I haven't because I don't see the point.
You seem to think that your scumgame is so good. It's not. Bye.

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'There isn't one' isn't how you say 'I am town'

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Case me man.

You're fucking weaksauce.

You pose about as much of a threat to me as the kleenex that I just blew my nose in.

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Oh, and if you're actually town?

Grats on managing to be Axle and literally managing to be wrong on

every single one of your reads

this game.

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we're lynching cobbler and jailing xk if for whatever reason we're wrong. Xk isn't dying here.

You have no say.

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5 scum.

lol.

that's what you have to argue?

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you have no power over me.

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emptier than that space inside your skull.

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You have stood between me and a town victory this entire game.

I grow weary of it.

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Plus I think you're scum.

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You're not worth my time to make denials to.

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wrong.

if AJ or you are ascetic we will be forced to make a decision of which of you two we want to lynch tomorrow.

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If the game is not over after we lynch Cobbler, then you decide on whether you want to jail me or RC. Don't announce it in the thread. Don't hint at it. Just decide during the night and tell us in D8.

Lol fuck no.

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You remind me of scum!Sircakez.

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lol.

cobbler flipping scum and the game not ending is an impossibility.

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Cobbler isn't getting flipped today though.

God you're so fucking scum.

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There was no known jailkeeper the night prior.

Durdurdur.

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For Xkfyu's point of view, the clear answer is that Cobbler would be semi cleared, as would you, forcing him into a 1v1 with me as the 'non cleared' players that he's obviously going to lose.
Even if he's not ascetic by no killing tonight and no killing tomorrow he introduces WIFOM as to whether scum is no killing or whether the scum is jailed. Likely to lose still? Yes, but it makes more sense than killing.

For you to be scum you would have had to play horribly suboptimally last night: I agree.

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No, you tried to quicklynch Cobble on the jailkeeper 'guilty'.

I pulled everyone away from it because it's mathematically suboptimal and pushed a lynch on you instead.

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No, it's not.
If one of you is ascetic they can take advantage of the mislynch.
Cobbler is not ascetic and therefore can't take advantage of any mislynches.

RC, why are you so concerned about Robster stating who he is going to jail at night?

*facepalm*

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Robster, hurry your ass up and lynch this clown.

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No, I'm going to consider an ascetic because it's the right fucking play and I don't trust either you or XK enough to be OK only having the opportunity to lynch one of you.

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No, but it does give you claim space to night kill him and either say 'HEY CLEARLY I WASN'T TARGETED' or if role blocked to say 'YEAH BUT SCUM COULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEY'D BE TARGETED SO THEY NKED'

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Umm.

Everything in this game suggests that you could be scum.

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Tell you what.

If you apologize in postgame for being obnoxious as hell I'll tell you why I think you're scum here.

Deal?

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That's an odd way to talk about me preventing you from facing autolose.

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Who do you think is scum, and why?

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And you're right, autolose was not the correct terminology.

But you need to do fucking something. All I remember from your slot is you hard defending all the flipped scum since you replaced in.

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Like it doesn't matter since this is autowin going by my strategy.

But I don't want to hate every single remaining potential townie besides Robster.

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Scummy RXN but this is autowin if we do things my way so I'm maintaining the course.

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XK is not paranoia.

I'm like 55-40-5 on Cobbler > Xk > You

I want XK first.

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So, you scum?

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No, I didn't.

I want my autowin at any rate.

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If I weren't town there's a billion better ways that I could have played this out besides this.

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fwiw, this is possibly the least cooperative game I've ever played as of day 5 and it's entirely because of you.

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I tried cooperating with you.

You wouldn't lay off me for an entire day phase and I was unable to get anything productive done because I was trying to change your read on me.

I will do my best to avoid playing with you again.

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What could I possibly have done this game to earn a townread from you?
What could Almost have possibly done this game to earn a townread from you?

What were you actually right on this game, XK, that justifies you relentlessly hassling me and Almost to the point that Almost stopped caring and I wanted to replace out?

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Like this lynch wasn't based on a grudge, contrary to your assertions.

But if it was and it was done by someone else I could entirely see why.

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And don't say that I didn't ask you to leave me alone because I did. several times.

And from your reaction you're not even scumreading me; so what was the point of you pushing me this entire game? Even into today?

Don't try to take the moral high ground when I told you to shove off and you responded that you don't care.

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Well, that explains why Titus is the way she is then.

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Lynching AJ unless Cobbler wants to scumclaim and save us the time.

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If he was he would have killed the first night that he was jailed.

4690 is basically a scumclaim so I'm sorely tempted to just vote him and save the two days but ugh.

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He is not, however, playing like he has an ace up his sleeve.

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I was gonna wait for AJ but I'm like

ehh

no really in the mood to wait for AJ?

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whatevs.

VOTE: Aj

Farewell my most admirable adversary.

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Well the mod informed me that the 'locked in' feature is not relevant to any gameplay mechanics so that's intent to vote Cobbler unless you have something you want to say.

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ready to end this?

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you first. I called hammer.

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I'm going to bed in like 3 minutes so if you haven't hammered by then the game will have to wait.

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I wish PK didn't get so mad at me for bussing him.

I'll have to smooth things over.

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Bye Cobbler.

gg

VOTE: Cobblerfone

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lol jk I'm town.

you were town too rite?

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no but guess what.

I'm not a bulletproof.

guess what I actually am?

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just to ensure this win.

Dayvig: Golden Robster[/vote]

and yes, it's confirmed that I can shoot in twilight.

so it doesn't even matter

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Dayvig: Golden Robster[/vote]

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ARE YOU

Dayvig: Golden Robster

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Nah JK. I'm not dayvig.

Can you guess what I am?

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what are you fucking at.

D:

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yeah.

I did the shit I did D1 because I wanted to keep the Seer alive.

Also wanted to claim BP so I wouldn't get night killed because fuck yeah radiant being alive till lylo.

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You were town right? I can go to sleep safely?

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You're actually scum?

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Why didn't you, like, night kill?

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Yeah I was like

I can't even imagine Cobbler town.

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>.>

That sounds like something scum would say.

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If I mishammered can you tell me now so I can brood about it for a while?

I don't like how evasive you're being

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Robster pls monkey's honour claim alignment.

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k good. me go to bed.

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PK, everything in my final few posts had been established from the beginning of the day.
People don't listen to logic. people listen to narratives. hence why I play the way I do.
you will notice that it work(ed). I choose my targets based on real logic then I pile bullshit on to get them lynched.
it also worked with SRMP. so do all manner of lynches that I lead and the people I lead them on accuse it of being craplogic.
after the fact that I actually posted my case in it's entirety at the end of the game in response to your negative reaction you should know full fucking well better than to think that I had no reason. me lynching your scummy ass is not ruining the game, it's me saving it.

And no. I softed PR like crazy D1 because I wanted to get nightkilled and keep the Seer alive.
I claimed Vig because I felt like it was one of the few things that could eat a NK over Seer.
Then I was left later in the game with tons of baggage from my PR softing and no real way to get out without probably being put under a ton of pressure for it.
So I made the right decision; I pretended it was all because I was a BP. It worked out great. It cleaned up a massive mess and guaranteed that I'd be alive to endgame.
The entire 'hider' wall was because I wanted to fish from you what the nature of your thinking of my slot really was because I wanted to test if you had a role cop of some sort because that would heavily implicate XK. It wasn't because I actually thought you thought that I was a hider.

Call it bad logic if you want. Ricastle did absolutely nothing and I have little regrets about it. I maintain that I probably would have townread Blackstar again after an extended reread because his ISO and interactions as I mentioned make him obvious town. So in terms of lynches that I actually hard pushed I was 2 for 3 and I'm happy with that.
And yeah, I stalled the game 4 days. but you can't possibly say that I'm playing against my wincon when I clearly illustrated why I felt that it would obtain autowin. And it did! We won!
and don't say I didn't make it abundantly clear throughout that I was 85%+ sure that it was Cobbler; I just wanted to make sure.

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I play to win and everything I did in this game was in pursuit of that win that I was playing for.

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And don't call me out when SRMP and PK lynches were both my babies and I fought hard against Nero's mislynch.

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And Fragger, that game where I deathtunneled you and you were town?

In case you'd forgotten,

I was scum.

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where was my logic bad >.>

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If werewolves deserved to won they would have won, Fragger.

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I think the theme is more scum getting lucky breaks than town.
Ricastle and Nero, both of our legitimate mislynches, literally afked from thread and wouldn't respond to pressure Nero would never have had a ghost of a chance if Xk wasn't gung ho deathtunneling me.
I feel like you wanted scum to win and that's colouring your perception of this game. And again, the BP claim only helped town.

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I also will point out things that irk me during the game & the feel of the game. The VT fake PR claim is never beneficial to town.

Explain how it was not beneficial to town.

In what way was town efforts hindered by my bulletproof claim?

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And that's not what I mean.
You posted quite a bit with the WW team. You took their case in dead thread.
You identified with the WW team and the WW team lost.

I make no secret of the fact that when I moderate games I identify far more with town and am universally rooting for them.
Is that bad? no. it just is, it doesn't influence the game and I'm not implying that you did.
but I feel like town fully deserved to win this.

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Bluerose, maybe. it was a good cop check.
But SRMP? PK? neither were like lucky end of day lynches. they were hard fought and won by town.
And it's not even about me not getting night killed because I was jailkept until the BP claim.

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Man you're a sore loser PK.
I proved that I had a legitimate backing behind my push on you before you were confirmed as scum.
And for you to try to get listmod interference and get me modkilled to try and get the win? go fuck yourself mate.

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don't understand why everyone needs to feel the need to attack the town win here.
yes a lot of townies made equally horrible decisions, but we pulled through and figured our shit out.
scum play always looks 'better' because they actually know what's going on.

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I tried to push the lynch elsewhere several times.

I didn't get to the point that I did later because I still held out hope that Xk could be reasoned with.

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My reads in that game were indeed not real flash (worse than normal), having been right about a number of reads (towns and a scum) in the early game I then proceeded to mislynch (be the main/large proponent of) a few townies before PK decided he didn't want to even play the game and LOL hammered in 3 man LYLO without even talking much at all. Other bad shit also happened that threw a likely win away, and that shit posting/play had nothing to do with me.... (but its proponents are living in denial of it...)

1) you literally pushed on every single town player in the game. I can provide evidence.
2) you literally objected to the UTL and Massive lynches every single time they came up.
3) no, you're not going to be in any games with me because I'm not going to play with you.

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Yo seriously someone fucking unvote Nero.

I'm not doing that shit today.

Let's get AJ.

did you notice that the vast majority of people in this game are not scumreading me?

they're correct.

and no, I'm not acting scummy at all. you're just not good at generating reads.

you should unvote Nero.

just a few examples in between the constant Xkfyu trying to push on me.

I'm not rewriting history at all

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but yeah, I will stop dragging your name through the mud.
in the immediacy of both of these games the parallels between the both of you were too strong not to point out.
I will not mention your name in games from this point further.

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you're the one living in the past.
I said I'd drop it. I mentioned your name a few times the day after that game ended. I did not continue to do so.
I'm done with you. stop posting here.

Who was also town.

You're criticizing my town play in a game that I carried that you weren't even in.

go away.

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no, you won't see me around.

shoo.

you are not in this game. bye.

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like I don't even hold a grudge against you.
you played poorly but you played to win. I can respect that.
but I don't want you following me around posting in my postgames.

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Axle stop fighting to be right because you're not right.
I clearly proved that I did in fact fight the Nero lynch as I said.
And this is in a game that you weren't even present in.

And no, all of my claims are true. You were wrong about all your reads.
As long as I was in the game you tried to lynch all 6 towns alive at at least one point and hard defended all of the scum all of the time.
Nero thing has been established. Everything else I said in post game has been established; the mod even backed up that I had roleblocked Massive like I said.

Yes, that wasn't quite 'the immediacy. I extended the analogy because I had used it earlier in the game. Even a few weeks after is still close enough to be considered in the immediacy.

I will not bring you up in future games.
In return, you will stop posting here.

If you continue posting here I will continue to use your name as an example, not of bad play, but of someone who is not only a bad player but whose ego is absolutely out of control.
shoo.

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whereas i provided actual examples where it it is false, including the D1 scum lynch..... Pretty hard to be wrong when my read flipped scum D1...

I specified that you were correct about that one read.

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Do you have some pathological need to get the last word when you in fact have nothing to say?