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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:33 am

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In post 1674, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 1667, kirroha wrote:
The last part is clearly not relevant - no-one coached you up to screw up. You did that all on your own. It doesn't benefit scum (as I feel you are pretty scummy) but as always scum don't play optimally.


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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:35 am

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You don't need to convince me that I'm scum, because I'm not. So I'm not going to bother reading through all that garbage.

If you think I am scum who screwed up then that's what you chose to believe in. The only thing that I can prove to you is that what I did would have been terrible for scum if I were scum, and if you think I am stupid enough to do that as scum regardless then well that's your call.

@Everyone who is not MOI: So, should we try to get a flip on Syn? I'm kind of just sticking to Rask's PoE call at this point.
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:42 am

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In post 1671, GuyInFreezer wrote:
It's more like "it'll be great if I was a confirmed town for that"

tbh, I don't think the claim is not that far-fetched because the JoaT had a GS and fishing for doctor when you have GS makes sense since for some reason vig-gs-scumdoc tend to be meta these days.


1. Ok putting aside that you were just wanting to be confirmed - who are your scum-reads and why?

2. You aren't focusing on the important points of why I find it farfetched. He's presenting a JOAT with two strong investigation powers and a convenient defense power. I don't care about the Vig-GS-Scumdoc meta per-se ... can you find me meta that shows JOATs that actually have double strong investigation powers? I'm not poring through games myself but that particular set of JOAT powers doesn't seem very logically put together.
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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 1676, kirroha wrote:You don't need to convince me that I'm scum, because I'm not. So I'm not going to bother reading through all that garbage.

If you think I am scum who screwed up then that's what you chose to believe in. The only thing that I can prove to you is that what I did would have been terrible for scum if I were scum, and if you think I am stupid enough to do that as scum regardless then well that's your call.

@Everyone who is not MOI: So, should we try to get a flip on Syn? I'm kind of just sticking to Rask's PoE call at this point.


Here's a hint - I'm not trying to convince you that you are scum. I'm responding to both GIF and Implosion who specifically asked me for my case on you.

Your attempt to portray my posts as garbage because they highlight your scumminess and thus your "I'm not engaging" are cute.

Is Rask your scum-buddy and that's why you like his POE so much?
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:51 am

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VOTE: MagnaOfIllusions

This one has to be scum. -_-"
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:54 am

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In post 1679, NinoMasaki wrote:VOTE: MagnaOfIllusions

This one has to be scum. -_-"


Care to elaborate? I'd really like to see if there is any reasoning to this other than "I'm calling Radiant scum".
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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:18 am

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Ughhhh.

I'll read through all that for reals in a bit but I don't see RC as scum in this setup if only because JK + 1-s vig doesn't feel like enough.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:19 am

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I feel kind of bad for moi replacing into a game with so many innos on people
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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 1677, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 1671, GuyInFreezer wrote:
It's more like "it'll be great if I was a confirmed town for that"

tbh, I don't think the claim is not that far-fetched because the JoaT had a GS and fishing for doctor when you have GS makes sense since for some reason vig-gs-scumdoc tend to be meta these days.


1. Ok putting aside that you were just wanting to be confirmed - who are your scum-reads and why?

2. You aren't focusing on the important points of why I find it farfetched. He's presenting a JOAT with two strong investigation powers and a convenient defense power. I don't care about the Vig-GS-Scumdoc meta per-se ... can you find me meta that shows JOATs that actually have double strong investigation powers? I'm not poring through games myself but that particular set of JOAT powers doesn't seem very logically put together.

1. I don't play that way.
Before the activity died down due to rubix replace out, my read was something like RC/GR/Nino town, kirroha townish, waffling on your slot, and Rask needing to eat a vigshot.

I did want implosion dead but it was more from PoE and him being underwhelming, but being underwhelming part is something I understand completely given the activity here.

Right now? Whatever clear that implosion got makes him far away from being scum. I haven't read your giant posts yet and prob won't have time to until tonight or tomorrow morning.

With that said,

2. Gunsmith is not that powerful role when vig is present, especially when it's only 1-shot. I don't play normals that much so I can't tell you who have used double investigative powers, but I for one likes to use double investigative JoaT (usually something like tracker/rolecop/utility variant). Also because otherwise town is lacking an investigative power to complete the setup, I incline to believe his claim.
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:31 am

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With that said, If I dare guessing the setup, It's probably something like 3-shot JK/1SV/JoaT vs 2 goons/Doctor (or strongman).
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:37 am

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WTF you jerk why would say I deserve a vig shot
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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:54 am

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In post 1683, GuyInFreezer wrote:
1. I don't play that way.
Before the activity died down due to rubix replace out, my read was something like RC/GR/Nino town, kirroha townish, waffling on your slot, and Rask needing to eat a vigshot.

I did want implosion dead but it was more from PoE and him being underwhelming, but being underwhelming part is something I understand completely given the activity here.

Right now? Whatever clear that implosion got makes him far away from being scum. I haven't read your giant posts yet and prob won't have time to until tonight or tomorrow morning.


So really you don't have a single solid scum read? At all?
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:57 am

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No because stuff I've found so far they're all perfectly reasonable as town as well. Deadtivity didn't help much.
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:57 am

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(Plus, I townhunt and PoE anyway so usually I never have a solid scumread but instead a solid townread)
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:02 am

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MoI seems town, yet everyone he's pushing has pinged me town at one point or another??
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:03 am

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In post 1673, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 1666, RadiantCowbells wrote:I believe that MOI has to be lynched before endgame because his reads are so bad and he's super invested in them.

Whether he's scum is academic frankly.


We could just lynch you instead if that's the standard. Because you were super-invested in that terrible BBT push Day 1 and we all see how that turned out. I appreciate that you can't actually justify things other than constant rhetoric so you keep going to the well.

I'll be happy to 1v1 you on this issue if you'd like. Game?


Thta's already what's happening you dolt.
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:11 am

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In post 1689, Syndesis wrote:MoI seems town, yet everyone he's pushing has pinged me town at one point or another??


Synd I'd like you to do an take a look at Radiant's ISO. Really read it. Put aside his claim and whatever meta you would be using to judge. Do that and tell me where you see Town play.
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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:12 am

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I'm town you twit.

And you're scumreading all my townreads.

I believe that if I don't lynch you, on day 5 after I have been night killed you will either lead lynches on town or force yourself to be lynched.

Sorry but you need to die.
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:14 am

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In post 1691, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Synd I'd like you to do an take a look at Radiant's ISO. Really read it. Put aside his claim and whatever meta you would be using to judge. Do that and tell me where you see Town play.

I think the things you're scumreading RC for are more RC-indicative than alignment-indicative, but I'll take a look.
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 1692, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm town you twit.

And you're scumreading all my townreads.

I believe that if I don't lynch you, on day 5 after I have been night killed you will either lead lynches on town or force yourself to be lynched.

Sorry but you need to die.


I'll translate for everyone - "Stop not being able to be fooled with my reputation and seeing me for the alignment I am".

I'm glad you acknowledge that you know I'm not scum. The "I'm worried about the future" is empty. Proposing someone should be lynched for a hypothetical scenario that can't be proven over someone who is actual scum is pure Pro-Scum play.

Sorry I've rocked the easy cruise to victory as scum by replacing in. Well, I'm not really sorry but I do understand your frustartion.
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:19 am

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Also RC, I would appreciate it if you could explain the thought process behind your checks?
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Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:20 am

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lol.
this is why you have to be lynched.
you are clearly incapable of reevaluating things, or you're scum who knows that your wincon is best served by acting in that way.

Also RC, I would appreciate it if you could explain the thought process behind your checks?


They are crumbed for the record.
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Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:22 am

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I think the Cop check is conclusive and the GS check is inconclusive at this point, aka I believe that there is in fact a scumdoc/traitor that hasn't been outed.
I will out which is which tomorrow.
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Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:23 am

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I really do think Synd and Robster are scum.

So I'm just looking for one scum in the remaining players.

Magna is my best pick atm.
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Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:24 am

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In post 1696, RadiantCowbells wrote:They are crumbed for the record.
I don't think either of them should confuse you.

but I'm lazy ;___;
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