Micro 599: Worst (Role) Idea(s) Mafia - GAME OVER

[lilith2013]

VOTE: Aneninenen for 1) making a seemingly pointless post, and 2) having a name that makes it difficult to remember when to stop typing n's.

[lilith2013]

If anything, klingon's probably a jester.

[lilith2013]

I'm pretty sure it's in the role thread (I attempted to read through it before I realized my time would probably be better spent not reading 2000 pages attempting to find 8 roles that made sense in the context of the thread).

[lilith2013]

Okay it kinda seems like klingon is a post restricted IC of some kind..?

[lilith2013]

I mean, I don't know for sure.. But this is a "worst role game" so I'd assume there's some massive negative utility to compensate for klingon being an IC. Either a post restriction, or she's actually a jester, or something that either thwarts or is thwarted by the IC announcement. And then everyone else has posted I think, so that would presumably leave klingon as the one unable to post and sending us messages. (Either that, or somebody has a role that's designed just to mess with us.)

[lilith2013]

It's not klingon!! (I think.)

You are

Gollum

- Town Public Messager.

You have a Hydra account with

Smeagol

, who is with the Mafia.
From this Hydra, you may not post - however, you may send messages to be posted publicly and anonymously by the mod.
Anything that you or Smeagol say is able to be edited by either of you until the mod reads the message and posts it.

On top of all this, anything you say via thread or anonymous posts must have a tone of paranoia that "they" are going to take "it" off you. However, you may never say "my precious". Ever.

Your Hydra's Username is "[REDACTED]"
Your Hydra's Password is "[REDACTED]"

You are

Smeagol

- Mafia Public Messager.

You have a Hydra account with

Gollum

, who is in the Town.
From this Hydra, you may not post - however, you may send messages to be posted publicly and anonymously by the mod.
Anything that you or Gollum say is able to be edited by either of you until the mod reads the message and posts it.

On top of all this, anything you say via thread or anonymous posts must have a tone of anger that "they" have stolen "it" off you. However, you may never say "my precious". Ever.

Your fellow Mafia members are XXXXXY and XXXXXZ.

Your Hydra's Username is "[REDACTED]"
Your Hydra's Password is "[REDACTED]"

This is totally what is happening right now.

[lilith2013]

The messages reminded me of LOTR and I searched "gollum" in the role thread.

[lilith2013]

The game is "worst roles," so I'd assume there's at least some kind of twist to the role, and that's the first one that came to mind. The first role posted is an innocent lyncher, whose target is an innocent child. It's suggested that the innocent child also be made a jester.

There also was an IC-jester in a game (everything is a lie 1), which Davsto was in I think??

[lilith2013]

????

What are you implying?

[lilith2013]

Its unnecessary. Why out roles unnecessarily?

Ranger claimed Miller. There's more that is unimportant. If it's unimportant, why do you have such an issue with her claiming it? It's necessary because it can be verified.

^ ^ ^

I'm glad I don't have this guy's role. That post restriction would drive me nuts.

What post restriction?

[lilith2013]

All players have confirmed - let the game begin!!

VC 1.0

No-one is currently being voted.

Not Voting (9): Aneninen, kirroha, Klingoncelt, lane0168, lilith2013, randomidget, Ranger, SirCakez, Something Pip

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-13 12:40:00)

KLINGONCELT is confirmed to be aligned with the TOWN!

He's lying.

I'm a Battery-Powered Serial Killer.

Can't tell if serious claim...

[lilith2013]

I'm sure that dav would have modified it so the person couldn't say anything in thread..

[lilith2013]

Also why wouldn't i just say "hey guys i'm gollum"?

[lilith2013]

Like I'm assuming dav would restrict you from outing your role since it has to do with a hydra.

[lilith2013]

(Er.. Private account, I don't think dav would use up 2 slots on this.)

[lilith2013]

Even if there weren't a restriction on it.. if I were Smeagol (with a Gollum), why would I basically scumclaim? The gollum would speak up and call me out, I'm assuming.

And if I were Smeagol (and there was no Gollum), why wouldn't I just claim Gollum?

[lilith2013]

Ooh barney stinson's bedroooom

You wouldn't claim smeagle. So said anything about claiming smeagle?

You said why wouldn't you just claim gollum, I said cause you could be smeagle

Why are you leaving out the possibility of smeagle and no gollum though?

I just addressed it? Why wouldn't I simply claim Gollum?

If you were gollum, you might claim gollum, or you might not idk

I'M NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING i literally looked up gollum in the role thread okay just like I searched battery-powered serial killer I just like to do these things

[lilith2013]

@anen: if you assume Gollum/Smeagol didn't mention themselves, it's between Klingon, random, cakes, and somethingpip. Don't think klingon would be an IC plus a Gollum/Smeagol?

[lilith2013]

The way that Davsto picked roles lends itself to only one person having a role and then modifications as necessary. I don't think he would choose to pair people up like that.

Why is it fishy? I was like, hmm these messages seem strange and it kind of reminds me of Gollum and the ring, maybe I'll search that in the role thread and see if anything comes up???

[lilith2013]

Idk why it's such a big deal that I put a little bit of effort into figuring things out here.

[lilith2013]

Idk why it's such a big deal that I put a little bit of effort into figuring things out here.

[lilith2013]

I think kirroha is either alarmist (has to shout everything) or that role that gives you something like an extra vote if you manage to end all your sentences with exclamation points. Or something along those lines.

I am not Smeagol and I also think Dav would have told you that a Smeagol existed if it did indeed exist. Which I believe it does not.

[lilith2013]

Awk.

[lilith2013]

you are

KAIN TEPES

you win with town

Unfortunately davsto said he only went up to 5038..

[lilith2013]

you are

KAIN TEPES

you win with town

Unfortunately davsto said he only went up to 5038..

But I said it???

[lilith2013]

Have I missed a piece of information which tells us that Gollum must be town?

Cast Alohomora on: Kirroha

In the gollum/smeagol pair, gollum is town and smeagol is scum.

[lilith2013]

Kirroha you're amazing

[lilith2013]

So why don't you vote her?

VOTE: kirro tepes

[lilith2013]

We're not. She said she needs L-1 for part of her wincon.

[lilith2013]

I would like SmartPip to be the L-1 vote, then I'll go back to normal voting.

[lilith2013]

Because if it's only

part

of her wincon, what's the harm in letting her have it? It wouldn't end the game so we might as well.

[lilith2013]

I assumed she could win with town. Went and looked for the role and it doesn't look like it though? (That is, if in fact these votes even count.)

Anyway. VOTE: Something Pip

[lilith2013]

You are the Village Idiot. You win if you are put at L-1 Day 1 and are not lynched at any point in the game.

I can't decide whether I think dav would have added a town alignment so it wasn't just a 3rd party role, but actually from his description in the queue thread I think he might've.

[lilith2013]

Sorry I got a little overexcited

[lilith2013]

About the gollum/tepes things.

[lilith2013]

What are your reads now?

Honestly?

Pretty much unchanged.

My guess for the scumteam is SirCakez and lilith. They're both scumreads.

I'm pretty sure kirroha is not scum. I also don't think you are. Then you get {randomidget, who is a guess for town, tied with lane} who I have mixed feelings about but mostly see town in, and {Something Pip} as a read I'm not sure about but sort-of-lean town on.

You have this tendency to scumread me D1 when I'm town and I still have no idea why

[lilith2013]

Dav I am voting SomethingPip

[lilith2013]

I have a feeling the wall was written by SomethingPip.

[lilith2013]

Oh cool so I'm not crazy

[lilith2013]

So basically kirroha becomes a survivor if put at L-1 day 1.
So we have a choice of whether we want her alive as a survivor or (presumably) dead if she does not get to L-1 day 1.
Lilith, do you think kirroha should be alive in LYLO? I think pip forgot this game exists but I will ask him before voting kirroha.
-smart

Forgot to answer this: I think kirroha is town-aligned (remember, dav said he would do that for some survivor roles because otherwise almost all the roles in the thread and possibly the game are 3p). She probably just has an extra wincon tacked on--that is, she wins if town wins

and

she gets to L-1 on day one but is never lynched (also assuming that's actually her role). If this is the case, it doesn't matter whether she's alive at LYLO.

Also I don't like this. It feels like SS is trying to imitate his town game by asking me if I think kirroha should be alive at LYLO.

[lilith2013]

Ongoing game stuff so I'm not sure how much I can say regarding townplay vs. scumplay. But look at his question, asking me if I think kirroha should be alive at lylo. How does it attempt to sort me at all? Does it matter whether I'm scum or town? If kirroha is 3p and can only win by herself then of course I don't want her at lylo, regardless of alignment. What is my answer going to tell him that he doesn't already know? It feels like he's asking questions just to look like he's doing something.

[lilith2013]

She never claimed 3p.

[lilith2013]

Damn I completely missed that.

What would the scum motivation be in leaving her alive?

[lilith2013]

Okay. Still don't understand how my answer would have been alignment indicative.

[lilith2013]

scum IC sounds like a best role, not a worst one.

[lilith2013]

I don't have any

proof

they wrote it. The tone and flow just sound like SomethingSmart to me.

[lilith2013]

It's between you and random, with slim possibility for anen and cakes. (But seriously doubt it's cakes.) It's not about making sense/not making sense, it's like when I read that wall in my head and compare it to your posting style I'm like oh yeah they sound kinda similar.

[lilith2013]

What's your read on me?

[lilith2013]

I'm thinking you're probably town. Don't know what pip thinks since he still seems to have forgotten about this game. Making reads in this game is hard
Tbh when I first read 110 I thought it was lane, knowing that it's not it sounds like Anen, but it could be Cakez or random or maaaaaaybe Ranger.
-smart

Why am I probably town?

And I'm asking you specifically, not pip.

[lilith2013]

Okay so other game ended. I don't know if I'm able to fully explain but I mentioned to SS that I felt a difference in the way he engages people as scum vs. as town. The way he was asking me questions but also kind of deflecting here seems like he's trying to imitate his townplay because he knows I think a certain way about his play, but doesn't want to give an opportunity to get in too deep and actually engage with him. He's trying to brush me off.

[lilith2013]

What??

Even that post... I feel like you just deflected me

hard

from my original point, which was that you're not engaging (with me in particular but I think it's also everyone else, need to reread) the way I would expect you to as town. And you start talking about scumhunting and the setup being confusing which is not really related at all..

Why do you keep doing this?

[lilith2013]

Why is me bringing up gollum/smeagol town motivated?

[lilith2013]

Argh I hope I'm not confbiasing myself. I really do hope you start engaging and if there's anything I can do to help that long please let me know. If you are town then I want you to be around and active and stuff because you're a pretty solid player.

I am going to sit down in about 30 hours and reread your ISO and point out all the deflecting and things that you're doing that bother me and hopefully someone else can weigh in on that. 30 hours because I have a midterm today and a project tomorrow and also a paper due tomorrow that I haven't started yet hahahahaha

[lilith2013]

Well I'm glad I was right in scumreading SS.

[lilith2013]

Getting to questions when I get to a computer.

[lilith2013]

Done with paper/midterm and just working on project now so I can get to this.

I think a lot of the deflecting I did was about kirroha

I disagree but I'll get to that in a minute.

So, two questions to you regarding kirroha:
(1) Do you think she is 3rd party or town-aligned?
(2) Do you think we should put her at L-1, lynch her, or leave her alone today?
-smart

I don't think she would claim 3p if she was town, because usually survivors get lynched yeah. So I think she's 3p.
I think we should leave her alone today and if she doesn't die/is still 3p tomorrow then lynch her.

Woo I may have forgotten that this game existed, catchup time

28-bad post, feels like lilith is trying to find a silver lining for scum. The roles in this game are broken, not bad for the players. I mean I submitted a cult recruiter arsonist, so yeah wincons are either impossible to achieve or really really easy. 43 is similar in ilk.

I was just speculating on setup on page 2. 43 was a response to why I made the speculation I did. Have I even mentioned klingon's name since then? No. You don't see me trying to convince people to lynch her for being a jester because I don't think she is one.

Lane feels pretty towny, he seems to be approaching the game correctly and from a town mentality. 57 is godly and everyone should bow.

What does approaching the game "correctly" mean?

Moving on, holy shit 76 basically is WIFOM at best and seems to confirm lilith as Smeagol.

Already been over this. If I were Smeagol, why would I bring up my role in thread where Gollum would immediately know and be suspicious, as lane was? What purpose does that serve?

Why is me saying there must be a negative utility to a role like IC scummy but when lane does it for ranger it's town?

Lane is getting wrecked.

?

Lilith's 165 is still scum.

Why?

I can confirm that the post isn't in the style of SS, it is similar to my style in that it seems to be a parody of something else(especially my BaH post in Soccer Spirits) but I just got in the game.

Well since you're in a hydra with SS I'm not going to take your word for it so.

VOTE: Lilith SS is completely off this game.

kk.

I'm happy with a anen hammer too. Good sign that he's good with it. But it will help

lane do you believe their claim?

[lilith2013]

I'm happy with a anen hammer too. Good sign that he's good with it. But it will help

lane do you believe their claim?

[lilith2013]

.. Does anyone wanna claim that second kill?

[lilith2013]

Also can I just say...

holy shit I can't believe I scumread someone correctly.

I suck at this game so much.

[lilith2013]

This is the part where if I wasn't a cautious player I'd be hammering Something Pip.

I want to be on their wagon, though, so like Klingoncelt, I have intent to vote them.

Explain this, Ranger?

[lilith2013]

What are your reads now?

Honestly?

Pretty much unchanged.

My guess for the scumteam is SirCakez and lilith. They're both scumreads.

I'm pretty sure kirroha is not scum. I also don't think you are. Then you get {randomidget, who is a guess for town, tied with lane} who I have mixed feelings about but mostly see town in, and {Something Pip} as a read I'm not sure about but sort-of-lean town on.

You were leaning town on Pip, not scumreading them.. Until their wagon started.

[lilith2013]

VOTE: Ranger

L-1.

[lilith2013]

Hahahahahahahaha