Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[Antihero]

A mother with kids ? Folks like that have a tough time lying.

you...

incredibly sheltered person

[Antihero]

His alignment and the rest of the game state matter a whole lot. In your fantasy Fate+Davsto scumteam world, does it make sense for me to vote him in that manner?

His alignment doesn't matter in relation to your vote.

Yeah, it does. You gave no reasoning for joining the wagon so have an easy hop off whenever you need it.

Would be a vote for distancing purposes later in the game if you're both scum.

fine if youre going to be so dense and hostile and opaque for no apparent reason

VOTE: ygs

Sigh.

i'm still not hearing why the davsto vote was so bad and scummy

[You Got Schooled]

VOTE: Davstro

Ctrl+F Fate the first 7 pages. am disappoint.

Just gonna leave this here for you Anti.

[Antihero]

that tells me nothing

[Tiresias]

I did do a quick skim though and Tire's continued vote one me is incredibly unnerving. I will be providing a reads list when I get back .

Why should I have retracted it?

[Tiresias]

the latest series of kagami posts aren't really helping ease any concerns there.

is nacho back yet? sorry kagami ily but you're really freaking me out. i dont know if im just not SEEING things that give your thoughts town flair or what

o.O

No word from nacho, but I'm pretty sure I'm looking in the right direction, anyway, so it's hard to imagine that I'm lacking town flair.

Re: Davsto, the devil-may-care thing looks artificial to me and I feel like he's spending much more effort commentating than actually pushing his own ideas. The most town-indicative thing there is not intrinsic in his behavior, but is more that I don't like the votes that are/were on him.

[You Got Schooled]

Pre-flip associations blah blah blah

[Tiresias]

blah blah indeed.

[You Got Schooled]

Anti, I think 'it tells me nothing' is the point: fate made a crappy unexplained vote, then backed it up with a fairly decent set of points about the self votes, then moves off dav because he's 'reasonable'. It's a bad vote not necessarily for for it's for, it's a crappy vote for page 7/not rvs.

Or that's my take on it. His later actions have been even weirder. Come chat to me, hostile and opaque is bbt's area

@Dav, you disagreed with our list of lynchable players - I've found 'lynch below this line' lists ever so useful before. I'm not seeing many reads from you: you are iffy on marquis and us, don't think fate is scummy, leaning town on aiden (pretty uncontroversial read at this point). Is that right? If so, why? What's your lynch line looking like at this point? Thoughts on performer?

@Aiden, lemme know when fire's around?

-b

[Antihero]

No word from nacho, but I'm pretty sure I'm looking in the right direction, anyway, so it's hard to imagine that I'm lacking town flair.

oh well

dont i feel foolish now?

[Antihero]

fate made a crappy unexplained vote, then backed it up with a fairly decent set of points about the self votes, then moves off dav because he's 'reasonable'.

yes, this is how conversations go sometimes. the person you suspect changes your mind. why is that scummy IN THIS CASE.

[You Got Schooled]

Because Davsto's response was nowhere near good enough to suddenly make Fate back off. Fate even admitted this but didn't go back to continue the interaction.

Holy Fuck Anti, what are you reading?

[Antihero]

what was not good enough about it? he pointed out inaccuracies in the argument. what was so unspeakably bad?

i also dont see anything about fate "admitting" anything, so apparently i'm reading a different thread than you

[You Got Schooled]

In hindsight I may have backed down too easily

Right here.

[Antihero]

why is everyone being so fucking standoffish to me? is it me? am i doing something to MAKE it like this?

really this clenched anus feel is something i do not do well in

[You Got Schooled]

I'm giving up anyway.

I'm clearly not going to convince you that at least one of Davsto/Fate is scum.

[Antihero]

In hindsight I may have backed down too easily

Right here.

ok thats what youre talking about. i see that.

i mean... i dont really agree w/ that. i would have backed down in fate's position so i guess thats something i dont agree with.

[You Got Schooled]

OK, well for me that whole back and forth with Fate and Davsto was very show offy/scum theatre like. Here is how it went;

Like, Fate presents what I believe was a half decent case against Davsto. Davsto responds in an unsatisfactory way IMO, Fate retracts his entire case and backs off. Davsto then doesn't push Fate for presenting a bad case, and then Fate calls Davsto out for not pushing him after presenting such a bad case.

Immediately after, Fate says that Davsto is 'too reasonable to kill' (strange choice of word) and then Davsto says he thinks Fate is probably town for just accepting his case was bad (even though it wasn't).

Big song and dance but they both end up just lightly town reading each other?

So, yeah. That's where I'm at.

[Antihero]

OK, well for me that whole back and forth with Fate and Davsto was very show offy/scum theatre like. Here is how it went;

Like, Fate presents what I believe was a half decent case against Davsto. Davsto responds in an unsatisfactory way IMO, Fate retracts his entire case and backs off. Davsto then doesn't push Fate for presenting a bad case, and then Fate calls Davsto out for not pushing him after presenting such a bad case.

Immediately after, Fate says that Davsto is 'too reasonable to kill' (strange choice of word) and then Davsto says he thinks Fate is probably town for just accepting his case was bad (even though it wasn't).

Big song and dance but they both end up just lightly town reading each other?

So, yeah. That's where I'm at.

i can maybe see how you think that. i don't agree w/ it b/c i dont agree w/ the basic premise that davsto's response wasn't good.

is this bella? if so, do you have anything on the rest of the playerlist outside of fate and davsto?

[You Got Schooled]

492 was BBT.

[You Got Schooled]

Hey Anti, what can I do for you?

-b

(bbt was just pretending to be reasonable )

[Antihero]

Hey Anti, what can I do for you?

-b

(bbt was just pretending to be reasonable )

do you have anything on the rest of the playerlist outside of fate and davsto?

[You Got Schooled]

Sure.

Honestly, I think you are town, because of your frustration. I'm feeling it too, but for different reasons: no-one's really making a decent push anywhere.

I had an initial gut town read on dnttu, and after chatting to bbt I think I was reading pisskop's arseyness as more scummy than it was. Tier's made some not quite logical points, but I can kinda see a progression in them I think is townie. Plus, his nudge to us about performer voting was actually pretty ++

Performer's posts have made me cringe, tbh. He seems to think a bunch of this playerlist has knowledge about him, though, including you: what've your experiences been?


I can't read fb, but the slot has actually but pressure on people, which can only be a good thing. Kahlan and pro I have literally 0 feelings about

Does that help?

-b

[Antihero]

sc's game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=63704 performer's iso isn't that long of a read.

who's tier?

[Antihero]

oh youre talking about tiresias