Mini 1762: Game Over

[Raskolnikov]

^literally a godfather claim

[Raskolnikov]

FUCK

[Raskolnikov]

why do I only get pagetop when I do that

[Raskolnikov]

The thing is
if you lynch within the high percentage scum not only do you probably get a scum but that flip also helps being confident in the joat claim
if rc was scum lying and another scum is in his innos then the chance for the poe lynch being scum is actually low so it actually flipping scum would for the most part stop that narrative

if you mislynch me and then half of you go into lylo still unsure about your view on it the game's essentially already lost (whatever the decision town has to be unified/all in agreement) because my flip does nothing to verify or discredit it

I wasn't going to say this until tomorrow since there was like 0% chance of me dying as opposed to someone like nino, and in general it's counter productive to show doubt in something when you want other people to vote with it,
but yeah have fun.

[Raskolnikov]

I also think town syndesis would have pushed me way harder both times but it's like she made excuses not to

[Golden Robster]

@Rask

Do you have any games with town!syndesis?

[Raskolnikov]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=64581

[MagnaofIllusion]

The thing is
if you lynch within the high percentage scum not only do you probably get a scum but that flip also helps being confident in the joat claim
if rc was scum lying and another scum is in his innos then the chance for the poe lynch being scum is actually low so it actually flipping scum would for the most part stop that narrative

if you mislynch me and then half of you go into lylo still unsure about your view on it the game's essentially already lost (whatever the decision town has to be unified/all in agreement) because my flip does nothing to verify or discredit it

I wasn't going to say this until tomorrow since there was like 0% chance of me dying as opposed to someone like nino, and in general it's counter productive to show doubt in something when you want other people to vote with it,
but yeah have fun.

The most important point that this post fails to factor is this - if everyone who isn't Rask uses the exact same PoE as her then she is the "High Percentage Scum" for them. And thus a good lynch for the reasoning above for everyone but her. So I'm unsure why fear of not solidifying Radiant's claims should factor into someone's who isn't Rask's decision on whether to vote for Rask today or not.

Any thoughts on this Rask?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I managed to read the kirroha case.

But though, what would be her scumotivation of crumbing a VT when pressured?

WIFOM. It's the only possible motivation - the play that says "Scum would never do this and I did it so I can't be scum" is the only motivation that makes sense. The fact that the narrative has been her hammering "Why would I do that as scum" pretty strongly supports this.

First I'd ask - what's her Town motivation to crumbing VT?

Second I'll ask - this is the only thing you have to say about the entire case? I

Third I'll ask - what do you think of her claiming the play from her slot is Town but the Tojam slot doing essentially the exact same thing was a scum-play?

[Raskolnikov]

The most important point that this post fails to factor is this - if everyone who isn't Rask uses the exact same PoE as her then she is the "High Percentage Scum" for them. And thus a good lynch for the reasoning above for everyone but her. So I'm unsure why fear of not solidifying Radiant's claims should factor into someone's who isn't Rask's decision on whether to vote for Rask today or not.

Any thoughts on this Rask?

Well yeah, obviously you guys aren't in the same position and can't play as I do from my perspective, but I can't really do anything other than explain my own actions and thoughts and let you judge for yourself. To convince you guys using logic that I'm not using myself doesn't make that much sense to me, it's similar to asking a cop to explain his inno/guilty because you don't know he's actually that role.

I mean I could try anyways to build a big case which would say why syn is a good lynch and why I'm town through reasoning rather than me just knowing but it's like a lot of effort so eeeeeeehhh. Just ask me questions its easier.

[kirroha]

Nope. It's always town to crumb your role asap so you can prove yourself later when players dwindle.

My only problem was that I failed to crumb it properly.

MOI you act like WIFOM is some magical thing that all scum aspire towards. No it's not, especially when like in this case it makes no strategic sense. Come on you can't be that misguided.

[kirroha]

You're clearly not reading my posts. I already explained the whole tojam thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

We're not lynching Rask period.

I'm thinking that Imp may be scumdoc here.

[Raskolnikov]

Does scum doctor pass gunsmith check? Does that mean a scum doctor is more like a traitor and doesn't actually kill?

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum doctor passes gunsmith check, yes.
Since my results have been outed anyway, GIF is Cop inno and Implosion is GS inno.

I don't believe there would be both a Godfather and a scumdoc and I feel like both that Implosion was taking advantage of his inno status and also trying to introduce wifom.

Why after all would one of the innos say that there was both a godfather and a scumdoc? It just doesn't feel right to me.

[Syndesis]

The degree to which MoI is misrepping RC in 1706 is confounding.

@GR (1711): You're scum. That's a concrete read! But seriously, no.

@Ras (1720): What kind of logic is that?
(1754): See below. You felt like Moosy.

@MoI (1733): The reason I jumped off Ras in 422 is that I thought they were a PR. Additionally - if I thought there was anyone who would have needed the case, I would have made it, but to me GR is so obvscum that it didn't seem necessary.


I don't have the mental energy for claims calculus right now so I'll deal with the inno stuff later.

[Golden Robster]

You are flailing

[RadiantCowbells]

Robster, what do you think about my points about Implosion?

Syndesis, the same?

[Golden Robster]

Listen

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=64581

Look at this game, and tell me why I don't get the feeling of town!syndesis

[RadiantCowbells]

Aight Robster's just trying to avoid dealing out associatives now.

[implosion]

Scum doctor passes gunsmith check, yes.
Since my results have been outed anyway, GIF is Cop inno and Implosion is GS inno.

I don't believe there would be both a Godfather and a scumdoc and I feel like both that Implosion was taking advantage of his inno status and also trying to introduce wifom.

Why after all would one of the innos say that there was both a godfather and a scumdoc? It just doesn't feel right to me.

You should know that I speculate like this from literally the half of a game that you played with me. I'm not thinking of myself as an inno; i'm trying to figure out what roles would make the setup make sense and how likely gif is to be scum/whether it would be likely that he'd be scum regardless of which inno result he was since you weren't outing which was which yet. I don't know why you're saying "one of the innos." The fact that I have an inno result on me doesn't strongly affect how I'm looking at the game.

But again.

I do this kind of speculation in like every game I play.

RC I really don't see any of your logic for anything this game from the d1 read on bbt to any of the calls you're making today. I'm confident you're town, but I really don't see anything that you're talking about.

MoI also hit the nail on the head re: rask's post. It's completely vapid.

[implosion]

Aight Robster's just trying to avoid dealing out associatives now.

would scum-gr who was scum with me REALLY just not respond to your post for the sake of possibly not giving additional associative tells (hint: there's no way any scum player in their right mind would do this)
or did gr just miss your post because it was posted at literally the exact same minute.

you're tunneling. Really, really hard.

[RadiantCowbells]

yes.

Alright, my lynchpool is implosion & Golden Robster for today.

[implosion]

can someone who rc trusts like
tell him that he's being really stupid right now
because i'm pretty sure he's not going to listen to literally anything i say and this is frustrating.

[implosion]

like, i might be wrong about my reads but about me at least he is being really stupid