Mini 1764: Netherspite's SORM III [Game Over]

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Here. Never received the game start so I did not know we even started the game. Reading now.

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Pretty sure yarrrrgami is scum just sayin. And no, I've got a gameplan, I'm neither lyncher nor jester, nor reaction testing. Was hoping to attract a night kill but then I realized strongman was a thing <. <

Except, as far as I can tell, it is not.

Nothing in any of your posts is adding up at all.

VOTE: snarky

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Apparently somewhere along the way I missed the announcement about this game being full of trolls.

Well, it IS role madness. Cant really expect everyone here to start off serious.

I agree that there are a few posts that are simply to difficult to read, would rather then not post in that manner and are annoying BUT it certainly is not worth an automatic declaration of a PL out the gate. A jumo to a PL is suspect...

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NinoMasaki

has been prodded.

@Cap'n: Give the Frequently Askin' Question pirate a good pokin' with your scimitar while ye at it.

Thanks, I overlooked that.

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has been prodded.

and then what happened

Then I posted. Considering one is on this very page I have to wonder if you are paying attention at all...

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All these wagons suck.

SS is going to get sorted out, Rory doesn't have the mentality for his play to be scum driven, Aronis' request for time so that a push can come to fruition isn't being respected, Yarr is trying a posting style and actually engaging. I do not like a single pushed player for scum right now.

Vote: droog

You however aren't engaging with anyone, and asking for clarification on things when there is other meantime stuff that can be addressed doesn't count.

What makes you think SS is going to get sorted out - particularly since he is actively ignoring any attempt to do so.

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Yarrrgami is prob town or 3rd p.

Why 3p?

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I'm just not going to read anen's posts.

This made me laugh so hard because it's what I've been doing.

In all honesty - same here.

It simply is not fun or particularly engaging to try and decipher his posts. :/

Yarrrgami is prob town or 3rd p.

Why 3p?

Why not 3p?

You made the assertion. I was wondering why.

It seems that you do not have a reason. I have to wonder why you called him town then as well. Perhaps just throwing some things at the wall...

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Seems to me as though he be claiming survivor, which be difficult to get rid of in any way that don't involve plank-walkin', and he be sure to mutiny against us once the opportunity be arising, lest he be violating the captain's orders.

What makes you think so?

My vote was totally OMGUS. I'm not Frumple though. I'm not Camper either. I can play with both Frumple and Camper if I need to. I'd rather work with the other Campers, so let's find these Frumples.

Oh, that. I can imagine at least two other things behind that. (Assuming he understood my posts well.)

And what would those be?

At the very least, that is a claim for 3p and that is anti town.

VOTE: Rory

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Uh where am I doing that???

You have avoided even discussing your 'plan' here after already making half-assed claims that do nothing for town.

Pretty sure yarrrrgami is scum just sayin. And no, I've got a gameplan, I'm neither lyncher nor jester, nor reaction testing. Was hoping to attract a night kill but then I realized strongman was a thing <. <

Except, as far as I can tell, it is not.

Nothing in any of your posts is adding up at all.

VOTE: snarky

You alluded to changing gears because of strongman - a role that is not present in this game. The arsonist is the closest we get however it would not have any effect on drawing the NK. Essentially, your claims and then the back peddle away from it was absolute garbage and you have not bothered to go into it. You are absolutely scum.

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Cult, is what I'm afraid of the most.
A slow-played Jester is also possible.
Obviously, I wouldn't rule out a lying Mafia too.
However, there's one Role which could help us a lot. Namely, the Amnesiac.

That might have been true if he didn't announce it. Doing so completely sand-bags its utility for town considering it is announced once the amnesiac takes a role.

3P - lynch candidate. 3P's are inherently anti town no matter how much they claim to want to play for town. It is against their win con not to jump to the other side of the fence when the opportunity presents itself as better. It certainly does not behoove us to wait until lylo when that knife in the back ensures they win and scum have absolutely nothing to fear from a 3p.

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OMGUS much?

What the hell is OMGUS far as I can tell you have not even said anything about fire.

Cult, is what I'm afraid of the most.
A slow-played Jester is also possible.
Obviously, I wouldn't rule out a lying Mafia too.
However, there's one Role which could help us a lot. Namely, the Amnesiac.

That might have been true if he didn't announce it. Doing so completely sand-bags its utility for town considering it is announced once the amnesiac takes a role.

3P - lynch candidate. 3P's are inherently anti town no matter how much they claim to want to play for town. It is against their win con not to jump to the other side of the fence when the opportunity presents itself as better. It certainly does not behoove us to wait until lylo when that knife in the back ensures they win and scum have absolutely nothing to fear from a 3p.

There's 7 town, 3 mafia and 3 neutrals.

I can help town have 8 town.

Or you can lynch me and I move on. Your choice.

I know. I am more than willing to lynch you. I prefer snowman though - I am fairly certain that he is scum and scum is a better lynch. The rest of town just does not want to cooperate.

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i forget
why

this looks like droog claiming amnesiac, actually.

And yet here you are - trying to help scum by pointing out possible PR crumbs.

Tell me again why you are going to be a pro-town player?

VOTE: snarkeysnowman

Can we please get some damn traction here. His posts and attempts to disregard his own claims while acting as though he is not simply screams scum and town is letting this garbage simply pass.

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can we get some prods?

I still want to hear from FAQ about how he thinks Amnesiac is pro-town.

It has both utilities.

you claim 3p and then start playing anti-town. Your 'question' is nothing more than an attempt to redirect from that reality. The role's utility is blatantly obvious.

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@droog we are getting no where with discussion and will probably hit town, we get a huge amount of night info that can help discussion. There's a reason this setup generally starts with day 0

No - period.

We have confirmed 3p. If there simply is not a better vote for this day then lynching the 3p is far better than a no-lynch.

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OK fair enough on the fair party lynches. I generally don't worry about them too much early with the exception of cult, but that's a difference of opinion.

Worrying about them is irrelevant. You are making the claim that we should not lynch because it will likely hit town. At some point, town may HAVE to deal with 3p. If your reason really was fear of hitting town you would go for the 3p. You have not ergo your reason is contrived - aka scummy.

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In post 308, SnarkySnowman wrote:
I'm down with a massclaim. I am Busdriver.

Stop massclaiming.
That's how we started going down last time.
Also, I think this claim was actually fake.

Considering that this was the second time he has actually claimed, and that no one actually agreed to a mass claim, I'd say it's a pretty good bet that it's fake.

Then why are you not voting here?

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In post 308, SnarkySnowman wrote:
I'm down with a massclaim. I am Busdriver.

Stop massclaiming.
That's how we started going down last time.
Also, I think this claim was actually fake.

Considering that this was the second time he has actually claimed, and that no one actually agreed to a mass claim, I'd say it's a pretty good bet that it's fake.

Then why are you not voting here?

Why should I be?

If you think that this is a fake claim it is pretty unlikely that it is coming from town.

Further, he has refused to engage on his terrible first fake claim, how it was supposed to help town and all around is being scummy.

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Rory's last two were even worst. All of the sudden he is not claiming 3p and it was all a ruse to see who would do the town action of lynching known 3p and then voting them.

I cannot put into words how bad that pile of crap smells.

@droog we are getting no where with discussion and will probably hit town, we get a huge amount of night info that can help discussion. There's a reason this setup generally starts with day 0

No - period.

We have confirmed 3p. If there simply is not a better vote for this day then lynching the 3p is far better than a no-lynch.

Really? Who is confirmed 3p?

You claimed it. You are getting lynched for it.

If you are now claiming that was a lie that certainly is not going to help your case. It makes it worse...

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I doubt scums (if you meant Mafia by that) would care too much whether they're pushing a mislynch or a Third Party.

nope
but a 3rd party lynch is easy

when scum push a mislynch people will conflict
when scum push 3rd party nobody will say
"but wont you think of the poor anti-town!"

I find this reasoning exceptionally specious. You are essentially stating that you are identifying scum through a pro-town action. That makes no sense. Town will do the same thing here. What differentiates this action from town doing the same thing?

As evidenced throughout this day, a 3p lynch does not really seem 'easy' here at all anyway. I find it just as likely that scum is sitting this out as much as possible.

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My vote is not helping on snarky.

VOTE: Rory

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What do you mean by that?

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I don't like that quick hammer at all...

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Anen is telling truth but - I have been swapped as in MY TARGET was nit my original one.

I targetted Aronis. Anen?



@random - when you kill someone, as any killing role, you may deliver a message along with the kill.

Are you informed then when your target has been changed?

I am not clear on how you know if you have been bus driven.

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I don't like that quick hammer at all...

Bc its totally sensible to put some1 at L1 but at the same time have no intention of killing them or expect them to die.

whatever

No.

It is totally sensible to place someone at L-1 and expect that we get an INTENT TO HAMMER. Do not pretend that you do not understand the basic site meta on this.

Your attempt to misconstrue is unsettling.

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No, no, it wasn't a part of the role PM, just part of th erules. everyone just forgot about it.

anyawy. we have TWO people who "forgot" to use their night actions, and this is suspicious as hell, and they are our today pool

Why would scum bother to mention that they 'forgot' rather than faking actual results?

It seems like an odd thing to do.

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VOTE: FA_Q2

Solid case there.

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I am finding it odd that we have a flipped scum and no one really has said anything about his interaction. I dont get anything from his predecessor. Some things that I note from Xy though:

Certainly willing to lynch aronis.

Are you sure? Aronis interactions with Xy really does not point to him being mafia in all honesty.

In post 469, Xkfyu wrote:
Why are you trying to make me look scummy, regardless of whether I answer or not?
If I don't, then I look scummy for avoiding questions.
If I do, then it looks like I'm answering just because you called me out for it...which also looks scummy.

As for my Wiki, this!
Aneninen#The_Regardless_Of_Card
Aaaaaaaaaaand FINALLY, I've managed to use this tell in a situation I haven't been involved in directly.

Interesting. It appears that you and I have similar opinions on tells. Specifically, the Regardless of Card (though, I didn't know it already had a name) and the Unexpected Gamestall. Both of which, I've successfully used in finding scum.

Aronis is still my biggest Mafia read, and if it wasn't for the fact that Rory is basically guaranteed not to flip town, then I would prefer to lynch Aronis. How would you feel about lynching him in D2?

He pushed Aronis virtually all day. I don't see Aronis as being scum with our Xy. Do you think he was busing?

Ont that same vein:

On phone so I'll keep it succinct. Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that Xk is trying to strongarm himself in to a leader position? Because it feels fishy to me. Yarr's argument for Rory makes sense so I will probably compromise to there.

Unusual timing for such a statement had he been his scum partner. I don't think Espionage is a good direction to go either. There was a bit of back and fourth over 3dice as well that is making me lean away from that direction.

Xy's interactions with Aneninen are not sitting well with me. 486 (quoted above) feels forced and expletive of why they had similar reads without the actual need to say as much.

Also:

@droog we are getting no where with discussion and will probably hit town, we get a huge amount of night info that can help discussion. There's a reason this setup generally starts with day 0

No - period.

We have confirmed 3p. If there simply is not a better vote for this day then lynching the 3p is far better than a no-lynch.

Yeah, I agree with this. "Will probably hit town" is technically true (7:6 odds), but it's basically 50/50. So, to me, this looks like RM is trying to hard sell the no lynch, and I generally find hard sells scummy.

VOTE: randomidget

Town reads on Firebringer and Yarrr (posts are still annoying as shit though).

No read on Snarky, but figure he'll be sorted out through night actions, so not interested in lynching him. Same goes for Rory, really.

Everyone else is straight up null for me, right now.

Firebringer's town read seems strange here. I don't see why fire was town read at this point particularly over anyone else. All other null except fire and yarr. At least yarr had a reason to town read.

Anyone else have anything catch their eye from that slot.

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Be we forgettin' that aronis is still pretty clearly a scurvy-ridden scoundrel?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lazy deckhands who didn't report to the captain is the king o' scurvy.

Why is he so clear?

From his interactions with the one scum we have confirmed, it really does not seem all that clear to me.

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That seemed kind of forced from FA_Q2.

This from the slot that has added essentially zip thus far - pushed a no lynch and hoped on the easy wagon. Now, trying to analyze the dead scum is 'forced.' What the fuck are we supposed to do to scum hunt - ignore the flip as you have clearly done?

I cant see a way that you are town at all.

VOTE: randomdigit

I don't like the aronis wagon for reasons that I already specified. Snowman is a likely 3p but I thought the general suspicion is that he is a jester. I think that fits his play thus far rather well. @Aronis, Aneninen - do you think Snowman is scum?

Sure he could be scum.

But right now I'm focused on the guy trying to "distraction control" aka policy lynch at this point in the game.

It's trash.

This I agree with.

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Guys, ffs, I BET MY ASS aronis is oir jester

There cannot be two

It is unlikely but yes, there can be 2:

SETUP

The setup for this game consists of the following slots:

• Town Government
• Town Investigative
• Town Protective
• Town Killing or Power
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Town Random
• Godfather
• Mafia Support
• Mafia Deception
• Neutral Killing
• Neutral Evil or Benign
• Neutral Evil or Benign

NEUTRAL BENIGN

Survivor
Jester
Lyncher
Amnesiac

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That seemed kind of forced from FA_Q2.

This from the slot that has added essentially zip thus far - pushed a no lynch and hoped on the easy wagon. Now, trying to analyze the dead scum is 'forced.' What the fuck are we supposed to do to scum hunt - ignore the flip as you have clearly done?
I cant see a way that you are town at all.
VOTE: randomdigit

I don't think Randomidget's scum. Partly because of Xk's interactions with him.

@Aronis, Aneninen - do you think Snowman is scum?

Either scum or Jester. I can imagine him as Xk's partner but, obviously, as Jester he'd definitely do scummy things. And he's done quite a few...

My lynchpool right now consists of
Snowman
Aronis
Druuge

By the way,

Mod

, Aronis is in the prod zone.

If you think he is likely a jester then why are you voting for him? Scum will let us lynch him and then we lose another townie on top of it.

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pagetop

LOL

That was fucking wonderful. I am almost ready to lynch Aronis just because he is the most annoying player I have had to deal with in a long damn time. This is getting old rather fast.

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Yes aneninen, spongebob is more urgent than droog.
But also, I have super strong feeling espeonage is scum.

I've examined Esp's iso only to find... that he's doing nothing.
10 players. 5 of them are not town. You're right; I wouldn't put him amongst the four townies.
So, if needed I'd consolidate on him eagerly. (And time passes, while we're doing almost nothing.)

and this is my pagetop!
Bye for now!

Aronis you are the worst jester ever.

If he's a Jester. And that's the problem.
If he's still alive on Day3 he should be lynched.

Can anyone who's actually putting thought into this game please tell me why shos isn't scum and why I'm wrong?

Read the game.
Oh wait, you're not doing that. You just want to get rid of someone dangerous, don't you?

VOTE: shos
I'm not seeing any better options than this really. I actually agree with the points Snarky is making.

Your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

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So, here's what I think.
Shos, Randomidget, FAQ – I'd call these town. (From the strongest to the weakest.)
Snowman, Druuge, Aronis, Espeonage. – I don't think any of these are town. (From the strongest to the weakest. Either of Snowman or Aronis can be Jester, that'swhy I'm not voting for them now.)
Assuming I'm right, the two conflicted players are 3dice and Yarrgami. At the beginning of the Day I'd have said Yarrgami's the 5th townie, however, 3dice's posts have been getting better whereas Yarrgami's posts on Day2 have seemed to be different to the ones he posted Yesterday. (I don't think they're Mafia, but some third-party could be possible.)
If there's Cult, the situation may be much worse.

Why rando town?

He has done nothing at all other than jumping on random wagons. He has costed harder than Esp who you are reading non-town.

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also ANOTHER THING.

it pisses me off to no end that aronis will live forever and be allowed to get away with crap play. that is the number 1 thing that has been frustrating me about mafia and it is why I need a break. cos I remember a time where he wld have been sped lynched and not allowed to get away with it.

Was jester a prevalent role in those games/times?

Normally he would have been lynched. There is a real possibility that such an action is anti-town though. I fear that we may be seriously lacking killing roles though and that might be an issue dealing with jesters...

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With the way that snowman has been tunneling shos in an uncharacteristic manner from any play previously in this game I am beginning to suspect that he is a lyncher.

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His Day1 doesn't fit that picture. But, even if I'm wrong about this, he'll never be able to get Shos lynched. So we needn't worry.

I don't care weather or not he can get shos lynched - the point was I think snarky is a safe lynch should we not agree to go for someone that is more likely to be scum.

The lyncher would not want to be blatantly obvious on day 1 IMHO. The death tunnel on shos just does not make sense from his other play. This is somewhat setup spec though so that is all I am likely to say on the subject.

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also ANOTHER THING.

it pisses me off to no end that aronis will live forever and be allowed to get away with crap play. that is the number 1 thing that has been frustrating me about mafia and it is why I need a break. cos I remember a time where he wld have been sped lynched and not allowed to get away with it.

Was jester a prevalent role in those games/times?

Normally he would have been lynched. There is a real possibility that such an action is anti-town though. I fear that we may be seriously lacking killing roles though and that might be an issue dealing with jesters...

there is always the chance of a jester in any closed themed game.

Is there? I thought jester was not a normal role.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jester
It is normally considered a bastard role. In general, there is literally zero reason to suspect a jester in a standard closed setup. Your reasoning here is incredibly specious. You also act as though you really pushed for his lynch when I really do not see that in your ISO.

what I am not liking is that it is being treated as a probability rather than the possibility that it actually is. and aronis doesn't dislike me and I don't dislike aronis but lately when he has rolled scum he keeps trying to pl me.

I HOPE we have a vig and they do their vig mojo and vig aronis.

@ anem

when I say scum, I mean mafia I do NOT mean indies cos indies are not scum no matter how much like to marginalize that entire alignment. and I am sick to death of having to explain this shit.

and textbook jestering is spamming the thread until pple will do nearly anything to get rid of you or deliberately dropping a "scumslip" that pple will zealously pursue to the ends of the earth. none of that is what aronis is doing and he strikes me as cheeky scum.

Endlessly spamming the thread seems like exactly what he is doing.

I really wish you guys wld let me sort espy first before you ram his lynch through, espy isn't afraid to post as scum so I dunno. I can't sort him if he is not present in the game.

You are getting your wish here - he is being replaced.

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Well then.
VOTE: shos.

I still do not see a case on him.

At this point I am FAR more likely to lynch you then shos. Why should I lynch the claimed detective over the one trying to blankly lynch him with the only reason thus far that 'he already has votes.' Even more so considering that you seem to have solid logic in other places but have not shared such logic on why shos is scum.

Lynch me if you want but shos has to die first.

Not a chance.

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it *supports* him being a jester, and well, his PLAY makes him a jester.
There is no scum role that goes nowhere.
MM probably doesn't go nowhere.
same goes for arsonist.

it's either survivor or jester, and if he's a survivor, he's playing like shit, because he's really close to being killed just because, I think

It does not really support that theory. Roles that might skip 'visiting' someone:

Town Citizen
Town Mason
Town Crier
Town Mayor
Town Marshall
Town Spy
Town Veteran

Mafia Godfather
Mafia Kidnapper

Judge
Survivor
Jester
Lyncher
Amnesiac

^ all roles that are likely or guaranteed to have visited no one.

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Lynch me if you want but shos has to die first.

Not a chance.

What's your suggestion then? Lynch me? Because, not a chance to that.

That is a viable option.

I am willing to lynch snarky, Aronis, rando and possibly ranger depending on the next few pages.

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Well no one is going to jump on rando - I cant even get a conversation started on him. No lynch is unacceptable. Aronis I think would be the best bet this late in the day for me. I don't like shos at this point. Aronis can also lead some info on shos claim.

VOTE: Aronis

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Lyncher on shos. Aristo next

I already went and lyncher I'd dead. What even are you saying??

Technically there is a possibility for 2 lynchers in this setup though it is unlikely. Snarky has been all over the damn place though and nothing he says is even worth reading.

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Aristo or snarky - pick another popcorn name.

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I am the town crier.

I want to see shos claim next.

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lol snarky
keep trying

FA_Q2, I've claimed like years ago, I'm a detective, and Aronis went nowhere N1, Snarky went nowhere N2.

Crap that's right. Aronis then.

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Why would we do that? Lynching aronis would randomly kill a person on the wagon, and we know snarky is not scum.

You have made the false assumption that he is a jester. There is nothing that makes that a fact. Many of us have pointed this out to you multiple times and yet you continue to tunnel on this.

Like, that post alone makes me want to lynch you, it's a horrible decision

That post makes you want to lynch the only MOD confirmed town?
That hurts.

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Like, that post alone makes me want to lynch you, it's a horrible decision

VOTE: shos

If we want to lynch shos then I say take out snarky first - he has not been helpful in any manner whatsoever.

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We haven't yet, but should

Then I'll start.
Town investigative.

Popcorn to you since you seem to be around.

Full claim aristo with results.

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It's decided then. We lynch, aronis, snarky, aristophanes.

No, it really isn't decided. Why aristo? Aronis and snarky are a good start - possibly scum hiding behind 3p claims.

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randomidget - CONFIRMED town marshall

FA_Q2 - Crier
shos - Detective
- Aronis whent nowhere N1
- Snarky went nowhere N2

Aristophanes - Investigative ?
3dicerolling - Protective?
Aneninen - Killing?
Aronis - ?????

SnarkySnowman - Bullshit

Category claiming here is pointless as there is an open random slot (as I or random must be one of the three random slots and rory was also a random slot). The PR roles can be virtually anything. Considering that we have 2 players who claims are extremely untrustworthy, trying to narrow the possibilities down with category claiming is rather silly. We should be full claiming with targets as we need the maximum information possible to base 3 lynches on. This will make or break the game for us.

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Why haven't you cried at all FA?

Because it gives the town zero info (anything I could have cried I could have done so during the day) and it confers info to scum (that one of the town is a crier). I don't see a single benefit in the ability at all except to confirm what I am tomorrow. I was going to sent an action in last night in preparation of a mass claim today but after seeking clarification on how the role works I found that I would have had my message broadcast before all the night actions were in.

All that would have accomplished is give scum an easy town lynch. I really have no idea how a crier can be utilized in a pro town manner in this particular setup.

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Everyone who isn't me or FA should vote Aronis rn. This is optimal play.

Anen should not either.

This is a good point. Anen is confirmed town (and the most valuable town at this point).

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Pagetop - post #1000!!!

Take that 3dice!!

Claim now.

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If you are town then right to the blacklist you go - you have purposely torpedoed your game and if you were a town player then I would see that as a direct violation of the 'play to your wincon' rule.

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why are you not straight up claiming? O_o

DA_Q2 will be conftown once he proves his abiliy, regardless of what happens in the game. he is not a lynch for today.

As counted, at least one of {Aronis, Snarky} is lying scum. I'm going to guess it is Snarky. if not, well, bummer, but we surely don't want to lynch a jester right now so it's best if we lynch snarky first anyway. if Snarky flips scum, we don't need to lynch Aronis, and we're in a really goot state.

This does not really work - the flip is not going to happen until all 3 lynches have been made. We have to select all 3 before we get any info on the flips themselves.

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So:

randomidget and Aneninen confirmed town

I am confirming tonight

2 town, 2 scum and one 3p out of:
Aristophanes
shos
3dicerolling
SnarkySnowman
Aronis

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What did I miss?
I don't get you, Random.

The jester kills one on its wagon. You do not want confirmed town on that wagon because it might kill a confirmed town.

You are not only confirmed town but quite possibly the best PR we have in play at the moment. No reason to risk yourself for the lynch.

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Something that I think we have missed...

Town Government
Town Investigative
Town Protective

Town Killing or Power

Town Random
Town Random
Town Random
Godfather
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Neutral Killing
Neutral Evil or Benign
Neutral Evil or Benign

This is the list of roles in the game. Bus driver can be a town Protective OR Town Power role. The power role and killing role occupies the SAME TOWN SLOT. IOW, anen is

NOT

confirmed town.

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The only real confirmed town we have at the moment is rando.

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(note that I pu 4 randoms there)

Looks like from the claims, we can:
1. confirm Anen as town power/killing.
2. know that either Aronis or Snarky are lying, which means the plan to lynch both today is actually good
3. there are conflicts between {me & Aristo} and {3dr , firebringer}.

SO
if we lynch ARONIS and SNARKY we have 1 scum dead for sure, and the other is neutral, so we're good and left with six alive, of which one is scum:
{

random

, [/b]anen[/b],}
{3dr}
{shos, aristo}
{FAQ2}.

scum roleblocker is dead, so FA_Q2 will confirm himself at night.

say we lynch 3dr. if he is scum we win. if not, we know he was a random, so there's only one random left, between me and aristo, and come morning we have 4p mylo

With the above, this post makes me uneasy :/

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@MOD Will a jester lynch trigger the random kill when they are lynched or when the flip happens at the end of the day?

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That really is not entirely obvious. The lynch happens right away we just do not get the flip.

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obviously at the end of the day

I agree, but asking won't hurt.
Then again, we'll get the answer when the lynch is finalized, which is whenever Nether is back, so asking is somewhat pointless as his actions will be the answer if Aronis is a Jester.


I think I rambled there, but it should be easily understood. Lol

Not if the extra kill happens at the end of the day - we would have no indication if we lynched a jester or not. If it happens immediately it would actually be better for town - more info as we press on.

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I was Roleblocked at Night1.

I want to know why you waited until day 3 to share that amazing info with the rest of the class....

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Assuming that the 3p is in snarky/aronis (that is a damn good bet if you ask me) and we lynch both slots today we end up with:

Aristo, Anen, rando, shos, me and 3d (6 remaining players). If the other in aronis/snarky is scum then we are doing damn good with a confirmed townie and I will be confirmed tomorrow. HOWEVER, if one of those is just shit town then we end up with 2 scum 4 town. Should we mislynch then we are 3T 2S entering night and a successful NK will end the game in scum's favor. Without the flip info from the first 2 lynches we have no real idea of the shape that we are in going into the night phase and we very well could be in

MYLO

. I am really uncomfortable with the manner in which shos and anen tried to town confirm each other and I think there is a real possibility that they are the scum team. A no lynch might be preferable here. As that will give us the flip info and one more day to press on. The only caveat here is that there is a jester and we end up with a 50/50 chance that kill ends up on scum – odds I really do not like – and if it does not we would lose. Jester is not a for sure role that is present in this game though.

What do you think about no lynching on the 3rd lynch rando? Obviously we would still take care of snarky.

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(1) Shos has never called me conf-town.
(2) For that team you had to assume these: Xk Roleblocked his buddy intentionally and we had been hoping that a town Bus-Driver had picked exactly Shos and me for their action.

Nice try:

(note that I pu 4 randoms there)

Looks like from the claims, we can:
1. confirm Anen as town power/killing.
2. know that either Aronis or Snarky are lying, which means the plan to lynch both today is actually good
3. there are conflicts between {me & Aristo} and {3dr , firebringer}.

SO
if we lynch ARONIS and SNARKY we have 1 scum dead for sure, and the other is neutral, so we're good and left with six alive, of which one is scum:
{

random

, [/b]anen[/b],}
{3dr}
{shos, aristo}
{FAQ2}.

scum roleblocker is dead, so FA_Q2 will confirm himself at night.

say we lynch 3dr. if he is scum we win. if not, we know he was a random, so there's only one random left, between me and aristo, and come morning we have 4p mylo

Yes he did say you were confirmed based on the claims. It was a mistake or a ploy - those are the only 2 options. Considering that I agreed at first I can see how a mistake is possible.

What do you think about no lynching on the 3rd lynch rando? Obviously we would still take care of snarky.

Why?

Explained in the post that you quoted. It is clear why. How about you tell us what you think on the reasoning.

VOTE: Snarky

And after that vote I'm definitely not a conf-town.
Really sorry for f-cking it up. Had I been here we could have had an auto-win.

Not really. Snarky self voting changes nothing and you voting in his place also would change nothing. I find this comment interesting because a town member would be more than happy to be off this wagon. If you are correct that snarky is the jester (and it looks that way) you being off the wagon increases our chance of hitting scum with the random kill to 2/3rds instead of 1/2 and that is a massive help.

You being off makes me seriously reconsider a no-lynch though. I have to consider some numbers though. More on this later.

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@MOD: is the target of a role block informed they were blocked if they did not perform a night action?

I assume from the OP that they would be but it is not very specific.

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That assumes aronis flips scum - that is not a for sure occurrence. It also would not change things, as far as I am concerned, you and shos are essentially the same alignment. If you are town then your statements about the RB really do make shos town. If you are scum then it likely means he is as well (though that is less sure than the former).

If he is town then we would lose right there on the spot if we mislynched.

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Stalled...

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He was RB after the bus driver switched him and shos. IOW, he has confirmation that shos was role blocked.

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I honestly don't know why you guys still think aronis can be not scum

We havetwo people refusing to cooperate and 2 flipped third parties. That means that atonis and snarky are 1 scum 1 third party. We lynched them both.

No one said he can't. It is dumb to demand that he MUST be though.

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Do you think Xk Roleblocked his buddy intentionally and we exploited the situation that Firebringer actually Bus-drove... two scums?
Even so, for this we should assume that either Aronis or Snowman was town.

For the others. Can you see my point?

It's quite peculiar now, because I've just calculated something. Even if I don't have a breaking strategy, the winning chance is about 91.67% if we lynch Aristo Today and 94.44 if we lynch me. (Assuming neither Aronis nor Snowman flips town and only one of them flips Mafia.)

He may have bus drove 2 scums. Scum certainly did not RB their own player.

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There CAN NOT BE another kill.

Again.
One of aronis and snarky is necessarily 3p. SK is dead.

That depends, anni claimed town killing which may mean he can kill. There very well could be another kill. I am confident that if anni makes one though he will hit scum.

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Thanks everyone and thanks for modding!

I have no objections against revealing the scum PT.

We had an endgame with a really good atmosphere.

More thoughts later.

You did damn well. I had a pretty hard town read on your slot until my last moments (and you made me pay for thinking you were scum)

I had some suspicions earlier though because I thought you were buddying me. Thank god Aronis wasn't just bad town, we would have been destroyed.

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GG