Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[Marquis]

i wasn't invited but i'm /confirming anyway

[Marquis]

gay

[Marquis]

Ow my feelings

town dav wouldn't say this

VOTE: davsto

[Marquis]

no

he's not that boring

[Marquis]

can we all just shut up and lynch davyboy

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:

i keep accidentally playing this game like scum

someone should remind me every 5 pages that i'm actually town this time

[Marquis]

hydras should make their marks

yeah the lack of hydra presence is actually disturbing me for once.

nachgami pls at least attempt to make yourselves sortable.

[Marquis]

can we not scumread me this game. it isn't very fun

[Marquis]

yeah i think fire is maybe being too helpful to be town here

[Marquis]

the concept of a marquis vote itself is indeed awful

i'm sorry i've been useless so far, it's like 2013 all over again. i'll have ample time to rectify that in a few days but not right now.

also the new york times only lets you cancel subscriptions by phone during working hours and by reciting email addresses to people who never seem to be able to successfully pull up an account but i did it! i play the game and sort of won

[Marquis]

j f c

[Marquis]

dav i am town and we both know it

[Marquis]

dav i am town and we both know it

I think neither of us know you're town

:igmeou:

this is a good point

i need you to make more

[Marquis]

dav i am town and we both know it

you shut the fuck up you haven't done a single thing this game

and I swear if youre talking to dav liek this with you're vote on him

i am watching, waiting,

[Marquis]

sorry this is what i do when i have higher priorities for a day or two, dick around

but don't worry. . . It Gets Better

[Marquis]

v/la til sunday, at conference

[Marquis]

i'm back and want to try diving into this tonight. it'll be past midnight though. don't get any hopes up. woo.

a scummary of important plot points, to focus on early in the game for later pages, might be helpful. but not necessary

[Marquis]

same

[Marquis]

what

[Marquis]

i'm so useless let me just go to a meeting and then stare at this some more

[Marquis]

agree????

hm yeah i agree

[Marquis]

i agree with anti but i don't want to vote either of them today

i'm not rereading i'm just assuming anti's posts capture the gist of what's important

anti vote someone else and i'll sheep you

[Marquis]

As it stands, my strong townreads are {Antihero, Fate, Pisskop, DNTTU}, lesser tier is {Aiden, Davesto}. Out of the group left standing, I'd probably guess that Marquis is the likeliest town out of everyone remaining and would strongly prefer Performer death before the Kahlan-ProHawk lurker squad.

what

i'm so useless let me just go to a meeting and then stare at this some more

@anyone who's town tell me that this doesn't disturb you, because it highly disturbs me. Marquis has been super forgettable this game. On top of that, Tire puts Kah, Pro, and Marquis into higher townread than me, and is feeling better lynching me than them. Even if I was an outsider, I'd be thinking that is a big scum move from Tire to talk like that.

People can't possibly think of the Kah/Pro/Marq/Perf squad, that Perf is the best choice of these 4. If you guys do, then I really am at a loss for words .

honestly, man, i am the towniest

[Marquis]

as scum i would be spamming this game with annoying half-walls in the hopes that least half of them would lead to early undeserved townreads on me so i could lurk the rest away

whereas here i have defaulted to my 2013-era blatantly useless check-in post meta while i wait for something to interest me very much a lot

[Marquis]

too bad, it's real

[Marquis]

go back to the wiki

self-meta is necessary because if nobody else is going to draw attention to a glaring flaw in playstyle analysis then you'd better buck up and do it yourself

[Marquis]

go back to the wiki

self-meta is necessary because if nobody else is going to draw attention to a glaring flaw in playstyle analysis then you'd better buck up and do it yourself

I don't need the wiki to tell me how unreliable metas are, especially when the player is aware of their meta.

- Xk

awareness and the initiative to change it are two vastly different things

[Marquis]

so i have proved my awareness but not that i have the time and dedication to change my meta over a prolonged period of time?

no. tell me what your aim is here. are you just making dissatisfied comments because some people once told you self-meta is bad and that's the level of theory you're comfortable with?

or are you trying to lead into a scumread on me? because if that's the case, i want to know now and so does everyone else.

[Marquis]

^ @ xkfyu.

@ dav, i agree that it's unreliable. HOWEVER, self-meta is good in the sense that it can force people to reconcile a read on someone with what they know of them outside of this one game. because a lot of the time, people are content with sticking to stupid arguments when they aren't held accountable for something they know already. performer doesn't know me, but i brought it up for people like pisskop and you who should know by now that scum!me is not [always] just some lame duck, or it should at least make you take the time to re-evaluate based on the meta dimension brought into the discussion.

[Marquis]

VOTE: DNTTU

antiiiii make it more visible next time, i almost missed who to vote for

[Marquis]

Ducky is all but abscent and missing all of her ducky charm

yeah ducky seemed pretty excited for all of this up until actually getting her role pm

[Marquis]

can you please not get banned

[Marquis]

i am so bothered

[Marquis]

i think this is fake?

yeah

[Marquis]

VOTE: kuribo

nah just stop

[Marquis]

And I mean that on the most personal fucking level marquis


You KNOW what that accusation fucking does to me


And you went there


You see me getting pissed and not giving a fuck if I get banned


And you went there


You ain't no fucking kind of friend dude.


Like I could give a fuck that you vote me


But to egg me on

Esp when I'm in a game you're fucking modding, knowing you'll have to replace me if I get banned


And you egg me on


The fuck marquis, what the actual fuck


Fuck you.

:/

i mean i guess i'm hurt that you think i'm trying to, like, egg you on

but when i said i didn't want you to get banned of course that was for real. according to you yourself you were close and doing this with pisskop is bad for that sooo

i also just... honestly didn't believe it? i'm sorry. but it's hard for me to understand. i just didn't think the whole sequence seemed that real, because i guess i'm still paranoid of you acting like this as scum. it felt like it was pulled out of nowhere

maybe i just wasn't thinking but i didn't think it'd upset you. so sorry for that.

:\

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:

it wasn't a reaction test but i am kind of. torn.

anti help me with where to go from here

[Marquis]

i mean, last i checked tracker is a common scum role, so idk why hed be lording it around instead of contenting

i don't consider this relevant, i just don't know how kuribo could tricked or whatever by that.

am i holding him to a higher standard? maybe. but it was pretty obv a reaction test to any experienced player and i don't know why he would claim tracker.

[Marquis]

IM THE TRACKER

lol

[Marquis]

sigh

[Marquis]

pisskop

i am an informed townie who knows there are x trackers in town

i know the x i'm not sharing it but it's more than 1

i didn't expect anyone to outright counterclaim tho

i just felt like kuribo could be a scum version of my role. idk why i didn't consider him actually one of multiple trackers, but i really have no idea how he could claim so quickly like that against an obv reaction test

[Marquis]

why, is it important?

[Marquis]

why, is it important?

Yeah, seems pretty important to me

ok VOTE: DNTTU

[Marquis]

IM THE TRACKER

lol

this was officially my 10000th post
god damn it

[Marquis]

convince me you're town. because your posts this game so far trouble me, and i am seeing practically 0 ducks.

[Marquis]

nahdia you're vigging do not talk to us tonight. no questions. just do it

[Marquis]

anti... so i just know there are at least x trackers in the whole game :/

i get the point about dying with this being worse than revealing it. but truthfully it's a lot weaker info than you think ("you know there are exactly x town trackers" is OP as heck) and i'm not going to bother acting all mysterious again, except if you now think i should still hide the number

[Marquis]

the role name is really just informed townie btw dav

i liked dav's caps funny post but the rest of it is kind of pinging me

[Marquis]

i am an informed townie who knows there are x trackers in town

i was under the impression you knew they were town. in that case you can claim it or not. the number itself is pretty useless. the only thing we really know now is that scum p much have to have a ninja.

nah i wanted to make my role seem more threatening than it is but now i'm just like, nah that's dumb.

i'm not claiming the number then in case of potential scum fakeclaims but i think it's safe to say there are a lot of trackers.

[Marquis]

YGS, who did you target last night?

[Marquis]

I would probably be voting Fate here but I want to look into a few Day 1 interactions to be sure first.

[Marquis]

Not particularly.

I'll devote some time in the next 24 hours.

[Marquis]

Eh, debatable. It took me 3 whole minutes.

[Marquis]

I... don't think I'm scumreading Fate anymore though? Like I really want to take him at his word at his response to me earlier, and oddly enough I like the claim. Unless he's the scum Ninja which would make sense (claiming an actionless role), but... interactions aaaah.

God I need to input time into this, but it's hell week for budgeting and performance. Luckily we have about 2 weeks on the clock - I'm not saying it'll take that long, but it's not like Friday is the deadline. So I'll be back.

[Marquis]

I fakeclaimed, don't worry about it.

[Marquis]

I'm pretty obviously a Tracker. I caught onto how people seemed to be treating the kuribo claim as incompatible with their own, and right after the pisskop claim was like "oh this is a Tracker madness game" so decided to fakeclaim so no other town would feel it necessary to claim too.

Yes, I was reading pisskop as town, but unsure of kuribo until pisskop claimed and multiple town trackers started making sense. You can see this in how I subtly tried to cast doubt on kuribo's claim and he took that personally.

Davsto treating me like that as a scumpartner is kind of ridiculous. Both of us would know better than to organize a scum fakeclaim like this and connect the dots ourselves, instead of letting town do it so we don't build associative tells.

[Marquis]

And there was no way to know there were so many when the claim was made.

That's why I said X trackers. I was BSing my way through it all and changed my claim multiple times over just so any other town trackers wouldn't feel like claiming.

Simply put, once pisskop claimed, I guessed there were a bunch of trackers. Earlier sketchy behaviors in reaction to kuribo claiming also implied this.

Like it or not I made a call and committed to it for as long as I thought was necessary.

By the way, would really like Tiresias to explain why they didn't at least try to submit something. A Psychiatrist not going anywhere last night is one indicator of a possible Ninja. Especially with Anti's setup spec still making a hell of a lot of sense, getting the scum to think any vig claim was an SK.

[Marquis]

so you determined that the setup had multiple trackers, so, instead of saying "hey trackers stop claiming, there's obviously multiple trackers", you pull of that fake claim for... no reason?

Clearly it was a decision made in the moment. Not like I exactly had enough time to react and fakeclaiming was my instinctive response.

[Marquis]

By the way, would really like Tiresias to explain why they didn't at least try to submit something. A Psychiatrist not going anywhere last night is one indicator of a possible Ninja. Especially with Anti's setup spec still making a hell of a lot of sense, getting the scum to think any vig claim was an SK.

i shouldn't have to target anyone as a visitor.
why do i care about submitting night actions when my night action is useless?

anti's setup spec was that we were a mafia psychiatrist. your new setup spec is that we are a ninja psychiatrist.

A player being tracked nowhere when they have a pro-town ability that costs town nothing to use is suspect, and a "no action" is definitely not what I expected to find from you two in particular. Altogether I'd say it's fairly indicative of holding a ninja ability.

[Marquis]

hey, there are probably just a bunch of trackers, stop claiming

Now that you've mentioned this, I remember part of what I was thinking was that I didn't exactly want to reveal that I was a Tracker too.

I don't get why this supposedly doesn't make sense to you, while you ignore how not at least attempting a psych action makes more sense than not. And as town submitting an action could potentially exempt you from being ninja.

[Marquis]

Saying there are a bunch of trackers implies "I think this because I am one of them" to scum, unless I claim something useless that achieves the same effect.

I tracked Davsto to nowhere-because-he-died Night 1. I was wary of that exact behavior buddying up to me. Not really too relevant now because the target now is WIFOM.

[Marquis]

I'm finding it hard to believe you don't recognize my reasoning as obvious already. This is why I'm also hung up on you not going anywhere with your psych action, because for the both of you, Tiresias, I feel like you're vultures circling over a dead point. And I do expect if you're going to push me on something you'd choose a more substantial argument, rather than this process that looks like you chose me as a target first and are selectively interpreting my t responses to fit your scum narrative.

pisskop I already claimed to track Tiresias. This is the whole reason we're discussing them going nowhere.

[Marquis]

If a watcher attempts to visit someone and is killed, would he be seen as going nowhere by a tracker?

Lol. Yes it's weird enough to me too that I would never fakeclaim like this.

[Marquis]

Under NAS its simultaneous and before a kill

Consider how camn is part of the older generation of mods though. It made sense to me put that way so I didn't question it.

[Marquis]

Unvote me you silly goose. I am as transparently town as I can get while on my phone cuddling in bed.

[Marquis]

Moving the goalposts again...