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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:17 am

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/confirm

This playerlist is pretty good
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:30 am

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In post 10, camn wrote:
avatars are required here. this is your only warning
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This particular shade of blue is borderline unreadable on MafBlack. Please could you stick to the shades of blue used in the opening post? Thanks!


--ok
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 12, Antihero wrote:
In post 0, camn wrote:I have pickles, Rye whiskey, and there is an actual cask of wine in the cellar

your apartment has a cellar...?

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Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:50 am

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In post 17, DO NOT TALK TO US wrote:/CONFIRM

In case we forget to sign our posts, here's an easy guide: DRK is the one who sounds drunk. lalaladucks is the one who IS drunk (but don't tell her I said that)

Your signature is perfect here
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Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 30, You Got Schooled wrote:VOTE: Davsto

Ow my feelings

VOTE: Aiden
I don't give a damn about your niece
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Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:52 am

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Well excuuuuuse me princess
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Post Post #126 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:12 pm

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so i read through those five pages

someone took a shit, someone got confused about brandi's death, pisskop is just being a pain, Fire is probably town
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Post Post #138 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:29 am

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Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto
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Post Post #148 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:53 am

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In post 141, Antihero wrote:
In post 138, Davsto wrote:Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh
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Post Post #159 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:00 am

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I think sarcasm is just an Antihero thing to be fair

por ejemplo

In post [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7366500#p7366500]1550[/url], Davsto wrote:I said a hip, lop,
Hippie to the hippie,
The hip, hip a lop, and you don't stop, a rock it
To the bang bang boogie, say, up jump the boogie,
To the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.

In post [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=7366547#p7366547]1551[/url], Antihero wrote:
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neutral mainstream loser with no taste
, has been modkilled for being fucking lame.


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Post Post #168 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:30 am

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In post 167, Marquis wrote:can we all just shut up and lynch davyboy
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Post Post #176 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:58 am

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tbf I am like 100% the scummiest player in this game rn
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Post Post #177 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:00 am

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In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

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Post Post #200 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:11 am

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dude you said that was gonna be your sig :P
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Post Post #201 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:11 am

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In post 198, You Got Schooled wrote:I'm here and catching up.

8 pages already. Fantastic. Just fantastic.

8 is a very big number, to be fair
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Post Post #203 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:23 am

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In post 202, You Got Schooled wrote:Prepping myself for a 40 page D1.

40 pages is nothing
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Post Post #217 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:01 am

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Anyway I think my self-vote got as much interest as it's gonna get

I was expecting more of a kerfuffle really

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Post Post #272 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:12 pm

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In post 251, Aiden Stark wrote:the pisskop that I love

I didn't know it was possible to love pisskop
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Post Post #273 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:13 pm

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In post 271, Fate wrote:The timing of it was such that he seemed nervous about how serious the wagon actually was.

Bull. I unvoted myself not that long after two others had unvoted me. That's kinda the total opposite of what you were saying.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:16 pm

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In post 271, Fate wrote:"haha that self-vote for reactions was great right?" is an easy way to try and diffuse a wagon on yourself.
You mean the wagon that had already diffused a bit? What other reason do you suggest the self-vote was for other than reactions?

He overreacted to the few votes on himself to blow it out of proportion
Show me this "overreacting". The only proper reaction to a vote on me was a very sarcastic "ow my feelings", as far as I remember.
and is now trying to take the wind out of the sails by going in the opposite direction.
Que?
The Marquis vote is awful. What does that have to do with the reactions you were looking for supposedly?
Yeah, you're just not reading my posts, are you? You're talking some bull that is objectively wrong. Use your eyes, find posts like this
In post 177, Davsto wrote:In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

hmm

Where I
literally fucking say
why I vote Marquis and what it has to do with my reactions
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Post Post #289 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:10 am

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what do you call someone else's mother

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Post Post #291 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:20 am

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:(
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Post Post #294 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:55 am

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It ain't your scumday yet where I'm from anti
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Post Post #319 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:18 pm

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In post 306, Performer wrote:Tell me why you think pk is a pain

Just pisskop in general can be kinda annoying

And I didn't vote myself "out of nowhere" per se

First, RVS wagon, I thought I'd be a bit sarcastic and join in
Second, as I have stated before, reactions yay

Tell me, do you have an actual, stateable reason
why
self-voting is bad? Or are you just repeating it because it sounds nice? Right now, it's just sounding like one of those things you just sorta repeat without really getting why.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:22 pm

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In post 316, Fate wrote:I think whats scummier than whatever the fuck my gut read for davsto was before is now that he ISNT voting me.

I mean from his POV, if hes town, my horribly half-assed case that was full of incorrect information should've pinged him a lot harder and launched me to the top of his scumlist.

Instead.... Marquis is really a better vote?

Doesn't seem like actually trying to find/lynch scum
Honestly, it did just read like you just read through the thread and it stuck out in your mind. While I'm me, and I remember stuff like people voting/unvoting me around certain times, you're not me and thus it's hardly unreasonable for you to not really take note of it. If you catch up 7 or so pages as you did at once, generally speaking I know from experience only the big stuff really sticks out. Hell, the justification for my Marquis vote came several votes before my post.

The fact that your reaction was just "oh shit yeah" rather than trying to bullshit your way into justifying it makes me think a bit more town too.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:22 pm

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In post 320, Fate wrote:Do you want to dance or not clown

Patience, writing posts on tablet takes a while :P
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Post Post #330 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:28 pm

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You do know when signing up there's an option where you say "this account is an alt" and as a result you don't have to go through the confirmation bit?

Tips for the future

Also idk your playstyle anyway because I've never played with you
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Post Post #331 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:29 pm

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In post 326, Marquis wrote:dav i am town and we both know it

I think neither of us know you're town

:igmeou:
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Post Post #348 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:10 am

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No offence but you do kinda have a hydra head who does have quite a bit of experience with me

Maybe ask him ;)
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Post Post #351 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:29 am

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I don't believe in the development of events outside a person's control, regarded as predetermined by a supernatural power.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:34 am

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I know, I was being snarky :P

They don't seem scummy, they just seem kinda not with it at that point where there was a little conflict

Probably something to do with them not having played a game on here for quite a while :P
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Post Post #356 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:41 am

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I mean, I have a town lean on you, so the answer to that question seems kinda obvious.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:27 am

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In post 148, Davsto wrote:
In post 141, Antihero wrote:
In post 138, Davsto wrote:Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh
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Post Post #373 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 369, You Got Schooled wrote:Caught up.

I'll lynch any of Davsto, Fate, Performer, Marquis and Kahlan.

My favourite Mini scumteams
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Post Post #374 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 370, You Got Schooled wrote:VOTE: Davsto

I feel as if I'm becoming an easy target at this point.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #35) » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:57 am

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@Aiden
In post 371, Davsto wrote:
In post 148, Davsto wrote:
In post 141, Antihero wrote:
In post 138, Davsto wrote:Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh
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Post Post #459 (isolation #36) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:47 pm

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In post 453, Antihero wrote:someone asked me why i think davsto's scum and i don't. my vote for him at the beginning was shameless bandwagoning.

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Post Post #460 (isolation #37) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:49 pm

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In post 458, You Got Schooled wrote:Oh and still no wagons forming.

Scum paradise this is. But y'all just chugga along, doing what ya gotta do, and when you wanna actually start progressing the game.

Come find me.

Can I ask why you're complaining about the lack of wagons and the lack of progression without any attempt to, you know, actually do either of those things in your post.

If you're gonna bitch about a problem, don't be the one helping to cause it.

Plus, we
do
have over a week left. Don't sweat it.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:18 pm

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yeah fuckit this is a better vote than Marquis

VOTE: You Got Schooled

They asked for a wagon with momentum, I say give it to 'em.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #39) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:28 pm

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In post 559, DO NOT TALK TO US wrote:Davsto still (frustratingly) probtown

Why "frustratingly"?
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Post Post #564 (isolation #40) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:54 pm

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Lovely.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:17 am

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Guys let's just lynch YGS

Like

We have a claimed vig with a claimed psychiatrist in the game, and it's fairly obvious what that means

And YGS' flailing makes me lean on the side of them being scum from this exchange alone, nevermind the rest of their play.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:21 am

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no antihero don't say what i think you're about to
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Post Post #704 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:24 am

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that camn actually just put in a regular vig but also a psychiatrist just to piss us off and confuse us?
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Post Post #705 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:24 am

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and there is no actual sk?
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Post Post #707 (isolation #45) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:25 am

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oh good

continue >.>
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Post Post #710 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:32 am

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hmm

care to elaborate?
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Post Post #721 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:03 pm

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So YGS probably is an SK because I doubt camn would pull the same "psych but no sk" twice

Or Tire isn't a psych but that seems a bizarre fakeclaim with little prompting
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Post Post #725 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:07 pm

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...is camn the kind of mod that would do that just to screw with the players then?
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Post Post #737 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:33 pm

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In post 734, Performer wrote:-Doesn't Psych have to live, in order to convert an SK to VT? Yet it's being talked about that if Tire died from YGS, then Tire would successfully convert him. That doesn't sound realistic

Nope, pretty sure it would successfully go through. Killing a player doesn't stop them using their action in the night they die.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:51 pm

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In post 740, DO NOT TALK TO US wrote:plz tell me if there's an e

:?:
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Post Post #744 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:54 pm

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*backs away slowly*
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Post Post #777 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:27 am

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Yeah, I think that's the problem with self-meta. It's not scummy, just unreliable; as true as the meta may be, the fact that the player is aware of their own meta in a certain area makes it immediately unreliable.

I'm not sure if I'd be able to count the number of times I brought up me being crap as scum in Paint Mafia as a point.

I don't scumread people for self-meta, but I ignore any advice it gives :P
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Post Post #779 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:30 am

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Is 778 at me or Xk?
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Post Post #805 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:59 am

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@mod - does this game use Natural Action Resolution for actions?
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Post Post #807 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:04 am

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Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions for the purpose of the Golden Rule.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:05 am

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Wait I just read on and afterwards it mentions recruitment which this essentially is

Ugh
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Post Post #809 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:06 am

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@camn if a Psychiatrist targets a Serial Killer who, on the same night, is attempting to kill the Psychiatrist, what results would occur regarding death and conversion?
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Post Post #814 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:49 am

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Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:50 am

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It's starting to sound more and more like you're worrying you'll be found out to be lying
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Post Post #818 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:03 am

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yeah it's 11 PM over here give me until the morning thanks
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Post Post #820 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:08 am

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In post 819, Tiresias wrote:only an alive Tiresias can verify whether they've healed YGS or not,

But you're obviously not going to intentionally target someone else. Why would you need to be alive to testify that? Sure, you could have been roleblocked or redirected, but you wouldn't know that, whether you were dead or not.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:52 am

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Okai Tire, you were telling the truth. Don't see why you were kicking up such a fuss over a quick mod question but hey ho

Also oh fuck, kuribo, please don't kill me >.>
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:25 pm

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In post 835, Performer wrote:Curious question - Davsto, would you say you are more or less the same as last year in playing your town game or did you change drastically?

Eh, my town game tends to be inconsistent in style, especially depending on who I play with (for example, it's often a tad more aggressive when playing with players such as RC). I would say I've improved a decent amount, but my actual style hasn't really "drastically" changed.

Okay Performer's reaction test/role fish was a little very dodgy. But idk if that's not just Performer not really thinking before doing. Admittedly, last time I played with him as scum he did a stupid thing really early, but people who do stupid things as scum tend to do them as town too.

Also, oh dear, kuribo and pisskop in the same game together. Sheesh. Bad.

In post 986, DO NOT TALK TO US wrote:Is it x trackers in the town or x in the game?
Something about this question is a bit off. Hm.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:25 pm

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The vast majority of the last bunch of pages was basically pisskop and kuribo yelling at each other.

That's basically useless to me, since I know from experience that pisskop consistently enjoys riling up others, and I know from out-of-game prior knowledge that kuribo gets angry in games and shouts a lot, and that to a large extent his anger is an exaggerated persona, potentially why it came off as "fake".

Fuckall else happened, although I still need to answer Tire's questions.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:35 pm

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In post 1007, Fate wrote:oh you've been alurking fuck huh

Lurking when? Over the last 7 or 8 pages?

Because seriously, timezones. Not my fault.

My last post () was at almost midnight last night, just before I went to sleep.

My first post after that, () was at half eight this morning, soon after waking up.

Not lurking. Just sleeping.

A Tracker claim is inconsequential when there are enough town trackers that there literally exists a role in the game that detects how many trackers there are, so there isn't really much to comment on there.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:57 pm

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Marquis' claim makes sense.

We know from two people claiming Tracker (kuribo and pisskop) that there is more than one Tracker.

Marquis' role makes perfect sense, as it stops the main problem of putting multiple identical town roles in - it stops an inevitable and unfair counterclaim lynch (or maybe even two if town follows it up).

However, it still allows a counterclaim of sorts, since if more trackers claim than Marquis knows exist, then shit goes down.

It makes pretty much perfect sense in a game which - as has been proven - has more than one tracker.

And I assume the reason Marquis voted DNTTS for asking that is because it's pretty damn rolefishing, to go around asking how many town trackers are in the game.

First, a simple question must me asked:

@camn - do players, when lynched or killed, flip with their role PM or not? Do they flip with their role name as it is in their Role PM?


Since it doesn't matter as long as one town member is aware of how many Trackers there are, ideally we want only Marquis to know until Marquis dies, at which point everyone should hopefully know.

Ideally, we can work out a way to make that happen.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:05 pm

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Also Marquis' role could be a scum role, as scum knowing how many trackers there are
does
makes sense. However, I incredibly doubt this.

Even if Marquis is scum, either them or one of the scumteam almost certainly has the knowledge of the number of town Trackers. Otherwise, it would be extremely risky to claim as it could not be backed up.

But if Marquis is scum with that role, why would they claim? I mean, two town have the same role, watch one claim and then get counterclaimed, easy double lynch in most scenarios. The
only
case in which Marquis is scum is if the partner is kuribo, and Marquis was willing to make an amazingly creative and incredibly risky claim just to protect him. And by risky I mean very very very risky - inevitably tying Marquis to him, and if Marquis is found out to be lying scum we already know who his partner likely is.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #68) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:20 am

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In post 1022, Fate wrote:"ideally we can make a way to make that happen"

Right so my thought is

Marquis' role is a role that we have no idea what it is, right? Like, we know its title is tracker "something", but not what the something is

So he could do something like "if I flip tracker detector, there are 2 trackers in the game, if I flip tracker radar there are 3 trackers in the game..." etc etc, or it could be the amount of punctuation in one paragraph of his role PM or something like that.

So we only know what the number of trackers are when he feels it necessary to claim because there have been too many tracker claims, or when he dies

...

Am I overthinking this?
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:22 am

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Actually scratch that, Anti mentioned that in camn's last game scum had a name cop, so that would actually make scum find out before town did

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Post Post #1030 (isolation #70) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:42 am

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In post 1027, You Got Schooled wrote:Davsto's sudden involvement in the game based around set-up spec is scummy. Set-up spec is a favourite for scum to take part in.

Davsto is prob getting my bullet. I'm also highly demotivated with this game and look forward to D1 ending any time soon.

You're kidding me, right?

1) Setup spec is my jam in general. Seriously. I love setup spec.
2) What do you mean by "sudden involvement"? I've hardly been "distant" for the majority of the game, and if you're talking about timezone related coincidences, well, you can fuck right off.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #71) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:49 am

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You're going to be town after tonight, YGS. Play like it.
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #72) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:57 am

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If you're going to push me, at least don't fucking lie

In post 177, Davsto wrote:In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

hmm

In post 217, Davsto wrote:Anyway I think my self-vote got as much interest as it's gonna get

I was expecting more of a kerfuffle really

VOTE: Marquis

In post 319, Davsto wrote:
In post 306, Performer wrote:Tell me why you think pk is a pain

Just pisskop in general can be kinda annoying

And I didn't vote myself "out of nowhere" per se

First, RVS wagon, I thought I'd be a bit sarcastic and join in
Second, as I have stated before, reactions yay

Tell me, do you have an actual, stateable reason
why
self-voting is bad? Or are you just repeating it because it sounds nice? Right now, it's just sounding like one of those things you just sorta repeat without really getting why.

In post 356, Davsto wrote:I mean, I have a town lean on you, so the answer to that question seems kinda obvious.

In post 148, Davsto wrote:
In post 141, Antihero wrote:
In post 138, Davsto wrote:Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh

In post 553, Davsto wrote:yeah fuckit this is a better vote than Marquis

VOTE: You Got Schooled

They asked for a wagon with momentum, I say give it to 'em.

In post 814, Davsto wrote:Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.
But sure, no attempt at scumhunting

Holy fuck
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #73) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:59 am

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In post 1032, You Got Schooled wrote:Have you been around all game and posting? Sure.

But your posts were seriously lacking any sort of content or scum hunting. But now we're all about set-up spec you're right in there given your 2 cents? Nah, doesn't sit right with me. Scum love set-up spec because scum always have more information than town.

You can eat a bullet. Enjoy.

Also, I personally love setup spec because it's interesting to me, thus that bullshit "scumtell" is entirely irrelevant. Like, I have pretty firmly established I do it whatever alignment I am.

I setup spec however much the fuck I want thank you very much.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #74) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:59 am

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Like setup spec is probably one of the parts of Mafia I enjoy most

Let me enjoy it for fuck's sake
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:05 am

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I find it really funny that you think I'm scum.

Really funny.
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #76) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:07 am

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I also find it pretty scummy you could describe that as "not scumhunting"

I'll make it clear for you since you appear to lack basic reading comprehension.
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:08 am

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In post 177, Davsto wrote:In all seriousness though, I'm unsure how I feel about Marquis' unvote.

Feels kinda like he's worried those on this wagon will have bad connotations in the future and wants to be seen to have unvoted me

hmm
TRYING TO FIGURE MARQUIS' ALIGNMENT
In post 217, Davsto wrote:Anyway I think my self-vote got as much interest as it's gonna get

I was expecting more of a kerfuffle really

VOTE: Marquis
VOTING WHO I THINK IS SCUM TO SEE WHAT SHIT HAPPENS
In post 319, Davsto wrote:
In post 306, Performer wrote:Tell me why you think pk is a pain

Just pisskop in general can be kinda annoying

And I didn't vote myself "out of nowhere" per se

First, RVS wagon, I thought I'd be a bit sarcastic and join in
Second, as I have stated before, reactions yay

Tell me, do you have an actual, stateable reason
why
self-voting is bad? Or are you just repeating it because it sounds nice? Right now, it's just sounding like one of those things you just sorta repeat without really getting why.
INQUIRING INTO PERFORMER'S REASONING TO SEE HOW GENUINE IT FEELS
In post 356, Davsto wrote:I mean, I have a town lean on you, so the answer to that question seems kinda obvious.
TOWNREADS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF FINDING SCUM TOO!
In post 148, Davsto wrote:
In post 141, Antihero wrote:
In post 138, Davsto wrote:Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

you could start talking about your fire townread.

I've played a fair amount with Fire and know him fairly well at this point imo

He didn't really seem to give a shit, whereas the tone he gives as scum is... different

Not great at explaining early gut reads tbh
SEE ABOVE
In post 553, Davsto wrote:yeah fuckit this is a better vote than Marquis

VOTE: You Got Schooled

They asked for a wagon with momentum, I say give it to 'em.
PUSHING A WAGON WHAT I THINK IS SCUM TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS
In post 814, Davsto wrote:Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.
INQUIRING INTO ODD THINGS ABOUT HOW SOMEONE IS CLAIMING THEIR ROLE WORKS BECAUSE SCUM LIE
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:09 am

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You're welcome
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:12 am

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Now YGS, are you going to start being sensible? Because right now your vote is utter, utter bollocks.

Your scumread on me is based on two things:

1) I haven't scumhunted (objectively wrong)
2) I like setup spec (null, I love setup spec regardless)

So, you going to start being useful? Or are you going to be added to my new list of "worst people to give a gun to in mafia"?
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:21 am

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Ahhh, good, apparently everyone is incompetent this game!!!!!

Fucking hell

Like, you're following the wagon of someone who is, in all probability, a serial killer right now

I mean seriously
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:22 am

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In post 1055, Nahdia wrote:what makes u say that

Because there's a claimed psychiatrist and a YGS has claimed vigilante
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #82) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:23 am

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Apparently everyone's suddenly become shit at mafia, how incredible
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #83) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:23 am

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In post 1050, pisskop wrote:like canyou not seriously use exclusively vague objective points to defend yourself

that is

literally

YGS' entire fucking case on me

I shit you not
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #84) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:28 am

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In post 1062, Nahdia wrote:well if the serial killer is softing his role after the psych claimed, that would mean he wants to be converted, right? so he's planning ahead to be town? meaning like, he probably is genuinely scumhunting..?

so what's ur point lol

If the SK kills the Psychiatrist (or "the psychiatrist happens to die" as you people will probably be fooled into believing) they won't be converted.
I bet there's a pretty good chance they're still playing as SK.
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #85) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:28 am

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Also YGS (the "vig") claimed first
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #86) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:32 am

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In post 1068, Nahdia wrote:
In post 1066, Davsto wrote:Also YGS (the "vig") claimed first
then ur theory makes even less sense. what SK would claim early and be so loud to the scumteam like that? ur not convincing me davsto my pal.

SKs are very often NK-immune.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #87) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:34 am

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In post 1070, Nahdia wrote:davsto did that exact same selfvote thing in Legend of Zelda mafia when he got a couple votes and he was scum there!!

Here is how not to use meta

"he did this thing in one game he was scum therefore he's scum in this game obvs"

I've self-voted as town at least once before, I can think of Flower Viewing Festival (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63181), and there's probably another example somewhere.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #88) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:28 am

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VOTE: Do Not Talk To Us

Unless shit happens, YGS
should
be town tomorrow

Meanwhile, my wagon looks hella like a counterwagon. If DNTTU is scum, I'd guess for one of pisskop/Nahdia being scum pushing me as a counterwagon, with the knowledge that YGS was the strongest and first pusher on me and that I'd give him the most negative attention.
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:09 am

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idk

Marquis claiming it does give scum marginally more info than town
Because we'd just know how many trackers there are
But they know how many trackers they do/don't have so they know the number of town trackers

Honestly though I think it's fair to say that the actual number is inconsequential, the actual useful info to either alignment is that there are multiple trackers so it's his choice, the actual info when it's "how many trackers" is basically useless
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:14 am

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In post 1094, pisskop wrote:-Marq is town

I've already explained why this is more than probable

PEdit yeah pretty much what 1095 said. If there are this many trackers, let's face it, one is probably scum.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:16 am

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Fine with scum PT being opened

Sorry for being a shit in the dead thread but, to an extent, this game basically required scum to figure out that there were 7 trackers to take the correct night actions (because optimal was poison then ninja, but any logical player with a 1-shot of each would save them for later in the game when they're more likely to get caught), and even on this rather revealing D1 we didn't do that. (Also you taunting me and insulting my play is behaviour that is honestly unbecoming of a mod imo but that's a topic I say we avoid for sanity purposes).

Also, I still hold the opinion that this game should not have been advertised as having "no novel mechanics", if only because a setup which basically entirely revolved around 7 trackers is probably what I'd describe as novel.

Gg though.
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:05 am

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Yeah, I see that your definition of novel is different to mine :P

I would describe novel as a setup... that is like a gimmick setup? Like, the roles can be normal and all, but the setup itself is weird and non-traditional and revolves around something like an oddly large amount of a role which the setup focuses on as a result, etc.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:13 am

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Aye! Sorry for having a go at you.

Although, reading through the dead thread, Katsuki, that potshot at me behind my back which I couldn't see or reply to because I had been restricted from the thread was uncalled for and rather shitty behaviour if you asked me. Shame on you for that. Thankfully camn had the maturity to move the topic on after.
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